Canadian citizen tortured/kidnaped by US gov.
Ferdan said on November 7, 2003 09:19:
Maher Arar complete statement to media
CanWest News Service
Tuesday, November 04, 2003
Statement to the media by Maher Arar, Nov. 4, 2003.
I am here today to tell the people of Canada what has happened to me.
There have been many allegations made about me in the media, all of them by people who refuse to be named or come forward. So before I tell you who I am and what happened to me, I will tell you who I am not.
I am not a terrorist. I am not a member of al-Qaida and I do not know any one who belongs to this group. All I know about al-Qaida is what I have seen in the media.
I have never been to Afghanistan. I have never been anywhere near Afghanistan and I do not have any desire to ever go to Afghanistan.
Now, let me tell you who I am.
I am a Syrian-born Canadian. I moved here with my parents when I was 17 years old. I went to university and studied hard, and eventually obtained a Masters degree in telecommunications.
I met my wife, Monia at McGill University. We fell in love and eventually married in 1994. I knew then that she was special, but I had no idea how special she would turn out to be.
If it were not for her, I believe I would still be in prison.
We had our first child, a daughter named Bar‚a, in February 1997. She is six years old now. In December 1997, we moved to Ottawa from Montreal.
I took a job with a high-tech firm, called The MathWorks, in Boston in 1999, and my job involved a lot of travel within the U.S.
Then in 2001 I decided to come back to Ottawa to start my own consulting company. We had our second child, Houd, in February 2002. He is 20 months old now.
So this is who I am. I am a father and a husband. I am a telecommunications engineer and entrepreneur. I have never had trouble with the police and have always been a good citizen.
So I still cannot believe what has happened to me, and how my life and career have been destroyed.
In September 2002, I was with my wife and children, and her family, vacationing in Tunis.
I got an e-mail from the MathWorks saying that they might need me soon to assess a potential consulting work for one of their customers.
I said goodbye to my wife and family, and headed back home to prepare for work.
I was using my air-miles to travel, and the best flight I could get went from Tunis, to Zurich, to New York, to Montreal.
My flight arrived in New York at 2 p.m. on Sept. 26, 2002. I had a few hours to wait until my connecting flight to Montreal.
This is when my nightmare began. I was pulled aside at immigration and taken to another area.
Two hours later some officials came and told me this was regular procedure – they took my fingerprints and photographs.
Then some police came and searched my bags and copied my Canadian passport. I was getting worried, and I asked what was going on, and they would not answer.
I asked to make a phone call, and they would not let me.
Then a team of people came and told me they wanted to ask me some questions. One man was from the FBI, and another was from the New York Police Department.
I was scared and did not know what was going on.
I told them I wanted a lawyer. They told me I had no right to a lawyer, because I was not an American citizen.
They asked me where I worked and how much money I made. They swore at me, and insulted me. It was very humiliating.
They wanted me to answer every question quickly.
They were consulting a report while they were questioning me, and the information they had was so private – I thought this must be from Canada. I told them everything I knew.
They asked me about my travel in the United States. I told them about my work permits, and my business there.
They asked about information on my computer and whether I was willing to share it. I welcomed the idea, but I don’t know if they did. They asked me about different people, some I know, and most I do not.
They asked me about Abdullah Almalki, and I told them I worked with his brother at high-tech firms in Ottawa, and that the Almalki family had come from Syria about the same time as mine. I told them I did not know Abdullah well, but had seen him a few times and I described the times I could remember.
I told them I had a casual relationship with him.
They were so rude with me, yelling at me that I had a selective memory. Then they pulled out a copy of my rental lease from 1997. I could not believe they had this.
I was completely shocked. They pointed out that Abdullah had signed the lease as a witness. I had completely forgotten that he had signed it for me – when we moved to Ottawa in 1997, we needed someone to witness our lease, and I phoned Abdullah’s brother, and he could not come, so he sent Abdullah.
But they thought I was hiding this. I told them the truth. I had nothing to hide. I had never had problems in the United States before, and I could not believe what was happening to me.
This interrogation continued until midnight. I was very, very worried, and asked for a lawyer again and again.
They just ignored me. Then they put me in chains, on my wrists and ankles, and took me in a van to a place where many people were being held – another building by the airport. They would not tell me what was happening.
At one in the morning they put me in a room with metal benches in it. I could not sleep. I was very, very scared and disoriented. The next morning they started questioning me again.
They asked me about what I think about bin Laden, Palestine, Iraq. They also asked me about the mosques I pray in, my bank accounts, my e-mail addresses, my relatives, about everything.
This continued on and off for eight hours.
Then a man from the INS came in and told me they wanted me to volunteer to go to Syria. I said no way.
I said I wanted to go home to Canada or sent back to Switzerland. He said to me ‘you are a special interest.’ They asked me to sign a form. They would not let me read it, but I just signed it. I was exhausted and confused and disoriented.
I had not slept or eaten since I was in the plane. At about six in the evening they brought me some cold McDonalds meal to eat.
This was the first food I had eaten since the last meal I had on the plane. At about eight o’clock they put all the shackles and chains back on, and put me in a van, and drove me to a prison.
I later learned this was the Metropolitan Detention Centre. They would not tell me what was happening, or where I was going.
They strip searched me. It was humiliating. They put me in an orange suit, and took me to a doctor, where they made me sign forms, and gave me a vaccination.
