tevensso (moderator) said on October 12, 2004 22:12:

I have to agree, he rocks with it!

coyboyusa said on October 13, 2004 14:12:

the johnny cash version f=of hurt by nine inch nails is the best the song is so barren and hollow in a way nine inch nails could never have done it. I usually hate covers but I swear manson has really brought out the soul in the song, its more driving pounding n industrial in a way depeche mode couldn’t do it :)

coyboyusa said on October 13, 2004 22:44:

manson is an aquired taste either you love him or hate him. U*nfortunately the us and international releases of the hit packages are different. However both contain alot of songs off his last 2 albums ..they aren’t the best. But the special edition has a dvd wit alot of his videos and is worth it. If I were you I’d but antichrist superstar first, and then mechanical animals the latter being one of his best cause its manson putting his take on bowie which is awesome

carbon_boy said on October 14, 2004 11:22:

@RoxHard: Go buy that cd! Its worth it - trust me. If you like those 6, you’ll love the others as well. You might just end up buying his whole back catalogue ;o)

on_a_mission said on October 14, 2004 17:21:

i haven’t heard the song. but Id like to. he looks like he hasn’t washed EVER though. He always looks like he’s covered in shit.

Roxette-atic said on October 14, 2004 22:10:

MM is great. I love their “Best Off”-album esp. Mobscene and The Beautiful People.

RoxHard said on October 14, 2004 23:59:

One of the things I respect about Manson is the fact that he pisses everyone off, and when the whiny middle-aged americans moan about him - he counter-reacts with the best arguments!

People don’t expect him to have a brain under all that make-up!

I’m gonna buy the Best Of this Saturday. And whatever album has The Fight Song on it - that’s the album I’m gonna buy next. I FRIGGIN’ LOVE THAT SONG!!!

coyboyusa said on October 15, 2004 10:09:

fight song rule as does love song off the same album, actually theres a manson cover of one of his singles that is hand drawn by him and its errily broken looking like the marie single cover for 2nd chance kinda odd. Manson is supposedly gonna get married to the modle he’s been dating, lol could you imagine :)

on_a_mission said on October 17, 2004 10:41:

oh I can.....it’ll be like the antichrist Beckams. Roll on that....

carbon_boy said on October 18, 2004 07:22:

@ Coyboy - the man paints. His selfportrait is used for The Best Of....

He’s marrying Dita Von Teese - she’s a well-known burlesque artist. She did vocals on Golden Age of Grotesque.

:o)

coyboyusa said on October 18, 2004 14:06:

u hve to love the beautiful epoepl that was his biggest single and its a kick ass halloween song

RoxHard said on October 21, 2004 01:37:

Personal favourites from Lest We Forget are currently:

- Personal Jesus
- Fight Song
- Dope Show
- This Is The New *Hit
- Disposable Teens
- Rock Is Dead
- The Nobodies
- Beautiful People

But there are many more that I like (Tainted Love, mOBSCENE, (s)AINT, Sweet Dreams).

And I never knew Shirley Manson from Garbage featured in the sAINT video. She looks GORGEOUS!!

naturalborn-roxer said on October 21, 2004 15:21:

i used to be a huge marilyn manson fan. but the last time i saw a show he had micky mouse ears on.
and that was just to much
and why does he make covers all the time.
make some own shit.

Vixzter said on October 21, 2004 22:12:

like beautiful people and his version of tainted love just rocks!
been seeing him alot on the music channels lately and ive grown to like his stuff a bit more :)

RoxHard said on October 22, 2004 01:34:

And Coyboy. You don’t HAVE to buy the album if you don’t want to. There is a seperate DVD available here in the UK - and you guys over there always get the better stuff from American artists, so I’d imagine you’d get the seperate DVD in the US aswell.

RoxHard said on November 1, 2004 21:54:

Oooh... thank you all so much for your help. You were really wonderful in helping me figure out what song this is. ;-)

That’s OK. I’ll forgive you once I can finally get “King Kill 33” from eMule ;-)

carbon_boy said on November 2, 2004 06:53:

Hey RoxHard - soz, only got myDeluxeEdition just now! LOL! SERIOUSLY. Courier dropped it off 10 mins ago!

Yip, thats one of my fave tracks on HolyWood - cant wait to get home and watch the dvd. Man, Im so excited!

