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US music SUCKS!!!
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Roxette-atic said on February 5, 2004 22:39:
Its all about hip hop junk or alternative rock ( Nickleback, The Calling...omg). Pop music is DEAD in the states. Few weeks the whole top ten billboard chart were rap/rnb songs... Savage garden has been the only real pop band that has had success in later years in the states...and then they split...sad. two years Kylie had success with CGYOOMH, but now shes gone from the US again.
I sometimes wish that even bands like Ace Of Base or Spice Girls would get popular over there again to get some pop music in the charts. My only hopes right now are...believe it or not...Britney Spears! Anyone agrees?
Euro4Ever said on February 6, 2004 00:01:
LOL Swedes wrote quite a few tunes for “pretty boys” from Bon Jovi. For example the smash hit “It’s My Life”. Plus, Desmond Child wrote many hits for them too. Thus, I would not consider them to be a “strong” music force.
Bryan Adams also had a lot of help in writing his songs, much from Mut Lange.
As far as Indigo Girls and M Etheridge, I don’t really listen to them, so can’t comment.
And yeah, the Whole Atlernative/Grunge Rock scene and Hip-Hop in US are just not my thing.
Plus, Many American artists Forgot that Guitars and Drums are not the only things out there. How about putting some Nice Rich Synthesizers in there too.
Shane said on February 6, 2004 00:15:
Judith - have you heard of Michael Buble? If you like Frank Sinatra, you might like Buble’s music - he does a lot of Sinatra-like songs.
I am not a fan of the hip/hop and R&B stuff, so I do not really like the US music scene right now. I would love to see a resurgence of pop music!
Jud (moderator) said on February 6, 2004 00:27:
“Judith - have you heard of Michael Buble? If you like Frank Sinatra, you might like Buble’s music - he does a lot of Sinatra-like songs.”
nope, never heard of MB, will check him out, thx :)
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BJ: at least they can compose and play on a stage ;) Anyway, I prefer the “original” Europe :D
Ah, forgot Metallica!
coyboyusa said on February 6, 2004 13:18:
lol swedes gave us aqua who suck
england gave us american idol on which 99% of the contestnats suck
mexico gave us menudo which sucks
sweden gave us ace of base who semi suck
england gave us rovbbie williams who as cute as he is sucks
russia gave us tatu who suck suck suck
australia gave us natali imbruglia who sucked
canada gave us fefe dobson who sucks
so u can’t blame america for all the shitty taste in music around the world :)
Jud (moderator) said on February 6, 2004 13:58:
well then let’s just say “most new “music” from all round the world suck” :D
and who mentioned Nickelback? :S
Roxlander said on February 6, 2004 14:42:
“mexico gave us menudo which sucks”
coyboyusa, menudo was a group from Puerto Rico, not Mexico.
There are good and bad music all around the world, but yes, last years music en the US sucks, most of all because of hip hop, rap and all that shit.
Billboard use to be a reference of good music, but I remember the exactly day when everything started to change. It was when Fading like a flower was #2, and next week it felt to #13 or something like that. Billboard started to measure popularity that week based in different standars, and people like Boyz II Men, Mariah Carey, Kriss Kross, and all that trash took first places and they haven’t gone.
Sadly my country is very influenced by US music, but I’ve always thought European music is so much better. That’s why I hardly listen to the radio and rather buy my own music to hear.
Euro4Ever said on February 6, 2004 14:43:
@ Coyboyusa
LOL You don’t even have your Facts straight.
Aqua is not from Sweden, but from Denmark. and they DO NOT suck. They had some of the most Beautiful BALLADS on their first album. Maybe you never heard “Turn Back Time” which was included in the British chick-flick Sliding Doors”
And Aqua’s first album DID NOT suck. It had Great ballads, and Fun Dance trax. An d it was Different from all that American Pop Garbage.
Tatu do NOT Suck either. It’s very hard for a Non-English band to have a hit in USA, and they did it.