I asked what it was, and they would not tell me. My arm was red for almost two weeks from that.
They took me to a cell. I had never seen a prison before in my life, and I was terrified. I asked again for a phone call and a lawyer. They just ignored me.
They treated me differently than the other prisoners. They would not give me a toothbrush or toothpaste, or reading material. I did get a copy of the Koran about two days later.
After five days, they let me make a phone call. I called Monia’s mother, who was here in Ottawa, and told her I was scared they might send me to Syria, and asked her to help find me a lawyer. They would only let me talk for two minutes.
On the seventh or eighth day they brought me a document, saying they had decided to deport me, and I had a choice of where to be deported. I wrote that I wanted to go to Canada. It asked if I had concerns about going to Canada. I wrote no, and signed it.
The Canadian consul came on Oct. 4, and I told her I was scared of being deported to Syria. She told me that would not happen. She told me that a lawyer was being arranged. I was very upset, and scared. I could barely talk.
The next day, a lawyer came. She told me not to sign any document unless she was present. We could only talk for 30 minutes. She said she would try to help me. That was a Saturday.
On Sunday night at about 9 p.m., the guards came to my cell and told me my lawyer was there to see me. I thought it was a strange time, and they took me into a room with seven or eight people in it.
I asked where my lawyer was. They told me he had refused to come and started questioning me again.
They said they wanted to know why I did not want to go back to Syria. I told them I would be tortured there. I told them I had not done my military service; I am a Sunni Muslim; my mother’s cousin had been accused of being a member of the Muslim Brotherhood and was put in prison for nine years.
They asked me to sign a document and I refused. I told them they could not send me to Syria - I would be tortured.
I asked again for a lawyer. At three in the morning they took me back to my cell. At three in the morning on Tuesday, Oct. 8, a prison guard woke me up and told me I was leaving.
They took me to another room and stripped and searched me again. Then they again chained and shackled me.
Then two officials took me inside a room and read me what they said was a decision by the INS director. They told me that based on classified information that they could not reveal to me, I would be deported to Syria.
I said again that I would be tortured there. Then they read part of the document where it explained that INS was not the body that deals with Geneva Convention regarding torture.
Then they took me outside into a car and drove me to an airport in New Jersey. Then they put me on a small private jet. I was the only person on the plane with them. I was still chained and shackled. We flew first to Washington.
A new team of people got on the plane and the others left. I overheard them talking on the phone, saying that Syria was refusing to take me directly, but Jordan would take me.
Then we flew to Portland, to Rome, and then to Amman, Jordan. All the time I was on the plane I was thinking how to avoid being tortured. I was very scared.
We landed in Amman at three in the morning local time on Oct. 9. They took me out of plane and there were six or seven Jordanian men waiting for us.
They blindfolded and chained me, and put me in a van. They made me bend my head down in the back seat. Then, these men started beating me. Every time I tried to talk they beat me.
For the first few minutes it was very intense.
Thirty minutes later, we arrived at a building where they took off my blindfold and asked routine questions, before taking me to a cell. It was around 4:30 in the morning on Oct. 9.
Later that day, they took my fingerprints, and blindfolded me and put me in a van. I asked where I was going, and they told me I was going back to Montreal.
About 45 minutes later, I was put into a different car. These men started beating me again. They made me keep my head down, and it was very uncomfortable, but every time I moved, they beat me again. Over an hour later, we arrived at what I think was the border with Syria.
I was put in another car and we drove for another three hours.
I was taken into a building, where some guards went through my bags and took some chocolates I bought in Zurich. I asked one of the people where I was and he told me I was in the Palestine branch of the Syrian military intelligence. It was now about six in the evening on Oct. 9.
Three men came and took me into a room. I was very, very scared. They put me on a chair, and one of the men started asking me questions. I later learned this man was a colonel.
He asked me about my brothers, and why we had left Syria. I answered all the questions. If I did not answer quickly enough, he would point to a metal chair in the corner and ask ‘Do you want me to use this?’ I did not know then what that chair was for. I learned later it was used to torture people.
I asked him what he wanted to hear. I was terrified, and I did not want to be tortured. I would say anything to avoid torture. This lasted for four hours. There was no violence, only threats this day.
At about one in the morning, the guards came to take me to my cell downstairs.
We went into the basement, and they opened a door, and I looked in. I could not believe what I saw. I asked how long I would be kept in this place. He did not answer, but put me in and closed the door. It was like a grave. It had no light.
It was three feet wide. It was six feet deep. It was seven feet high. It had a metal door, with a small opening in the door, which did not let in light because there was a piece of metal on the outside for sliding things into the cell.
There was a small opening in the ceiling, about one foot by two feet with iron bars. Over that was another ceiling, so only a little light came through this.
There were cats and rats up there, and from time to time the cats peed through the opening into the cell. There were two blankets, two dishes and two bottles. One bottle was for water and the other one was used for urinating during the night. Nothing else. No light.
I spent 10 months, and 10 days inside that grave.
The next day I was taken upstairs again. The beating started that day and was very intense for a week, and then less intense for another week. That second and the third days were the worst.
I could hear other prisoners being tortured, and screaming and screaming. Interrogations are carried out in different rooms.
