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R2R FORUM MODERATOR GETS PLEASURE FROM BOMBINGS
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steven said on July 8, 2005 05:48:
Apparantly, a moderator named “Baio” on the “Run To Roxette” forum believes that the deaths from London’s Bombings (and indeed 9/11) were justified!
http://forum.roxette.org.ar/index.php?topic=1763.0
Incredible.
tevensso (moderator) said on July 8, 2005 06:38:
You agree?!!? How sick can you be? If using that way of thinking you can justify all violence in the world.
ally77 said on July 8, 2005 06:52:
Yeah I argued with him about this last night.... all I can say is he is a sick sad moron! :( think I might just about stuff that forum from now on.... see no point in supporting something or someone who thinks what happened yesterday was justified... :(
pwbbounce (moderator) said on July 8, 2005 07:47:
@ LaMan. How can you think that 3000 people deserved to be killed that way? What is wrong with you. I’m sure if the terrorists had slammed 2 planes into a landmark building in Tallin you wouldn’t feel the same. Speaking as someone who was in NYC on 9/11 (indeed 6 blocks away when the first plane hit) it’s something I will never forget for as long as I live. I can’t believe that some who isn’t connected to the whole Terror network (maybe you are??) can think like this. What had all those people done to deserve to be killed?
Apparantly, Denmark and Italy have been warned about possible attacks. Do they deserve it as well LaMan?? Of course not. No one does, just like the 37 confirmed dead yesterday.
You need to think yourself lucky that it didn’t happen to you. But maybe you’d think that you deserve it to... SICKO!
Sparvogamarie said on July 8, 2005 08:19:
We ask ourselves how people can be sick enough to do something like this - the answer is people like Baio who support this kind of murder. (LaMan is what is known on other forums as a “troll” - someone who deliberately posts inflamatory comments to get a reaction from other members)
carbon_boy said on July 8, 2005 08:26:
@ PWB: I second that! You must be seriously sick to approve 9/11 and the London attack.
GT_85 said on July 8, 2005 08:30:
LaMan: In that case, Estonia deserved to be under the sovjet leadership for decades. Id*ot.
purplemedusa said on July 8, 2005 08:36:
I don’t think that LaMan meant that he approved of the actual killing of ppl on 9/11...
Personally i condem any form of murder; there’s more civil ways of dealing with issues - something that the US (Bush admistration in particular) doesn’t seem to grasp! I feel Bush lust for revenge cause a ripple effect that led to yesterday’s senseless acts of terrorism! (FYI this is my opinion) HOW LONG IS THIS STILL GONNA CONTINUE!! WILL SOMEONE PLEASE FIND THE SOURCE OF THE VIOLENCE AND SOLVE THE DISAGREEMENTS WITHOUT SHEDDING A DROP OF BLOOD! FORHEAVEN’S SAKE WE’RE IN THE 21ST CENTURY NOW!!!
GT_85 said on July 8, 2005 08:40:
The american, brittish, danish and italian (among others) soldiers are in Iraq to protect them (the people of iraq). Against arabic terrorists.
To kill their people is a Nice way to thank them, i must say. Or maybe not.
ally77 said on July 8, 2005 09:12:
@ LaMan, so your from Estonia.... ummm I did wonder... such a wonderful country, shame it’s got you....
tevensso (moderator) said on July 8, 2005 12:31:
So the terrorists have succeeded in killing another bunch of innocent victims. Both in the UK and back home, because who believes the US will stop now?
And I hope the UK joins in and bombs the terrorists back to the stone age for good.
The western world has had it with Muslim terrorists. (And NO, I’m not saying all Muslims are terrorists, however, all terrorists seem to be Muslims...)
Jud (moderator) said on July 8, 2005 13:06:
and do you think he feels sorry for what he said/thinks and for the victims? The only thing he’s worried about is WHY I posted his words + translation in the English forum and made it “public” (as if it wasn’t public enough to post that in a forum)
Santi said on July 8, 2005 13:13:
@Thomas: Well, in Spain ETA was (and probably still is) closely linked with the Catholic Basque Church, and IRA were Catholics as well...
StillFar said on July 8, 2005 13:25:
Before someone will tell me that I get pleasure from seeing innocent people die...I do not and there is no justification for either of those attacks.
