Shane said on May 22, 2003 17:40:

IMHO, there is only one Eddie Vedder - the rest are only wannabe’s

Shane said on May 22, 2003 18:36:

IMHO = In my humble opinion.

Ferdan said on May 23, 2003 12:31:

eedi veder same as cobain??????? wash your ears!!!

Stone temple pilots singer(the first albums) was a ripoff of eddie veder
and nirvana had comercial succes before pearl jam,but cobain used to listen to the fformer bands of the members of pearl jam... but anyway,that means nothing cos cobain’s voice was totally different than vedder’s

DaminehGessle said on May 23, 2003 17:40:

I do not like Nirvana as I believe whoever commits suicide is not worth listening to! A total psycho! That’s just my opinion.
Yes Pearl Jam is cool. I have seen interviews with the band members and they just speak their mind beautifully. It’s amazing how many smart people are out there.
There was an interview with them on war. Oh man it was awesome. I am sick and tired of watching actors and artists kissing their president’s butt saying hello to the troop and crap like that. They (Pearl Jam) spoke like no other Americans I have ever seen. I don’t wanna sound racist but hey I spoke my mind :D.
Larry you are very open-minded wow!

DaminehGessle said on May 23, 2003 18:20:

StillFar: I believe no matter how f***ed up your life is, no matter how lonely you are or for whatever reason, you SHALL not kill yourself. That’s what I strongly believe in. And I find people such as Kurt Cobain not worth listening. As I said earlier, that’s my personal belief. I don’t care if the singer is black or white, gay or straight, fat or slim, just be who you are man. What the hell!

Ferdan said on May 23, 2003 18:36:

hmm i´d wouldn’t judge people by their strenght... but by their good or bad doings or spirit.

StillFar said on May 23, 2003 19:15:

Kurt Cobain had a pretty bad drug addiction as far as I know, it’s a special case. What is a strong person? A person who’s superficial in order to find a place in modern society? Is a weak person, the one who doesn’t accept modernism and suffers because of it? You simplify things...

coyboyusa said on May 23, 2003 20:53:

kurt cobain got famous for dying thats all dave ghrol was the talent in the band thats the fact

Jackie_Radiorox said on May 24, 2003 00:09:

Hmmm... dunno about Lighthouse but Audioslave has nothing Eddie Vederish.

Chris Cornell has his pretty much own sound which is a bit darker than Eddie. In ay case, don’t forget that they worked together in Temple of the Dog.

coyboyusa said on June 1, 2003 14:35:

i have to say tho chris corneel and jason wade from life house r 2 hot guys tho

powerpoplarry said on June 2, 2003 04:36:

Yeah, some of those kids are sexually confused teenagers who have trouble grappling the reality that they might be gay!!

I read that many, if not most, teen suicides are by those who are gay and can’t face it or accept it, as their parents will probably give them hell.

I don’t want to agree with Anarem, but she is kinda right. I understand your side and your view, but the concept of suicide is not simple, cut + dried, black + white. I would never do such a thing, but I don’t view suicide victims as the same, but on a case by case basis, yet I wouldn’t wish anyone committed suicide, not even my worst enemies.

immoraldissident said on July 16, 2003 03:39:

that comment is ridiculous... you do realize that Chris Cornell... (audioslave singer) was origionally from Soundgarden right? Which if memory serves was a band around oh about 5 years before Pearl Jam... so to correct your statement... Eddie Vedder came AFTER Chris Cornell... so you do understand... he can’t be trying to sound like Vedder...

But as for Lifehouse and Creed... they suck anyway... no one can measure up to Vedder and Pearl Jam...

Cept MAYBE Cobain....
but barely...

immoraldissident said on July 16, 2003 04:07:

yo i started scrolling down and saw all the suicide conversation....

fact: 3 times as many people die from suicide than homicide each year...

suggestion: we put all extremely suicidal people in a room with guns... and let them shoot each other... (SARCASM ASSHOLES!!!... Continue down to the “wait no” ok... goood job)

wait no...

see... is that better to you... its fucking ridiculous you think only the WEAK kill themselves.. the brave, the not afraid of death... those are the ones who do it

dont be so ignorant...