One tactic they use is to question prisoners for two hours, and then put them in a waiting room, so they can hear the others screaming, and then bring them back to continue the interrogation.
The cable is a black electrical cable, about two inches thick. They hit me with it everywhere on my body.
They mostly aimed for my palms, but sometimes missed and hit my wrists – they were sore and red for three weeks. They also struck me on my hips, and lower back. Interrogators constantly threatened me with the metal chair, tire and electric shocks.
The tire is used to restrain prisoners while they torture them with beating on the sole of their feet. I guess I was lucky, because they put me in the tire, but only as a threat.
I was not beaten while in tire.
They used the cable on the second and third day, and after that mostly beat me with their hands, hitting me in the stomach and on the back of my neck, and slapping me on the face.
Where they hit me with the cables, my skin turned blue for two or three weeks, but there was no bleeding. At the end of the day, they told me tomorrow would be worse. So I could not sleep.
Then on the third day, the interrogation lasted about 18 hours. They beat me from time to time and make me wait in the waiting room for one to two hours before resuming the interrogation.
While in the waiting room I heard a lot of people screaming. They wanted me to say I went to Afghanistan. This was a surprise to me.
They had not asked about this in the United States. They kept beating me so I had to falsely confess and told them I did go to Afghanistan. I was ready to confess to anything if it would stop the torture. They wanted me to say I went to a training camp.
I was so scared I urinated on myself twice. The beating was less severe each of the following days.
At the end of each day, they would always say, ‘Tomorrow will be harder for you.’ So each night, I could not sleep. I did not sleep for the first four days, and slept no more than two hours a day for about two months. Most of time, I was not taken back to my cell, but to the waiting room where I could hear all the prisoners being tortured and screaming.
One time, I heard them banging a man’s head repeatedly on a desk really hard. Around Oct. 17, the beatings subsided. Their next tactic was to take me in a room, blindfolded, and people would talk about me.
I could hear them saying, ‘He knows lots of people who are terrorists;’ ‘We will get their numbers;’ ‘He is a liar;’ ‘He has been out of the country for long.’ Then they would say, ‘Let’s be frank, let’s be friends, tell us the truth,’ and come around the desk, and slap me on the face. They played lots of mind games.
The interrogation and beating ended three days before I had my first consular visit, on Oct. 23.
I was taken from my cell and my beard was shaved. I was taken to another building, and there was the colonel in the hallway with some other men and they all seemed very nervous and agitated.
I did not know what was happening and they would not tell me. They never say what is happening. You never know what will happen next.
I was told not to tell anything about the beating, then I was taken into a room for a 10-minute meeting with the consul. The colonel was there, and three other Syrian officials including an interpreter.
I cried a lot at that meeting. I could not say anything about the torture. I thought if I did, I would not get any more visits, or I might be beaten again.
After that visit, about a month after I arrived, they called me up to sign and place my thumb print on a document about seven pages long.
They would not let me read it, but I had to put my thumb print and signature on the bottom of each page. It was handwritten.
Another document was about three pages long, with questions: Who are your friends? How long have you been out of the country?
Last question was empty lines. They answered the questions with their own handwriting except for the last one where I was forced to write that I had been to Afghanistan.
The consular visits were my lifeline, but I also found them very frustrating.
There were seven consular visits, and one visit from members of Parliament. After the visits, I would bang my head and my fist on the wall in frustration. I needed the visits, but I could not say anything there.
I got new clothes after the Dec. 10 consular visit. Until then, I had been wearing the same clothes since being on the jet from the United States.
On three different occasions in December, I had a very hard time. Memories crowded my mind and I thought I was going to lose control, and I just screamed and screamed. I could not breathe well after, and felt very dizzy.
I was not exposed to sunlight for six months. The only times I left the grave was for interrogation, and for the visits.
Daily life in that place was hell. When I was detained in New York I weighed about 180 pounds. I think I lost about 40 pounds while I was at the Palestine Branch.
On Aug. 19, I was taken upstairs to see the investigator and I was given a paper and asked to write what he dictated.
If I protested, he kicked me. I was forced to write that I went to a training camp in Afghanistan. They made me sign and put my thumbprint on the last page.
The same day I was transferred to a different place, which I learnt later was the Investigation Branch.
I was placed there in a 12 feet by 20 feet collective cell. We were about 50 people in that place. The next day, I was taken to the Sednaya prison. I was very lucky that I was not tortured when I arrived there. All the other prisoners were tortured when they arrived.
Sednaya prison was like heaven for me. I could move around, and talk with other prisoners. I could buy food to eat and I gained a lot of weight there. I was only beaten once there.
On around Sept. 19 or 20, I heard the other prisoners saying that another Canadian had arrived there.
I looked up, and saw a man, but I did not recognize him. His head was shaved, and he was very, very thin and pale. He was very weak. When I looked closer, I recognized him.
It was Abdullah Almalki. He told me he had also been at the Palestine Branch, and that he had also been in a grave like I had been – except he had been in it longer.
He told me he had been severely tortured – with the tire, and the cable. He was also hanged upside down. He was tortured much worse than me. He had also been tortured when he was brought to Sednaya, so that was only two weeks before.
I do not know why they have Abdullah there. What I can say for sure is that no human deserves to be treated the way he was, and I hope that Canada does all they can to help him.
On Sept. 28, I was taken out and blindfolded and put in what felt like a bus and taken back to the Palestine Branch.