Later ;o)

carbon_boy said on November 2, 2004 12:59:

I’m SO P’d off!!! My dvd has all the hidden/bonus stuff on it - but the one thing I was looking most forward to was the s(Aint) video - THAT’s NOT INCLUDED!!!! WTBF?! This is horsesh*t!!! I’m so upset... bloody EU!!! ARGH!

carbon_boy said on November 2, 2004 15:01:

It must be - was imported from Europe tho....

carbon_boy said on November 3, 2004 08:06:

Hey RoxHard, I guess your screen looks like this: http://www.manson-world.net/images/photos/CDAlbums/LestWeForget_DVD_08.j...

Mine is missing the middle “diamond” where s(Aint) should be..... oh well, at least all the other extras and bonus features are on it. I shouldnt complain I guess... I also have the cd/dvd, btw.

Concerning your question about what to get next... well, work your way backwards (eventhough it wasn’t intended to be like that). Golden Age Of Grotesque is a hard and violent mix of industrial-strength punk vaudeville with 30s Berlin cabaret decadence. It’s bloody AWESOME. After which it should be HolyWood (part 3 and also the beginning of his Triptych). It’s loud, aggressive and is basically a big ’f*ck you’. It’s a total declaration of war. The other two albums Mechanical Animals (GlamFunkElectronicRock) and Antichrist Superstar(HardLoudMansonRock) would be part 2 and part 1 respectively. It’s actually quite an interesting and eye opening bulk of work, this trilogy. One would think it’s just a bunch of albums, until you realise that it’s actually a story played backwards - about the evolution and revolution of man.

So, yea, Id say start either from the latest and work your way to the earliest, or do it the other way around (if you want to get into that whole Trilogy thing that is).

Enjoy ;o)

PS: OMG, just got the sAint video from BearShare - It’s bloody MARVELOUS! (Scuze the pun) Sex, drugs and RnR - what more can I say?

carbon_boy said on November 8, 2004 07:18:

@RoxHard - MA was also my first Manson cd. I guess it IS a good album to start off with. Guess its cos its more “radio-friendly” in a sense. And no, WinMedia doesnt give the best idea of what the songs are like. I personally think melody wise GoldenAgeOfGrotesque is his best work - you can sing-along with every song. But you wouldnt say that listening to the snippets of it.

Btw, New Model #15 is my fave track off MA - after that its Coma White, Dope Show and Drugs.

Oh yes, you’ll notice that the booklet is split into 2 sections. 1 being Manson and the other being Omega&theMechanicalAnimals - those are the 2 characters Manson portrays on the cd. Omega being the perfect almost unhumanlike person (see New Model #15) and then ofcourse himself (singing about Omega).

You’ll see the number 15 being used quite prominently on the sleeve. On the title, his name, inside the booklet, etc. 15 is the number associated with The Devil tarot card. Omega as a pre-packaged devil, a cool symbol of rebellion stripped of any real potency by the profit-machine that supports him. Also, 15 is between 14 (a “karmic debt” number associated with addiction) and 16 (a “karmic debt” number associated with ego inflation): Omega walks the line between falling prey to the world and its addictions, and falling prey to his destroying himself if he tries to put himself above that world.

There’s more to this album, AntiChrist Superstar & HolyWood than meets the eye. This guy is a genius. Try and find out more about MA, it’ll make the cd so much better and more interesting when you listen to it next time. ;o)

Cheers

carbon_boy said on November 12, 2004 11:23:

@RoxHard: Glad I could be of assistance ;o) It’s an awesome cd - like I said before - after MA its my fave cd - actually, they both hold the #1 spot on my Manson chart. LOL! What I love about this album, apart from the in your face, hard hitting f*ck you guitars and drums, is the fact that it’s not about religion. In his words and opening line “Everything has been said before, There’s nothing left to say anymore...” The subject matter’s more related to people’s fetishes and how that motivates their behavior. I love this cd, man, lemme put it on!!!

Cheers ;o)

carbon_boy said on November 15, 2004 07:03:

LOL! Yea, it’s Dita von Teese - Manson’s fiance doing those vocals. You can see her in the mOBSCENE video - she’s the one sitting in the glass filled with Absinthe.

;o)

carbon_boy said on November 22, 2004 07:14:

LOL! Funny that, cos ACS was the last one I bought - well excluding LWF....

It’s ok - I’m not tooo taken by it. I expected it to be a lot like HolyWood, but isnt. Definitely my least fave album of the last 4. Seems like Mr Manson is getting better and better with age - like a good red wine ;o) But it’s a must have anyways. I think you will enjoy it.

Later ;o)

carbon_boy said on December 10, 2004 05:58:

Thats true! 4got about that one Coy! So that makes 3 vids in all that we don’t have on this dvd. What a load of horseshit! Argh!

Btw, have you seen “Autopsy”?

carbon_boy said on December 13, 2004 11:22:

Coy, not sure if it’s an outtake of the dope show.... it’s hidden on the dvd.... filmed in b/w and quite gross.... but fitting to who/what Manson is.

