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Should Roxette change their name?
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shammes said on March 14, 2003 12:45:
Let’s face it...Per and Marie are old. It’s the youth that drive record sales and thus pop radio airplay. Kids like stuff that’s new. Roxette is too familiar to them. They don’t want to like their parent’s music just like you don’t. But if they like the music and didn’t realize it was Roxette (and keep Per and Marie out of the videos and have younger models playing their roles) maybe they’d dig it. And they should collaborate with some young USA artists like Nelly (kind of like Santana and Michelle Branch). What do you think?
animalkingdom said on March 14, 2003 13:04:
Had to make another reply after reading your crazy comment again...I can’t believe someone could actually say that - in here! Damn it! Keeping M & P away from the videos and so on. Shut UP!
Roxreporter said on March 14, 2003 13:05:
I don’t think that’s the sollution, what should be left of Roxette by then, nothing!!! And Nelly??? Oh my God!!! You know, that one doens’t have to grow old to get ugly, he already is.
I think Roxette’s problem is now that they’re past 40, they’re trying to much to be hip and modern(HAND), they should just be themselves, go back to their roots and make good powerfull poprocksongs (joyride, CBB), people will accept that kind of honestey. It works for U2 and other bands, if bono and co would suddenly make dancebeatsongs and dy their hair blond they would not be so succesfull anymore either because it’s not their style. I think Roxette made a mistake back there. At least, that’s my opinion.
shammes said on March 14, 2003 13:24:
Take for example Garth Brooks. He released an album In...The Life of Chris Gaines. He did this because he wanted to cross-over to the pop charts without pop fans realizing it was just country boy Garth Brooks. And it worked! So before you call my idea stupid you should realize that big name artists have already done what I have suggested.
Roxreporter said on March 14, 2003 13:44:
Well, then I think these “big artists” are just ashamed to admid they like poppy music and afraid to lose their higher status of good musician. It’s kind off fake. And if they did it for some other reason, well, probably the money, some just can’t have enough of it.
If Roxette releases a record, I want to hear Roxette and see Roxette, a band has need of a personnality and some character.
shammes said on March 14, 2003 13:49:
Think of it this way: if you sit the average teenager down and put on Oppoptunity Nox, they may like it and ask who sings it. If you say Roxette they’ll instantly hate it because it’s not cool to be a Roxette fan. If you played the same song and said it was (some fictious name like Warhead) they’d be way more receptive to the song.
thomasc said on March 14, 2003 13:56:
No way. It doesn’t matter what they’re called, sorry to use this cliche but it’s all about THE MUSIC. Although in america they could change their name to “remember us” LOL.
pietROxette said on March 14, 2003 14:25:
This thread is definitely among the Most Idiot Ideas Ever On TDR ones...
ally77 said on March 14, 2003 14:52:
ROXETTE - CHANGE THERE NAME............... NEVER PLEASE NO......... STUPID IDEA....... GOD I WOULD HAVE TO TOP MYSELF IF THEY DECIDED TO CHANGE THERE NAME!!!
*** ROXETTE LIVE FOREVER!! ***
Amen!!
steven said on March 14, 2003 14:57:
The majority of the music buying world don’t know of their existing name...
...so chaning it to something else will have little effect.
shammes said on March 14, 2003 15:37:
But a lot of people would like to see Roxette as a popular group once again, which I think we would all agree they are not right now. Music buying kids don’t want to look at people in videos that are older than their parents!!! It’s one thing to just appreciate Roxette as an adult-contemporary band with little fanfare. But if you really want popularity some things are going to have to change and I don’t think it’s their music.
animalkingdom said on March 14, 2003 16:19:
@ Shammes
yep, that’s the murder of pop music: sex & good looks sell...what i like about pop music is music.
shammes said on March 14, 2003 16:53:
Don’t get me wrong...with some exceptions I’m happy with Roxette the way they are. BUT, if it’s popularity that you want for Roxette than they may have to compromise a bit. Unfortunately, sometimes you have to do things that go against the grain to reach popularity...like an entertaining scandal or something along those lines.
cskendras said on March 14, 2003 17:38:
OMG it is getting more and more disappointing to read such topics here...
harriej said on March 14, 2003 18:20:
Are you out of your mind!
Do you really think that the media will not directly say:
This is , the new band of the former Roxette-members MF and PG!
Then everybody responds:
Oh, it’s Roxette, but only with a new name.
NEVER!!!!!!!
And that they have to change for the kids that do not like Roxette: With a new name, MF and PG are not suddenly back in their twenty’s.
I’d rather have Roxette the way they are now, than the way you propose.