They would not tell me what was happening, and I was scared I was going back to the grave. Instead, I was put in one of the waiting rooms where they torture people. I could hear the prisoners being tortured, and screaming, again.
The same day I was called in to an office to answer more questions, about what I would say if I came back to Canada. They did not tell me I would be released.
I was put back in the waiting room, and I was kept there for one week, listening to all the prisoners screaming.
It was awful. On Sunday, Oct. 5, I was taken out and into a car and driven to a court. I was put in a room with a prosecutor. I asked for a lawyer and he said I did not need one.
I asked what was going on and he read from my confession. I tried to argue I was beaten and did not go to Afghanistan, but he did not listen.
He did not tell me what I was charged with, but told me to stamp my fingerprint and sign on a document he would not let me see. Then he said I would be released.
Then I was taken back to the Palestine Branch where I met the head of the Syrian Military Intelligence and officials from the Canadian Embassy. And then I was released.
I want to conclude by thanking all of the people who worked for my release, especially my wife Monia, and human rights groups, and all the people who wrote letters, and all the members of parliament who stood up for justice.
Of course, I thank all of the journalists for covering my story.
The past year has been a nightmare, and I have spent the past few weeks at home trying to learn how to live with what happened to me.
I know that the only way I will ever be able to move on in my life and have a future is if I can find out why this happened to me.
I want to know why this happened to me. I believe the only way I can ever know why this happened is to have all the truth come out in a public inquiry.
My priority right now is to clear my name, get to the bottom of the case and make sure this does not happen to any other Canadian citizens in the future.
I believe the best way to go about achieving this goal is to put pressure on the government to call for a public inquiry.
What is at stake here is the future of our country, the interests of Canadian citizens, and most importantly Canada’s international reputation for being a leader in human rights where citizens from different ethnic groups are treated no different than other Canadians.
Thank you for your patience.
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coyboyusa said on November 7, 2003 12:39:
there wasnt a way you could have trunicated this post or just left the link? Hnestly tho as of now alot of syrian nationals are under suspicion of funding/ arming and aiding terrosit insurgents in iraq. In thimes of war strange things happen I am sure he’s not the only one :)
kachina008 said on November 7, 2003 12:46:
are you the moderator of this forum in anyway coyboy? I don’t think so.
And of course there are many others. That’s what makes all this so shocking. :(
Jud (moderator) said on November 7, 2003 12:59:
not saying he is lying, why should he, but I wonder, how does he know the dates and times so exactly????
I mean, I am sure that they took away all his stuff, including watch.. and then.. read many times that when you are under such stress, pressure etc.. you loose the sense of time and night + day.. ????
StillFar said on November 7, 2003 14:27:
no coy, he’s certainly not the only one...look who else was funding terrorists (sorry Ferdan for adding this to your topic)
1968
George W. Bush joins the Texas Air National Guard, a coveted position that ensures he doesn’t have to serve in Vietnam. While a member of the Guard, Bush meets and befriends Jim Bath, a former Air Force pilot and budding entrepreneur.
1976
George H. W. Bush becomes director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). During his tenure, Bush helps provide training for the Saudi royal family’s palace guard, cementing a relationship that proves critical to the Bush family’s fortunes. Bush also privatizes various CIA assets, with Bath considered one of the beneficiaries because of his involvement in the aircraft business. Bath will later tell a business associate he works for the CIA and was recruited by Bush Sr.
Jim Bath is alleged to be the link between the Bin Laden and Bush families.
Salem Bin Laden, older brother to future al Qaeda leader Osama, enters into a trust agreement with Jim Bath, whereby Bath will act as the bin Laden family’s representative in North America, investing money in various business ventures. Bath also becomes the business representative of Khalid bin Mahfouz, a member of Saudi Arabia’s most powerful banking family and owners of the National Commercial Bank, the principal bank of the Saudi royal family.
1978
Charles W. “Bill” White, a former Annapolis graduate and US Navy pilot, graduates from Harvard’s business school. He is then introduced to Jim Bath who is looking for someone to manage his real estate company. Bath hires White as his partner. Money from the bin Laden and bin Mahfouz families is invested in Bath’s real estate company. Among other things, Bath buys the Saudis an airport, office and apartment buildings, and invests in Texas banks. Eventually, Salem Bin Laden and Khalid bin Mahfouz buy an enormous mansion in River Oaks, Houston’s most affluent neighborhood. Read an interview with Bill White
Bush Jr. was a young man when he received funding for his first oil venture from Jim Bath.
George W. Bush starts up an oil company in Texas called Arbusto 78. Bath will invest money from Salem bin Laden and Khalid bin Mahfouz in this new company. Bill White is told by Bath that more than $1-million of the Saudis’ money was pumped into Bush’s venture.
1979
The Carter administration, through the CIA, begins to fund the fledgling mujahadeen in Afghanistan – six months before the Soviet invasion – in the hopes of drawing the USSR into its own Vietnam.
1980
George H.W. Bush runs for the presidential nomination of the Republican Party, but loses to Ronald Reagan. He becomes Reagan’s running mate and eventual vice-president.
1981
Osama bin Laden, son of the founder of the Bin Laden Group, the largest construction company in Saudi Arabia, travels to Afghanistan to help the mujahadeen in their bloody war against the Soviet Union.