RoxHard said on December 13, 2004 23:03:

The Lest We Forget DVD is a wierd thing altogether. It seems that when you get something, something else is left off. It says on the little sticker thing that it includes “personal commentary by Marilyn Manson”, but there is no ’commentary’ of any kind to be found on my edition.

And where exactly is this “autopsy” thing?
It sounds pretty good...

coyboyusa said on December 14, 2004 15:17:

ahh so they really are easter eggs and not reg features lol ok now i have to go experimenting :) my borther is gonna love this

carbon_boy said on December 15, 2004 07:01:

No worries, all in a day’s work for TDR’s fizzy Superhero!!!

;o)

RoxHard said on December 23, 2004 01:20:

I just bought Antichrist Superstar and Holy Wood today! I was just browsing around some stores searching for the few Christmas presents I’d still to get. And i realised I had like £40 left over. So I wondered over to HMV and, thankfully, they had them (cause the main reason I bought Golden Age + MA first was because the other 2 weren’t available).

And you were right Carbon_boy, Antichrist Superstar isn’t all I was cracking it up to be. There are some fine moments (like Irresponsible Hate Anthem, The Beautiful People, Little Horn, Angel With The Scabbed Wings and The Reflecting God). But there’s not much else that I like, except possibly Cryptorchid.

Whereas Holy Wood... what a damned fine magnificant album! 19 tracks, 17 of them are fucking surreal! My favourite songs are: the mini trinity (The Love Song, The Fight Song, The Death Song), and also Born Again, King Kill 33, Count To 6 & Die, GodEatGod, Disposable Teens, The Nobodies, Target Audience, Burning Flag, Lamb Of God, In The Shadow Of The Valley Of Death... and many more!! After listening to this, I now can say with absolute certainty that the people who think Antichrist Superstar is the pinicle of Mr Warner’s career haven’t been paying attention! ;-)

The amazing thing about Holy Wood is that he figured how to meld the hooks and subtle sonic shading of Mechanical Animals with the ugly, neo-industrial metallicisms of Antichrist Superstar. Much of it’s charm lies in the fact that Manson tried so damn hard to make a great album, perfecting details in the concept, lyrics, themes, production, sequencing, the tarot card parodies in the liner notes, the self-consciously blasphamous cover art. It definately winds up as one of the highlights of my whole CD collection.

RoxHard said on January 21, 2005 14:17:

Yeah, that’s good news. Have you seen the video for it yet? I think http://www.mansonusa.com has a link to it somewhere... ;-)

Now I think I got some news foryou! ;-)

I’m pretty sure we all know about Columbine, right? Well... Manson is being blamed for a murder in the UK! These is the only things I’ve found out about the situation so far: the remains of UK schoolgirl Jodi Kitt were left in a similar condition to one of Marilyn Manson’s many paintings (one of the paintings that used to be on the official site, it’s the portrait of that murdered actress in 1942), and it’s believed that the murderer (the contivcted 17 year old Luke something) liked Marilyn Manson. This is an old article I found about it. And anyone in the UK can see that report on Sky News - they’ll probably be screening it all day!

Here it is:
JODI COPS STUDY MANSON DVD. Officers say killer may have watched film.

THIS video nasty by shock rocker Marilyn Manson is being scrutinised by detectives hunting the killer of teenager Jodi Jones.

The film - called Doppelherz - shows the Goth star taking a girl bound to another girl into the woods in darkness.

Police yesterday confirmed the images could hold vital clues as they hunt the 14- year-old’s murderer.

One officer said: “We think this film may have special significance and it is being looked at.

“There is a belief that Jodi’s killer may have watched it.”

The film shows the partly naked girls in distress struggling to free themselves before Manson and a henchman tie bags over their heads.

The screen fades to black before their lifeless-looking bodies are dragged away.

The pounding soundtrack features Manson singing: “I’m a canvas that bleeds and I’m painted with fingers.

“Kill me, kill everyone. You can let them all die. The only thing in this world that does not die is money.”

The film is seen as one of the most significant lines of inquiry for police investigating Jodi and her friends’ enthusiasm for Goth music.

Police believe the video may have special relevance to her killer and the way Jodi died near her home in Easthouses, Midlothian.

The DVD film was released in a special format with Manson’s CD, The Golden Age of Grotesque, just weeks before her death on June 30.

It has an official 15 rating and the album which accompanies it comes with a Parental Advisory sticker.

Manson was initially blamed for inspiring the Columbine High School shootings, when two pupils killed 15 classmates.

