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poppy_head said on November 22, 2002 00:52:
now we are off topic.....
vaxjoe said on March 6, 2003 19:06:
stillfar: i understood perfectly i just love teasing u!
i have the same opinion .....so ted boi so far we know that ur bf is like 10years or so older and fat...hehe that doesnt sound very appealing now does it DR Stillfar???
excuse me but i just dont like older guys going after kids grrr
StillFar said on March 6, 2003 19:13:
so you don’t like older guys going for young ones...how old are you Vax...ahh just kidding :)
Well, Ted, Vax and I agree with your mother. Considering that you get a neutral opinion from Nick and myself....
vaxjoe said on March 6, 2003 19:15:
stillfar: how can u say that its rare that a 17y old starts an interesting conversation and then u find many that u wanna start a relationship with them?
makes no sense! but thats just u :p
i, at least go for the ones that are in the same decade as me :p
StillFar said on March 6, 2003 19:22:
Depends on what I want in a relationship. I’m sure you know guys his age that have a crush on you and for those you’re like a god...If I want to have a cute, innocent guy, full of energy, that guy is the perfect solution...
I think I wasn’t expressing myself right, so don’t bite on some words. I guess you got my point.
ted_roxette said on March 6, 2003 19:24:
we have met
parents have met him
he´s a nice guy not as the ones who use young boyd for the sexuality as i think u think ewhhh
vaxjoe said on March 6, 2003 19:26:
I get your point but still for me is not enough having a guy that is cute and looks at me as if im a god...sooner or later i’ll get bored...i need to have someone that i admire also..
Ted dont jump in conclusions so soon...i think danielito :P and i know a bit more about these things
StillFar said on March 6, 2003 19:30:
Totally agree with you, that’s why I NEVER had a younger bf...can I get out of defense now?
Point was that a lot of gays see that different and youth and innocents are in enough for many people to have a fulfilled relationship...
ted_roxette said on March 6, 2003 19:31:
i.m the first guy he really love he had just been used by the other “realtionship” he had
vaxjoe said on March 6, 2003 19:34:
*hugs daniel* hey u know i love u and i just like arguing with u for the sake it...u know why :p
ok ted i hope u do the right thing i hope hes a great guy and i hope that u wont regret this
vaxjoe said on March 6, 2003 19:40:
he already said that, if u look back 1-2 pages somewhere he says “im going on my 1st date tonight”
ted_roxette said on March 6, 2003 19:46:
he is going to be a nurse btw
he dont drink alcohol etc
he just own a few cds ( 10 or so the marie best of cd äntligen hehe)
does anyvone have icq
ted_roxette said on March 6, 2003 19:47:
i had a net “date” b4
just sex no more
my parents figured it ourt and I was outed
they think he ised me but i wanted to test to have sex with a man ( he was 33)
vaxjoe said on March 6, 2003 19:50:
33?! eh ok.
im off work now so i need to log off cause im going home..talk to u all later on or tomorrow
ted_roxette said on March 6, 2003 19:52:
i knew that it just was sex and nothing more but this is
real!!
none who have icq here?
StillFar said on March 6, 2003 19:56:
no ICQ...sorry!
just be careful Ted...and don’t be mad with your mother, she’s looking out for you, you should be thankful for that!
ted_roxette said on March 6, 2003 20:16:
tell me about yourself age came out story
rections of your parents
how they think now
are u single all that u know
StillFar said on March 6, 2003 20:22:
I’m 25, came ’out’ when I was 18. Actually I was just coming out to a friend, after another one,...Didn’t tell me parents before I was 21. At first my mother had some issues with it. Not that she treated me bad, but she just couldn’t really speak about it. A year later she started asking me all kind of questions and now, there’s nothing I couldn’t tell my mother. Yes, I have a boyfriend, since three years. I’m happy and I feel very comfortable being gay, although it doesn’t have the priority in my life it used to have!
ted_roxette said on March 6, 2003 20:51:
I love Mats, he loves me what can stop usÄ?
NOT YOU.
i was the one who was intrested at first who tookm the initative soooo...
mail me at [email protected]
StillFar said on March 7, 2003 20:57:
I didn’t get your last response...you were asking for opinions...who wants to stop you with your boyfriend, certainly not me...I just told you what I think...so did Vax
vaxjoe said on March 7, 2003 21:01:
Im very sad..my best friend is leaving on Saturday...as in going to another country...i met him in July and since then we re almost everyday together...but now his job is done here so hes going back home (usa)
We ve said Goodbye today...i have been crying non stop all day..its funny how u take ppl for granted and then they just go away one day...and u realise how much u love them
Ted : I really cant be bothered with u and ur teen hormones right now! Do what u want! We dont care! Go marry him! whatever!
vaxjoe said on March 7, 2003 21:38:
Im so tired right now Daniel...and i feel old...i wanna go to sleep and not wake up...
LaMan said on March 8, 2003 10:22:
ted roxette
don´t pay too much attention what Vaxjoe and StillFar are talking to you. Don´t let them put you down.
It´s your life. Who are they to tell you what to do?
Besides their comments are a bit funny:
“danielito :P and i know a bit more about these things”
bla bla bla
Roxoholic said on March 8, 2003 22:58:
vaxjoe: I know how you feel, one of my best friends is moving to Sweden (although it´s not so far away) but it still hurts. I´m also in love with him and he´s gonna move to Sweden with his boyfriend. it just kills me. I wanna go to sleep too and never wake up.
Stormkeeper said on March 9, 2003 17:31:
What happened to this topic?
Where is everybody?
How is ted roxette doing? How is his love-life with his new bf?
Roxoholic said on March 9, 2003 17:39:
vaxjoe: I know that feeling. Can´t you go after him?:) Write him tons of letters/sms each day, call him nonstop. Visit him as often as you can ( even though it´s a great distance between USA and greece). That´s what I´m gonna do when Knut (that´s the one I´m in love with) moves.
vaxjoe said on March 9, 2003 17:47:
Roxoholic:im not in love with him though i do love him...hes my best friend...of course i’ll write and maybe visit..but thats a circle thats closed
isnt a bit risky 4u to go after that person since he has a bf?
btw do u have yahoo or msn messenger?
Roxoholic said on March 9, 2003 22:34:
vaxjoe: No, I don´t have a yahoo or a msn messenger.
You have to know the whole story with me and Knut if you want to understand why I´m acting like this. Here goes: Last year he dated one of my best friends (Kristian). I was in love with him at first sight. They broke up, we drifted apart. About three months ago we got in contact again (I´ve never stoped loving him), and I told him how i felt. He said that he had feelings for me when he was dating Kristian but didn´t think that I felt the same. He also said that if the relationship doesn´t work out I´m next (it does sound cheezy, I know). He also told his best friend (who is one of my best friends too) that he still has feelings for me but also have feelings for his boyfriend.
Confused?:)
Stormkeeper said on March 11, 2003 18:24:
I was suggesting this a while back but hardly anyone replied and nobody agreed.
NickNL74 said on March 12, 2003 01:06:
*sticks head around the corner*
How is life here these days.. still hitting on each other as useual? :-)
clerk said on March 12, 2003 14:53:
What orgies?!...Go wash your mouth!...Don’t make me come over and spank you!;)
marcusvandeursen said on March 12, 2003 23:10:
was actually quite shocked tonight to find such a long thread of people getting personal and not such stupidities as can be found in ’on topic’ nowadays. Took quite a while actually to read through this enormous bunch
@coyboyusa: from what i’ve seen not evryone is that bad looking here... such ’incidents’ can only bring here some more intimacy perhaps :o)
@vaxjoe: like that pretty picture of your on the tripod-page... how big would ya like the orgy to be? *loL*
vaxjoe said on March 13, 2003 04:18:
thank u marcus! ;o)
u see coy? im pretty so i can be part of an orgy if i want to (and i have in the past!) :p
coyboyusa said on March 13, 2003 08:49:
orgies also require u be well endowed or can take it in the butt from alot of peopel are you up to that too?
vaxjoe said on March 13, 2003 08:54:
coy why do u always have to ruin everything? we re just joking around...gosh...enough with that bitterness of yours!
purplemedusa said on March 13, 2003 09:03:
I saw that... it must be hard to live with so much moral restraints...
vaxjoe said on March 13, 2003 09:06:
lol i agree..it looks like the next post will be: ” u will all go to hell b/c u re having orgies..orgies are evil”
once again thank god im in europe :p
purplemedusa said on March 13, 2003 09:12:
Yes, European orgies are much better than the Amerian ones... In africa we swing on trees - all smelling of insect repellent.
purplemedusa said on March 13, 2003 09:25:
I’m just pondering over the availablity of orgies in the Vatican? SOmehow I don’t think the Pope would be connected with such a past-time... if there’s any there.
coyboyusa said on March 13, 2003 11:25:
lol i ws being humorous u clows jesus christ lol besides hte ideaof a gay roxette fan orgy i well lol nevermind
as for orgies at the vatican I thought they were called baptisms ? :)
NickNL74 said on March 13, 2003 20:29:
@vaxjoe : At home mostly :-)
Guys.. sometimes you really are disguesting!! ;-)))
Somehow I like it *grin*
vaxjoe said on March 15, 2003 20:36:
Hey i havent been here for 2 days and no new posts?