1986
Bill White and Jim Bath have a falling out. Bath then launches 28 frivolous lawsuits against White, leading to White’s financial ruin and expulsion from Houston’s business community. White fights the lawsuits, refusing to take a huge pay off to keep silent about his knowledge of Bath’s relationship to the Saudis and Bush family. Read an interview with Bill White
1987
Harken Energy, a company that George W. Bush’s failed oil companies have been folded into, receives $25-million stock offering underwritten by significant players connected to the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), a Middle Eastern banking concern. Bush is key to Harken obtaining the money.
1989
The Soviets pull out of Afghanistan after the CIA spends (US) $3-billion on the largest covert operation in its history. Osama bin Laden returns to Saudi Arabia, angry with how the Americans abandoned Afghanistan after the Soviet retreat.
Bin Mahfouz, Osama’s brother-in-law, lived in Houston and had ties to both the bin Ladens and Jim Bath.
1988-92
The BCCI scandal breaks. The bank is exposed for being a massive criminal enterprise, catering to some of the most notorious villains of the 20th century, including Saddam Hussein, Manuel Noriega, terrorist leaders Abu Nidal, and the Medellin drug cartel and for being involved in money laundering, the Iran contra scandal, and pilfering investors’ cash. At the time of its collapse, Khalid Bin Mahfouz (see above) was COO of BCCI, and is eventually fined $225-million to settle felony charges for stealing investors’ money.
1991
The first Gulf War occurs, whereby George H. W. Bush is determined to push Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait to ensure the Iraqi dictator doesn’t have a stranglehold on world oil markets. Osama bin Laden urges the Saudi royal family to find an Arab solution, by raising an army on their own to fight Hussein. When the royal family invites the U.S. in to do the job instead, Bin Laden becomes disenchanted with the House of al-Saud. His anger grows when after the war the US leaves 20,000 troops behind in Saudi Arabia. Soon Bin Laden makes a deal with the Saudi royal family: he is allowed to leave the kingdom with his fortune, and will receive funding for al Qaeda from various Saudi charities and banks, but in return he must not launch attacks against the royal family. Bin Laden settles in the Sudan, aiming his ire at the US.
1992
George H. W. Bush loses to Bill Clinton. Eventually the former president becomes an adviser to the Carlyle Group, a powerful Washington-based private investment firm with interests in the defense industry. Among his duties, Bush helps strengthen Carlyle’s ties to the Saudi royal family. He will later visit Saudi Arabia and the bin Laden family compound. The bin Ladens eventually invest in the Carlyle Group. Carlyle buys a company called Vinnell Corp., which provides training to the Saudi palace guard. George W. Bush briefly sits on the board of directors of one of Carlyle’s subsidiaries.
1993
The first attack on the World Trade Centre, which is connected to Osama bin Laden and al Qaeda, occurs.
1994
George W. Bush becomes governor of Texas.
1995
Five American soldiers are killed in a car bomb in Saudi Arabia. The Saudis quickly execute the suspects they arrest, ignoring wishes from the FBI to interrogate them beforehand.
The Taliban come to power in Afghanistan with the backing of Pakistan’s notorious intelligence agency, the ISI.
1996
Osama bin Laden is forced to move from the Sudan to Afghanistan under pressure from the Clinton administration. Neither the US nor the Saudis make an effort to arrest him – despite the opportunity offered up to them by the Sudanese government.
June
A truck bomb blows up the al-Khobar barracks, housing US air force personnel in Saudi Arabia, killing 19 soldiers. A group called Saudi Hezbollah claims responsibility. Eventually, the Clinton administration drops the investigation because it does not want to upset relations between Saudi Arabia and Iran – the country that funds Hezbollah.
The Saudis - including Bin Mahfouz meet with an al Qaeda representative at a Paris hotel in 1996.
Summer
A meeting of prominent Saudis occurs in a Paris hotel. Among the attendees is the head of Saudi intelligence, Turki bin Faisal, and Khalid bin Mahfouz. They meet with a representative of al Qaeda and agree to extend the earlier arrangement made between the Saudi royal family and Osama bin Laden – whereby in return for cash, al Qaeda agrees not to attack inside Saudi Arabia.
The CIA produces an internal report that documents the numerous Saudi charities that are funding terrorists. Osama bin Laden’s name is mentioned.
1998
Al Qaeda makes it most audacious attack to date by blowing up US embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing 224 people.
2000
January
Ziad Jarrah, pilot of Flight 93, which would crash into a field in Pennsylvania on 9/11, is stopped and interrogated at an airport in United Arab Emirates (UAE). He is returning from al Qaeda training camps in Afghanistan and is carrying Islamic religious material on him. The US is informed of the interrogation but not the details.
January
A high-powered meeting of al Qaeda occurs in an apartment complex in Kuala Lumpur in Malaysia. Attending the meeting is Khalid Shaykh Mohammed, the number three man in al Qaeda and mastermind behind the 1998 US embassy attacks, and architect of the USS Cole and 9/11 attacks to come. Also at the meeting is Khalid al-Mihdhar and Nawaf al-Hazmi, two Saudi citizens who would end up as hijackers on Flight 77, the plane that crashes into the Pentagon on 9/11.