And Ace of Base RULED, RULE, and will always RULE. No Lame American Band could even compare to them (Never)
And Coyboyusa, you forgot to metnion that those are all your Opinions, and inacurate Fact too LOL
American Music Sux compared to Euro, just like American cars suck compared to Euro, just like American clothing is of Lower quaality than Euro. And these are Facts.
American music scene is Like a Big MacDonalds, producing Tons of Cheap “Music Burgers made of Rock and Rap” and shoving them at the World. High Quanity and Low Quality. I personally would rather visit European “Restaurants” Ha Ha Ha Ha
Euro4Ever said on February 6, 2004 14:54:
To add
US is a country that does not want to release Roxette’s music. Need I say more?
But I do like Diane Warren, she is an American Composer, with a very Impressive Portfolio :)
2 Roxette-attic
Why don’t you try Listening to Swedish Da Buzz, or Bosson... they are all Pop but being Sweidhs you should know
For a bit more serious and better stuff I would recommend artists like Sylver, Milk Inc, Ian Van Dahl, DJ Encore, Fiori. LOL I’m a Sucker for these :)
DaminehGessle said on February 6, 2004 16:57:
I am not a big fan of US either but please for peace sake lets put the ” You suck” aside and be friends. If you want to criticize one another, be polite. Why do you have to be so offend or defend so much? Just say you don’t like something. Do go bashing each other. We have enough conflict going out there.
Roxlander said on February 6, 2004 17:58:
Just to remember... America goes from Canada to Argentina. One thing is America and another United States of America.
Vixzter said on February 6, 2004 18:25:
And here we go into yet another Europe v America blah blah blah debate
wendy said on February 6, 2004 19:11:
C’mon,The Calling is so fantastic,super,brilliant good :) I love them!!!!!!!!
coyboyusa said on February 6, 2004 22:59:
lol i wasnt very awake when i denoted the countries from which the bands came from ....and puerto rico gave us ricki martin who sucks also and i do agree rap and hip hop are crap but to claim at all that thats americas fault isn’t entirly true...its the kind of music that appeal to alot of ignorant youth out there that have no fathom of the true origina of music. eminem can sample aerosmiths dream on and not a single kid can tel you who the sample is from what album etc unless they see a biopic on mtv this is why music is dying....its just good ttto know that the rappers arte all fake and they all have their ” bling” on loan freom alot of white people who usually run collection and reposession agencies too LOLLOLOL
Shane said on February 7, 2004 00:09:
I think the recording industry has strangled the creativity of musicians in order to increase ROI. They “create” singers and then push them into the marketplace. If new musicians want to succeed, they feel they must play/sing the same music.
Recording companies do not seem willing to take on new musicians who have new and different music. As a result, the industry drives what kind of music is played and the creative musicians either conform or stop recording.
LittleSpooky said on February 7, 2004 08:15:
To correct someone out there:
It’s not that the US doesn’t “want to release Roxette music” it is the fact that Roxette doesn’t deem the United States a worthy project any longer.
You CANNOT blame Rap/Hip Hop/R&B for the demise of pop / rock. It was a contribution of many things. Yes, Rap/Hip Hop/R&B HAS contributed to it, but so did “Grunge Rock” coming out of Washington State, Oregon, Northern California. Bands like Nirvana played a LARGE part in the demise of Pop / Rock.
It DIDN’T help that EMI USA went bankrupt some odd years ago for whatever reason (I didn’t know that they had until someone on this site posted about it approximately 18 months AFTER the company had gone under).
And in NUMEROUS interviews, the question has been raised about Roxette “returning” to the US.
*****WARNING: THE FOLLOWING IS JUST MY OWN TAKE ON THINGS, NONE OF THIS WAS ACTUALLY SAID BY MEMBERS OF ROXETTE. YOU TAKE THIS AS GOSPEL TRUTH, I HAVE A BRIDGE IN BROOKLYN TO SELL YOU... wait... that’s now down in Arizona....*****
The answer that I’ve gathered is: “It’s no longer a viable marketplace for us. To do the kind of tour(s) that would be required to re-enter the market there is just not one that we want to do. We’re getting older, we have families and are concentrating on our solo stuff/Gyllene Tider/Roxette, etc.”
