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The Book now available through RFO!
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colinvdbel said on December 21, 2002 16:27:
Hi!
I just wanted to inform you that the Book ’The Look for Roxette’ including bonus E.P. is available at the R.F.O. shop.
If you want to order, goto http://www.trfo.tk and select shop.
You can, however, also send an e-mail to: [email protected] for orders or payments.
I hope I help some of you with this!
ROX ON!
Colin.
pietROxette said on December 21, 2002 21:18:
Euros.
The prices include everything (that is, packaging and shipping). The RFO has no profit, the prices you see on http://www.trfo.tk come from the price of the book plus the cost of shipping. Yep, the book is expensive. :-/
DaminehGessle said on December 22, 2002 06:53:
They have already taken the money off my visa but I haven’t received a book yet. Would I ever receive it?!
pietROxette said on December 22, 2002 09:55:
@DaminehGessle: Are you sure it was RFO (Roxette Fan Organisation), not another shop? RFO didn’t take the money off your card, since we do not yet have a credit card terminal. You can pay by paypal or bank transfer. So I’m sure it wasn’t the RFO who charged your credit card and didn’t send you the book. We started selling it a day or two ago.
imazombieinthem... said on December 22, 2002 10:44:
Do all those prices stated include shipping by AIRMAIL?
And if Paypal is used for payment, is shipping immediate? How long after payment do you send the book?
alchemiste said on December 22, 2002 11:54:
Oh, finally here´s the information that you had promised for the end of NOVEMBER...
If you want to buy the book cheaper, check out http://shop.roxette.nl/ and get it from the Official Roxette Fanclub... :)
PS. We´ve already sent out a huge lot of books to the fans...
colinvdbel (moderator) said on December 22, 2002 12:08:
@zombie: The shipping is registered mail, and also priority...good enough?
pietROxette said on December 22, 2002 13:46:
Well, the OIRFC has the right to sell 300 copies of the book. RFO has WAY more.
And we don’t charge people months before the delivery...
alchemiste said on December 22, 2002 15:09:
@ pietROxette
Pre-orders for this book have been accepted since November. All pre-ordered books have been sent out by now (middle of December).
So I wonder why you talk about “charge money months before the delivery”.
On the other hand, that´s the style the RFO had ever since their first post - bash the ones that try to do their jobs instead of convincing through good work.
To be honest, this pisses me off a bit. If you want to do something on your own (instead of, for example, help the Fanclub out if you are convinced you can do our job better), fine, but why don´t you just do your work like we try to do ours? People will be able to judge on their own, I´m sure they don´t need your bashing and your accusations.
pietROxette said on December 22, 2002 15:26:
Alchemiste, stop arguing, please. The very first message here on the RFO was that we are definitely not gainst the FC and the FanShop (the two organisations are mostly doing diferent things, merchandising the book is the only thing in common between us). The RFO in this case is an alternative to the FanShop. Well, if you’re pissed off because there is competition... what can I say....
Don’t say you don’t charge people in advance because you do. Whenever someone places an order at the fanshop, he/she is immediately charged, even if the estimated delivery is months later (and you don’t even let customers know that delivery is not immediate). Let me give you a quick example on what I’m saying: I’ve ordered the After Tourbook from the FanShop in the very beginning of November. I still don’t have it, but that’s a different story. When I’ve placed my order, absolutely no information was written on the site concerning the delivery. So, when I’ve placed my order in the beginning of November, my credit card was CHARGED. When, after a month, I’ve asked you about my order, I was informed that the book won’t be shipped till December 15. Now what is this if not charging people in advance?
Anyway, whoever wants to order the discography book from the FanShop, is free to do that (until the FanShop’s stock last, of course). And if someone rather wants to buy from the RFO, here you go, you have the information to do so. We have tons of books waiting for your order.
G113 said on December 22, 2002 16:48:
I know people at the FC and i know how hard they work, and you are really starting to pis me off
You guys are always knocking the fc , you say you want to be friends but i would just like to put some facts down .
What RFO said : Firstly, you said that you were non profit and that the Fc makes profit and that you were going to be cheaper then the fc , to prove to everyone that they make profit.
Fact : The Fc brought out the book ALOT cheaper then you are offering it , yet they make profit and you dont, seriously, anyone that can do simple school maths could work out that there was your first mistake. there is almost 10 euros in the european costs !
what the RFO said : You said that everyone that brought the book from you would be guarenteed the book under their christmas trees before christmas , and that if they got it at the fc you seriously doubted that it would be in there homes in 2002 Yet you only started selling on the 19th of december ?