The CIA learns about the meeting beforehand and asks the Malaysian secret police to place it under surveillance. Video footage and photographs of the dozen men in attendance are taken, though no tape recording is possible. After the meeting breaks up, Al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar fly to the US on their own passports, landing in Los Angeles. There they are met by Omar al-Bayoumi, a Saudi national who works for the Saudi civil aviation authority. Just prior to picking up the two would-be hijackers, Al-Bayoumi meets with a member of the Saudi consulate in LA – a man connected to terrorist activity.
Al-Bayoumi takes al-Mihdhar and al-Hazmi to San Diego, puts them up in an apartment, signs a lease, holds a party for them, enrolls them in flight school and gives them money. Later, the FBI concludes that al-Bayoumi is likely a Saudi intelligence agent. Al-Bayoumi also passes on thousands of dollars to the hijackers that originate from Princess Haifa, wife of Prince Bandar Saudi ambassador to the US.
May-June
Members of the Hamburg cell, including ringleader Mohammed Atta, enter the US. They are traveling on Saudi visas, all of which contain errors on them.
September
Al-Hazmi and Al-Mihdhar move into the home of a local imam in San Diego, Abdussattar Shaikh. The imam is an FBI informant. In fact, Shaikh holds meetings with his FBI handler while al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar sit in a room next door. Shaikh contends he was never told what mission the hijackers were on. His FBI handler, meanwhile, was never informed by his superiors to look out for al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar.
October
The USS Cole, sitting in a harbour off the coast of Yemen, is attacked by a boat laden with explosives, killing 17 sailors.
November
George W. Bush is elected president of the US in a contested election. Support for his campaign from the oil industry is generous.
2001
In the months leading up to 9/11, the CIA, FBI and National Security Agency receive a burgeoning mountain of intelligence that a terrorist attack of some magnitude, and launched by Al Qaeda, is imminent. They assume the attack will happen overseas.
January
The CIA and FBI begin to piece together the importance of the individuals who met a year earlier in Malaysia. Despite the information they have, neither al-Hazmi nor al-Mihdhar are placed on the State Department and Customs watch list.
April
Al-Hazmi is stopped for speeding in Oklahoma. He is let go because his name does not appear in the police officer’s data bank as a wanted man.
May
The CIA will later determine that Khalid Shaykh Mohammed, architect of 9/11 and al Qaeda’s other attacks, was entering the US as late as this month, despite the fact he is a well-known figure in the terrorist netherworld, his name first becoming known to the CIA as early as 1995.
June
CIA and FBI meet to talk about al-Mihdhar. But the CIA does not hand over critical information to the FBI. Again, the men are not placed on any watch list and a search for them is not initiated.
July
A Phoenix, Az.-based FBI counter-terrorism agent writes a lengthy memo in which he says it has been noticed that a high number of Arabs, possibly with connections to al Qaeda, are taking flying lessons in local flight schools. His memo is ignored by FBI headquarters.
August
President Bush receives a detailed and lengthy presidential daily briefing from the CIA in which Osama Bin Laden and al Qaeda’s aim of launching an attack against the US is discussed. To this day, the Bush White House refuses to release the contents of this briefing to Congressional inquiries into 9/11.
The CIA finally puts al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar’s name on the watch lists. By then it is too late. The FBI and CIA do a limited search for the men.
Sept. 11/2001
The attack occurs. The morning of the attack George Bush Sr. is meets with members of the Carlyle Group in Washington. Bin Laden’s own brother is at the meeting. Members of the Bin Laden family are allowed to leave the U.S. without questioning two days later.
tevensso (moderator) said on November 7, 2003 15:14:
As long as you don’t start talking politics again I’ll allow this. This will not turn into a “bash the US” thread.
DaminehGessle said on November 7, 2003 20:59:
When he was first shown on Canadian Television, all they said was that he was tortured in Syrian prison. Nothing was said about the American government as Canadians are supposed to be nice to Americans. So many people have been treated badly by the US officials these past 2-3 years that it’s just getting out of hand. It’s kinda rediculous thinking about it. Although it’s funny cause I have never had trouble going in and out of US. I have worked there and no problem. I am an Iranian-born Canadian. So go figure. And I worked for a US Military company!!! But yeah they have been mistreating people and put people in jail for no reason. THis whole terrorist thing is going too far for no reason. The more you talk about something, the worse it gets. I dunno how long this will continue. It’s a shitty world out there.
Ferdan said on November 7, 2003 21:58:
No no, I do NOT want an anti-US thread...
just a warning on this war on terrorism, cos it might be going too far. And posting this is just the minimum I can do to make some more people aware, and I knew there were some canadians here too, so... Just informative post.
@stillfar
it’s ok
LittleSpooky said on November 8, 2003 03:37:
My only question is: Why?
To be honest, I’m tired of seeing these topics posted. Because it DOES eventually turn into a Bash The US, or a few members on this site.
Ferdan: I understand your desire to inform us, but speaking for myself: I DON’T GIVE A SHIT! If I want to know about this... I’ll read it for myself in the news. Right now, I’m so FED UP with the “war on terrorism” and everyone’s view points that I’m about to throw my damn computer out the window and go live in the mountains for the rest of my life as a hermit.
