DaminehGessle said on December 7, 2005 04:56:

I’m pro. Why not? If you don’t wanna have a baby and it just happened that you are pregnant, abort it. Ya.

ncurran said on December 7, 2005 11:29:

I personally dont like the idea of abortion, but i think it is a personal moral decision that each woman has to take, and i wouldnt take that right away from them. It is not a black and white issue. What about women who have been raped? Is it fair to expect them to give birth to the child of their rapist? What if a twelve year old gets pregnant? Is that child really going to have a good life anyway. You see a lot of people going about who should never have had kids in the first place. Taking the right to abortion away would only result in more neglected and abused kids in society, as if we dont already have enough of them.

ncurran said on December 7, 2005 19:37:

roxlad, so you would make a twelve year old girl, who was abused by her father go through with a pregancy and give birth to his child? As i said, the issue isnt black and white.

tevensso (moderator) said on December 7, 2005 20:14:

Pro choice all the way.

silverROSES said on December 8, 2005 12:36:

i’m pro!!!! to have a child a miserable life much better not to live at all!!

Majdy said on December 8, 2005 14:00:

I am agree with Roxlad. The unborn child has a right to live.
if u don’t wanna have baby when you’re still young then don’t have sex.

roxlad said on December 8, 2005 14:41:

I still think it’s wrong but I don’t disagree 100%. There are certain cases that it’s better to do it (eg. being raped etc.) but only if it’s at the very beginning. Every case is different and should be discussed separately. That’s why I agree to have the right to abort as a last and only solution.

What makes me sick is when people use this right just like going to the hair dresser. I could name a few girls I know that do it. Also I think it’s disgusting when you kill a baby already formed and I can assure you that in England they do it!

Majdy said on December 8, 2005 16:20:

tev : sorry, tev, I don’t feel I’m wrong. I just never disagree with killing innocent unborn child just because the parents didn’t want to have responsible.
many people are longing to have kids but they never had, but then many people who CAN but want to get rid of it? i just cant agree with that.
however, in some case i have to agree, for example when the mother was in danger if she continue her pregnancy.

wafer_thin said on December 9, 2005 03:08:

To ROXLAD:

I agree that it is a major issue when the MAN wants the baby, but the woman doesn’t. Does no one else think it ironic that when the woman wants the baby, but the man doesn’t, she can simply kill his child without even asking him - yet, if SHE wants it, but he doesn’t, she can have it and make him pay child support for 18 years??? Talk about gender inequality!

To SANTI:

A group of multiplying cells? Might I remind you that you YOURSELF are naught but a group of multiplying cells. The difference? You had the good luck to pass unharmed through your mother’s vagina. What magical event occurs between the moment of birth and the moment after that gives you more right to live?

In the USA, a mother may kill her baby up to the moment of birth - even when it is fully delivered except for the head! But the moment after it is born, to kill it is murder - why? Either it is alive or it is not.

And about “bringing someone unwanted here to suffer”. Listen, if people don’t want babies, they shouldn’t have sex, period. When you smoke, you accept the responsibility that you may someday get cancer - and you deal with the consequences. And when you have unprotected sex, you risk that you might CREATE A NEW LIFE - no small thing! When you do this, you run the risk that you might be creating a situation with which you will have to deal for the next 18 years!

Of course, I make exceptions for rape, incest, whatnot - but on the whole I view abortion as a way to evade responsibility for one’s actions.

To TEVENSSO:

How can you just say someone is “wrong, plain and simple”? Obviously is is not “plain and simple”, or else millions the world over would not be participating in this debate. I don’t think there are any simple answers in this. Can one not simply have their own opinion on this issue?

Well, that’s all for now. Have a great day everyone!

Debora said on December 9, 2005 17:33:

maiden, you are right...

Santi said on December 9, 2005 23:31:

@wafer_thin: Well, then the problem is in the place you live in. We’re not talking the same kind of abortion. Where I live there are time regulations that make sure all you can abort is a non-sensitive and a non-feeling group of multiplying cells. Don’t blame me from the defects of your country. Actually I guess you’re from the USA, maybe if it was not such a taboo and people could talk about it, some regulation could be agreed, but with fanatics that just see all or nothing you can’t reach any agreement, that’s for sure.

