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Dancing DJs vs Roxette - New entry at #18

Written by ncurran on July 31, 2005 to .

The Dancing DJs remix of “Fading like a Flower” is a new entry in the UK at #18 this week. The hype has been building for months, and many people were expecting a much higher entry. Unlike the American chart, singles are much less likely to climb after their initial entry, so it seems likely that this will be the single’s peak position. The song has been doing well on the UK video channel “The Box” for several weeks, with a new video featuring dancers with the original Roxette video in the background.

  However, as well as a distinct lack of promotion and radio airplay, the main problem that the release faced is that the UK’s largest single retailer, Woolworths, decided not to stock the single, which has seriously hampered its potential success.

40 comments

ncurran said on :

Yay! My first news article on TDR!
I’m disappointed the single didnt do better though.

marcusvandeursen said on :

head up; in the Irish singles charts the single was the highest new entry this week... at no 16... here it’s quite likely to rise a bit further I guess

crashroxer said on :

I hate these coverbands...

ncurran said on :

crashroxer, its not a cover. its a remix

per_mson said on :

@crashroxer: Do you also hate Roxette and GT then since they also did some covers??

GT_85 said on :

There is a difference to be a cover-band and to be a band with just a few covers, and lots of songs they´ve made on their own.

LaMan said on :

I hate it when ppl are so narrow-minded and when someone covers some old song they start to complain and cry!!

This is good promotion for Roxette believe me!

steven said on :

Neil’s first article...

..and my first paid music download.

I feel ill.

I paid for a download.

I p a i d f o r a d o w n l o a d.

Don’t I get a medal or something?

I blame Neil :)

animalkingdom said on :

Having “Feel Good Inc.” (still) above FLAF Remix makes the position rather poor.

Roxette-atic said on :

Im just happy to see the name “Roxette” on the UK top 20... :)

ally77 said on :

I don’t think it would have made much a difference if Woolworths had stocked it or not... my local Woolworths never stocks many singles and it’s a big store, the same for the Big W we did have up until last year...

In the UK it’s a case of money talks and as I doubt the promotors of this single would pay big bucks to get it on the radio 1 playlist, hence why it entered at 18!

Still number 18 is not bad, although it won’t go any higher...

ncurran said on :

Sorry Ally, but you are wrong in this case. Woolworths is the UK’s biggest seller of singles in the UK. They may not have the largest selection. But in pure numbers, they shift more units than any of the other major record chains. This singles chance of being a hit was destroyed the moment they decided not to stock it.

ncurran said on :

http://www.pro-music.org/musiconline/news040921.htm
Woolworths is the UK’s biggest retailer of CD singles (last year Woolworths sold 2.5 million CD singles) and will use its massive high street presence and its position as one of the UK’s biggest advertisers to take on digital rivals. In-store Woolworths’ seven million weekly customers will see downlo@d at woolworths.co.uk on entertainment point-of-sale and music chart walls.

Lars-Erik_Olson (moderator) said on :

And a well-written article it is! We’re always pleased to have new reporters join our staff!

/ LEO

Sascha said on :

I still don’t understand why the british chart works so much different than for example the german one. Here #18 would mean a great entry position for a rox song, with the potential to rise higher in the next weeks.

In the UK it’s always #1 or nothing. Why? No people who hear the song AFTER it’s chart entry and buy it the second or third week?

Rich-UK said on :

Hi Sascha,

Well it used to be like that in the UK in the 80s, that songs would climb up to number 1. The change happened in the 90s, and I guess there were several factors, but one was that the singles were cheaper in the first week. Often you could buy one for 99p or £1.99 in week 1, then from week 2 they would be £2.99 or £3.99. Or maybe our nation is just so very impatient – I know I am! :-)

All the best, Rich

ncurran said on :

Thanks Lars.