From one person to another: GIVE IT A REST!
camillarox said on November 8, 2003 11:33:
LittleSpooky: Take it easy..nobody is pointing at YOU or anybody else from this site, but just at SOME people, and those are not only US citizens.
kachina008 said on November 8, 2003 11:45:
um. not to butt in or anything, but I don’t think it’s “childish”....for the simple reason that I think Spooks is just saturated with this stuff. It sucks when you see this stuff EVERYWHERE (thanks to the media), and I guess it’s frustratiing when you see it even where you expect to find some peace, where people talk about other, less seriuos things like Roxette, and what colors you like :P
I like to hear about stuff tho, so Ferdan don’t stop posting....
coyboyusa said on November 8, 2003 13:11:
we are all by this point quiote wel aware of the bush families ties to the royal saudi and syrian familiaes i am talking about the current situation in iraq. and judith is indeed right. anyone who has ever read anything about people who are sleep deprived and mistreated during interrogation knwo that they lose sense of time and date....sometimes this is just propoganda....kinda like when al sharpton convinced tawana brawley to say a white cop raped her.....and you say I am stupid for believeing everything i read may just maybe you should re-examine what you believe before you red it :)
Jud (moderator) said on November 8, 2003 13:23:
:O a moment to remember! :P Coy agrees with me :)
We all know or should know that in politics + business where lots -and I mean lots of money that we cannot even imagine how much that is - and because one thing is tied to the other, everything is valid and lots lots of lies are behind, so part of what we get to know is true, another part it is not.
Or like the building of the fast train in Spain, they have spent billions on the construction and whose companies are behind it? all related to ministers in one or another way, the cousin of the aunt of ....
or like “this war [any u can think of] is necessary” ... from the early times a war was to get more ground, more properties.. and the reasons now for any war are the same, and the victims are only the same: the “plain citizens”.
Anyway, I like to read these kind of articles and read the both sides of a story and then make up my own conclusion .. if possible, so Ferdan, thanks for your links + information :)
sweet_stalker57 said on November 8, 2003 21:42:
reminds me of a joke! :)
a woman calls a talk radio show and asks how she
can stop her 2 sons from swearing so much. “they just won’t
stop!” she cries.
the host advises her to discipline the boys when they do.
“oh I could never hurt the little angels” she insists.
finally the host convinces her it is the only option.
the next morning the boys enter the kitchen.
“what would you like for breakfast dear?” she inquires of her
first son.
“Aw FUCK BITCH I don’t give a SHIT just give me some MOTHER
FUCKIN corn flakes!!”
Whoosh!! she snatches up the still hot and sizzling frying pan
and leaps over the kitchen table.. WACK!!! right across the
dome and drops the little bastard like a sack of taters.
she then looms over her second son.... frying pan still clutched
in her fist... his carcass like brother bleeding and convulsing
at his feet. “and what would you like for breakfast dear?”
“Uhhhh, I don’t know mom but I don’t want none of them
MOTHER FUCKIN CORN FLAKES!!!!!!”
Ferdan said on November 8, 2003 22:02:
This NY times article talks about the very same case, when it happened ONE YEAR AGO
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The New York Times
November 11, 2002, Monday, Late Edition - Final
THREATS AND RESPONSES: DEPORTATIONS;
Tempers Flare After U.S. Sends a Canadian Citizen Back to Syria on Terror Suspicions
By DANIEL J. WAKIN
Fifteen years after leaving Syria, Maher Arar finds himself back in his homeland, lost in the murky world of its security apparatus.
He is a Canadian citizen who has lived in Canada and the United States, but the United States authorities deported him to Syria on Oct. 10 on suspicions of belonging to a terrorist group. That decision has tested American-Canadian relations and apparently figures into the quiet relationship that the United States and Syria are working out in fighting terrorism.
American officials claim that Mr. Arar is a member of Al Qaeda, but the Canadians say they have no such information. The Syrians are questioning Mr. Arar closely, Western diplomats say, but officially the Syrian government has expressed outrage that he was deported to Syria instead of Canada.
“It’s not democratic, or civilized, really,” said Bouthaina Shaaban, a government spokeswoman, in an interview. She suggested that the United States would protest such an action affecting one of its citizens. “If any other country did this, they would label that quite strange,” she said.
It was the first public acknowledgment in Damascus of Mr. Arar’s presence, although the Syrian ambassador in Canada has discussed the case with Canadian news media.
Relations between Syria and the United States are normally strained, yet since Sept. 11 Syrian intelligence officials have helped the United States track down suspected militants. Syria has been in a position to help because of its deep roots in keeping tabs on extremists after crushing its own Muslim Brotherhood movement in the early 1980’s.
Along with Mr. Arar, scores of people suspected of being Islamic militants are in Syrian prisons, and some are linked to Al Qaeda, according to local reports. One of the most prominent is Mohamed Heidar Zammar, a Syrian-born German citizen arrested in Morocco and sent to Syria. American officials suspect him of playing a role in the recruitment of Mohamed Atta, a key planner of the Sept. 11 attacks, though German authorities are less sure.
As for Mr. Arar, his colleagues at his former employer, MathWorks, a software company in Natick, Mass., have scoffed at the suggestion that he is a terrorist. His wife, Monia Mazigh, 32, says she cannot fathom why he was arrested. She said he had no political involvement and was devoted to his family and his work as a telecommunications engineer.
“If he is a member of Al Qaeda, why didn’t they keep him there?” she said, referring to American officials. “I think the U.S. government made a serious mistake.”