Besides, I remind you that having sex is much more than procreation, believe it or not. So abstinence is not a real or realistic way of solving anything. Otherwise we’d all start to go nuts and do weird stuff like Catholic priests, and that’s something we don’t want to suffer (and you shouldn’t want either, otherwise check the news in a very catholic country like Spain, for example).
Yet you’re right, the responsability is high. Ok, but why don’t accept the possibilities of modern medicine to solve them? You should note that very few people if any is eager to abort. It’s a complicated stuff and the woman could die from it. Most people don’t like to risk their lives for fun in that way. So it’s necessary that, for a coherent debate, we accept that is the last resource to be used.
The same as you do accept very unnatural methods like medicines and surgery to help us cure, well, just understand the condoms and stuff as “medicines” and the abortion as “surgery” in the burdens of sex.

I’d like to point out the fact that you joined in today and this was your first and so far the only reply you’ve ever made. I hope you’re not one of those fanatic anti-abortists that scan forums all around to spread their word and try to help their cause. We don’t need no preachers, thanks. Hope you’re interested in Roxette.
Now... which was Per Gessle’s most beautiful harmonica solo in your opinion? :)

wafer_thin said on December 10, 2005 01:34:

TO SANTI:

>Well, then the problem is in the place you live in.

Oh, really? Are you profiling me based upon my nationality? Who are you to presume that my opinions are based upon geography, rather than serious thought and meditation on the subject? Honestly, I made no such judgment of you - I’ll thank you to pay me the same respect.

>Don’t blame me from the defects of your country. Actually I
>guess you’re from the USA, maybe if it was not such a taboo and
>people could talk about it, some regulation could be agreed, but
>with fanatics that just see all or nothing you can’t reach any >agreement, that’s for sure.

Again with the profiling. I think it’s fascinating that anyone who doesn’t agree with your point of view is automatically a “fanatic”. Again, I made no such judgment on YOUR side. I can see how someone could come to a pro-abortion point of view through using their own best reasoning and views on life as they see it - I don’t think that all pro-abortion folks are “baby-killers”, or whatever. Can’t you pay us who believe differently from yourself the same respect? You call my country, which you don’t even KNOW, “defective”, but you show a defect by jumping to such conclusions about me and totally ignoring the contents of my previous post in your failed attempts to attack and discredit me.

>Besides, I remind you that having sex is much more than
>procreation, believe it or not.

I agree - it’s a lot of fun. Doesn’t mean one shouldn’t be responsible for what OCCURS as a result of having sex, does it? Or are we living in some fantasy dream world where actions no longer have consequences?

>So abstinence is not a real or realistic way of solving anything.

Really? Tell that to all those who’ve avoided pregnancy, AIDS, STDs, and the like simply by keeping their legs closed and their pants zipped. It is effective!

>Otherwise we’d all start to go nuts and do weird stuff like
>Catholic priests, and that’s something we don’t want to
>suffer (and you shouldn’t want either, otherwise check
>the news in a very catholic country like Spain, for example).

Wow. First bigotry based upon nationality, now religion? I’m not Catholic, not even Christian, but that remark was totally uncalled for. I mean, it’s not like other religions never do any “weird stuff”. I bet you can think of a few choice examples of “weird stuff” done by other faiths.

>Yet you’re right, the responsability is high. Ok, but why
>don’t accept the possibilities of modern medicine to solve
>them?

I wasn’t aware that inserting a high-tech vaccuum into a womb and sucking an infant into a shredder, and throwing the remains in a dumpster constituted “modern medicine”. Or injecting the womb with saline solution, in effect scalding the unborn child to death. Or did you mean delivering the child’s entire body, except for the head, and jamming a tube into it’s brain, to collapse the skull and make it easier to remove? Sounds like sheer brutality, to me.

>You should note that very few people if any is eager
>to abort. It’s a complicated stuff and the woman could die
>from it. Most people don’t like to risk their lives for fun
>in that way. So it’s necessary that, for a coherent debate,
>we accept that is the last resource to be used.