Get ur butts in! :p
Roxoholic said on March 16, 2003 20:49:
vaxjoe: I don´t have a scanner, so I can´t send you a pic but I look kinda like you, only blond version:)
DaminehGessle said on March 21, 2003 08:48:
Are heterosexuals welcomed here?
I’m a 22 year old girl and very straight. But I can say I cherish Freddie Mercury and I don’t know why. I don’t find him attractive or anything but as I’ve read alot about him, I am very interested in him as a person.
It’s very cool of you to talk to each other here. It was weird reading a few lines but still! Cool!
vaxjoe said on March 21, 2003 08:50:
hi there ...of course...anyone is welcome here..and as u may know gay guys love str8 girls ...
Freddie Mercury was ok ...i only liked his voice though...but i know many women who were crazy bout him..must have been the mustache :p
vaxjoe said on March 22, 2003 12:32:
vivien 3/22/2003 13:51
I think Rickard Engfors is cuter
Whos he? :O
Majdy said on March 22, 2003 13:42:
hey there... I’m not gay but vey curious about what you guys talking in this forum. I have been seing this topic but never entered (maybe).
you know in my country, people still think bad for gay :( it’s really sad. and they got isolated. I think there should be lots of gay here, but they don’t want to admit it, because they scared to what people might think. I do hope oneday, things will get better here from them...
I must admit I used to be one of people who has a bad thought about gay, but since I see Philadelphia (a movie), it changes the way I thought about it, and I start to learn alot about it. Now, I can accept the way they do their life, even want to be friend with them.
Oh, I wish they were a Roxette fans too, so they can join in this topic too.
anyway, have fun, guys. Hope I don’t bother you.
sorry for my poor english.
vaxjoe said on March 22, 2003 13:46:
Majdy: as i said b4 to daminehgessle everybody is welcomed here...and all the people that write in this topic are all Roxette fans too..
Your english is fine btw :o)
LaMan said on March 22, 2003 13:47:
The reason people doesnt accept gays is that subject is new for them and
they dont know how to handle it... they think were weirdos or something...
when you learn to know someone personally that usually changes
at least hope so
Majdy said on March 22, 2003 14:00:
you know, I always said to my friend that I respect the gay people. But then they often laughed at me and think that I’m weird. but never care about what they thought.
The reason most of people here worried getting along with gay, because they are afraid that the gay might seduce them. grrrrr, that makes me really mad. I tell them, that being with gay is just like being with male/female friend. I’m a female and I am not afraid getting along with male. if he like me, while I don’t. I simply said that I don’t like him. I’ll do the same if a gay ask me out. I’ll say the same thing as I said to guy that I don’t like. But people still think I’m crazy.
vaxjoe said on March 22, 2003 14:02:
majdy: well obviously ppl there around u have a long way to go...but your heart is in the right place! ;o)
Majdy said on March 22, 2003 14:23:
:) thanks. it all started with the movie I mention above. really! :)
vaxjoe said on March 22, 2003 14:26:
yeah i think Philadelphia is a very good example on explaining why is unfair not accepting gay ppl
vaxjoe said on March 22, 2003 17:28:
vacth mitheth medutha ath well ...medutha thome timth dithappearth and vacth geth lonely :)
purplemedusa said on March 22, 2003 17:37:
My heart wath hurting tho bad, cauthe-cauthe-cauthe I thought Vacth wath angry at me...
vaxjoe said on March 22, 2003 17:43:
vacth ith never angry with medutha...vacth underthtandth that all need time on their own...but vacth doeth think that medutha needth to take life leth theriouthly tho he wont get hurt tho often
vaxjoe said on March 22, 2003 17:52:
boy that “th” can thertainly become a habit :p anyway the reathon i didnt rethpond to your latht thmth ith that yethterday i ate thomething and it hurt my thtomach tho motht of the day i was athsleep or feeling bad...i wath gonna thmth u though when i wath able to chat...now i cant cauth im at work
purplemedusa said on March 22, 2003 18:28:
THorry to hear that, angel! IT’th okay... wath bloody buthy today... went thopping/ made home made thoup, did thome workieth for varthity, thtood in the rain... & mailed u... now I’m tired... ON A BLOODY THATURDAY NIGHT!... I’m pathetic! ... but then again, it’th the firtht weekend I have been at home in a while!
vivien said on March 24, 2003 13:24:
@vaxjoe
Rickard Engfors is a swedish drag queen.
He is very cute.
(What a pity for me that he is gay...I like guys in dress.)
When Carola said that gays ´d be cured by pray he made a cover of a song of hers with this title”I cure you with pray.”
He was dressed as Carola but he was much cuter than her and his ass is not so big either, than Carolas....I loved it!
Stormkeeper said on March 24, 2003 13:47:
Carola said that?!?
Shes more stupid than I expected. I know she´s religious but anyway... hmmmm.
Carola sucks.
vivien said on March 24, 2003 13:58:
Yes, Carola is stupid, she said that being gay is not normal , but they can be cured by pray.
Jonas Gardell (famous swedish gay actor , author and more ) said that he hopes that Carola can be cured too.
I agree.
coyboyusa said on March 24, 2003 14:58:
the thing is alot of older fags go after the younger ones cause it makes them feel better about themselves it very rarely leades to a meaningful relationship
ted_rox said on March 25, 2003 07:37:
hrrm yeah it coulöd be any reason...
do u think ppl can be coured in pray...
dont think so!!
carbon_boy said on March 25, 2003 09:45:
Hi guys and gals.....
Mith Medutha, thtop lithping.... its driving me insane! LOL! Id love to get an email as well sometime... ;o( Miss dem terribly.... nice to have been sms’ing eachother constantly the last couple of days tho :oD
I think Majdy mentioned Philidelphia as her change of heart movie towards gay ppl. Well, miss M, here are some more (all my favourites...hehehehehe) for you if you’re interested - and any/everyone else too:
Beautiful thing
Get Real
The Birdcage (my fave)
Boys don’t cry
The Broken hearts club
Love! valour! compassion!
Bent
I cant think of more now.....overworked, tired, etc...sorry :o
Cheers
vaxjoe said on March 25, 2003 09:53:
edge of seventeen (good one)
also one french i so forgot the title
carbon_boy said on March 25, 2003 10:33:
Sounds like a good one - checked it up - will have to rent it now! :o)
vaxjoe said on March 25, 2003 10:36:
also Finn Bar...its not exactly gay but it has “gay” hints and atmosphere..its bout two best friends, one gets lost and the other sets off to find him..u can see lot of Ireland-Sweden-Finalnd in it :o)
Stormkeeper said on March 25, 2003 15:41:
When Night Is Falling from 1995, Canadian cute movie. Love it.
coyboyusa said on March 25, 2003 22:03:
Beautiful thing
Get Real
The Birdcage (my fave)
Boys don’t cry
The Broken hearts club
Love! valour! compassion!
