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Oil Prices
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per_mson said on September 12, 2005 06:44:
@jud: Yeah, you have a point. If the prices get too crazy people start to think, which means thatnew inventions will arise that maybe solves the problem. A lot of gret inventions have been come up with during hard times... so why not a solution to this as well?! :-)
eBay said on September 7, 2005 07:17:
What really annoys me about oil prices is, we, the consumer do not have a say in this, as we do need to get petrol, we do not have a choice but to buy it. It is not the same as with other products where prices will drop, once something is out of fashion or not many people are buying it.
This might sound crazy now, but the UK is not even the most expensive country when it comes to oil prices within the EU.
ally77 said on September 7, 2005 07:20:
I know so I read in the news, I take the bus, or sometimes I am lazy and get my dad to pick me up for work!
For me it’s easier to get to work on a bus, it’s just one bus direct to town which cost me £1.20 each way or £11 a week for a pass! saying that there bus fare have increased 3 times since year because of rising fuel costs....
Some people have no choice to have a car, my dad would be lost without his as he needs it to get my mum to and from the Manchester hospitals.
I do get annoyed though when I see parents near me taking there children to school in cars when it’s a 10 minute walk away.... that is just annoying and lazy, but then again they live on the state so it’s not there money they are wasting!
eBay said on September 7, 2005 07:25:
The frustrating thing about public transport here in Dublin is, you can not rely on it whatsoever. Seriously, sometimes it seems like a third world country when it comes to Irelands transport system. If a bus driver doesn’t feel like driving a route, they just don’t. Sometimes you can be left for hours waiting.
People that drive anywhere even if something is just a minute walk away really make me shake my head. Makes me wonder how lazy this world is gonna get even in years to come.. lol
ally77 said on September 7, 2005 07:35:
I got to admit my local bus route runs every 10 minutes so no real complaints from me.... well I can’t think of any.... now the trains into Manchester that is a different story!
LittleSpooky said on September 7, 2005 08:31:
Salt Lake USED to have a good bus system... but it seems that the General Manager wants a “Rail System with SHUTTLE bus service” rather than a serious system....
And we’re at $2.85USD (roughly £1.54).
But other spots around the country are at $3.50 and climbing (roughly £1.90)
RobS said on September 7, 2005 08:55:
We’re paying $1.40/litre down here in OZ.
And with no public transport around in my town you don’t really have a choice but to pay for it.
LaMan said on September 7, 2005 08:59:
ppl You need to learn to pay for pollution.
Thats the way it goes. I´m happy having no car.
Follow me.
purplemedusa said on September 7, 2005 09:08:
HOW TERRIBLE IS THIS? South Africa is also experiencing huge increases at the moment (obviously not as huge as in the US or UK) but we’re currently sitting on $1 per litre for Unleaded - it’s NEVE been THIS expensive before! And then obviously everything else goes up too!
ally77 said on September 7, 2005 10:03:
For me let the strikes commence.... like last time fuel will run out, and I’ll not be able to get to work!
eBay said on September 7, 2005 10:26:
Hey Spookster, the price for gas in the US, is that per gallon, or litre? I always had the impression it was much much cheaper in the US and that you guys by it by the gallon, whereas europeans purchase it by the litre? Hmm, I might be compeltely mistaken actually.
pwbbounce (moderator) said on September 7, 2005 12:50:
Don’t want to get anyones back up, but in Guernsey we pay around 49p per litre of Unleaded......
coyboyusa said on September 7, 2005 13:01:
What really annoys me about oil prices is, we, the consumer do not have a say in this
yes you do have a say, leave your car at home and use mass transit as possible, install a wood burning stove in your house to heat it in the winter, reduce your use of pertochemically created goods such as plastics and styrofoams, if consumption of crude plummeted the greedy little arab clowns that control the oil supply of the world would lose a couple billions of dollars and the price would go down. You have to rember that demand has risen 3 fold in the past 10 yrs with china emerging as a huge economic monster and gobbling up oil as fast as america does this is what happens
per_mson said on September 7, 2005 13:19:
@littlespooky: You pay $2.85 for a gallon, right?! Cause it would be quite expensive if it was a liter price! ;-)
If it is so I don’t think you should complain. We in Europe pay DOUBLE what you pay!! :(
pwbbounce (moderator) said on September 7, 2005 13:32:
@Ebay. Yeah, we’re part of the UK!! Haven’t got a clue. Normally things are more expensive over here because we’ve got extra shippings etc. It’s quite cool though!