However, it strikes me how the world is handling the issue. We in the western world believe in our form of society, in our democracies and we value its advantages.
At the same time many Muslims feel the same way about their systems and their fatherlands. To us many of their practices seem to be cruel and uncivilized, but because of their history and their social structures, those Muslims might not see it the way we do.
So basically we have two systems which work in different ways but both have a following.
Now it’s hard to argue that there is a system that doesn’t have flaws and although we truly believe in democracy, there are many things that we just like to ignore. Globalization allows our companies to manufacture in the poorest areas of the world for wages that border close to slavery. We pollute the world; we have extremely high rates of cancer (and all sorts of other deadly diseases) because of it and we continuously destroy the planet that is housing is although there are many warning signs which should tell us that we have to do something about it.
I’m ‘only’ 27, but ever since I can remember those two systems clashed in one form or another. Sometimes a section of each system was tied to its counterpart in order to fight a third party. Once that tie broke loose, it often happened that those two parties ended up fighting each other. So generally those systems have fought a long war and I think it’s pretty impossible to find a starting point in all that.
We judge the New York / Madrid / London attacks (rightly so), but is what we’re doing so much better? Seriously, after the invasion of Kuwait until the invasion of the ‘coalition of the willing’, has anyone of you heard anything regarding Iraq being a country of terrorists? Have they posed any danger? Well, I don’t want to question this particular war again, but my point is, we justify the invasion with reasons that turn out to be false but we still believe in doing the right thing. At the same time thousands of innocent people died. The number of US / Spanish / British victims is surely outnumbered by the victims in Iraq. What do we think we can achieve by that, considering that the guy who is the face of the terrorist network is still a free man and not even in the country where the main military actions of the western countries take place? Isn’t it possible that for every civilian we kill in those countries there will be someone who is willing to die for his/her country because of it?
Isn’t there a chance that by killing civilians in that region, we will only help there cause in spreading hate where hate against the west is already very common. Aren’t we doing the same thing gangs do on the street: we get attacked, we seek revenge, we get attacked again, we seek revenge with a stronger force,…
So I believe, like me, most people wouldn’t be able to tell you when this war started. Basically it depends on where you are geographically! We believe we fight for a good cause, but don’t they too? Who says that what we’re doing is right?
Isn’t it time to demonstrate being civilized nations, a word we hold so very dear?
tevensso (moderator) said on July 8, 2005 13:27:
@Santi: True, and there used to be German terrorists as well. But I mean these recent happenings. Clearly I want ALL terrorists dead. :)
ncurran said on July 8, 2005 13:46:
I dont think that most terrorist attacks are carried out by muslims. Those are just the most high profile attacks over the past few years.
The IRA are still an active terrorist organisation in Ireland, aswell as their protestant equivalents the UDF and UVF.
Then there are the “christians” who create bomb scares at abortion clinics.
Certainly, al quaida is the most talked about in western news, but probably has fewer active members than an organisation like the IRA
steven said on July 8, 2005 14:10:
Good grief...
He’s going on about the Falklands War now, which ended over 20 years ago.
What a moron.
rox-kuryliw said on July 8, 2005 14:24:
most terrorist attacks are carried out by muslims in this day and age. IRA are no our main concern sure they are still problems there but not as much as islamic extremists.
ncurran said on July 8, 2005 14:49:
Yes perhaps, but the size of al quaida is WAAAYYY over exaggerated. There are probably only a couple of hundred members worldwide. Experts are saying that the London bombings could have been carried out by as little as 3 people. It was a very unsophisticated attack
Vixzter said on July 8, 2005 15:08:
i think i will stay away from that forum and topic otherwise i think i might regret what i say ;-(
rox-kuryliw said on July 8, 2005 15:34:
ncurran thats what we know of so far , i mean they had no idea this was gonna happen did they , who said its not building in members and someone is backing them with vast amounts of money now ?! now there is a scary thought. :-S
purplemedusa said on July 8, 2005 15:39:
Mmm why not use that money to buy COOKIES for thenselves & the hungry in Africa... COOKIES makes EVERYONE smile!!
purplemedusa said on July 8, 2005 15:41:
On second thought... wouldn’t the world be a better place if we could all resolve our differences over COOKIES & tea?
ally77 said on July 8, 2005 16:30:
I have the conclusion that Baio and people who think like him are just stupid! It really is that simple...