Fact : the FC sent out all their books on the 19th , and now its in the hands of the Post Office .
To be fair, and To gain a little respect, I think you Owe some people a little Apology .
colinvdbel (moderator) said on December 22, 2002 17:16:
Hey....we make no profit andnever said we want to be friends with the FC. But since we can’t order 300 books in advance, the books cost us a bit more. But you can check us out at the ’Kamer van Koophandel’ in Holland. We’re official there as of the 1 st of January; a non-profit organisation.
As for the delay of the book: The printer had some ’emergency printings’, so the book came later.
However, the FC is out of stock now, and we aren’t. And we work really hard, but if you don’t like us, then don’t pay attention to us. What;s your problem anyway? Since your sales are going so good as you claim, why flame and bitch us? We’re just doing something for the fans.
pietROxette said on December 22, 2002 17:18:
Oh, you might be very familiar with who said what. Yet, it’s your very first reply here.
So you must be a regular TDR user... most likely under a different user name. I simply HATE when people go and create new login names to say something. If it’s your opinion, why can’t you say under the login name you use to read TDR day by day. Obviously you are a regular TDR-reader, since you happen to know who said what....
So that’s about you...
About pricing: as Judith clearly stated in another thread, the low price was a limited time offer from the Fanclub, for the orders before December 1. Now, you don’t even need to have basic mathematics, just a calendar to see that today is December 22, which means that the limited time offer has ended exactly 22 days ago. Don’t fool people with a price of a limited time offer that has ended long long time ago.
About delivery before Christmas: the book was expected to be ready way earlier than it actually came out of the printing press. But now it’s out and ready to be ordered.
About making profit: no, we don’t. Again, you don’t even need to know basic mathematics to realise that you simply can NOT send a 1.6 kg book with registered priority mail for 8 Euros. Nope, you can’t. Just check out the postal rates. See? This 8-euro thing was also part of the limited time offer of the FC, that ended a long long time ago.
The FC somehow was able to make this offer to ship the books for a lower price than the real price. I don’t care (and probably I don’t really wanna know) how they managed to do it. (Probably they had some profit from previous times and they decided to give a discount this time. ) Anyway, they did it. Congrats for that. The RFO is a brand new organisation and we do not have any money to make such things. Robert asks a certain amount of money from us, the post office asks another amount. We combine these and sell the book for this price. So please, mind your words.
So, who’s bitchig and who’s flaming?
G113 said on December 22, 2002 17:53:
yet again you state that they make no profit,
Well if you check the same KVK your under, they are too, A non profit organisation, and they DID NOT and DO NOT make profit, and about the printing story, they book came from the same printers as yours and they didnt have that story, weird,
and btw, i never said i was flaming or bitching, I not once called you names or was rude, im simply stating the facts. Your right, I started this account to reply to this thread, because for the first time ever i have felt compelled to put something down here , because the way you guys started and carried on is unbelievable. You said that they make profit and its very clear now that they dont, and you said that they would not ship before christmas and its very clear now that they did. All im saying is that you told everyone here, things that we very untrue , and if you are at all adult, you would own up to that, it would get you the respect you are looking for from the fans. At least the fc has addmitted in the past to being wrong, and they are working their asses off right to get on the right track, but ofcourse, thats not worth a mention, cause that just isnt fun .. is it ?
besides, just looking at the quality of the tourbook they just brought out, shows how much they care about making the fans happy, no one expected that book and yet , they produced before christmas as part of there new commitment to get the fanclub up to standards again .
pietROxette said on December 22, 2002 18:10:
Please, please, look at the facts and try to understand things before saying we are lying.
1.) Yes, the book came from the same printing press. The FC took pre-orders and sent the books on December 19.
We didn’t take pre-orders, but our store opened on December 20.
So? What’s wrong with that? You can come and order now. If you send something on December 19, that definitely won’t arrive before X-mas. But that’s not a problem, everyone knows how slow the postal service can be sometimes.
2.) I don’t know if the FC makes profit or not. Actually I don’t even care. They run a service, which is their own business. Whether they make a 200% profit on a sale or 0% profit, I don’t care. That’s a commercial service. (People do have some negative comments about their service, but that’s another story and I believe should be neglected in this discussion.) It’s up to people if they go there and buy something or not.