It later transpired that the two killers didn’t even like the macabre Goth rocker.

After the accusations, Manson said: “It is sad to think that the first few people on Earth needed no books, movies, games or music to inspire cold- blooded murder.

“The day that Cain bashed his brother Abel’s brains in, the only motivation he needed was his own human disposition to violence.

“Times have not become more violent, they have just become more televised.

“We’re the people who sit back and tolerate children owning guns and we’re the ones who tune in and watch the up-to-the minute details of what they do with them.”

Meanwhile, the Sunday Mail can reveal a rapist from Midlothian was released from prison less than two months before Jodi’s murder.

Police had intelligence that the sex offender had made a habit of camping overnight in the woods close to the path in Dalkeith where Jodi’s body was found.

The man has been interviewed and is not thought to be a suspect.

Lothian and Borders Police insist they will find the killer, despite no weapon being found or arrests being made.

RoxHard said on January 21, 2005 14:24:

On a lighter note.... the new video for The Nobodies is available for viewing here!

http://www.universal-rock.de/index.php?content=artist_start&sub=&artistI...

The audio has been slightly changed, and the video has been re-edited to exclude all the scenes where the now dis-parted member, Twiggy Ramerez, once appeared.

tevensso (moderator) said on January 21, 2005 16:09:

Speaking of DM; Enjoy the Silence 2004 ROCKS!

carbon_boy said on January 24, 2005 07:40:

Ok, first of all:

The new version of The Nobodies is great!!! Wish he reshot the video tho....

Secondly:

This thing about Mansons so-called influence in the Jodi Murder is like those cooks back in the day screaming “The Devil made me do it!” Listen, I can understand someone saying that Manson influenced him/her to stand up for themselves. But to murder someone? I think not.

Funny that he is releasing The Nobodies again, seeing that it was his comment on the Columbine murders - maybe its not by chance:

“Some children died the other day

We fed machines and then we prayed

Puked up and down in morbid faith

You should have seen the ratings that day”

Cheers ;o)

RoxHard said on January 27, 2005 06:38:

http://www.mansonusa.com/img/?src=/art/mmart/040l.jpg&comment=Elizabeth+...

After Luke (something - can’t remember his last name) murdered Jodi (can’t remember her surname either), police say Luke deformed her body to look like the above painting done by Marilyn Manson.

pumpkins said on January 27, 2005 10:18:

please be sensible. you can not be so gullible as to believe the police would deform a body to make it look like something else.

RoxHard said on February 2, 2005 02:37:

You’re talking about Doppleherz - the movie given as a bonus DVD with original copies of The Golden Age Of Grotesque?
No... I’ve not seen it. But I’m downloading it on eMule right about now. I’m 20+MB into a 160+MB .wmv file! :(
It’s taken 4 days to do that little!

As for The La La Song (Mailyn Manson as Christina Aguilera)... Check your email’s :)
The account you have in your profile, your “yellowwizard.com” account, that’s the correct one, right?

I’ve also sent you a full list of all the b-sides/non-album tracks I have.
Hopefully there are some others there that you don’t have yet :)
Cause I do owe you a lot, without you Carbon Boy, I probably never would’ve persuaded myself to buy all of these great MM albums :)

carbon_boy said on May 18, 2005 07:10:

@ AprilSnow: I know what you mean.... there’s a lot more concerning the Triptych than what I and the others mentioned.... but even you realised there’s waaaay too much to explain. LOL! Let’s face it, Mr Manson is incredibly intelligent and everytime I listen to one of those albums I find something new. To put it all down in words would take up a book, as you said.

Oh, and I ADORE Lunchbox and My Monkey. I think what was said before is that Manson evolved musically as well. He became louder, larger, heavier, but at the same time more approachable (if thats the right word - still early in the morning). I love this man, and EVERYONE should listen up to what he’s trying to say with his music. They might just learn a thing or two and that might just open their eyes to whats going on around them.

Cheers

harriej said on May 18, 2005 18:07:

@sparvogamarie: (off-topic): The website-address in your profile does not show anything anymore.

harriej said on May 18, 2005 19:41:

Good luck! I hope your next provider is able to keep your site running for as long as you want.

sommartiderhejhej said on May 19, 2005 20:18:

Manson is ripping off the version of Depeche Mode’s Personal Jesus, so no problem if somebody else is ripping off his music.

coyboyusa said on May 24, 2005 08:26:

kathrin obviusly your grasp of english is as limited as your intelligence :)

coyboyusa said on May 24, 2005 22:54:

indeed carbon people dont like anything thesed ays that requires them to pay attention for more than 2 minutes its sad