Sascha, Yeah Rich-UK is right, but there are other reasons why singles don’t tend to climb in our charts. Another reason is that radio airplay starts much earlier than it did in the ’80’s. Back then a song could be released and enter the chart very low, as noone had heard of it, but then as it got more airplay, people would be more aware of it and it would climb.
Nowadays, the promotion tends to start 5 or 6 weeks before a single is released, and in this time it is determined which radio/music stations will be supporting it and the airplay will start. By the time the single is released, most people that are going to buy it will go out and get it, so the first week in the charts is its highest position.

However, this IS changing. Since the introduction of downloads into our singles chart, some singles are climbing and hanging around the chart for longer. The interesting thing is that the demographic of single buyers is completely different from downloaders. Most single buyers are female, so artists with a big female following have always done well in the singles chart, but something like 95% of downloaders are male. Anyone who has studied the chart since downloads were introduced will have noticed, that different kinds of artists are doing better, and also that some songs are hanging round the chart for longer, or even climbing. I don’t think the Dancing DJs will be the kind of single to benefit from this change though. In fact I think they did better in physical sales than downloads this week. They were number #16 in Wednesdays midweeks of physical sales.

Sascha said on :

Thanx for explanation! Still think it’s weird that all the people buy it on day 1.

rox-kuryliw said on :

Woolworths ?! they isnt one nowhere near where i live LOL, not even in the next town city along from me ! how come the didnt stock it, now its in the charts they will have to stock it !

Sascha its cos people have been hearing it for a month before release and people want to get there hands on it, so when its released all the people flock to get it after waiting forever, and by the second week people feel like its been out a month already , or thats just my experience lol

AURYTE said on :

I don’t think that #18 is so bad. However, I prefer this remix to D.H.T.’s cover, so I expected it to climb higher. Anyway, as someone said here, it’s great to see the name Roxette in the top 20!!!

ncurran said on :

Well to put it into perspective, it is the first top 20 hit in the UK for Roxette since “Wish I Could Fly”, all the way back in 1999, so I suppose it can only be a good thing. I suppose it is still possible it could climb, but i think its very unlikely, unless it suddenly starts to get more radio airplay or something

LaMan said on :

“I suppose it can only be a good thing”.
AGREE! I really hope this is the new beginning for Roxette and Per see ppl still like their songs.

Jud (moderator) said on :

Crashroxer: I start to wonder.. is there anything you like/don’t hate/don’t feel annoyed by/feel positive about besides P&M? ;)

coyboyusa said on :

so retail chains control the music charts in the uk? and u people say america is messed up?

rox-kuryliw said on :

coyboyusa whatever LOL

ncurran said on :

Coyboy, i’m sure they do in america aswell. If a major record chain in america didnt stock a new release, it would effect its chart position aswell

crashroxer said on :

@Judith: Yes, my family!!!

BTW: Marie is the BEST singer in sweden!!

sommartiderhejhej said on :

crashroxer: I agree partially with you.

Loads of covers are usually a rip-off of the original version and are in no way positive for the original performer.
In fact, most of these coverbands should be banned.
It is a sign that these bands are not creative enough to make a musicpiece themselve, but need an existing song.
The worst thing about it is that in the most cases, the cover is much, much worse then the original and covering was thus not a good idea.
And, what I also doubt is that those coverbands do ask permission to the original performer.

However, this Remix by Dancing DJ’s is an other story. Roxette (or at least Per) has given his approval and the Dancing DJ’s give Roxette the credits they deserve, so let’s hope this remix goes straight to Nr. 1!

duncan said on :

I have just listened to the chart announcement on listen again and thought JK’s (or was it Joel’s) impression of Roxette ” Hi, im Marie And I am Per And We Are Roxette” in a slightly dodgy accentwas very funny. The also used the origonal to take a swipe at the “hit 40 UK”

DJ 1 “when was the Origonal released”
DJ 2 ” May 1991 “
DJ 1 ” probably still be in the hit40 uk’s chart”

Maybe you had to be there1

Does anyone know the position on the Unofficial chart or Download?