This is absolutely the most stupid suggestion I have heard on this forum.
japeke said on March 14, 2003 20:25:
Does roxette have to make good music, or do they have to be popular???? i think both isn’t possible....
So, YOU choose....
I choose the first....
marcusvandeursen said on March 14, 2003 20:51:
surely the first...but please, do something about those ridiculous video productions such as qor, ydum, ja, anyone, stars, salvation.... it’s all so distantly I think. Just compare e.g. the video to Kix with Ray of Light (seems like Roxette always become the tryouts for Jonas before making good q clips with the same tricks for other artists...
celrox said on March 14, 2003 21:02:
just an simple question why should they if the teeans in america not ejoy real music and listen to crap like nelly and others that’s there lost so don’t even suggest to change name.
pietROxette said on March 14, 2003 22:11:
Roxette is now making music for a different group of people. If today’s teens don’t listen to Roxette but Eminem or Christina A Gorilla, that’s their decision. If they don’t find Roxette trendy and Roxette’s music doesn’t fit their taste... who cares? MTV-E no longer plays Roxette. But VH1-E does! (Erm, well, only if EMI sends them the videos...) Again, who cares? Roxette still has an audience! If the target audience is not teenagers, it doesn’t mean nobody is interested in them. The main problem is that they are not promoted enough. Most labels promote their artists to teenagers only. But hey, there are billions of others... which is ridiculous...
Santi said on March 14, 2003 22:37:
Yeah, they should. Roxette from Joyride and Crash Boom bang is more different than the last Roxette than Roxette from Joyride was from Gyllene Tider :)
They are confusing people.
LittleGirl78 said on March 14, 2003 22:47:
sorry I was too lazy to read everything.
But why should Roxette changed they name?
What said in Roxette that they must been young ppl. Roxette can called a band who is 18 and can called a band who is 50 also this topic I find really strange.
rox-kuryliw said on March 14, 2003 23:57:
i want roxette to grow old with pride in there name
, as i grow old im proud im a roxette fan.
Ferdan said on March 15, 2003 10:45:
I have a better idea, why don’t we start killing every person older than 30 years old.... they’re useless.
Now seriously, if the wrong thing is stupid teenegers don’t know what’s good and what’s bad in music, why would we go down to their level?.... it’s their loss.
rox-girl said on March 15, 2003 14:53:
I want Roxette like they are! I want that they keep their music style! Why should they change their style?
It´s a joke that everyone wants to make music for teenagers. What´s with the rest of the people? Only a hand full of people are teenagers! I hate this kind of thinking that you have be young to be successfull or whatever. : (
DaminehGessle said on March 15, 2003 22:00:
Well Shammes you are an American who wants the whole world to follow his footsteps eh?!?
I believe Europeans have much better taste in music. Take Brits for example. Which American artist could ever be Rolling Stones, The Beatles, Queen, and so on? Huh?? You’re comparing Roxette’s music with Nelly? I believe we fans like Roxette just because we like their style. And I also believe Per and Marie don’t do this to sell records. They have their fans. Now that they’re known to people who appreciate their music and have enough money to live happily ever after, they just produce records to get their names going. Those who appreciate it, buy the records and those who don’t, well their loss!
I just can’t believe your idea!
Oh and by the way, Garth Brookes did that cause he is a country singer. He changed his style completely in the Chris Gaines album. Completely! And there was only one good song in that album. Who said it was a success anyways? I thought it was a bummer! Maybe in the US it sold alot. Not here and not anywhere else!!
Santi said on March 15, 2003 22:06:
“don’t do this to sell records”... well, yeah... that explains the last 5 compilations (DBUGTTC, BEE, DBUGTTC American, Ballad Hits, Pop Hits)...
nate said on March 15, 2003 22:23:
Sure I want Roxette to be more popular and successful and to sell millions and millions of albums worldwide and to receive the recoginition they deserve - but not if it means they change who they are (their name, image and music). I want the same Roxette that I grew up with, and if the younger generation can’t appreciate them that’s their loss. Besides, I really do not believe that changing their name is honestly going to help their careers, and I’m sorry but the thought of Roxette together with Nelly makes me cringe.
pearls_of_passion said on March 16, 2003 13:27:
What? Change their name? No way! Roxette are Roxette, forever! It would be very stupid to change their name just to be a bit more successful I think. A bit more promotion would be much better!
bunny said on March 16, 2003 18:57:
Im an american, but im sorry, nelly sells not because he has good music, he sells because of his looks and age. Michelle branch, if she doesn’t correct her attitude, she’s not going to be around much more, which i think it is going to be the case. If we want to use the american example, why didn’t an established band like Chicago change their names? That’s because they have a strong following, and Roxette does have a strong following internationally.
