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Complaint sent to Visa Kopu
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RoxHard said on January 31, 2005 06:43:
Mon, 24 Jan 2005 / 02:11:20 (GMT).
It’s been exactly a week since I sent this e-mail, and I have not received any reply. Do moderators even check their TDR e-mail addresses? As of now, there is no reason for this topic to be archived or deleted - as I am informing of ’flames’, and not doing it myself. The only possible reason I can see this topic being archived is because some moderator can’t find a decent enough answer. But, even when this topic has been answered, there is still no reason to archived/delete it - as I, and many other people, may wish to reply. TDR isn’t only for the moderators, you know!
“Hello Visa. I would like to inform you of the discrimination that some of the moderators on The Daily Roxette are exhibiting.
It all started in the “250mb Hotmail upgrade” topic.
http://www2.dailyroxette.com/smalltalk/thread.php/12060
In this topic, I was flamed by a member called Zeeshan. He disagreed with something I said (not directed at anybody), and proceeded in flaming. This was backed up by a malicious onslaught of flames by members of his ’cliche’, including LittleSpooky and Judith (her own posts she later deleted). She then left my retaliation posts intact - making me look like the ’bad guy’.
I sent seperate e-mails to those 3 members, trying to sort all of this non-sense out - without messing up the TDR forums.
Zeeshan replied to me with a nice little e-mail containing a virus. I don’t know what kind of virus it was as, before I downloaded it, I clicked on “scan for viruses”. I was greeted with a message saying “this attachment contains infected materials and should not be opened”.
LittleSpooky replied with an e-mail that contained, what appeared to be, a poem. It opened with the lines: “Oh RoxHard - why are you always so mad; Maybe your mother never ironed your socks; Maybe because your clinically sad; Maybe because you have no cock”.
But it was Judith’s e-mail (or lack of e-mail) that surprised me most. I sent her an e-mail that said I was sick of being flamed and, as a moderator, she should automatically deal with this sort of thing. After all... some moderators make such a big deal about flaming - we’d expect our complaints of flaming to be taken seriously. Yet, nothing...
Then this happened: “Pharts” (created by Zeeshan)
http://www2.dailyroxette.com/smalltalk/thread.php/12297
Another nice little display by Judith. She deletes my post - yet leaves one of the worst flames I’ve ever read on TDR’s pages for the world to see! Nice display of friendship, don’t ya think? Keep this in mind... cause she does it again!!!
“Crash! Boom! Bang! Round #10” fiasco!
http://www2.dailyroxette.com/smalltalk/thread.php/12479
Then I experienced another outburst from Judith herself! In the above topic, she insults me for the “10 post minimum” rule, a rule I put in place since CBB Round #1! I messed up the calculations in Round #9, and I had to re-do Round #10. While myself and Rich-UK were discussing the members with less than 10 posts, the name of Mbatalla came up. Myself and Rich-UK are discussing this - and suddenly Judith pops in for a chat. She starts going on about “I’ve met Mbatalla, he’s as real as you and I. And he doesn’t deserve to be discriminated like this.” Sorry... but can only the moderators create rules on TDR? Even when we’re doing a poll - can we not have a say? It’s obvious that this is discrimination on her part towards me.
Current example: “I finally joined TDR”
http://www2.dailyroxette.com/smalltalk/thread.php/12471
Does it make sense, even to you Visa, that she deletes my posts, yet leaves ANOTHER flame from Zeeshan up? If she wanted to remove all traces of the insults, which is understandable, wouldn’t she have also deleted Zeeshan’s post? She even went so far as to delete a simple little message I had posted directly after hers, saying “er... I thought I was”.
I’m aware it’s probably useless complaining to you, seeing as how yourself, Lars-Eric, Thomas and Judith probably have your own little 4 Muskateers “All For 1: And 1 For All” cliche like the rest of the “run to roxette’er’s” have. But: 1) I want you to be aware of the discrimination that’s aparent on the forum and 2) I feel it best to discuss this over private e-mail.
The reason I am, ultimately, complaining like this - is the fact that I thoroughly enjoy using your wesite. I think it is the best resource for Roxette news and information on the whole web. And I hate the fact that some members/moderators ’bully’ people like this - simply because they are not a member of their ’cliche’. I hope you will take this message even slightly seriously.
Eagerly awaiting your reply.
Richard (TDR username: RoxHard)”.
Jud (moderator) said on January 31, 2005 18:57:
You are assuming many things here. Let’s go step by step.
1.