LoneGunman said on July 8, 2005 18:28:
@ally - I´m with you ! Stupid morons. But it´s not a surprise... Baio is from Argentina, isn´t he ? People there hate UK because the war in Falklands in the past. I remember in 2002, when Brazil faced England in the quarter finals of the World Cup that an argentinian journal called “Ole” said that the best thing that could happen that day was a bomb in the stadium where both Brazil and England were playing.
So, it´s not for free... they feed this hate to UK for generations. That´s the true.
ally77 said on July 8, 2005 18:56:
Yeah I hear what your saying there are still a lot of older people that don’t like Germans because of the war over here, it’s so crazy... all these years on and they still go on about it! :s daft....
People need to remember to live and let live...
coyboyusa said on July 8, 2005 19:09:
sad thing is he isnt alone there are alot of fundie muslim retards who should have been ended at birth who think its justified, this when blair really seems to be the only high profile politician trying to help poor countries
baio said on July 8, 2005 22:40:
I’ve never had an anti-USA nor anti-UK feelings.
I still remember my feelings that 9/11, I did cry. I have to containg my tears when Lars told us about his personal history, but when I saw what USA/UK/SPAIN did in Irak my feelings started to change.
The only country whose ppl where totally against the Irak invation was Sapin. But at that moment I thought the bad ppl where only governators.
But when Bush won again I find that most of the north american are with Bush. The same with Blair in UK.
But in Spain things changed, the governator lost.
If I have to apologise is with Jorge because he is being injured because my words.
I was R2R modeartor since day 1 because our friendship that now I guess no longer exist, as soon he saw about my posts he set me as a normal user, So I think other ppl shouldnt attack him.
I don’t support terrorism, but I do think the biggest terrorist in the history are UK and USA and I know it wont change because my posts and no one can change my pint of view, but what I think shouldn’t affect to Jorge, even if I’m worng... ¿Don’t you think?
ncurran said on July 8, 2005 23:05:
baio, the majority of the british public disagreed with the war in iraq. A million people took to the streets in London, and there were demonstrations up and down the country. Our election was not a referendum on the war, especially considering both the main parties supported the war, however the 3rd party in the UK did make significant gains from Labour. They never had a chance of winning, but i do believe that a lot of the votes they took from Blair were due to his stance on the war on terror.
I would be the first person to criticise UK and US foreign policy in the middle east. I think it is a disgrace actually, and i fully understand why many countries have bad feelings towards our governments.
HOWEVER, your comments were way out of order. Just as I dont condone my government killing innocent people in iraq, i cannot condone the killing of innocent people on the streets of London, no matter how much people feel they have been provoked. The attacks on London were barbaric.
It might also be interesting to note that the area of Edgeware Road has many middle eastern cafes and restaurants, so the people that these animals claim to be protecting were one of the main targets of this operation.
I would ask you to seriously think about the comments that you made. I do not have a problem with you criticising our governments, but to almost applaud the killing of innocent civilians is reprehensible.
Staffany said on July 9, 2005 00:10:
LoneGunman said:
“I´m with you ! Stupid morons. But it´s not a surprise... Baio is from Argentina, isn´t he ? People there hate UK because the war in Falklands in the past. I remember in 2002, when Brazil faced England in the quarter finals of the World Cup that an argentinian journal called “Ole” said that the best thing that could happen that day was a bomb in the stadium where both Brazil and England were playing”
As long as I know you are Brazilian, you don’t live here. Then, you don’t how are our feelings about UK and the people living there. People here don’t hate UK. You should know we are receiving loads of tourists here, and people from UK is included. Any case of agression was never reported. If we hate British people, it would be very natural, but it never happened. And you should know Argentina and the UK were involved in a mutual relationship since the colonial times
- They were the main providers of European manufactures, and they bought a big part of our meat production.
- The first railway was builed by an English company, and the trains belonged to English companies until the 50’s, when the Argentine State bought them.
- The football was introduced by the English inmigrants. Same happened about the rugby, that is very popular here. And polo, Argentina has the best horses to play it. Most of them are exported to the UK.