Bent
hmm lets asdd to this pretty good list
must see gay movies
boys on the side
jeffrey
trick
the matthew sheppard story
love and remains
and the band played on
angles in america
the priest
stonewall: the uprising
too wong foo thanks for everything julie newmar
priscilla queen of the desert
my own private idaho
theres so many i just added a few lets start a list so some people in here can get a bit of an education
btw its a fact that a good 80% of men who do drag are heterosexual :)
lol and I did drag once or twice it was fun to get all the str8 boys to molest me lol
carbon_boy said on March 26, 2003 06:10:
Thats a great list coyboy! Ive seen all those movies, and they’re stunning.....
Any1 else wanna add some more?
Cheers
marcusvandeursen said on March 26, 2003 09:29:
anyone who seen Maybe Maybe Not (Der bewegte Mann), a German movie with Til Schweiger?
coyboyusa said on March 26, 2003 14:38:
my beautiful laundrette is another great story about interracial gay relationship between an indian boy and a british boy :)
purplemedusa said on March 26, 2003 19:51:
Okay... so we’ve got:
Beautiful thing
Get Real
The Birdcage (my fave)
Boys don’t cry
The Broken hearts club
Love! valour! compassion!
Bent
boys on the side
jeffrey
trick
the matthew sheppard story
love and remains
and the band played on
angles in america
the priest
stonewall: the uprising
too wong foo thanks for everything julie newmar
priscilla queen of the desert
my own private idaho
Maybe Maybe Not (Der bewegte Mann)
my beautiful laundrette
Here’s a couple more...
Bedrooms and hallways
Turkish Bath (Haman) - must b my fav!!
The Talented Mr. Ripley
Flawless
The Hanging garden
As Good As It Gets
Head-on
But I Was a Cheerleader
The Opposite of Sex
Beauty
IF these walls could talk2
Chasing Amy
I Think i Do
In and Out
Get Real
Love is the Devil
Gods and Monsters
Johns
Go
Happy Texas
Next best thing (With Darling Madonna!!)
My Best Friend’s Wedding
The Object of My Affection
The Rockey Horror Picture Show (Who can forget this one?)
THats the couple I’ve seen & remembered the titles to.
vaxjoe said on March 26, 2003 20:16:
*kisses back*
btw *drums*
today i got THE POP HITS limited edition!
yay!
vaxjoe said on March 26, 2003 20:20:
OMG they stole your piece! And in the end they say “Thanks Belinda”
WTF?? Contact our admin!!! babes u should have posted this directly on the front page!!! big mistake!
purplemedusa said on March 26, 2003 20:25:
SO u got your POP HITS!! GR8!! I will probs get mine next week sometime as it in the post from Sweden (SA doesnt have the 2cd).
Beeen a lovely day today... sunny, with a slight breaze! Told ya, 2 days after the storm everything returns back to normal... with no trace of any rain!
I need a smoke... *runs outside*
carbon_boy said on March 27, 2003 11:49:
Have a look at this: http://www.aboutgaymovies.info/List.htm
Find out more about those movies listed above.... and there are tons more movies in their list 2....very cool.
Cheers
Majdy said on March 30, 2003 23:48:
@carbon boy and everyone: I saw Boys Don’t Cry too :) it was one of may fav movie too. Hilary Swank was great. I don’t know know how many times I saw that movie, but still want to see that over and over again.
anyway, thank you so much for telling me about the other movies. I’d like to see those too. I think I learnt alot from the movie.
well, hope you guys have fun and won’t mind when I sneak here all the time :)
love u all!
Majdy
Majdy said on March 30, 2003 23:50:
you know sometimes I have a dream that oneday I’ll stand on the stage and tell to everyone in my country that I support the gay marriage and they can also adopt child too. I bet then they will kick me out from my country :) but it’s okay to have a dream, doesn’t it?
Stormkeeper said on April 1, 2003 20:17:
purplemedusa said on April 2, 2003 08:39:
by Eurythmics?
Love the song - used to big on my playlist!!
purplemedusa said on April 2, 2003 08:47:
BTW... just got this very interesting article!
Gay US Marine refuses to fight
“My moral development has also been largely effected by the fact that I’m homosexual,” Lance Cpl. Stephen Funk said in his application for conscientious objector status.
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Mary Ellen Peterson, 365Gay.com | April 2, 2003
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SAN JOSE, CALIFORNIA — A 20-year-old gay Marine Corps reservist is seeking conscientious objector status. Lance Cpl. Stephen Funk turned himself in to military authorities in San Jose today. Outside the Marine Corps reserve center Funk told a small crowd of supporters that all wars are immoral.
“The military coerces people into killing,” he said.
“I may not be a hero but I know it takes courage to disobey.”
Funk then changed into fatigues walked through the reserve center gate, accompanied by his mother and a younger sister.
Funk was AWOL for more than a month while he prepared his application for a conscientious objector discharge.
“My moral development has also been largely effected by the fact that I’m homosexual,” Funk said in his application.
“I believe that as a gay man, someone who is misunderstood by much of the general population, I have a great deal of experience with hatred and oppression. When someone is thrust into a situation of hate and oppression because of factors they have no control over, I believe they either react with hatred back, because they’ve experienced it, or they learn not to be that way towards others. I have adopted the latter reaction and stand with the oppressed people of the world who know that hate and oppression do not solve any problems.”
Capt. Patrick O’Rourke, a Marine Corps spokesperson, said that Funk would be required to serve a form of restricted duty at the center, but he will be allowed to go home at the end of each day, while officials determined how he should be punished for failing to report for duty when his reserve company was given activation orders last month.
O’Rourke also said military authorities will follow established procedures for considering Funk’s application for a conscientious objector discharge.
O’Rourke said that an applicant must submit a detailed letter explaining how his or her feelings have changed since joining the armed forces. Then there are interviews with a military chaplain, a psychiatrist and an investigating officer, with a final decision made by top military commanders.
In his application Funk said ” I couldn’t ’come out’ in boot camp, but everyone pretty much knew that I was gay, and many hated me for it. The military cultivates antigay sentiment among its enlisted, but I also believe it perpetuates feelings of hatred against all that are different either culturally, ethnically, or otherwise. I think that is the way the military dehumanizes the enemy (whomever that my be) so that its members won’t be adverse to killing them.
“Coming to that realization about war disgusted me and made me completely opposed to military action.”
Other members of the San Jose-based 1st Beach & Terminal Operations Company have been sent to Camp Pendleton in San Diego and are scheduled to go overseas from there.
carbon_boy said on April 2, 2003 09:32:
I always liked army lads..... grrrr........hehehehehe ;o)
How u miss Medusa?!
purplemedusa said on April 2, 2003 09:37:
Great!!! Had a good couple o’ coffles this morn & buzzing on the keyboard... poor UCT servers!!! However it seems like my nicotine levels are running low! Bollocks! BTW... did u whatch Ab Fab last night? Ol’ Pats had her face paralyzed... she’s such a screem!
carbon_boy said on April 2, 2003 09:43:
HUH?! When where?!!!! On what!? Eks nou skoon op die edge van my seat!!! BTW, ekt opgehou rook - van M’dag af.....
PS: We canjust as well email.....LOL!
purplemedusa said on April 2, 2003 09:47:
Oh sweet ’Ro... AB Fab’s on BBC Prime Tuesday nights @ 9:05 followed by Ruby’s Hot Wax!!
Gosh Sweety, how could you join the non-smoking lot? They’re all so anal!
carbon_boy said on April 2, 2003 09:51:
Oh god, I’ll have to get the brother to tape it for me from now on....
I have to stop.... jy weet mos ek het so ’n obsessie oor my lyf - liefling, eks so maer ek val al deur my eie hol! LOL! So, now Im hitting the gym, eating so much that Ive put on almost 2kgs in 2 days, and Ive quit smoking: als in die naam van ’n fab lyf!!!
Mar, glo my, as soon as I have what I want, dan sal ek weer my boxie B&H Menthols koop....hehehehe.... moet dit nettie vir die anner helfte sê nie! xx
purplemedusa said on April 2, 2003 09:59:
Funny u should mention it... I had to quit the MEnthols as well... The GP told me it i don’t I’ll end up asmatic!!! So now in bloody Special Mild... & craving a menthol!!