YOU:
“It all started in the “250mb Hotmail upgrade” topic.
http://www2.dailyroxette.com/smalltalk/thread.php/12060
In this topic, I was flamed by a member called Zeeshan. He disagreed with something I said (not directed at anybody), and proceeded in flaming. This was backed up by a malicious onslaught of flames by members of his ’cliche’, including LittleSpooky and Judith (her own posts she later deleted). She then left my retaliation posts intact - making me look like the ’bad guy’.”
JUD: There is no single post deleted in this topic. Messages that are deleted are in fact only hidden, they aren’t seen by you but can still be seen by us. The other moderators can confirm that there is no deleted message - neither mine neither others in this thread. If you wish screenshots can be also sent ;) So you telling I deleted my own messages in this post is 100% wrong.
Further more, I never got any email refering to this thread, besides the one I will refer to later on that refers to the pharts.
2.
YOU: “Then this happened: “Pharts” (created by Zeeshan)
http://www2.dailyroxette.com/smalltalk/thread.php/12297
Another nice little display by Judith. She deletes my post - yet leaves one of the worst flames I’ve ever read on TDR’s pages for the world to see! Nice display of friendship, don’t ya think? Keep this in mind... cause she does it again!!!”
ME: again, none of your messages here has been deleted neither have others by other users. Again, others can confirm. You mailed me regarding this thread. You requested the thread to be archived and I did archive it, but please note, as I wrote in my reply [that either you didn’t get or fail to mention], that THIS one flame was started BY YOU, and please don’t tell me I should remember absolutely ALL flames/posts and connect them with eachother...I have good memory but not that good. I am not perfect, never said I am, and only now I have realised that you and Zee have a “war” going on for a while. You could have as well refered to the Hotmail thread in your email for me to have some reference, which you didn’t. Of course, the “go flame somewhere else” was directed to both you and Zee.
3.
Please tell me where exactly I insulted you in the CBB poll thread because I cannot see it. As I already stated in that thread, Manu is a real person while you assumed he was only a user with multiple accounts, I only wanted to make you aware of the mistake you were doing, plain and simple. I never told you to stop the rule, only that the rule - which you created to avoid users with multiple accounts to vote - isn’t working 100% and that surely people have other things to do before opening account after account to participate in polls. I would have said the same with any other user that I know for sure is legit and “unique”.
4.
YOU: “Current example: “I finally joined TDR”
http://www2.dailyroxette.com/smalltalk/thread.php/12471
Does it make sense, even to you Visa, that she deletes my posts, yet leaves ANOTHER flame from Zeeshan up? If she wanted to remove all traces of the insults, which is understandable, wouldn’t she have also deleted Zeeshan’s post? She even went so far as to delete a simple little message I had posted directly after hers, saying “er... I thought I was”.
JUD: your first post
RoxHard 1/20/2005 17:36 Admin tools: Edit | Show
No no no... zeeshan’s a jerk... don’t talk to him! ;-)
was an insult to Zee, whether you posted it or anybody else would have posted it it would have been deleted. Your “simple” answer to my question saying “I thought I was” wasn’t that simple:
1/23/2005 06:13 Admin tools: Edit | Show
Judith: er... thought I was... keep up little missy!!!
Zeeshan: oh... hello big nose! that must be some nose ya got on ya there - if you can smell my ’shit’ from Pakistan, or whever you are...
was it?
I must admit, sorry, I forgot to delete Zee’s message - which I did now. I also must say I wrote you an email regarding this thread and asked you to please stop flaming and insulting and refered to your reported thread (again). Another email that went lost?
As you can see, I haven’t realised until now that this is more like a “war” with Zeeshan, that it started some time ago and actually by him, and that you are some kind of all time “enemies”. He will receive his email as well. Just for the record, I think Zeeshan has received emails from us in the past regarding other flames so yes, actually he should know flames aren’t accepted.
5.
Here we go again with my clique. Let’s see, this is not a school playground (hopefully) and nobody has cliques here neither is this my bar or my social meeting place. I have nothing to do with Zeeshan or LittleSpooky more than I have with you. I have chatted with them both but the last time might have been 1 year ago. I must say I have over 50 users in my MSN that added me because they found my address in TDR.
6.
You also assume I archived/hide all messages that have to do with you, forgetting there are other moderators in this forum and I can tell you I didn’t archive some of the stuff you think I have. I won’t point anything or anybody though.
7.
Please take into account that other threads and posts are being deleted constantly (even though not that often lately, thank you guys for behaving ;)) - threads and post that have nothing to do with you and that you obviously simply don’t notice/see - whether because you don’t read them or because they have been deleted before you could read them. So don’t think you are the one and only and that everybody here is only watching over you and waiting for you to post something we can delete.