In part, that’s true, the US is really not much of a viable market at the moment because everyone buys the “cookie cutter” type music: Spears, BSB, NSYNC, and so on down the line. But when that’s the only type of music that is available, after a while, you buy into it. However, I look at the Rolling Stones, Fleetwood Mac and some of the other bands that have gone on “forever” and wonder why them and not Roxette. Easy: They get out here and do promotions and tours. They go to cities like Salt Lake City (my town), Las Vegas and so on. They don’t just rely on success or failure from places like Los Angeles, NYC, and so on.
They put forth more effort than what Roxette seems to want to do here, and that’s okay. It IS their choice, after all.
“Live and learn, and then get Luvs.”
Roxette-atic said on February 7, 2004 09:33:
I just think that its really sad that record companys in the USA dont give POP bands a chance. I just hope that there soon will be a pop act that can do for POP the same thing that Nirvana did for rock- make it huge again. Maybe then Roxette could have a chance in the states again.
And let me just say, just to clear things a bit, that I dont have anything agains the US. I really like the US. Its only the music that sucks ( and Im sure a lot of americans on this page agree....)
Jud (moderator) said on February 7, 2004 09:52:
YOU DON’T LIKE IT, DON’T LISTEN TO IT!!
>> be sure that’s what we do :D Actually when one thinks of US music, one just thinks of these wannabees and rap/hip hop... or ask a bunch of teenagers ;)
Ppl our age (>25) do know other bands and can still say “no, it’s not all US music, just some, the newer one etc”..
but then EUropean new music is most of it crap too.. yeah, maybe more “listenable” but same pre-fabricated “artists”.
Aaaahhh let’s go back to the 80-mid90s! :P
tcooh said on February 7, 2004 15:59:
There is still pop music coming from the US that is worth listening to. Hilary Duff is a good example. But sadly much of the music sounds too overproduced. Just keep it to the basics of pop music please.!
StupidGirl said on February 7, 2004 17:07:
nameing a few current US artists that i like (totally random, just those that come to my mind right now):
the rapture
hot hot heat
radio 4
the stills
fischerspooner
white stripes
the strokes
yeah yeah yeahs
interpol
the faint
adult.
...
so US music sucks???
DaminehGessle said on February 7, 2004 18:20:
StupidGirl: I only knew 2 of those bands you just mentioned. Are you sure they are not some local band in your hometown?
LS: To some extent I liked what you said for the first time. Not the last few lines though. But oh that’s your opinion.
Judith: Would you believe it if I say I still listen to 60’s, 70’s and 80’s? Queen, LED Z, Pink Floyd, The Rolling Stones and so on... Roxette has been the only 90’s act I listen to. I like George Michael, Def Leppard, and Extreme but yeah that’s about it. listen to new songs here and there. Don’t even bother listening to the radio anymore. Coldplay and Radiohead aren’t bad either. Everyone is craving for some POP in this forum. I don’t like the whole POP thing. It’s cheesy most of the times. Rock would do it for me. I guess I am passed the age to listen to a girl singing to a boy asking him to love her. I need something deeper and to be honest with you, Roxette doesn’t do it for me at times anymore. Roxette is my past and will go on to be in my future but just because it was in my past. I guess times have changed. Just like the change in music from 50’s to 60’s to 70’s and onwards... Everything is changing so fast and so does music. I wish it could go on to be better but oh well it’s life!
StupidGirl said on February 7, 2004 18:56:
they definitely aren’t some local bands in my hometown. i live in switzerland and all those bands are from the USA. so if I know them, they must be at least a tiny little bit famous ;)
Euro4Ever said on February 7, 2004 20:59:
IMO Coldplay, Radiohead, and many of those Alt-Rock bands are soooo BORING. Even if the melody is somewhat catchy, the arrangements are just Boring and hurt my ears. And Most of them are 1 or 2 Hit wonders anyway, with only 1 or 2 good songs on an album, the rest just filler.