No, Ro... not the gym!!! YOu’re a real sell-out!
carbon_boy said on April 2, 2003 10:06:
WHATEVA! Ek, ’n sellout?! Sies pop! Jy weet mos ek sallie! Ek wil net soos Chris Klein lyk - verder gee ek nie om nie.... ek het ’n stunning personality, nout ek net die lyf ook nodig .... hehehehehe..... ;oP
purplemedusa said on April 2, 2003 10:13:
LOL, I know sweet ’Ro!! What one wouldn’t do for the beloved...I wouldn’t know, as my track record shows that I do not take shit from ’em... but then again they were never ’right’ for me... whatever that may mean...
carbon_boy said on April 2, 2003 10:17:
Ag pop, kyk, die man is baie happy met hoe ek nou lyk, but 4 fux sake! Im not! Those years of working 24/7 at technikon took its toll.... jy weet mos..... ek wil nie beach toe meer nie, i dont wanna go to poolparties, etc. How sad - ek weet. But Im changing. Thank the pope. And I actually feel better! Glo dit of nie....
purplemedusa said on April 2, 2003 10:21:
Bless your cotton socks that he’s happy with u... very few decent men around (Well not in SOuth African anyways)! How is he doing, btw?
Oh another BTW... I’m going to JHB on the 13th... might just pop around... will know a bit closer 2 the time!
carbon_boy said on April 2, 2003 10:27:
Popping in?! Whatever! Ek ken al daai een! LOL! U know u’re more than welcome! Plz do! Btw, wat hetr gebeur met jou liefdeslewe? Jy’s baie stil as dit daarby kom.....
purplemedusa said on April 2, 2003 10:32:
LOL... I will try!!!
Lovelife *blush & look around*... dont really know! Lets just say my bed’s terrably empty... however there’s a little sunlight in my life...
carbon_boy said on April 2, 2003 10:32:
O jirre, ek’s skoon finished! LOL! “but u re busy with monsieur carbone.” Heheheahahahaha!!!
carbon_boy said on April 2, 2003 10:35:
Ag bokkie, jy’s nog jonk en vol woema! Dont let it get u down...... btw, have u heard the song: “Your body is a wonderland” by John Mayer? Stunning..... listening to it now....
carbon_boy said on April 2, 2003 10:48:
Jeez, Im on i-banking for 2mins and then we have a moerse fight in the room! Sjoe..... what the hell?!
purplemedusa said on April 2, 2003 10:54:
Now-now guys... please we’re all adults here!! Once again... a misunderstanding!!
carbon_boy said on April 2, 2003 13:06:
Rick, jy moet net sê of ek dié teef moet donner! Wat de fok gan aan? Hy klink vir my na ’n regte screaming queen! Oooh, jirre. Wag, lat ek werk....
coyboyusa said on April 2, 2003 13:57:
well i hope he was planning to stay in the millitary cause in america if you come out you get discharged from the millitary ..one of our few surviving backwards policies :)
Stormkeeper said on April 2, 2003 21:07:
Actor-Singer Leslie Cheung Commits Suicide in Hong Kong
Actor Leslie Cheung, 46, Dies
(AP) - Leslie Cheung Kwok-wing, a pop singer and actor who played a homosexual Chinese opera singer who commits suicide in the Oscar-nominated “Farewell My Concubine,” has died after leaping from a hotel. He was 46. Cheung’s roles as openly gay characters set him apart from other Chinese film stars, and parallels to his tragic part in “Concubine” were inescapable after he plunged to his death Tuesday.
purplemedusa said on April 3, 2003 07:26:
@ Carbon; Nee Pop, Vax is such a honey... ek is jammer as daar kak was... maar it’s the story of my life... altyd issues!! Ek wil my net dood lag oor die situasie en jou lojaliteit - dankie angel!!... shame en dan bel hy my nog in die middel van die nag om verskoning te vra!! So cute! PS, hy beplan om te kom kuier in laat mei!! Kannie waggie!
vaxjoe said on April 3, 2003 19:16:
Carbon at least u had have done it in english IF u had the guts!
purplemedusa said on April 3, 2003 20:27:
Hey Vax... still on the defence?
*wonders if vax changed his hair color*
“please don’t let it be blond!”“please don’t let it be blond!”“please don’t let”please don’t let it be blond!” it be blond!”“please don’t let it be blond!”“please don’t let it be blond!”“please don’t let it be blond!”“please don’t let it be blond!”“please don’t let it be blond!”“please don’t let it be blond!”“please don’t let it be blond!”“please don’t let it be blond!”“please don’t let it be blond!”
vaxjoe said on April 3, 2003 20:30:
no cause my hair were too black to become blonde at once so now its dark red highlights...a metallic colour
purplemedusa said on April 3, 2003 20:35:
shoe! (what a relief!!) Was a little bit worried there, for a second! Blond would not fit you at all + I like ur dark hair!!
PS... was thinking of u aaaallllllllll day!!!
vaxjoe said on April 3, 2003 20:38:
no actually i had blonde hair last summer and by surprise were great...not everything blonde, highlights with dark roots a strange mix...my h-dresser adores me and wouldnt let me do anything that wouldnt suit...
I was thinking of u too! and your sox :p
purplemedusa said on April 3, 2003 20:46:
LOL 2 sox... had a match (bblack) pair on today... back to being organized!!
vaxjoe said on April 3, 2003 20:55:
still raining for 3 days now :(
on tv they have beauty contest for male foreigners yay! lol
vaxjoe said on April 3, 2003 21:00:
no now they have the 1st appearence with jeans ...next is with swimming suits...not many blondes :( too many albanians, arab-esque ppl (not my style) the guy from poland was cute! :p
vaxjoe said on April 9, 2003 07:12:
hi babes im doing hmm ok ...sorry bout last time but when i noticed ur post u were gone...well im currently broke thats why no sms no chatting etc
:(
but i always think of u angel :D
purplemedusa said on April 9, 2003 07:23:
Shame Angel, I know that these mid-month days does seem to be financially tough... at the moment everything in my life resembles an abortion... have tons of work... tons of work that has not been handed in (iuw, late with penalties haging over them)... an exam for this afternoon which I haven’t studied for... 4 cd’s (roxette) due in the post but none has arrived... I need to go shopping for my holiday (clothes, bulk cigarettes etc) and just don’t have the time... anyways, the week must just get to a fucking end! (Oh shit... I forgot to watch Ab Fab on BCCprime last night!!!) ... Atleast ur still talking 2 me (LOL)
vaxjoe said on April 9, 2003 07:51:
same here..bills bills...bills :( i wanted to go home for easter but i guess i’ll stay here to save ...i hate being broke...days seem neverending!
purplemedusa said on April 9, 2003 07:58:
Okay, I’m going to be resonsable & leave you now... ot to go and study for that exam - and it has to be a bloody philosophy one 2!!
Keep well & be good (txt u later)... many kissesxxxx
purplemedusa said on April 9, 2003 11:04:
Fun? It was absolute torture... there i was sitting amongst a 1000 people cramming 6 1/2 pages on the meaning of words in a time span of 3/4 of a hour. Hardly anyone’s idea of fun... but thanks anyway.
Anybody got headache tablets in here?
purplemedusa said on April 9, 2003 11:30:
Amazing, Grace
How on earth did Will and Grace, a sitcom with such overtly gay characters, manage to win over middle America?
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Rupert Smith, The Guardian | April 7, 2003
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Never underestimate the power of sitcom. On October 12 1998, the fourth episode of NBC’s new show Will & Grace was broadcast for the first time - a fluffy story about the Manhattan gay crowd and their interior-designer girlfriends. On the same day, 21-year-old student Matthew Shepard died after a coma, the result of being tied to a fence and pistol-whipped by gay-bashing robbers in Laramie, Wyoming.
Four-and-a-half years on, Will & Grace is in its sixth series, and it has become as much part of the American TV landscape as Friends. And it is as popular in Wyoming as it is in New York City. It’s tempting to believe that, if Matthew Shepard had met his killers in the same smalltown bar today, they might have been Will & Grace fans, and more inclined to buy him a drink and listen to his repartee than to beat him to death.