I hope that is true where you live. I really do. If it is, than abortion must be very rare. In the United States, over 95% of abortions are classified by the mothers as “elective”. That means their health wasn’t really in danger. The baby they created would be an inconvenience to them. The instance of abortion being done for health reasons - for the life of the mother, or for rape or incest, at least in the USA, is less than 3%.

>I’d like to point out the fact that you joined in today and
>this was your first and so far the only reply you’ve ever
>made. I hope you’re not one of those fanatic anti-abortists
>that scan forums all around to spread their word and try to
>help their cause. We don’t need no preachers, thanks. Hope
>you’re interested in Roxette. Now... which was Per Gessle’s
>most beautiful harmonica solo in your opinion? :)

So, you’re trying to discredit me as an “anti-abortion fanatic”? What do you think anti-abortion folks do all day, scan the message boards of all popular bands, hoping and praying that one of them might mention the topic of abortion, so they can jump into a debate? Or do you think I search Google all day long for the word “abortion” looking for forums? Nice thought, but I doubt Google has even indexed this site yet, and even if has, I’m sure it’d be like 100,000 ranked for that word, making it impossible for me to find. Nope, no preacher, I.

No, the truth is - I love Roxette. Not that it is your business at all but I have loved them for almost 15 years, and I have been reading this forum for several years now, but only now felt this was the right time to jump in.

And my favorite Per Gessle harmonica solo was “Church of Your Heart”, of course!

maiden said on December 11, 2005 09:51:

Starrox, are you aware of the natural method of contraception? I think not, coz if you do you might not have given that statement. I assure you it is totally safe!

DaminehGessle said on December 12, 2005 05:07:

I agree with Santi 100%.

Majdy: People do have sex and people do get pregnant unwantedly sometimes. I know friends who’ve used various birth control methods but would still get pregnant. You can’t tell people what they do is wrong. If someone likes to abort, then they do it.

It’s better to use your head people than religious beliefs or what you’ve been taught growing up. If only everyone were as open-minded as Santi here ;).

Majdy said on December 12, 2005 10:05:

@damineh :

I didn’t mean to say that people who pro abortion is wrong. if I did that then I’m sorry. because I never meant that and I know I shouldn’t ever judge people like that.
but then i think people shouldn’t tell me that I was wrong, butsince they did, I had to defend myself, because as personally I always think that it’s not the right thing to do, but if people wants to do that it’s up to them and I won’t stop them, but I personally will never do that (well, I do hope that when I get pregnant I will be healthy and so does the baby).
I still believe with my opinion and I want to respect others opinion, hopefully they will respect mine too (if they don’t, then it’s okay too, I will TRY just ignore them istead of attacking them)
and again, I have to say I will never change my opinion about that forever.
Oh, I am not mention that because of what my religious belief (which I am still learning because I am still new in my belief). because if I judge thing with that then I won’t agree with same sex marriage (which I don’t mind at all-u can read my reply on my other thread). all I can do now is try to give better response next time. but again, I can’t and will never change my mind about this topic.

Majdy said on December 13, 2005 14:14:

no, it’s okay :) in last few years, I am interested in Christian again.

coyboyusa said on December 13, 2005 15:54:

time for me to chime in.

I am pro choice, whoever I bleive that consent must be gotten from the father, and in the case of a minor a parent or guardian should be notified. But even in that case, I don’t think anyone under the age of 18 shoudl get pregnant.

maiden said on December 14, 2005 12:34:

To anyone who likes to answer this.. what if that aborted child was you?

lovehurts said on December 14, 2005 14:11:

” I know friends who’ve used various birth control methods but would still get pregnant. “

Well, there is people who gets pregnant even if they use birth control, but not everyone , who has abortions.

There is unfortunately lots of people who just don´t care and uses abortions instead of birth control.

blackpearl said on December 15, 2005 05:33:

With that Question about if I were the child to be aborted!

I was so lucky that my parent’s never think of aborting me, we are already been nine in the family..
I’m happy leaving in a big family.. lOts of people to love me and care for me...

I have to thank my parent’s for that, I found love that makes my life here on earth complete...
I’ve met wonderful people.

And I believe natural contraception is the best way not to get pregnant..
Contraceptives are effective but it depends on the user if they really knows how to use it.