LittleGirl78 said on March 16, 2003 19:04:
Should I changed my name?
I have since 24 and half years the same name, now. Isn´t this boring?
Maybe I should changed my name from Sandra to Sandalette?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO
DaminehGessle said on March 16, 2003 21:14:
Zeeshan heyaa :). I’ve been around, not much though. I read the news and answer to some threads. Howdy?
LittleGirl78: HA HA HA! I LOVE MY NAME! I would never change my identity ever!
The thing is that after 20 years, they honestly don’t care much. Ofcourse they’d love to sell millions and millions of CDs but that isn’t really the case for them I assume. It’s always good to target the new generation but that ain’t easy. I grew up with Roxette and the reason why I still crave for them is cause it reminds me of the childhood and teenage years I will never have. Those friends God knows when I’ll see again... That’s why I listen to Roxette and that’s why Roxette and Queen are the only 2 bands I buy their CDs just because I respect them.
harriej said on March 16, 2003 21:38:
Hi Sandra (LittleGirl78),
Don’t change your name, it is OK!
Other topic (only for Sandra):
You are still going to Halmstad this summer?
Then I see you on 30 june, OK?
LittleGirl78 said on March 16, 2003 21:47:
@Harrie: yes, I have book my hotel already and I see you on 30th of june, of course ;-)
wedge_31 said on March 17, 2003 01:07:
hey buddy, the most annoying part of modern music is all of the collaborations. Most artists have no talent on their own so they have to go out and buy whoever they can. Santana and every rapper out there are perfect examples of this.
bunny said on March 17, 2003 03:03:
u know i dont’ even know what the big deal is about Santana. He has one good song, Smooth, but that’s because there’s Rob Thomas and his amazing voice to back it up
squigger said on March 17, 2003 03:29:
I think that it is shallow, fickle, and fashion-ensnared fools like you that permit the modern insanity that is consumer culture to continue to exist.
Without twits like you, marketers could not exist, and companies, music or otherwise, would have to produce something of quality, rather than creating their own markets of suckers by virtue of the stupidity of the conforming masses, whereby people buy not because they like or want something, but because it is required by the latest fad and fashion.
No, I’m not impressed by people like you who place appearance over reality, and who apparently can’t deal with that reality and need some polished, hand-fed euphemism to feed on instead.
And as it happens, I quite like the music my parents’ generation enjoyed. I don’t care that Roxette are not new, I despise videos and colalborations, and I happen to know that the youth market (13 - 18) is NOT where the money is - the money for record sales lies with albums (not singles) purchased by adults with secure jobs - those 20 to 50 - or otherwise financially secure, usually 50+.
shammes said on March 21, 2003 01:51:
You’re right DaminehGessle...the USA hasn’t produced any good musical acts. Oh, wait a minute. I forgot about Sinatra, The Temptations, Elvis Presley, Billy Joel...oh, and I guess just about every other significant artist to ever produce commercial music. Ever here of jazz?? Guess where that’s from? There’s another genre called rhythm and blues. That’s from my side of the Atlantic as well. When I think of Euro music I immediately think of synth acts like the Pet Shop Boys. Euro music is that which can be soley played on an electronic keyboard. It’s about unintelligible drunks like Oasis, right? As a matter of fact, where would Euro pop be without synthesizers, drugs and alcohol?
Ferdan said on March 21, 2003 02:55:
you named artists from a few decades ago.
The newer American music scene sucks...
And well, for the european side there also was a few decades ago the best band of all times, The Beatles.....
and also Queen......, Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, and many more.
DaminehGessle said on March 21, 2003 07:50:
shammes calm down!!
Yes Fredan exactly! By the way, I was not talking about Blues or Jazz! I am talking Rock and Roll or Pop maybe! Most Rock and Roll!
Elvis was just hot for the girls back then. They liked him. He got big. I am not offending his fans or anything. That’s just my opinion.
Look at Queen, Beatles, Rolling Stones, Pink Floyd, Elton John, and so many other artists from 60’s and 70’s era. Not a whole buncha cute muscular guys trying to dig gold and win girl fans! no! Listen to their music. That’s called TALENT. I am a huge Roxette fan but as you see on my above list of names, I didn’t include them. So I know what is called good music, average and bad. Good music shall be pure instrumental not keyboard and synth. I did not want to insult American bands here but think for yourself and you will come to my conclusion.