Of course this is naïve, but nevertheless it is true that no TV show has ever served up such a palatable version of homosexuality as Will & Grace. It’s been criticised for being too safe (the gay characters are cute but sexless) and dishonest (they really love their girlfriends), but whatever its tactics, they have worked. Mainstream Americans welcome out gay men into their homes where once they would have protested to the network until advertisers withdrew their support and the show folded. They’ve been won over, not by confrontation, not by politics, but by stealth.
So how did it happen? The answer is that it places its liberal content in the most conservative of forms. It’s a sitcom in the grand tradition: Will & Grace are Ricky and Lucy, while Jack and Karen are Fred and Ethel. Debra Messing (Grace) even looks and acts like Lucille Ball, all mugging and red hair. The acting is often slapstick; the dialogue is spiked with the sharpest one-liners. The fact that the boys are gay doesn’t push the envelope that far; sitcom couples always had separate beds in any case.
Nothing about Will & Grace is difficult or threatening: everyone is well scrubbed, they live in beautiful apartments, they have good jobs and wear gorgeous clothes. Sexual dalliances, be they hetero or homo, never threaten the central boy-girl relationships; it’s a world where friendship matters more than sex. Everyone’s looking for love, occasionally finding it, always losing it and settling for companionship. It’s like The Wizard of Oz: you can have a great time over the rainbow, but at the end of the day there’s no place like home.
And yet the fact remains that Will and Jack are gay, they do fancy men, and they do have offscreen sex. When the show started back in 1998, Will (Eric McCormack) was recovering from a split with his long-term partner Michael, and embarked on a period of celibacy. A celibate gay man, especially one as good-looking as McCormack, would be welcome in any home.
Jack (Sean Hayes), his flighty friend, was too camp to represent any real sexual threat; here was a neutered tom who would never spray or sniff.
If the show had stayed there, it could have been written off as a cop-out, a sitcom that used homosexuality as a gimmick but which, at heart, was as conservative as a Republican rally. But over the years, Will started to have boy-friends; they never kissed, but they definitely dated. Jack started lusting after men he met in galleries and bars; at one point, he nearly tricked with his own father (played by Perry King). Will got a serious lover, Matt (bona fide TV star Patrick Dempsey), who confronted issues of coming out at work. And the show developed a canny self-awareness, addressing its own limitations with a knowing nod to its more radical competition. In the second series, Will and Jack picketed a TV station for refusing to show a same-sex kiss on screen; it was a cute way of acknowledging - and criticising - the constraints placed on the show by NBC.
How it wormed its way into the hearts of Middle America without alienating the core fans on the coast is a miracle of checks and balances.
Fans in Wyoming may have been reassured by the fact that Will & Grace really love each other - so much, in fact, that by series four they were planning to have a child together. Jack has been tamed and softened; he has a son, and spends most of his time flirting with Karen. This may dismay gay viewers, who look to Will and Jack for a lead - and don’t get it. But for every disappointment, there’s a crumb of compensation. The guest stars are aimed straight at the gay heartland: Joan Collins, Cher and Sandra Bernhard in the second series, Ellen DeGeneres and Matt Damon (as a gay character) since. Madonna is about to make her appearance in May; there have been rumours that Justin Timberlake will follow suit.
Will & Grace is a litmus test for attitudes in the US - and in the UK, where it has become a bona fide hit for Channel 4, which starts showing the third series (2000-2001) later this month. Much has changed in five years, not least because of the publicity surrounding cases like the killing of Matthew Shepard. Let other shows (Six Feet Under, Queer As Folk) break down prejudice and misconceptions; Will and Grace comes in behind the pioneers and mops up the newly enlightened audiences. It’s not so long ago that Ellen DeGeneres scuppered her TV career by coming out, and it’ll be a long time before we see a mainstream sitcom by, about and starring gay people. Will and Grace is a compromise. It offers one-liners instead of politics, friendship rather than sex, appeasement rather than confrontation - and it works. It’s like the Cosby Show: a step towards integration, a step away from lynching.
When Will & Grace started out, Eric McCormack expressed his relief that gay viewers had accepted him as a straight actor playing gay, and assured them that the show’s tactic was to win over the masses before hitting them with a more challenging agenda. You could argue that they haven’t yet done enough to justify those claims, and that the aren’t-we-hilarious banter between the characters (particularly Jack and Karen) is a way of distracting attention from an ideological vacuum at the show’s heart. But then again, any comedy which presents a world in which everyone gets along, and which injects a bit of old-fashioned gay smart-alec humour into prime-time schedules, can only be a good thing. And, after all, things could be so much worse. Gimme Gimme Gimme. There. I’ve said it.
The new series of Will & Grace is starting soon
theedge said on April 11, 2003 16:10:
Vaxjoe, JohnUK21 ... Hello you all! Here´s another queer, this time, from MAdrid. Nice to see you, again, ´cos it´s almost one year without writting.
Let´s make a big community! 28J is getting closer...
A hug
ATLTK said on April 16, 2003 11:46:
what wwill u do for the easter?
i.ll spend the easter with my boyfriend in Linköpimng..
i.-m ted_roxette
Marc said on April 16, 2003 14:58:
Hello everybody! I’m not new on the forum, but this is first time that I’m replying to this topic. I’m gay, and I’m glad that I can discuss with other gay Roxette fans.
theedge said on April 16, 2003 15:28:
ok Marc, you´re wellcome, and happy to be proud. Has to hold the head high. A hug
coyboyusa said on April 17, 2003 16:16:
nice article about will and grace up there I guess...i love the show...isn’t this topic getting a bit too long time to start a second one?
Marc said on April 18, 2003 18:25:
Hey! Thanx for making me welcome. It’s not very easy for me because it’s the first time I’m talking about my sexuality. There’s only one person who knows about it. And it is my boyfriend. But it seems he wants to leave me, and I’m very sad :-(
vaxjoe said on April 20, 2003 03:16:
@Marc: why do u think he wants to leave u? The one think i can tell u is that in our gayworld u can count MORE on friends than bfs :o)
theedge said on April 20, 2003 14:56:
Yes, you don´t have to be sad at all, it all happens all the time, specially in our “gayworld”. And I´m totally agree with vax: count with your friends and not with your bf´s. And I add something: If you´ve got a really good just friend, don´t try something more, surelly you´ll loose him as a bf and as a friend.
But don´t be sad, gayroxworld 24/7 at your service, you can count on us.
A hug
Marc said on April 21, 2003 14:26:
Hey, thank you for an advice. You are right, but the thing is more complicated. You see, he lives in another country. And I totally understand that relations like that cannot work. But I’m sad because I think I’m loosing him both as a boyfriend and as a friend.
theedge said on April 21, 2003 15:24:
But Marc, don´t worry, there´s so much to come. And let´s face it: it could work, no way, I think it´s impossible. Soon you´ll find new friends and a boyfriend, closer to you
coyboyusa said on April 23, 2003 11:46:
more proof that very little has changed
WASHINGTON (April 23) - Rick Santorum, the Senate’s third-ranked Republican who is under fire from gay-rights groups and Democrats, says he has ”no problem with homosexuality - I have a problem with homosexual acts.”
In a wide-ranging interview with The Associated Press two weeks ago, Santorum, R-Pa., said he believes homosexual acts are a threat to the American family. He drew criticism from gays and Democrats after parts of the interview - during which he compared homosexuality to bigamy, polygamy, incest and adultery - were published Monday.
”I have no problem with homosexuality - I have a problem with homosexual acts, as I would with acts of other, what I would consider to be, acts outside of traditional heterosexual relationships,” Santorum said during an interview taped April 7 in his Senate office.
”And that includes a variety of different acts, not just homosexual,” he said. ”I have nothing, absolutely nothing against anyone who’s homosexual. If that’s their orientation, then I accept that. And I have no problem with someone who has other orientations. The question is, do you act upon those orientations? So it’s not the person, it’s the person’s actions. And you have to separate the person from their actions.”
Given a chance to clarify his comments before the story was published, Santorum said: ”I can’t deny that I said it, and I can’t deny that’s how I feel.”