dont get me wrong cobain was a pussy... but still.... he was fucked as are all the other people who kill themselves but it doesnt mean they are weak... think about it.... would you rather them go around shooting other people i mean they are fucked in the head anyway... somone has to die to them... next time you discuss your arrogant bible hugging opinions think what if some maniac holds a group of people a gun point... his feeling is alreayd that he hates his life and someone has to die... dont you think it would be better for him and those who he would kill that he killed himself...

but the ridiculous thing about Cobain is his death effected his music... its not his fault more the fans... he died... so people all scurried out and bought the CD... poor cobain.... but its over

and another thing has anyone close to you ever killed themselves... no guess not... at least to that Deminel gessle guy or whatever the fuck... no one close to you has killed themselves have they? cause if so youre ridiculous and your opinions are not valid... they are ideas not opinions or belifes... beliefs should have some sort of fact backing them up.... until you felt the pain dont ever sit there and say people who kill themselves are weak... you are dissing the fucking dead dude... i mean i diss cobain for shit he did when he was alive... not for killing himself... thats fucked... he tried dude

whatever im too into this... bye

StillFar said on July 17, 2003 13:51:

or American students who kill half the school before they kill themselves after watching too much tv

immoraldissident said on July 17, 2003 17:50:

Judith... you dont read well do you... it was SARCASM... *lauhgs out loud*... that is sad... read it again... i said we shouldnt do that....

trry again buddy

Anarem said on July 18, 2003 02:05:

Here are a couple of websites that people can turn to for help:

http://www.metanoia.org/suicide/

and

http://www.suicide-helplines.org/

Both are well done, and very informative.

To the person who thinks suicide is committed only the weak, I tell you that at best, you are seriously naive, and at worst, you are completely heartless. I hope you become more informed. It’s very nice and good to have an opinion, but when you have *nothing* to base it on, you just come off sounding like a complete jackass.

immoraldissident said on July 18, 2003 15:01:

Oh sorry juddith.... hehe.... i guess i didnt get YOUR sarcasm... wooh

DaminehGessle said on August 1, 2003 06:11:

camillarox heehee.
I am not weak no...

I was actually reading an interview with Eddie Vedder and at one point he had mentioned Curt Cobain. It really moved me. Eddie had mentioned the fact that he understoond alot from this world more than an average person. This I always knew. And then he went on saying that they were the same on that matter but Curt’s addiction caused his death and the last thing you need when you understand so much is to go in that deep dark tunnel that makes you even think more and then bang...

I am not againt humanity. I am not againt Curt Cobain as a person who killed himself. I just say why wouldn’t he ask someone whom he knows understands him to help out? There’ve been times when I talk to my friends about people dying of hunger, illnesses, war and other reasons and talking about these issues brings tears to my eyes. Not everyone understands what I feel for them. I give out so many hours a week despite my busy schedule to help out with projects in africa which can be done by a professional engineer in a matter of hours. But they wouldn’t help out cause i guess they are hunting for money or god knows what. When I talk about those issues, people either laugh or nod their head as if they don’t care telling me to move on with my life and do my own thing. Why would I bother thinking of that kid or ... when I have enough food to eat and a roof over my head to protect me. Would I kill myself just cause noone else understands or has my view towards this world? No... I would try to keep going all alone. I would stay away from things that would cause disturbance such as drugs. cause they make you think more and understand more. How much can one person take?? You can hear tears in Curt’s voice. Is that good? I do not know.
I dunno if I made sense. It’s late and I need to go to bed. I didn’t want to offend any Curt Cobain fans by saying he was weak or whatever I said. I still believe those who commit suicide are not strong enough to face the challenges. If only I start seeing the good sides to everything and solve the bads, I don’t need to kill myself.

immoraldissident said on August 2, 2003 01:16:

oh wow... huge turn around... you are definatly not as iggnorant as you made it seem or as i thought in the first comments... It made me mad... but I see now what you mean I know a lot of people like that... all “youre weak if you kill yourslef” and I dont know... I think you have to be pratty damn strong... I mean do you have the balls to pick up a gun, razor (etc.) and go through with it... I dont know.... but anyway I agree... No more than one Eddie Vedder Exsists... He is my favorite musician and has been since as long as i can remember... He has said a lot of great stuff about Cobain... and... He is an extremely talented and intelligent man. No one can even come CLOSE to being him... anyway... yeah I am leaving... but um... yes I agree with you Eddie Vedder is swell... um bye

DaminehGessle said on August 5, 2003 00:39:

Bergman you can call me whatever you like. I am not an ignorant person but if you think that way, let it be. I honestly do not care what others think of me. I am who I am.