By the way, Santana is a good guitar player. Remember Woodstock??
shammes said on February 6, 2007 01:31:
Don’t know why, but I just felt like revisiting this crazy idea I had a few years ago about Roxette changing their name for the sake of a rebirth in the U.S. I was just thinking that even though I was almost unanimously killed for the idea, isn’t it ironic that Per did exactly that...he became Son of a Plumber to conceal his identity to win over new fans. Tons of artists have done it...maybe a renamed Roxette isn’t that crazy of an idea after all?
Anarem said on February 6, 2007 02:47:
Name one example of an established artist who changed their name, and had acquired a new fanbase. There aren’t any that I could think of, off the top of my head. “Chris Gaines” doesn’t count, because it was an embarrassing failure for Garth Brooks.
Per and Marie should keep making music that they want to do. If they make money from it, and people happen to buy it, then so much for the better. Why does a band need to be popular and sell millions of records? Just to make a small handful of insecure, obsessive fans feel better about themselves? Puh-lease.
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LittleSpooky said on February 6, 2007 07:38:
Per did nothing of the sort. He is, indeed, the son of a plumber.
I am the daughter of a United States Air Force TechSergent (Retired) and minister’s wife (both my parent’s split when I was younger, so mom’s “profession’s” not the same as it could have been).
My mom is the daughter of a Registered Nurse (deceased) and United States Air Force mechanic (deceased). I don’t know what my grandfather’s rank was when he retired from the USAF, but I know his occupation.
My dad is the son of a Certified Professional Accountant (retired), and school teacher (retired).
My grandfather (dad’s side) is the son of a man who formed a very successful river running company (Hatch River Expeditions), but I don’t know what his mom did.
Do you understand this concept now?
Per only used that aspect of his life as part of his music. His father was / is a plumber. He didn’t change his identity in the least. It’s a part of who he is. Just like the above is a part of my family history.
Do yourself a favour, please stop and THINK before dragging up stuff like this, or posting it. You’re not going to like the results.
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sille-rox said on February 6, 2007 11:14:
@shammes
You mean when Roxette changed her Name and young Models playing in the Videos without Roxette, buy more Kids and Teens her Music?
No, Never!!!! but it´s right good-looking sells kills the Music!!!!!!
I Love all the Roxette´s Music!!!! and I hope Per read that Topic not.
Kenfred8350 said on February 6, 2007 14:29:
It is a fact that the band Roxette will live forever in music history. They should not change their name, it would be like Coke trying to change their formula again. And also, they are not too old! Just tell that to Madonna, or Cher. They should be commended for still recording and being together instead of disappearing like a lot of groups from the 80’s and 90’s did. Kids and adults know when it comes to music, if it sounds good it is good, It doesn’t matter who is singing it. I am STILL A HUGE FAN!!
shammes said on February 6, 2007 14:35:
Dear LittleSpooky,
I appreciate learning about your family history, but your point was lost somewhere along the way. The fact of the matter is that the Son of a Plumber CD was released under the name Son of a Plumber…not Per Gessle. The only place I see Per’s name on the CD case is where he’s listed as the third producer on the backside. So I just feel like the Son of a Plumber CD lends some serious validation to the point I was trying to make years ago…that artists, even Per & Marie, will sell music under a pseudonym to attract a new audience. If you don’t think that’s what Per was trying to do than you’re kidding yourself.
miss-misery said on February 6, 2007 15:27:
Son of a Plumber is not a new name Per gave to Roxette, it’s a brand new project. It’s a lot different from Roxette and a lot different from Per’s previous solo carreer. And I don’t think it has provided a new fanbase for Roxette at all.
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coyboyusa said on February 6, 2007 15:50:
notr fot nothing roxette are very successful, always have been, trends come and go and roxette is a band that has its biggest times inbetween trends. What I think you and everyone needs to realize is is that they have NOTHING LEFT TO PROVE..to you me or anyone else. They are both accomplished solo artists, entrepeneurs, and successful family oriented people. We almost lost marie...LOST her, and all the perpetual whining in here is pretty damn lame in that face of what she’s dealt with, and lets not forget per too, he stood to lose the one person I think he has more ties to than anyone..a best friend. So, the whole idiotic notion of changing their name to be ” popular” when here in the usa it’s still Roxette who is just that idiotic. Would aerosmith change their name...the rolling stones? NO
jesus christ!
phoenixsamudra said on February 6, 2007 15:57:
I think if roxette would caloberate with such useless artists like nelly i wouldn t bother calling myself a fan anymore. the world doesn t revolve about comercial succes in the US, thanks god. Roxette are just great the way they are, and if I can t see maries pretty face and pers silly head in a videoclip i don t wanna see it.
what u don t seem to take into acount is that both M and P have very succesful solo careers an they sure have enough bread on the table every day. if it was about selling records they could still do it.