The interview lasted more than an hour and covered a range of topics.
Democrats and gay-rights groups, in Washington and Pennsylvania, called on GOP leaders to remove Santorum from the Senate leadership after the interview was published.
But Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tenn., said, ”Rick is a consistent voice for inclusion and compassion in the Republican Party and in the Senate, and to suggest otherwise is just politics.”
Conservative Republicans, including former presidential candidate Gary Bauer, rallied to Santorum’s defense.
”I think that while some elites may be upset by those comments, they’re pretty much in the mainstream of where most of the country is,” Bauer said.
During Santorum’s interview with the AP, he brought up a pending Supreme Court case over a Texas sodomy law within the context of his discussion on homosexual acts.
”If the Supreme Court says that you have the right to consensual sex within your home, then you have the right to bigamy, you have the right to polygamy, you have the right to incest, you have the right to adultery. You have the right to anything.”
On Tuesday, Santorum’s office released a statement to underscore that those comments were made in the context of the court case.
”My discussion with The Associated Press was about the Supreme Court privacy case, the constitutional right to privacy in general, and in context of the impact on the family,” Santorum said in the statement. ”I am a firm believer that all are equal under the Constitution. My comments should not be misconstrued in any way as a statement on individual lifestyles.”
Santorum also criticized, during the April 7 interview, what he called ”a whole feminist movement that’s built around the fact that fathers are unnecessary.” He answered ”absolutely” when asked if liberalism takes power away from the family.
”The basic liberal philosophy is materialistic, is relativistic, to the point of, you’ve got candidates for president saying we should condone different types of marriage,” Santorum said. ”That is, to me, the death knell of the American family.”
vaxjoe said on April 23, 2003 11:49:
{he has ”no problem with homosexuality - I have a problem with homosexual acts.”}
can u explain that???
coyboyusa said on April 23, 2003 12:45:
in other words he’s fine with gay peopel as long as they don’t have sex or be intimate with each other...what a hypocrite
vaxjoe said on April 23, 2003 12:52:
and this kind of person is actually in politics elected by ppl?
:( sad
theedge said on April 23, 2003 14:38:
Fuck him! He´s in need and don´t have better things to do than saying gays are not natural. We all were worn from the same place, we all want sex and, obviousy, we all feel the love. Hypocrit, surely he puts her wife´s intimate clothes...
coyboyusa said on April 23, 2003 20:02:
oh btw melissa etheridge is engaged to her girlfriend to eb married
theedge said on May 16, 2003 08:00:
well done. Don´t worry, june 28th is getting closer, and those days, the pride week, this forum will be very very hot, updating every 20 seconds... let´s see.
A hug 4all
coyboyusa said on May 16, 2003 15:27:
wow finally this thread made it back up the page :)
we really should petition for our own thread forum from lars :)
clerk said on May 17, 2003 10:43:
I a few weeks I’ll be in London for a few days, any advice on where to go?! And I’m not talking about the British Museum here..!:)
coyboyusa said on May 17, 2003 16:04:
ugh more proof nothing has changed
thurdsay a 15 yr old girl was stabbed to death after she said she was a lesbian and turned down the sexual advances of 2 men
i can’t believe people aren’t more outraged
coyboyusa said on May 18, 2003 18:26:
it happpened thursday in a town caled newark 3 tows away from where i live
Stormkeeper said on May 20, 2003 09:21:
clerk I am not familiar with gay london but you may find these links useful (hope so)
clerk said on July 15, 2003 06:58:
Did we almost forget this one, or what?
Anyway just wanna say hi to everyone! Where are you guys?
@Roxlad I see you’re back again! Where have you been? How are you?
@Storm How are things up north?
Jud (moderator) said on July 15, 2003 07:04:
sigh. What do these people who thing the answer is violence and killing somebody have in their brains? Well, if they can really be called “people” Guess not :(
I always think of “scarecrow”, Melissa’s song, when such stuff happens :(
Stormkeeper said on July 15, 2003 21:23:
Hi Clerk
nice to see u - what a surprise-.
Funny I´ve been thinking about this topic too but people come and go so...
I am fine, thanks. The summer has been quite cool and rainy here until this week :p I don´t mind cuz I dont like heat that much.
Did you have Pride in Holland in June?
I hope you´re happy.
Storm
clerk said on July 16, 2003 06:48:
Pride is at the end of july/beginning of august here,
so the party still has to come!!! Can’t wait!!
And I am happy, thanx for asking!
btw London was one big party, you should go there!
JohnUK21 said on July 16, 2003 09:11:
Hey Clerk & Stormkeeper!
How you guys doing?! I think us gay guys need our own forum!!
Roxoholic said on July 16, 2003 15:11:
Hi! I haven´t been here for a while, sorry about that.
How is everybody doing?
I hope you all enjoy this summer. You guys deserve it!
coyboyusa said on July 17, 2003 12:08:
wow the topic is back..what does anyone think of that show queer eye for the straight guy. I thought it was really hoprrible it made all gay guys look like women...anyone?
Nox1983 said on July 17, 2003 14:18:
hi!
i´m gay also, i´m 20 years old, and my boyfriend 39, we live together since 2 years ago...
Nox
Stockholm-Sweden.
Stormkeeper said on July 17, 2003 17:12:
welcome Nox and hello :)
coyboy, I only know a name ‘queer eye for the straight guy‘, haven´t seen it.
clerk said on July 21, 2003 09:39:
Nice to see some fresh faces in here, welcome!
Is anybody attending the Pride in Amsterdam?
btw Robbie Williams looked hot during his concert!!:)
I was in the front row...of course!! mmm...
clerk said on July 21, 2003 11:32:
I believe it starts at july 28th till august 2nd.
I’ve got no idea what I’m going to do, will see.
Probably get some tickets for some great party!:)
Can’t wait...
ATLTK said on July 22, 2003 13:51:
nox@ i.d like to talk to ii.m gay myself and my 17years old and my boyfriend is 28.
do u and your boyfriend come from the same town?
Nox1983 said on July 23, 2003 15:51:
@ATLTK: We are from Chile, but we are living in Sweden, my boyfriend works here and i´m his asistent :-D
@clerk: in August my boyfriend will be in NL for one week..i dont know wath city, but he was in your country many years ago working but just for one or two days...
LOL!!!!
roxlad said on July 23, 2003 18:03:
Hi everybody!!!!!!!
I need an advice.... last week when I got out from work, my dad came to pick me up with his car. I have no car and I go to Rome everyday by train...
Well, we decided to have a coffee before going back to the city I live in (40km away from Rome).
As we entered the bar I noticed a very good-looking boy and I felt something strange... I had a feeling I can’t describe.... anyway I ordered my coffee and we (me and the barman) exchanged many looks... I’m not sure he’s gay but I’m always thinking about him....
I went back to the bar other times... same thing.
Now the problem is... how can I tell him if I can only go there when my dad’s picking me up?
Also... there’s always a lot of people there and he’s very busy... I tried to give him a note but it’s not easy with my dad around (not knowing what his reaction could be) and also with all that people looking at me......
What would you do?
ATLTK said on July 23, 2003 20:47:
me and my bf are very happy
we are still yogether even if he´28.......
I know ppl here who thoght that it never should work but it did
Nox1983 said on July 24, 2003 06:27:
roxlad:
talk with him...
and try to know if he is gay...and try to go there alone...
lol
Nox1983 said on July 24, 2003 06:35:
ATLTK:
i´m agree with you, the people seem to be envious when you are young and you get what you need of an adult person, and an adult get what need of a younger...
Nox1983 said on July 24, 2003 07:04:
och du kan spanska...toppen!
jag har tagit en kurs i studjeframiandet for en månad och en annan i folkuniversitetet for en månad oxå, jag tycker att det är en jätteroligt språk men lite svårt att lära sig...Och jag tycker att är det skönt att prata svenska här i TDR, jag prata bara spanska hela dagen, jag är inte så bra med svenska eller engelska...men det har varit roligt att bo här i Sverige...
clerk said on July 24, 2003 08:50:
@ roxlad Is there any way you can get to the bar alone? I mean, can you get there when you should go by train, or can you only reach it by car?