Why do Americans (and not only) make this equation
BORING=QUALITY
In fact as soon as something gets more Synthesizers/Dance, it somehow becomes of lower quality, and some might even say “Gay”.
And why do Pople think that Local Non-Commercial Bands mean Quality? IMO there is nothing wrong with being Commercial. In fact, if you make good music, work hard and have/get some promotion, you should be able to become Commercial (like Dieter Bohlen or Per or hey even Max Martin did). Whether you hate them or not doesn’t matter, That’s just logic.
wendy said on February 7, 2004 22:36:
Girl, me and you were just fine (you know)
We wine and dine
Did them things that couples do when in love (you know)
Walks on the beach and stuff (you know)
Things that lovers say and do
I love you boo, I love you too
I miss you a lot, I miss you even more
That’s why I flew you out
When we was on tour
But then something got out of hand
You start yellin when I would bring friends
Even though I had legitimate reasons (bull shit)
You know I have to make them dividends (bull shit)
How could you trust our private lives girl
That’s why you don’t believe my lies
And quick to say
Black Eyed Peas “US and great!!!” :p
Anarem said on February 8, 2004 06:19:
@Judith: it’s a little late (sorry real life) but Nickelback was mentioned in the first post...
wendy said on February 8, 2004 10:39:
Open your mind,not everything haves to be POP,c’mon,what would the world be with all the same people and music?? I’d kill myself :)
coyboyusa said on February 8, 2004 16:00:
euro i so AGREE radiohead sucks compared to a band like silverchair who’s last album was freakin amazing...i really hate the whole emo movement with bands like dashboard confessionals...do u they really call his catterwalling singing?
powerpoplarry said on February 10, 2004 06:51:
OOOOKay, I feel I can contribute to this discussion objectively...yes I feel the majority of POPULAR US music sucks, but there is still good music coming from here that is still below the radar.
Before I start there, I have to say that MAINSTREAM rap/hiphop/R+B is terrible, samey and cliched, BUT one shining star is OUTKAST...one of the few CREATIVE, ARTISTIC acts based in hiphop that breaks boundaries, and appeals to everyone, mainstream fans, music critics, and tastemakers, the world over. Their current double album “Speakerboxxx/The Love Below” was voted album of the year in all critics polls, it was the #1 album of 2003 in Billboard, they have 2 #1 singles in “Hey Ya!!” and “The Way You Move”, and it was voted Album of the Year at the Grammy Awards last night. The album is sheer GENIUS!! On par with the Beatles “White Album”, I’m dead serious!! “Hey Ya!!” is also one of those rare songs that appeals to rockers, popsters, hiphoppers, critics, radio programmers, EVERYBODY!! You have to agree, that’s rare!! It’s also a real POP song with hooks that are ultracatchy, even more rare!!
Outkast are genius!! Period!!
Now, for my comments on prior comments, yeppers, Hilary Duff is swell pop, so is Lindsay Lohan!! I’m serious!! Delightful pop!! Not overproduced (hello Britney!!), WELL produced!! Big difference...
Here’s anorther example of GOOD powerpop coming from the US: Fountains Of Wayne, Rooney, Phantom Planet, LIZ PHAIR...and a new NYC band breaking in England now with a Top 10 hit, the SCISSOR SISTERS...they have a hit clubby cover of Pink Floyd’s “Comfortably Numb”, bit the whole album is genius...cool glam/pop/dance/rock...
StupidGirl...don’t forget Howie Day!! As for your list, sorry, The Rapture are TERRIBLE!! Um, both Hot Hot Heat and The Stills are Canadian, Damnineh, HHH are from Vancouver, and they are awesome, like 80s new wave, New Order meets The Cure...They’re on Sub Pop and Sire/Warner Bros, just so you know... Radio 4, haven’t heard yet...Fischerspooner are pretty cool...The Strokes are good, but the Star Spangles and Yeah Yeahs Yeahs are much better NYC bands (OOPS you mentioned YYY!!)...Interpol are cool...haven’t heard The Faint or Adult yet...