LittleSpooky said on September 7, 2005 16:09:
Gallon (sorry folks).
Americans were too retarded to catch on to the metric system (back in the mid-80s when there was a bit of a “push” for a universal measuring system).
But it’s still expensive if you consider that job wages didn’t go up, and you’re still paying X for rent, X for utilities, X for car insurance (and that varies from state to state / how many vehicles you have / if you have your kids on your plan), what TYPE of vehicles one drives and so on.
The increase in gas prices take a serious chunk out of one’s budget.
Jud (moderator) said on September 7, 2005 16:45:
I remember when I bought my car in 99 (I lived in the country side, no other option as to take the car to go to work) the diesel was about 0.60-0.65 cents/liter. Now I pay a little more than 1 euro!! @_@
Thank god I don’t use the car so much, only on Friday/Saturday to go to the supermarket/shopping center and do the weekly shopping, the rest (go to work, go out...) is all public transport, which is rather good here in Vienna, or at least we have good combinations where we live.
per_mson said on September 7, 2005 16:50:
Well, considdering that we pay approx. $1.65 per liter here in Europe it wouldn’t be more than fair that either you should pay $6.20 per gallon in the US or we should pay $0.75 per liter like you do. :)
ally77 said on September 7, 2005 18:52:
ally77 is moving to Guernsey! I like cows... or was that Jersey.... but I also like potatoes!
LittleSpooky said on September 7, 2005 23:49:
Per: Keep in mind that when the European Union formed and all that, it changed things drastically. When the US was beginning to add states... it wasn’t like we were adding countries that already had their own economy and stuff like that.
And there are some places in the US that ARE paying $6.00USD / Gallon for gas. The $3+ were in Chicago about a week ago (when the issues from Katrina first were occurring). I’ll ask Phil next time I talk to him what the prices are now for gas (he’s in Chicago). I know it doesn’t seem fair... but keep in mind... Europe has an INFINITELY better transit system than the United States will EVER have (I have a friend that used to live in Italy and he bussed everywhere when he was there).
pwbbounce (moderator) said on September 8, 2005 01:39:
@ally. Jersey is famous for it’s Potatoes! Jersey Royals in the Supermarket?? They do actually come from Jersey. Guernsey is famous for it’s Cows!! Yes, how imbarassing! But, the Ben & Jerry’s Ice Cream is also made from guernsey Cow milk. That’s not a lie!! lol They have a herd of Gsy cow’s in USA where they make the ice-cream!!
Jud (moderator) said on September 8, 2005 07:04:
well over here in Europe we also do have to pay for rent, electricity, food (which gets more and more expensive and crappier), etc ;) There are countries that aren’t that good with public transport, my city in Spain for instance, was crap. I guess the smaller the country is, the easier it is to build a good transit network..
per_mson said on September 8, 2005 22:05:
@littlespooky: What does the forming of EU have to do with oil prices?! I don’t know how much you know about EU, but we are still separated countries with our own pricing an taxing. Sweden has for instance the highest tax pressure in the world (despite what the Germans think, hehe), but we still don’t have the highest oil prices. The west european countries do on the other hand have prices that are comparable... There’s never as big differences as you seem to have.
I also wonder where you have gotten this myth from that we in Europe have so fantastic public transportations??? In Sweden the public services are good only in the big cities. The rest of the country is fully dependent on cars. Even in the more populated area of Sweden where I originally come from we wouldn’t be able to survive without a car. It could of course be that Italy have really good services (I can’t say since I haven’t really been there so much), but that doesn’t automatically mean that Sweden, France, Austria and the rest of EU have that.