You can go by train and visit the bar, try to figure out if the guy is interested.
Or ask your dad to pick you up at the bar, so that you can spent some time alone there.
But then again, if you can only reach this bar by car.......
@Nox I don’t get it, my swedish is not that good;) Engels a.u.b.
Nox1983 said on July 24, 2003 10:01:
@clerk:
I spoke about two places where I studied swedish a pair of months... and that is a very funny language for me... :-D
theedge said on July 24, 2003 10:08:
Nox, así q eres chileno! Y viviendo en suecia! Joder q suerte. Pues aqui tienes otro q habla español xa hablar. Abrazos!
Nox1983 said on July 24, 2003 10:13:
@theedge:
Hola!. si, soy chileno, y como dices, una suerte estar aca....ahora que Per esta de moda todo ha sido entretenidísimo...
abrazos y saludos!
Nox
Nox1983 said on July 24, 2003 12:52:
Ted:
Me llamo Jorge, solo tengo msn
estoy en linea!!! (on-line)
bye!
StillFar said on July 24, 2003 13:14:
@Nox1983: ’people seem to be envious’ -> I think concerned or even disgusted would be the right word
Nox1983 said on July 24, 2003 13:54:
@StillFar
I have never taken a course of english...in my country (chile) we have english one hour in the week...
StillFar said on July 24, 2003 14:04:
That’s not what I meant. What I wanted to say is that maybe people don’t envy you for having a relationship with a guy twice your age.
White_Cat said on July 24, 2003 15:40:
It’s really strange so many gays feel attracted to younger boys. Most lesbians I know prefer older girls...well, at least I do *g*
ATLTK said on July 24, 2003 16:33:
actually we met on net and chtted and then after to month we got feelings for eachother the age dosent mind when u love someone or does it
roxlad said on July 24, 2003 19:29:
I can only reach it by car... but the advice is not bad.... I shall tell my father to leave me there for a while, there are some shops nearby so maybe with my mum’s complicity I can spend some time at the bar...
...but what can I say to him without being to obvious?
Nox1983 said on July 25, 2003 13:58:
well, my boyfriend feel atracted for younger...I prefer older than me...
StillFar said on July 25, 2003 14:11:
I hate to break it to you, but most 40 year old gay men like 20 year old boys...
clerk said on July 25, 2003 18:19:
@roxlad You could ask him if he’s going out this weekend (or in case you’re there on monday ask him if he has been out), so yes where he likes to go out, that way you can check what kind of bars/clubs he visits, if you know what I mean...
Usually works...
Or just start a small chat, whatever, ask him if he works there fulltime, blablabla, you can learn a lot about someone by just some small talk...
I’ll keep my fingers crossed! Good luck!
btw How everybody doing today?!! I wish everybody a great weekend!
roxlad said on July 25, 2003 19:50:
It’s the small small small talk that makes it all happen!!!
I’ll be seeing him next week...... :-)
lvninabx said on July 26, 2003 15:26:
Hope they are having a good time at pride in London today. It keeps raining on them.
clerk said on July 26, 2003 17:49:
@roxlad Let me know how it went!:)
Wish I could have been at the London Pride!
roxlad said on July 26, 2003 20:18:
I’ll certailny will Clerk!!!!
But it won’t happen until next Monday/Tuesday!!!
purplemedusa said on July 27, 2003 07:48:
@Vaxjoe... did you get my mail (not sure whether it went through or not)
Nox1983 said on July 28, 2003 12:42:
@regn...
a msn no he entrado, es más piola tdr, plop! jejeje
dile al Fco que yo creo me va a ir bien con su encargo, pero en la semana lo veo, “toy iendo” a Gotemburgo mañana...
@still far...
I knew that....lol
coyboyusa said on July 30, 2003 13:46:
still far is right. u have to rember the generation that 40 yr old gay men come from..it was a different time with a lot of repression and now they r living out what they wanted to do 25 yrears ago..its kinda sad cause they use young naive queers to get their kicks and turn them into cynnical sluts that just repeat the same form of abuse
roxlad said on July 31, 2003 08:53:
@Clerk
Hi there! Guess what! I had a fever and could go to the bar!!!!!!! That’s so unfair.... anyway tomorrow I’m going and it’s my last chance because then I leave for England for my summer holidays. When I come back I don’t know if he will be there or not because usually young boys work at bars in July/August to pay for university.... so who knows...
So it’s either tomorrow or nothing.... I was thinking of sending him some flowers (there’s a post about this here on TDR) with a message.... what do you think?
clerk said on July 31, 2003 10:19:
@roxlad
Hi there, man that’s too bad, you’re right it’s unfair! Well I hope tomorrow will be better. Yeah, send him flowers or better a copy of “a thing about you”, says it all, good lyrics and a very romantic cover!!
And a note saying: “I don’t know much about you, but I’m pretty sure I wanna be with you..” ;)
btw Have a great holiday! I love England, wish I could come along! Why don’t drop by in Amsterdam, it’s on your way!:)
roxlad said on July 31, 2003 11:00:
so you live in Amsterdam? I’ve never been there!
I live in Rome... how old are you?
clerk said on July 31, 2003 11:06:
I’m 24, and you?
Never been to Rome, seems like a nice city, I will visit it one day!
roxlad said on August 1, 2003 22:31:
@clerk.... as I promised I’ll tell you how it went at the bar today... I’m not very good at writing situations so I’ll put it as a brief dialog between me and the boy I like so much...
me: hi
him: hi
me: two cappuccinos and a tonic water please
him: here you go...
my mum (to him): how long have you been working here?
me (thinking to myself): mum what are you doing...?
him: about two years...
my mum (to him): you know my son is looking for a place to stay nearby ’cos he works here and comes a long way
me (thinking to myself): that’s a good one....
my mum to my dad: let’s go and see something at the supermarket...
....so now I’m on my own not knowing what to say.... I say some daft things but nothing much... then I go were you pay and tell the woman what we had to drink... she says 3 Euros and 5 cents... I give her 10 Euro... she gives me 7 Euros back and says...
woman: you’ll give me the 5 cents another time
me: oh but I’m leaving for my summer holidays soon...
woman: ok it doesn’t matter...
me: are you sure you won’t come and look for me at home to get your 5 cents?
him: well you don’t have a home in Rome yet...
me (now talking to him): do you know a place I can rent?
him: mmm no I was looking for one too
me: oh, do you want to live by your self or are you going to share the house with somebody?
him: well I shared the house for a long time with a person (notice he didn’t say girl) and now I’d like to be on my own.... also I’ve been living at home for 26 years and I don’t get on so well with my family....
me: oh what a shame, why?
him: well ’cos I don’t have an ordinary life...
me: how come?
him: ’cos I was going out with more boys rather than girls...
me: well my parents know about me and they are ok...
so in a matter of fact we said that we were gay to each other....
then...
me: can I leave you my phone number
him: of course, call your number with my mobile so that I have it...
well... I can’t believe all that happened so easily and he was so nice (kind of shy/embarassed if you know what I mean).... so at 20,00 I sent him a message saying:
thanks for having been so nice at the bar, I hope I can get to know you well...
and now I’m waiting for an answer.... I wonder if he’s going to call...
coyboyusa said on August 2, 2003 19:04:
uhm hello moderators...anyway haters r usually closet cases :)
roxlad said on August 2, 2003 20:28:
when we get messages like this we should just ignore them as if they were never posted...
about my thing with that boy, he didn’t call me yet... should I do it? I mean I made my step...
Roxette-atic said on August 2, 2003 22:15:
Hi guys! Could you help me a little? Some while ago a new guy started at my work! From the first time I saw him I felt strongly attracted to him. He sso damn cute. But he is so shy and dont talk to a lot of ppl. We mostly just say hello to each other... I dont know if he is gay ,but im to chicken I guess to find out. What should I do? Everytime I see him my body aches :)..should i just ask him “hello,do you like boys”?.. have any of you been in the same situation?
ATLTK said on August 3, 2003 11:14:
to say in swedish
Jag skulle inte göra det, aldeles för blyg. har en likadan historia
clerk said on August 5, 2003 07:06:
@roxlad Sounds like it didn’t go too bad!!!;):) Will he call? Let me know!!!
btw enjoy your holiday!!