PS Since the Downloads and single have combined towards the chart position songs have been yo-yoing all over the place (James Blunt entered @ #12 and climbed slowly and has been #1 for 3 weeks) So there is hope.

Roxryder-V2002 said on :

This is from James Masterton from Launch.co.uk:

Anyway the looping house phenomenon itself is far from dead, as proved by the next new entry from the Dancing DJs having been kicking around as a white label for what seems like months the single finally gets a full release having obtained the appropriate clearances for the tune it samples. Said tune is ’Fading Like A Flower’, originally a Number 12 hit for Swedish superstars Roxette back in 1991. Craftily their approval of the sample came complete with the insistence that they get full chart credit and as a result the track ranks as the first Top 40 hit for Per and Marie since ’I Wish I Could Fly’ hit Number 11 in March 1999. Yes, if you are a big fan of the original you are entitled to curse this bowlderisation of the track into a brainless club tune. Come to terms with it however and like all others in its genre, ’Fading Like A Flower’ is damn good fun.

roxtexanet said on :

This is James Masterson’s comment (Dot Music commentary... guess it’s “Yahoo Music UK” now (-: :

Anyway the looping house phenomenon itself is far from dead, as proved by the next new entry from the Dancing DJs having been kicking around as a white label for what seems like months the single finally gets a full release having obtained the appropriate clearances for the tune it samples. Said tune is ’Fading Like A Flower’, originally a Number 12 hit for Swedish superstars Roxette back in 1991. Craftily their approval of the sample came complete with the insistence that they get full chart credit and as a result the track ranks as the first Top 40 hit for Per and Marie since ’I Wish I Could Fly’ hit Number 11 in March 1999. Yes, if you are a big fan of the original you are entitled to curse this bowlderisation of the track into a brainless club tune. Come to terms with it however and like all others in its genre, ’Fading Like A Flower’ is damn good fun.
—-

Nice work P&M, ensuring they get full chart credit for the remix (-: Anyway, given that the (brilliant) original only got to #12 in the UK in the first place, #18 really isn’t all that bad...

steven said on :

I’ve just attempted to send one of my downloaded remixes to a friend for a listen, (yeah I know, copy theft bla bla...).

It turns out that any music you download (certaintly from iTunes), will only play on the original download PC.

That SUCKS on a level that I can’t express into words.

I thought it was too good to be true. First and last time I pay for a download.

ncurran said on :

Duncan, “Since the Downloads and single have combined towards the chart position songs have been yo-yoing all over the place (James Blunt entered @ #12 and climbed slowly and has been #1 for 3 weeks) So there is hope.”

While that is very true, i dont think that this is the kind of track to benefit from downloads. In fact it would have entered higher into the chart if downloads were not included. This kind of song normally does better on physical sales.

ncurran said on :

Steven, “It turns out that any music you download (certaintly from iTunes), will only play on the original download PC.”

I think (not 100% sure), that if you burn the track onto a CD, and then copy the CD onto your PC again, that gets rid of the copy protection.

Jud (moderator) said on :

they do that because then.. what would be the sense of buying a track then? It would be like buying a CD and making mp3s and sending them to all your friends. I think you can download the songs 3 times (at least with CDON), and also burn them to a CD. But I am sure this is explained in the Terms of Service ;)

Sascha said on :

Steven, with iTunes you can “burn individual songs onto an unlimited number of CDs for your personal use, listen to songs on an unlimited number of iPods and play songs on up to five Macintosh computers or Windows PCs. And you can share music with any combination of Macs and Windows PCs on a local area network.” Unfortunately most other download shops don’t allow that much.

Ingo said on :

Who knows when the single will be released in Germany and the rest of Europe?

ncurran said on :

Ingo, I suppose its pretty doubtful that it will be. AATW is a small independent label

ncurran said on :

Slight update. After Sunday and Mondays sales this week, it is a non-mover at number 18 in the midweeks. Hopefully it can hang on and not fall by the end of the week

ncurran said on :

The new chart is out. This week it has fallen 4 places to number 22.

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