RoxHard said on February 1, 2005 04:59:
Judith:
I think it’s nice how you actually appear to have read my e-mail, yet never bothered replying. It’s obvious from some of those things you said there that you DID infact read it - but didn’t bother replying.
And with regards to those “point by point” remarks you made: you have answered questions that didn’t really need to be answered. I don’t really care about how topics are deleted. It’s great how you’ve totally ignored all of the good stuff, and worbled on about rubbish.
School playground?
COME ON!!!!!
RoxHard said on February 1, 2005 05:03:
from me:
“1/23/2005 06:13 Admin tools: Edit | Show
Judith: er... thought I was... keep up little missy!!!
Zeeshan: oh... hello big nose! that must be some nose ya got on ya there - if you can smell my ’shit’ from Pakistan, or whever you are...”
Yes. And what?
This is simply another show of unity from you and your little “cliche”!! You show my retaliatory replies (once again, making ME look like the bad guy).
Would you care to show Zeeshans post (the one that actually led to me typing that ’big nose’ remark)?
You know the one (the NUMEROUS ones, actually)!
The ones that went something like:
“AAAACCCCCHHHHHOOOOOO!!!
I wonder why I sneeze so hard whenever I feel your presense around in any topic RoxHard. Oh yes, I guess I’m allergic to BULLSHIT!!!”.
Jud (moderator) said on February 1, 2005 07:05:
if you would have read my reply you would have seen that I did reply to your email and in addition I sent you another one when I deleted your posts in the “I finally joined TDR!” thread, before accusing me of not reading your posts, please do read mine.
The posts Zeeshan has written are still available except for the one in ” I finally joined TDR!” that was hidden yesterday as per your own request/complaint and as I stated in my reply where I appologise for forgetting and leaving it there, which you would have seen had you read my reply.
Here’s the whole thing and I am sure anybody who’s not aware about your little fight will agree this flame was started by you, so to put it with your own words, the “bad boy” is still you, you called him jerk in first place.
http://www2.dailyroxette.com/smalltalk/thread.php/12471
Subject: I finally joined TDR!
eBay 1/20/2005 11:15 Admin tools: Edit | Hide
Good morning friends!
I have been reading TDR for quite some time now and finally decided, it was about time for me to join this great and exciting group and start to join in your intriguing discussions! :-)
zeeshan 1/20/2005 12:13 Admin tools: Edit | Hide
Wat took ya dude?
eBay 1/20/2005 13:01 Admin tools: Edit | Hide
I was just never sure if I wanted to be one of them web forum junkies out there! lol ;-) But now I know, there is nothing wrong with being a forum junkie! :-)
LaMan 1/20/2005 15:55 Admin tools: Edit | Hide
Welcome. How long have you been a fan?
eBay 1/20/2005 17:23 Admin tools: Edit | Hide
I have been a fan since, officially ’How do you do’. What about yourself?
RoxHard 1/20/2005 17:36 Admin tools: Edit | Show
No no no... zeeshan’s a jerk... don’t talk to him! ;-)
RobS 1/21/2005 06:35 Admin tools: Edit | Hide
Welcome eBay!
I’m a How do you do-er as well!! u just gotta love that song :-)
eBay 1/21/2005 10:44 Admin tools: Edit | Hide
Thanks for the warm a funny welcome guys, feel at hopme here already!! :)
moin 1/21/2005 10:47 Admin tools: Edit | Hide
Welcome!! Welcome!!!
zeeshan 1/22/2005 03:31 Admin tools: Edit | Show
Edited by: zeeshan (1/22/2005 03:32)
Roxhard: Aaaahhh aaahhh ahh!!!! Oh gawd, I am feeling it again, I feel like sneezing again. I am extremely alergic to bullshit.
Ebay: Welcome to TDR. I know you didn’t ask but I have been a fan since 1989 and I have loved every single moment of it.
So tell us about yourself? like what do you do? Where u from? (too lazy to check your proflie) and things like that :)
z
Judith
moderator 1/22/2005 10:55 Admin tools: Edit | Hide
Roxhard: so who’s talking about flames?
RoxHard 1/23/2005 06:13 Admin tools: Edit | Show
Judith: er... thought I was... keep up little missy!!!
Zeeshan: oh... hello big nose! that must be some nose ya got on ya there - if you can smell my ’shit’ from Pakistan, or whever you are...