Reynald Doiron, a spokesman for Canada’s Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade, said the Canadians had “never unearthed any information to corroborate or support the American statement.”
Mr. Arar, 32, came to Canada with his parents 15 years ago and received a bachelor’s degree in computer engineering from McGill University, said Ms. Mazigh in a telephone interview from her native Tunisia, where the family had been vacationing when her husband was detained in New York. He had been working at MathWorks before returning to Canada recently to establish himself as a consultant. The couple have two children – a 5-year-old boy and a 9-month-old girl.
On Sept. 26, Mr. Arar arrived at Kennedy International Airport, planning to change planes to Montreal. But federal authorities detained Mr. Arar, and he was questioned and jailed at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Brooklyn. An Immigration and Naturalization Service document introduced at a hearing said he was a member of Al Qaeda, according to Mr. Doiron. He was deported on Oct. 10 to Syria.
He apparently traveled through Jordan, where he was held for 11 days before arriving in Damascus.
The deportation angered the Canadian government, which protested to Washington. It aggravated a sore point over American antiterrorism measures that allow for the fingerprinting and photographing of foreign nationals – including Canadians – who were born in Syria, Libya, Sudan, Iraq or Iran upon their arrival in the United States.
Canadian political leaders and newspapers expressed outrage about the Arar case. “By sending Mr. Arar to that country, the U.S. has given the impression – right or wrong – that it is contracting out its dirty work,” The Globe and Mail said.
Syria has allowed Canadian diplomats to visit Mr. Arar in prison, Mr. Doiron said, something it was not required to do. Syrian intelligence officials were present, he said. The diplomats are passing messages between Mr. Arar and his family. Mr. Doiron said Canada was not pressing for Mr. Arar’s release. “We’ll speak of release once Syrians have completed their investigation,” he said.
The United States authorities have yet to explain on what basis Mr. Arar was sent back to Syria and not Canada, Mr. Doiron said.
“It’s certainly not a friendly gesture between good neighbors,” he said.
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So, what kind of propaganda you mean COY?... who’d make it up?... what for? what would this guy gain from it? what would the Canadian government gain supporting this guy?
MiracleMan said on November 9, 2003 03:15:
I’ll echo Spooky and coy:
I understand the want to inform, but one could have simply just provided the URL and commented on it.
And I, myself, can’t help but feel defensive—that this sort of topic is a prelude to a US bashing.
Post anything you like, but please keep in mind that others may find discussing international politics a dicey proposition at best.
LittleSpooky said on November 9, 2003 08:13:
Beautyqueen: Take some advice by someone who has been on the end of the stick long enough to know:
GO BLOW YOURSELF.
I’m tired of bein set up by Ferdan and others for American bashing. Don’t say your not, because everytime garbage like this gets posted... I have to start on the defensive because it DOES degenerate into American bashing. And I’ll tell you something: HALF OF YOU WOULDN’T EVEN HAVE THE STUFF YOU DO IF IT WASN’T FOR AMERICA AND OTHERS. So think about it. Sure, we’ve screwed up.... but I’ll bet you dollars to pesos that a lot of you wouldn’t have the clothes you’re wearing, the computers you’re using if it wasn’t for American aid and trade.
This is the last post I’ll put here.
Vixzter said on November 9, 2003 09:04:
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woo hoo I found a cure for my insomnia! :)
Jud (moderator) said on November 9, 2003 10:40:
LS and everybody: calm down, there is no need to insult anybody. So far nobody has been bashing the US but a couple of US citizens, which is not the same, is it?
I see that the only person here “flaming” is you LS.., there is no need to call bastards to the others, breathe deep and calm down :)
@ MM: “And I, myself, can’t help but feel defensive—that this sort of topic is a prelude to a US bashing.”
No worries, as soon as this would become an US bashing (or any other country/culture) topic it will be archived, as Thomas already said :)
Jud (moderator) said on November 9, 2003 10:50:
I read some time ago in the papers that a group of Spanish tourists were not let in the US even if they had all the visas and everything fine. They simply had to go back... and imagine, Spain is one of “US friends” now.. I find it totally correct that they want to make sure of all the people that enter the US!!
On the other hand, Spain denied the entrance to a family from some muslim country some months ago too, so it is not only the US closing their fences! I wish some European goverments weren’t that permisive and let everybody in... nothing against other cultures or foreigners, I just think that a country has to first look for its citizens’ security and living, there is always a limit for everything...
It’s like you have a house and you wanna be nice and help others and you go and take lots of homeless under your roof.. this costs you money.. and there are more and more coming asking to live there.. there are already 10 in each room.. you start to feel your money isn’t reaching for everything.. SOMEWHEN you have to say ENOUGH...
About technology and inventions and all.. I think all the countries all round the world have contributed in a way or another to what we have now. Some made the first grammar book, others “invented” our current calendar + months and hours, others invented electricity, the printer, made the first plane, or car or train or computer..or trip to the moon :)
And somebody or force had the “great” idea of creating human beings.. guess this sb wouldn’t do the same now.
kachina008 said on November 10, 2003 09:06:
“And somebody or force had the “great” idea of creating human beings.. guess this sb wouldn’t do the same now.”
heh. sad, but true.
kachina008 said on November 7, 2003 10:21:
Do a google search on
“Maher Arar” for more.