Bergman said on August 5, 2003 02:09:

@Damineh:

You simply don’t understand. You have this black and vhite mindset, unaware of the real world. People, not just me, are trying to tell you that suicide is not comitted by “weak” people, just deeply depressive people who need professional help.
It is admirable that you do your part for the hungry and needy (and how do you know that there no people in Afrika who kill themselves when life gets too hard for them?), but you are a cold, cold person when it comes to people who kill themselves or who are thinking of killing themselves.

Ten years ago my oldest brother killed himself when he was only 31 years old, he was dying of AIDS and he was just so depressed. He couldn’t live with being a burden to the family, even though we told him that we loved him, and we would take care of him and that one should always have hope... but he killed himself anyway, because he couldn’t cope with the fact that half his friends and family had shunned him and that he, a former hockey and football player, would slowly be wasting away and have to be tended to like an old man.

I miss my brother and would have done anything to help him... and at the time, if I had told him to “cheer up, that there are people worse off than you (like the people starving in Afrika)”, he would have punched me in my face and told me to wake up and face the real world. And if he was here right now, Damineh, he would also tell you to wake up.

mfsgfan said on September 5, 2003 21:32:

To the person that started this thread.

You are the single most retarded human on this earth. Yes Eddie vedder is a great singer, and will go down in rock history as a great vocalist. And your comparisons w/ creed’s singer and the lighthouse singer trying t sound like eddie are correct. Now on to Audioslave.

Do u even know who Audioslave’s singer is? It’s Chris Cornell u dumb ****. Lead singer of fellow grunge heavyweights Soundgarden, and quite possibly the greatest singer is the history of MUSIC. Ten times the vocal range (5+ octaves easily) of Vedder and 100 times the power. Back when Cornell was w/ Soundgarden, he could reach the highest, most incredibly ear piercing notes ever achieved by man. By the way, cornell formed Soundgarden in 84-85, and he was the one who found Eddie in the first place when he was recruited to work on the legendary album Temple of the Dog w/ SG members Cornell and Cameon, as well as future PJ members.

Sure, Cornell uses a baritone similar to Eddie (in “like a stone”, which is the audioslave song im sure ur referring to), except that Chris adds all sorts of twists and bends to the melody, and has beautiful pitch and tone as well (unlike that talentless hack scott stapp of Creed).

By the way, listen to the entire Audioslave album before u make ur ignorant asumptions. Cornell is still by far the best rock singer out there by far, and his incredible vocal range is still very present (high notes and all). In fact, the only difference between Cornell now and Cornell in SG is that his voice is a bit huskier and more harsh
nowaday
Later, u dip****

By the way, dont get me wrong, vedder is great, cornell is a vocal messiah.

tighterandtighter said on February 11, 2004 23:46:

OK, understanding that this thread is old, I’d like to lend my two cents.

I’ve been suffering from depression for going on nine years now. There are good days and there are bad days, but basically I am like Chris Cornell in that not a day passes when I don’t think of suicide.

Now, I know there are many people who have things much worse than me, and you know what? That comes as little consolation. Unless you have really dealt with depression – and I don’t mean just “boo hoo, he/she dumped me!” or “I failed a test” depression, I mean the waking up in the morning and feeling like dirt for no good reason sort of depression – you cannot understand. Until you go a month without having a good day; a month of deep set depression, you can’t understand.

It is very easy to say that being alone wouldn’t bother you and you could live on, but until you actually feel utterly alone, you are unqualified to speak to it. Imagine going home and having nobody to talk to, not having a supportive family (which I’ve been blessed with), having nobody to confide in and bottling up everything inside. And you know, it doesn’t matter if you actually do have people who care, it is all about perception - the depressed mind shifts things, perverts them. A person who is deeply depressed may not be able to understand that other people care about him or her or why anybody WOULD care.

About the drug abuse thing - many people who are depressed use drugs and alcohol to escape from their depression, as a way to feel something or to even feel good. Again, it is very easy to say that you would never use drugs (an admirable goal) but until you are in the position of the addict you have no firm understanding.