Jud (moderator) said on February 1, 2005 07:07:
_Read_ the thread you refered to yourself carefully, everything is there:
http://www2.dailyroxette.com/smalltalk/thread.php/12297
RoxHard said on February 2, 2005 14:08:
Actually Judith: it all started here:
http://www2.dailyroxette.com/smalltalk/thread.php/12060
RoxHard 11/24/2004 03:50 Edit
I have G-Mail, which is 1GB of storage.
I don’t really see the point of having SOOO much storage really. All these companies competing with each other is pathetic . Who will ever need 2.5GB of Storage? I barely ever use more than 30MB anyway!
zeeshan 11/24/2004 23:21
RoxHard... grow up lil one. A LOT of people need that kinda storage chubby.
Zaine: I am reallyy busy. Will tell you ALLL about it when I get enough time to chat. How are u doing?
Lawyer: That’s cuz u r in Pakistan so am I and yes my account is still 2mb. Found an exploit though, so I just might get 250 mb earlier :D
Z
RoxHard 11/25/2004 23:02 Edit
Edited by: RoxHard (11/25/2004 23:03)
Zeeshan: Mee-Oow!!
“RoxHard... grow up lil one. A LOT of people need that kinda storage chubby.”
OK... I get it. But why call me “chubby”? I’m quite thin, actually...
RoxHard 11/25/2004 23:04 Edit
And doesn’t that comment = a flame?
I’ve seen other topics being closed for worse, you know!
Thank Zeeshan, everybody!
Then again, maybe this topic won’t be closed because it is Zeeshan who said it. It seems you do very well in TDR and can get away with a lot, once you get along with the moderator....
Kazza 11/26/2004 02:22
Now now RoxHard.
Maybe he meant to say “chummy”.
Or maybe he was referring to having a “chubby” email account.
TinyBubbles 11/26/2004 12:46
Did you forget to take your pills today RoxHard? :-0
It esculated from there...
Do you think I’d seriously just call someone a “Jerk” for no reason?
roxeteer (moderator) said on February 2, 2005 17:22:
I don’t think that qualifies as a flame. Sorry.
RoxHard said on February 2, 2005 17:48:
Well... when you include that particular person going on about ’did you forget your pills today’... that’s when it becomes ridiculous...
sommartiderhejhej said on February 5, 2005 21:33:
I have read all the discussions, and looking back this is what happened:
- Roxhard was wondering who needed very large e-mail accounts
- Zeeshan reacted on this and BEGAN flaming, calling Roxhard chubby or something like that.
- Roxhard has responded to this flaming
- LittleSpooky also added to it with:
There is the door.—–>
- Judith deleted some comments of both Roxhard and Zeeshan, but forgot to delete a a comment adressed to Roxhard, which makes it look as if Roxhard is more guilty to flames than Zeeshan.
And that is NOT the case.
It all started with Zeeshan’s flames.
In my opinion, Zeeshan should have to apologize to Roxhard first and then Roxhard has to take back his comments as well (but only after Zee has apologized).
Anyway, why always flame each other?
Have some respect for other persons opinion, don’t directly attack that person.
Jud (moderator) said on February 5, 2005 21:39:
How many times and in how many languages do I have to tell that the only posts by Roxhard that have been deleted are in here:
“I finally joined TDR”
http://www2.dailyroxette.com/smalltalk/thread.php/12471
and that the one and only post by Zeeshan that wasn’t deleted was also in the same topic because I forgot to delete it AND appologized AND deleted it a couple of days ago?
posts that can actually be seen in this topic anyway?
Anyway, discussion is closed for me. My explanations have been given, read it or not (maybe read it a couple of times), understand it or not, understand whatever you want, that’s all there is.
RoxHard said on February 13, 2005 18:53:
Are you for real Judith?!
Oh yes... you’re not picking on me... you’re just editing and deleting my comments even when they’re not flames! I’m sick of coyboyusa... can I not express that opinion much like the way you lot express your “all opinions matter” opinion?
http://www2.dailyroxette.com/smalltalk/thread.php/12625
Ridiculous!
This here will be my last ever post on TDR. I’ve had enough of this... Never before have I ever encountered such stupid moderators. It’s totally destroying the fun I once had on these pages.
Bye bye!!
Anarem said on February 14, 2005 04:45:
The world would be a much better place if people weren’t so damned uptight!
roxeteer (moderator) said on January 31, 2005 07:37:
I haven’t received any messages from you. It’s possible that it has been erroneously filtered as spam. It’s currently impossible for me to check all the spam messages for false positives, because I receive over 1500 of them every day.
It’s unfortunate to hear that you feel discriminated in SmallTalk. However, I’m not sure if it helps that you start flamewars like this yourself.