But instead be happy you don’t have to pay more than you do (even if it is unfair, hehe)!! :-)
coyboyusa said on September 8, 2005 22:09:
too stupid to adopt the metric system eh>? no mayber we’re just independent and don’t like conforming to pacificial european standards regardless lol
Denstandigaresan said on September 8, 2005 23:15:
As predicted, the bus companies are now whacking their prices up.
Soon to follow I expect will be taxi drivers.
£1.04 per ltr it is in the garage on my road. GRRR. Just down the end of the road at the local supermarket, it’s about 10p cheaper (as of yesterday, not seen today).
The UK government will still not back down and reduce tax on fuel. Meanies. :(
Two months ago it cost me about £19.70 to fill my car up. Three weeks later, it was just over the £20 mark. This week it cost me nearly £22.
I’m glad I don’t have to rely on my car as much as some do.
roxgirl_germany said on September 9, 2005 05:12:
I remember when I turned 18 in 1995 and got my “Honey” (rest in peace), I filled up once a month for 50DEM (which is about 25Euros) and that was all I needed. (In the course of the years, whenever they needed more taxes, increasing petrol taxes were a popular means with politicians to raise more taxes.)
Then the Social-Democrat/Green government introduced an ecological tax reform (which is neither eco nor logic but that’s another thing) and since then petrol prices have been constantly rising (was thought to fill the gap in the pensions budget, turned out to fill any gap that might arise - well, politics, nothing new). Now I need 80Euros to make it through the month (I fill up twice a month, go to work 5 days per week, to the supermarket and that’s pretty much it). I passed by a filling station yesterday. Unleaded super (= 95 octan) 1.37Euros, Super plus (98) 1.40Euro. Per litre.
My current car uses 6.x litres per 100km. (Should be about 1 1/2 gallons.)
My mother told me she remembered times when she’d make it through the month with 80DEM (40Euros) for petrol. Now it’s 80Euros. And there is more to come. Remember, we’ll only have oil for another 50 years approximately...
ally77 said on September 9, 2005 21:39:
I heard something on the news about the UK goverment where trying to avoid the protests...
per_mson said on September 9, 2005 22:06:
This old saying that “we have only oil for another 50 years” I don’t believe anymore. That they tried to fool us with since the 70’s and they still find new oil every year to prolong that and continue saying the old and worn “we have only oil for another 50 years”. The oil will of course end eventually, but I still think this is another “trick” from the oil giants to scare us, meaning they can charge us more.
roxgirl_germany said on September 10, 2005 05:03:
I don’t want a car that runs with gas anyway - give me one that runs with nothing. :-D
roxgirl_germany said on September 10, 2005 08:10:
Read this morning that the future are hybrid cars - well, that’s fine with me. Develop them and sell them at an affordable price...
(Prius starting from 23,000Euros unfortunately...)
Denstandigaresan said on September 11, 2005 14:32:
Well, sod me. Petrol prices went down yesterday! The garage under me that was like 1.04, is now 97.9... and sainsburys is down to 91.9... going dooooown. YAY!
You would think after all these years someone would invent a car that ran on something like Lemonade!
per_mson said on September 11, 2005 22:41:
@roxgirl: Prius is apparently not a very good car after what I heard. A lot of celebrities bought such a thing when they were new just because they wanted to be good to the environment and so on. But a big problem with hybrids is, as the name says, that they have two engines. So you more or less have to drag around an extra engine when using the other one. I think that the Prius in some cases uses both the engines to have full power, but far from all the time. And as logic tells us: Weight uses more fuel... So what I heard is that the car is not at all that economical (I use BBC’s Top Gear as a reference here since they know what they are talking about). So I don’t think that a two engine solution is the future. I think rather that fuel cells (and only fuel cells) is something interesting.
roxgirl_germany said on September 12, 2005 04:56:
@Per: Well, that’s one of the “problems”. Having two engines, all the additional weight (can the rest of the car make up for it?), I heard it was not such a good car to use when you drive rather a lot (what I don’t but still)... I wouldn’t buy such a car anyway because it’s way too expensive. For the money, I can get the car that I already have TWICE...