Echoes_of_a_Doubt said on August 6, 2003 10:45:
you guys might be able to give me some good adivse...
about two weeks ago, I met this very cute guy in a club, without saying a word to each other, we got dancing and smiling and winking at each other, we started making out, talked and were sooo into each other. next day, he invited me for a party, I joined him and his friends and had a great night. Following day, I met him on his own, drove down to the beach, talked for hours and we were making out again. At the end of the night he told me, what he really was impressed by is, that I didn’t want sex with him when I started to kiss him the first time we met, and I must say, that’s what really impressed me about him too, kissing him and no havonh him trying to get his hands down my pants. Anyways, we met again the day after and then again over the weekend and Saturday he came with me to my place and he stayed over... we didn’t get to sleep until 9 in the morning!! Anyways, the thing is, it feels like I have known him for months already, we get on soooo great and he told me, he is o falling in love with me and is glad that thi8ngs turn very serious between the both of us. As this has always been what I was looking for, I should be happy now, but I am not really, even though he is a cute and very attractive guy, he is not really my type and we also do not really ahve much in common. I am just not as mad about him as he is about me. However, I don’t really want to brake up, as it feels great having someone, being able to share your bed with a great guy, not feeling lonely, but whenever we are out, I see so many other guys and I just think: “I’d love to be with that guy, or this guy...” I just find so many other guys much more attractive then my boyfriend. I don’t really want anything serious with him, but at the same time, I don’t want to be alone either... I know you guys might think I am fucked up... but this really is a big issue for me and I just don’t know what to do. I just don’t want to hurt him... and after all, he is only 19 and I am 24... well, age shouldn’t really matter, but I just find the guys around my own age so much more attractive, more fun in a way and also a bit more mature... what would you guys do??
Thanks for reading.
StillFar said on August 6, 2003 12:44:
If I was a total egoist, I’d stay with the guy because I don’t want to be lonely. Otherwise, I’d break it of, because I would feel like I’m taking advantage of a guy who will only get more hurt the more time is passing...
Echoes_of_a_Doubt said on August 6, 2003 14:05:
You are right Still Far. This is exactly what I am thinking as well. Have you ever been in a similar situation, and if you have, how did you deal with it?
StillFar said on August 6, 2003 14:20:
actually I have been in a similar situation a couple of times. I always blieved that it’s important to treat people around me the way I want to be treated (I’m a believer in karma), so whenever I felt that our feelings are totally unbalanced I would break it up. Sometimes it would lead to bad scenes and the guy wouldn’t talk to me anymore, but there’s also been times when a great friendship evolved.
Echoes_of_a_Doubt said on August 6, 2003 14:35:
you see, I think I would actually feel very yellous seeing my “boyfriend” with someone else... even though I don’t love him 100%... stupid I know... when I am with him, I feel something is missing, when he is gone, I miss him sooo much, I hate this... I really do not want to hurt him though... this is really fucked up, isn’t it? The last thing I want is him to think, I only used him...
StillFar said on August 6, 2003 14:46:
well, you do have feelings for him...that’s a different story.
You have to find out if what you feel for him is enough to keep going.
That’s just my opinion and might be really stupid, but I always thought that the first 6 months with a guy, I shouldn’t be attracted to other guys. If I’m in love and I should only have eyes for that guy (at least until the relationship becomes sort of a routine) or else I’m just wasting my time....
Echoes_of_a_Doubt said on August 6, 2003 14:55:
You are right about the first 6 months. This is what I always had in mind as well, that the guy you are with, should be the only one you are focussed on, no one else should matter to you... you are right, it is just not enough for anything serious, at least not from my site...
The hard thing is gonna be to brake this to him, oh I am dreading this!!!
StillFar said on August 6, 2003 15:05:
I know, that’s the worst part! Well, life will go on for both of you...
Cheer up!
Echoes_of_a_Doubt said on August 6, 2003 15:12:
Still Far, you are great, thanFor a little over a year I have been in touch with a great guy over the internet, we email each other all the time etc. I really plan on meeting this guy in a couple of months, until then, I am not up for anything too serious you know, I am wondering, if this Guy I have been mailing, is maybe my Mr. Right... who knows, he seems to be an amazing guy anyway... ;-)
You Guys here in the TDR seem to be very nice, thanks for listening to my crap.... lol
StillFar said on August 6, 2003 15:20:
no crap, we all go through that...
where is that mr.right located? why don’t you meet?
Echoes_of_a_Doubt said on August 6, 2003 15:29:
Well, this guy is located in Holland.. I plan on going there for a hollyday soon... and am gonna hope I can meet up with him then... ;-)
joyrider8103 said on August 6, 2003 20:26:
@Roxette-atic
i’m quite new here (actually my messages are posted somewhere but it was long time ago) and you don’t know me but my advice, maybe crazy, maybe should not even be taken under consideration, but if he doesn’t look like a homophobic one (you said he’s shy and calm) and you’re really attracted to him, why not? i know it’s not easy but you usually feel what is one’s attitude towards gays and other serious topics like that, you don’t know but you feel; i did it twice, once obviously, the other time not so directly. the frist time was crazy - i had this boy in my mind for months and i knew sson i’m graduating and there was not much time left; i just asked him if he can keep in secret that what i was going to ask him about (now i wouldn’t even probably ask him about this “conspiracy”) - he kept his promise, though he wasn’t gay :). it was strange cause till now, when we meet sometimes, he doesn’t seem to know why i asked him if he was gay :)))))))))))))))))). i was 18 then, and i live in poland, which is not easy. i don’t know where are you from but maybe you should consider that fact too.
thank you!
i said it’s going to be crazy!
ATLTK said on August 7, 2003 10:19:
stay with gim thats my advice age dosent matter my bf is 28 i.m 17 we lives 300km far from eachother so what...
Echoes_of_a_Doubt said on August 7, 2003 14:27:
I would sooo love to have a boyfriend that’s also a roxer... coz if he isn’t, he would just be suffering under my CD collection, which consists to 40% of roxette and rox related stuff! ;-)
StillFar said on August 7, 2003 14:45:
@echoes: UK/Holland, you could practically meet every weekend
kachina008 said on August 7, 2003 14:51:
Echos: even if you are in a relationship, that usually doesn’t and shouldn’t stop you from finding other people attractive. it happens to everyone. The difference is that *you don’t act on it*...
i think that applies to any relationship.
StillFar said on August 7, 2003 14:58:
@kachina you’re right. Maybe I didn’t express myself right. Of course we all are attracted to other people. However, in my opinion, when you just start a relationship, you shouldn’t feel with every other person that is passing by, that you are more attracted to this person than your partner...makes more sense?
Echoes_of_a_Doubt said on August 8, 2003 08:04:
That is exactly the thing. I think when you are with someone, especially for the first weeks or months, you should only have eyes for your boyfriend...
Well, I broke up with him last night and it was much harder than I thought it would be... I really do care for him but it’s just not enough from my site, but it still hurts me to see him being hurt. Ah, life is crap sometimes...
ATLTK said on August 8, 2003 10:23:
nox: no son un fan pero te gusta roxette y gessle si
tenemos lo mismo sabor en musica
70-hoy
pero me gusta 60´s tambien como beatles
StillFar said on March 6, 2003 19:03:
stupid :), read my text again...I wanted Ted to understand his parents. Telling him that the guy is an adult and he’s a kid without knowing much about life would have the same effect the talks with his mother have.
Ted...to be direct. The guy is far older than you are. A lot of gay guys I know, who are around his age, look for a guy your age, cause you’re cute, innocent, easy to ’lead’. At 28 your thinking about buying a house, you’re worried about you’re career, you on the other hand, are still at school (I assume), you’re thinking about what job you might like...what is connecting you? And furthermore, what can you give him mentally? I’m 25 and it’s rare that I’m talking to a 17 or 18 year old guy that brings up a real interesting conversation. On the other hand I meet a lot of 17 or 18 year old guys that I’m attracted to....I know you can’t see it the way I do, neither did I at the your age...at least listen to it and think about it!