3.) We never said anything against the fanclub, or anthing that was untrue.
However, if you look at Alchemiste’s comment, you might notice some untrue facts there. You can actually NOT buy the book at the FanShop now. Also, in several comments, people are mislead by the limited time offer of the fanclub that ENDED on December 1.
So, I really don’t understand what your problem is. Tell me where you think I said untrue things. Cause I just don’t know...
I can’t tell you more. It’s up to people where they want to buy the book. I’ve told this before and have nothing to add to this pointless discussion.
pietROxette said on December 22, 2002 18:19:
No-one here was talking about the work of the FC or the After Tourbook. I even ordered it myself! I’m looking forward to receive it! Actually I even defended them in another thread where people were complaining about the delivery time. So please don’t start settig us the Devils who are against the FC and trying to persuade people not to buy from them. We never did that. You can look back on TDR. We didn’t say such a thing.
So please be fair. I feel that your comments are partially very very unfair, since you are accusing us with doing or saying things we never did.
And I still feel it very, VERY unfair to create a new user ID just to come here and flame. If you have an opinion, say it. But say that under your own ID. It’s like not bearing the responsibility for what you’ve said. And it’s among the rudest things I can imagine. Phew.
G113 said on December 22, 2002 18:25:
ok, you ask what you said is untrue and im going to tell you .
The Offical Roxette Fanshop , Does not make profit.
Its as simple as that , They do not make profit.
And it makes me really pissed off that you can assume that they do. You are starting a Online shop now, and you are going to see how hard it is to get it all of together. So for someone like you to just come along as assume something and make it public , is just incredibally childish .
So let me repeat it again, They do not make PROFIT , they are a non profit organisation, Just like you are, and inorder to be one, like you should know, as you are doing the paperwork now, you cant make profit and be a non profit organisation
G113 said on December 22, 2002 18:28:
pietroxette, I have never had a account on the tdr,
I wanted to air my views, and i have the right too, inorder to do that , I needed to make an account.
I addmitted to you that i made an account to talk about this .
colinvdbel (moderator) said on December 22, 2002 18:34:
One thing: The FC does not make profit, but some people of the FC team told me that in past years, they made extra money from the Fanshop. This was however, not considered profit, because they bought expensive unneccesary equipment from that money.
And secondly, it seems to me that the way you are reacting seems to me as if you are very afraid of some competition, although we don’t consider ourselves as that.
G113 said on December 22, 2002 18:43:
You are not competition mate :-)
What you are saying here, is not true, and you are saying these things , inorder to win people into your store, which is your way of doing things and thats ok if thats how you want to go around life.
Those are purely accusations, and you have no proof what so ever.
But im actually just wasting my time here, because this behaviour , how you started, i mean, not one thing your organsition has said so far is true, and how your now, talking about us and defending yourselfs, is enough to tell me that im wasting my time .
Just try to remember this when you are well established , and someone does something simular and makes up lies about you and accusations which are not true, and worse yet, tells your customers .That feeling is something you are going to have to remember with empathy , its only fair.
To say something , that you have heard, and your not sure its true, you have no proof its true , yet you tell everyone ..... nice one
pietROxette said on December 22, 2002 18:44:
About the account thing: it’s ok, I’ve misread your comment.
About FC maikng profit: I never said they make profit. I even told you (and in other threads as well), that I don’t care if they make a profit or not. So I didn’t say they make. Neither someone else from RFO did so. We, at the RFO only told everyone when we were formed that we are a non-profit organisation and we emphasize that sometimes. But that doesn’t mean that we say the FC makes profit.
LittleGirl78 said on December 22, 2002 19:03:
Oh god, must you make a fight who make profit?
Nobody make profit, I think, and I don´t know what shipping cost for so a big book.
We are in the Kindergarden.
And this with the FC has finished, now you can´t order on the FC, I have my book pre-order on November so I get it, but the people now must order elsewhere.
OK. I hope this OK and we all are friends.
G113 said on December 22, 2002 19:05:
Ill copy paste what you said RFO
colinvdbel 11/21/2002 14:00
Edited by: colinvdbel (11/21/2002 14:04)
Yeah....we’ll have them to you before christmas, guarenteed. We’ll have an excellent shop...it will be online soon. Also, our prices will be good compared to the Fc, although we’re awaiting a phonecall from Sweden now to get the exact price.