Jud (moderator) said on September 12, 2005 05:46:
hehehehe some EU minister said he thinks prices can go higher and higher.. and reach 2 Euro/liter :D
Maybe the prices should really become crazy so people start to realise that there are other means to go to work and take the kids to the 5-min far away school.
ally77 said on September 13, 2005 12:46:
The queue at ASDA today was just unreal.... some people buying.... I can’t get over how some people can be so obsessed over petrol....
If these protests go ahead then I think it should be limted to who can buy petrol and not.... those that have to have cars for important jobs, firefighters, police, ambulance, medical etc... and then petrol for disbled people etc....
Personally though I think the goverment will back down!
Oldag75 said on September 13, 2005 17:02:
This idiot drooling Bush-hater liberal woman with whom I work was upset, several years ago, because the price for gasoline in Europe was so much higher than our prices in the USA – and she thought the gas prices in the USA should be higher, so that we could have parity with Europe (her explanation made no sense whatever). Well, our gas prices are a lot higher now, and she is even more upset because it costs her so much to drive. One would think she would be happy now, since she got her wish... but it’s apparent she just boils with anger and hatred because Bush is in office. She ought to simply use that anger/hatred to run everywhere, and then she wouldn’t need to drive (and buy gas). People could tell where she’s been by following the drool trail.
Jud (moderator) said on September 13, 2005 19:29:
ally: what protests? :S
ok found it:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4241162.stm
per_mson said on September 13, 2005 23:01:
@Oldag: Since you Americans like to drive around in cars where only the engine is bigger than a small Korean car and therefore consumes an enormous amount of gasolin, I think it is not more than fair that you should pay at least as much as we in Europe do. The reason is that this maybe (probably not, but it is worth a shot) can teach you that those “monsters” are useless and only bad for both the nature (which is maybe pointless to discuss with someone whose leader want to start exploiting the nature reserves...) and our environment. I really want lower gas prices, but since oil after all is something that eventually will end we should maybe try to use what we have left in a more economic way (that also goes to the German cars and their hysterical horsepower competition).
Denstandigaresan said on September 14, 2005 00:05:
Not gone up, but not gone down either.
I meant to fill my car up but never got around to it. Apparently fuel protests are starting today.
Grrrrrreat.
Not for the fact they’re doing it, good on um... last time petrol prices went down and stayed down for a good while. But the fact what ever way I go to work I have to pass 3 or more petrol stations to get there. If bulk buying is gonna happen like last time and the queues that came with them, I think I had better start for work now!! (1am now! LOL!) Roads will be chocka!
roxgirl_germany said on September 14, 2005 04:42:
They have just reported about the long queues in the UK in the news on the radio!
Jud (moderator) said on September 14, 2005 06:16:
lol about the “monsters” I always get amazed when I see what crap cars they drive at “pimp my ride”!!!! A friend of mine has relatives in America and I asked her if cars there are REALLY that horrible, of course there’s a bit of everything, but some people DO really those falling-appart cars @_@
ally77 said on September 16, 2005 14:08:
There is nothing in the news about those protests today, guess they must have fizzled out... and there is no problems getting petrol here in my town!
pwbbounce (moderator) said on September 17, 2005 11:41:
In Guernsey there has been a 15p increase in the last 2 weeks!! Still 40p below you in the UK though.....
LittleSpooky said on September 17, 2005 19:39:
Utah still hovers below the $3.00 mark, but for someone who doesn’t HAVE a job...well... that might as well be $3million.
ally77 said on September 20, 2005 20:07:
Prices have gone down in my town, saw it today at just 90.1p
ally77 said on September 7, 2005 07:12:
Oh dear, look at the news, the UK could be getting another Petrol War from the 14th September....
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4221296.stm
Prices have gone past the £1 mark for unleaded petrol!