And how is being suicidal (a symptom of depression) not an illness? For many, it is believed that depression is a result of a chemical inbalance. For some, the body doesn’t produce enough seratonin, a neurotransmitter that effects mood, regulating the whether you feel good or bad, anxious or relaxed, etc. For these people the lows are exaggerated and it is really quite impossible to feel truly good - some have both their highs and lows exaggerated, resulting in manic depression. So again, if suicidal thoughts are a symptom of depression and depression is an illness - how is a person who is suicidal not ill?

I don’t see how Kurt Cobain is an exceptional case. I mean, yes, in some senses he was exceptional - he was famous. But it basically boils down to coping skills. The man couldn’t cope with his problems. If it weren’t the problems of fame, then it would likely have been something else. He could have quit too. Lots of stars do it. Again, there are times when even the simplest of tasks can feel overwhelming - when just getting out of bed is something to be proud of. He put a gun in his mouth to cope with problems that he couldn’t handle. He couldn’t handle his stomach pain, he couldn’t handle his skoliosis (SP - curvature of the spine) his fame, and a plethora of other issues in his life.

How do we know what he did to seek help? How do we know that he never asked for advice or saw a doctor? Besides, if you look back at his records, and listen to the words, it was fairly irrisponsible of the public and docs to not try and do something. Think about it - how many songs that he wrote were self mocking, self loathing, morose and filled with suicidal inuendo? It wouldn’t have taken a PHD to infer that this guy needed help. An intervention would probably have been appropriate (as with Layne Staley as well).

Oh yeah, and chronic pain isn’t much fun. I’m in pain or discomfort most of the time, not intense, but it’s there. In any event, it doesn’t help.

As far as not listening to him because he killed himself: that doesn’t make sense. Now, maybe it is not the best idea to take his advice on how to cope with problems, but I can see no harm in enjoying his music. That just seems silly to me.

About him not wanting people to love him: also an absurdity. Listen to the song “In Bloom.” There are certain types who he would rather not listen to him, but he was grateful for the love he received from true fans.

Finally: This isn’t a pity post or anything, I just wanted to enlighten somebody about what it’s like to feel like this.

Edits: damned typos. Three’s a charm, eh?

DaminehGessle said on February 12, 2004 06:40:

tighterandtighter: Yes this thread was kind of old. Let me tell you now.

About a month ago, my roommate and I were talking about things. She is a nursing student and apparently what nurses like to do is to talk about things, open up sort of. I am totally opposite to that. I like to keep things to myself let alone talking about them with someone I do not fully trust. We were talking about strength and she admired me for my strength. I told her about my past and the things I’ve been through. We all go through things of our own. Some tougher when you weigh them. We got to the case of suicide. Well I have never understood people who commit suicide. The reason: I have never experienced those phases. And you are right. I would never know unless I am in that exact situation. Now I know what suicide is all about. I have come to an understanding.

About loneliness which you talked about. Let me tell you something. There are times when I am 100% certain that there is noone else in this world as lonely as I am. I have a great family and if not for their existance, I would have never been here. Friends are always there. But you know when you need someone, noone’s around. That’s a sad fact. Last Friday, my roommate went on a trip which will take 10 days. I was all alone all through the weekend. I would sit outside in the cold, look at my moon and blow the hell out of that cigarette. So don’t tell me I haven’t felt that loneliness deep inside. I have. I feel it every second of each day no matter how many people are around me. Maybe it’s my fault. Maybe I have never opened up to anyone. Maybe I want to act strong so that noone can know my weaknesses. Who knows why? Maybe I just don’t want to disturb anyone with my problems. And I will take them in. I will swallow them all and I will survive no matter how lonely and by myself. I will cry through my loneliness and will stand strong when I’m standing in front of others. That’s just me. Selfish me!
my throat hurts.

tighterandtighter said on February 13, 2004 06:38:

DG:

The only reason I assumed that you never really felt alone was because of your phrasing in an earlier post, where you said something along the lines of “if I did feel lonely, I would live on,” (or something). I took this to mean that you don’t get lonely.

Anyway. I guess we all feel lonely sometimes. I’ve never personally felt that I am the loneliest person in the world, but I do feel lonely, almost constantly. Alice in Chains’ Them Bones is kind of my anthem in that sense.

I’m curious: after your discussion with your nurse friend, do you have a different opinion of suicidal people? Do you still think they are weak?

Have a good one.