Young people might dominate the sales of single cds but albums are still dominated by people over 20. what really makes a profit are albums and singles are only a promotional tool these days.
by the way i remember a project called ’son of a plumber’ a while back ;)
Again: THIS IDEA IS RUBBISH
Krischan said on February 6, 2007 16:37:
Yea, let’s obsessively follow every damned trend there is - main thing is the kids like us.
Crap.
sleepingSingle said on February 6, 2007 18:51:
it´s absolutly strange and crazy what people think about just to get the success they need to feel good to like roxette!!! i love them and I don´t care about success and record sale figures...i adore their musik and thats where and how all started and where it will end one day.
i can tell you that the youngers don´t know roxette - they don´t know their name or look or sound. may be they have already heard it must have been love. but that´s all and i don´t care about...and i hope that Per and Marie don´t care, too!!!
To change name means to leave all the past behind you, to question all you´ve done!!! i hope that Marie and Per stand for every little step and every song of their career. There´s no need to change ANYTHING - i love every little masterpice!!! No matter which name it carries...
Roxette för evigt och för alltid!!!
Debora said on February 7, 2007 02:18:
Shammes, I can understand some of your points, but I think that changing their name has nothing to do with their music. I can change my name but it wouldn’t change who I am.
Per and Marie are old: yes, they are not that young anymore, (like Rolling Stones, U2...) but, if we start thinking like that, I have to agree with someone who said that we should kill everybody older than 30, and that would include killing myself before November.
I think the problem about Roxette is that they have no promotion. If their songs would be on the radio, on the TV, if they would appear on the magazines as much as it was in the past, young people would listen to them, because they listen what other people sell to them.
No, Roxette was born as Roxette and it has to die as Roxette.
queenmicky said on February 7, 2007 07:50:
@shammes
WHAT?!?!?!
If you think that they are old, you got a lot to learn.
Come on, please, and Roxette change their name?
What do you suggest they name themselves?
chrisr86 said on February 7, 2007 08:28:
@ shammes:
My parents were who got me into Roxette in the first place when I was a kid. Now I’m 20 and a bigger fan of them than they are. It doesn’t matter to me that I’m a fan of someone who they like :-P
sille-rox said on February 7, 2007 13:12:
“Roxette” it´s a beautiful Name.!!!! it´s a Girls Name!!!
I Love the Name.
nusaderenda said on February 7, 2007 15:15:
Everything more or less is looking so meaningless in this discussion! So, the suggestion is that Roxette, in order to become popular again, change their name, use young models in their videos and take in other people to write their music? Hmm...is there anything left of Roxette then?
FireDiamond said on February 7, 2007 17:18:
I’m sorry but that’s the worst thing I have ever read in this forum. I just can’t believe it is written by a member of this community, of the ROXETTE community! How can you be a member for 5 years (serious fan history) and make such a terrible suggestion? It’s like walking against all the good things Roxette has achieved through their career and throwing them to the nowadays commercial sh!t and why? Who needs them to be on the charts again anyway? We love them because of who they are and all the things they’ve done not because they rule the music charts and are young and beautiful like models. I mean I’m a big fan of HAND and the modern Roxette sound but what you are saying sounds really awful and inappropriate! I just can help but say shame on you shammes!
CRIZ said on February 7, 2007 20:02:
Wintertime is a very boring time....but is that a reason for coming up with SUCH a stupid question?
This Topic is just a proof that you never ever have understood and you probably never ever will understand what Roxette is all about!
ROFL
bunny said on February 7, 2007 20:08:
It’s not about the name, it’s about:
1) Having a record company which is willing to promote your music
2) Having strong singles/great songs
3) Having the right promotion at the right time
Unfortunately, Roxette only has #2 and that’s why they failed miserably in the US.
Cher didn’t change her name, but with the song Believe, she has #1-#3 and that’s why she came back to the top of the charts.
Yuliya said on February 10, 2007 12:46:
Hi everybody!
Yes, they are old but....!!! They are have young souls and hearts!!!!!!!!!!!!! Look at the Madonna. She is old too...but she is young....too!!! Everyone will be old in the future....and what? Even if Roxette 100 years old we will love them!!!!!!!!! And I hope they will never chance name of their band!!!!!!!
animalkingdom said on March 14, 2003 13:01:
oh please. the music coming from the usa is killing the whole industry! and to drag roxette into it?!! what? sometimes i just don’t understand people’s opinions...and what was that you said about changing the NAME? O. MY. GOD.