For everyone who doesnt know it yet: The RFO (Roxette Fan Organisation) does not want to compete with the FC in any way. We just offer an alternative for the fans that already left the Fc, or those who want more than what the FC offers. Roxbytes is a part of the R.F.O, but we will have much much more to offer, such as fanmeetings, a shop where non-shop items are available such as old vinyl and old cd’s.
* thats all im trying to State , im no longer adding to this thread because she is right, this is childish, but its nice to at least try and clear someones name when it has been shat upon
pietROxette said on December 22, 2002 19:07:
Dammit, stop flaming for now and for all.
Stop saying things like: “What you are saying here, is not true, and you are saying these things ,” or “not one thing your organsition has said so far is true, and how your now,” because these are LIES!
I’ve asked to tell you what you believe is not true, but you didn’t tell a thing. Yes, you are seeing things clear: you are wasting your time. You are the one to came here flaming. Just read your post: it’s full of flames, flams and flames. Stop accusing us with things we never did. How on Earth do you dare to say “not one thing your organsition has said so far is true”?? Heh? Now THESE are the LIES and this is what is called flaming and saying untrue things.
Get a life and leave us alone. It was pointless for you to create a TDR ID.
pietROxette said on December 22, 2002 19:14:
Yes, that’s what Colin has written. And which part of that message do you find negative? Yes, it was written that the books would be shipped before X-mas, but as we explained, due to the error of the printing press there was a delay and we started taking orders the very next day as the FC sent the books.
Anyway, I’m not gonna be explaining anything more since I’m sure we didn’t write anything negative about the FC, we are not against them, everything that happened is clearly explained in my previous threads. I think someone who reads my commets gets our point by now. Any further explanation from the RFO’s point is useless. Please read our replies again and you’ll see that we don’t have anything against the FC, you’ll se our prices and you’ll se that it’s up to you if you buy the book from the RFO or not.
’night.
LittleGirl78 said on December 22, 2002 19:26:
in two days is xmas :-)
I wish you all a great xmas and a happy new year 2003 in 7 days *abighug*
kibkalo said on December 22, 2002 19:29:
The Unofficial Russian FC ordered 10 books from RFO and we are waiting for them till New Year.
Rox-greetings from Moscow
colinvdbel (moderator) said on December 22, 2002 19:31:
Thanks! A big hug to you too!
And ofcourse a happy Jule to those of you who celebrate it!
Jud (moderator) said on December 22, 2002 20:43:
please stop arguing...it takes us nowhere :)
The FC and the RFO are there to do stuff for fans, help them with this and that, that’s what counts, or?
That you still want to buy the book? you have different options to choose from, RFO, Premium, the fanclub (as i said in another post, you can mail at [email protected] and they will see what they can do), Robert....
We are all here to do our best to help fans out, in getting the book or in other stuff, so we’d better get ourselves working instead of arguing here :P
colinvdbel (moderator) said on December 22, 2002 20:45:
I agree with you Judith. The ony reason I started this topic was to let the fans know we’re accepting orders. Not to get into a fight with some people from the FC. I just want to help fans get the book.
pietROxette said on December 22, 2002 20:46:
Yep, yep. Agrees with Judith. We’re just an option. Nothing is compulsory :-)
japeke said on December 23, 2002 00:55:
HEY PEOPLE! ! ! ! ! STOP THIS DISCUSSION! LEAVE EACH OTHER ALONE!!!!!
THIS DISCUSSION IS REALLY REALLY REALLY STUPID! And if you go further like this, I won’t buy the book at any of you!!!!!!!!!
PEACE ON EARTH!
Iertje_ said on December 23, 2002 10:50:
Just to clear things up: this threat hasn’t been fc against RFO, the only ones from the fc that reacted here were Alchemiste (also known as Stefan) and Judith (Rox Spain). So there are no flames from our part. I don’t really care if people prefer buying the book from the RFO, like I said before: it’s always good to have more resources and choices.
I’m not getting into the discussion about the profit-thingie, cos it’s pointless.
We indeed sold about 350 books, this number is not because we couldn’t get more, but because that was the amount of pre-orders that we had. As Judith says, if you are still looking for the book and you prefer purchasing it from us, you can mail us and we’ll see what we can do.
Anyway, let’s keep it peaceful and have a merry x-mas all of you! And a happy 2003 without fights or other negativity.
kachina008 said on December 23, 2002 12:12:
I got my book (ordered thru the FC in Holland) today! thank you everyone who works there.
I_love_having_sex said on December 21, 2002 20:18:
it is extremely expensive