- Many cities in the Patagonia were founded by Welsh settlers, who left Waled in the 19th Century. Towns like Gaiman, Dolavon, Trelew, Rawson and Puerto Madryn (Madryn Port) are typically Welsh, architectonically and culturally, with many tea houses and typical choirs in the churches. They keep the old forms of spoken Welsh, that’s why experts from UK came here to study that.
- Some British families own big properties here, mainly specialiced in horse nursing, to be exported for polo competitions.
- British Royal family members visit this country very often. Last year Prince Harry spent a little time here. Sarah Ferguson came after that. And Prince Charles comes very often, usually to play in polo matches.
- Personally, I have many British friends: Gary (from Chelmsford), Jamie (from Colchester), and they are not Roxette fans. I have talked and laughed load of times with Steven and Rich (RichUK), and we never had any problem. I never mentioned the Malvinas/Falklands matter, and they can assure that. I don’t blame people for mistakes that a government had done in the past. Those islands were stolen, but people can’t be blamed for that. That’s why I don’t talk about that, because they have nothing to do.
After that, can you still say we hate UK and British people? You should read a lot, and not say innacurate and stupid things like you use to do. Apparently you have a big complex about Argentina. On other topic, people was talking about Brazilian TDR members, and you started a flaming against Argentina, based in football. Coments like “Chupa Argentina” are very derogative. Nobody was talking about Argentina nor football, I don’t know why you said that. Maybe you are envy about Argentina, because you are always ready to say something bad about us.
LoneGunman said on July 9, 2005 01:47:
@ Stafanny - Dear, I think you´re getting too nervous about my jokes (in other topic) with Argentina´s soccer.
I´ll repet... SOCCER.. which has NOTHING to do with this topic.
About “Argentina vs UK”, it´s a true and known fact... of course it´s not every single person in your country, but sure it´s a hate that you feed... And to pretend that it doesn´t exist is the true LIE !! Read R2R topic where other guy talked about it, read your “Diario Ole” and “Clarin”, do a Google search for “Falklands” or “Malvinas”, whatever... it´s a historical fact. Period. And this feeling is sure into Baio´s text in R2R.
As I sad before, don´t get mad at me... I´m just joking with my argentinians friends in here and you get all mad about it. Grow up and relax.
You don´t like the “Chupa Argentina” ? Why you said that to me too ? Anyway, the best one in Brazil now is... “PEDALADA Stafanny”
No hard feelings, please.
PS> About the topic itself... Even if 100% of the England people voted for Blair this don´t justify the dead of 50 innocent people. If they voted on Blair, is because they believe in him somehow, not that they deserve to die like that.
Sparvogamarie said on July 9, 2005 03:13:
Whether or not you agree with the attacks on Iraq, you can’t call it terrorism. Terrorism is when you sneak around planting bombs or hijacking planes to hurt innocent people. A war is when a country openly declares their attack, and try to take out the leaders and military of the country. Civilian casualties happen of course but are usually not deliberately intended. I don’t think you can compare the two, and anyway 2 wrongs don’t make a right. To say “Well terrorism is wrong but the US are the biggest terrorists” is almost saying that it’s ok to attack a country if they did something wrong first. That’s exactly how the terrorists think, they believe the US and UK have wronged them so they blow them up. It’s childish.
ally77 said on July 9, 2005 07:23:
@ Baio ..... I hear what your saying, as as ncurren as said most of the British public hated the war in Iraq it was an awful thing for this country to get involved in and I for one am totally against it as are most of my friends and family...
Your comments about London where out of order, but it’s your opinion, Those people that died on Thursday, how do you know they supported the war? how do you know they where even British people who where killed.
The point is that you are assumming that everyone here in the UK thinks like Blair and it is not the case. Everyone is different....
Jorge is not being punished I think you’ll find that Steven has resolved his support about R2R on his website, since he took appropriate action and removed you as a moderator.
War will always be pointless whichever way you look at, as I have said before in this day and age we should all beable to communicate and get on with each other!
Perhaps we should put an end to this now... I don’t see the point in going on.... At the end of the day this is Baio’s comments, he has to live with what he said, many don’t agree but that’s the world we all don’t have to agree with each other, the world would be a boring place if we did.
LaMan said on July 8, 2005 06:06:
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