And no, US music does NOT suck, you just have to know where to look...SG agrees...
BTW, I love music from the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and 90s, I’m just discerning with what I listen to and look out for, and no, I don’t listen to radio, THAT’s what basically sucks here in the US, NOT the good bands, BAD radio!!
DaminehGessle said on February 10, 2004 07:35:
Hey Larry: What????
By the way, Luther Vandross’s song brought absolute tears to my eyes. I ran to my computer, downloaded the Dance With My Father song ( sorry pirate :( ) and have been listening to it ever since. I think last night’s Grammys was one of the bests ever. I had never sat down through the entire show. Last night’s was awesome. I loved the combination of newcomers with oldies, Jazz and pop and etc. Didn’t you?? I can say I have added to my songs of the year. My list includes:
Evanescemennene however you spell it - My Immortal
Dido - White Flag
Avril - I’m with you
Luther - Dance with my father
xtina Aguilera - beautiful (I don’t like her but this song gives me strength! I am ugly :( hehe no kidding)
Euro4Ever said on February 10, 2004 11:04:
IMO Hilary Duff is Teeny Pop Trash, I’m sorry that’s just what I think. A Britney/Christina/Jessica wannabe, LOL
Speaking about Luther Vandross,
I do cosider Richard Marx to be a Respectable American Composer. I guess Linda Perry is too.
Aerosmith could also be an example of some good music. Also Babyface and R Kelly are pretty good composers.
There are some exceptions, but I still think Amercian music is either Overly Vulgar, or just simply Boring. I feel sad for Amercan Teenagers.
And what’s wrong with “Overproduced”. It’s better than sound arrangement being “Overly Simplistic”, that’s Boring.
coyboyusa said on February 10, 2004 13:37:
comparing outcast to the beatles is exactly whats wrong with music in gerneral, its liek saying justin timberfags justified is on par with michale jacksons off the wall its total crap. the best albums and best artists are always the ones noone expects to have any marging of success. point in case is evanescence. none of the usa critics thought they had a hells chance of winning any grammys...the won best new artist over that ego inflated ape 50 cents. the problem with music is genres get burned out every decade or so, and inbetween pop fans like us get burried under heavy metal or rap or grunge, waiting for real music to resurface.
StupidGirl said on February 10, 2004 14:08:
@PPLarry:
oops, so they’re canadian. you see i’m european and not very good at geography ;)
about ’forgetting’ howie day: i never said my list was complete. there are many many other great US artists, i just mentioned the first few that came to my mind.
StupidGirl said on February 10, 2004 16:32:
now I’m listening to the Scissor Sisters. aren’t they from the US, too? New York maybe. Larry, do you know them?
Euro4Ever said on February 10, 2004 16:33:
Outkast
Where do I start?
Primitive and Outdated Sound Arrangments (I have early 90’s albums with better sound)
Stupid, Unintelligent Lyrics (LOL and these guys are Amercian)
Melody Hook is somewhat catchy though, but hey so was Barney LOL
Outkast is Commercial Trash, It just shows that with enough Radio-play and a primitive Melody Hook, you can make anything sell.
IMO Only Idiots would dance to them. It’s not even good club music.
But they are Better than some other Representatives of American Hip-Hop (not as Vugar as Eminem etc), so I guess that’s a plus to them.
powerpoplarry said on February 11, 2004 00:35:
HEY Damineh!! I said Hot Hot Heat are from Vancouver and are cool critical faves, not some obscure local band from StupidGirl’s hometown in Switzerland, haha...they’re a good band, U should check out their current album “Make Up The Breakdown”, it’s a fun record!!
And good for Luther winning those Grammys, sorry about his condition though...that song is not really my thing, too sentimental for my taste, and it’s sorta too gay for me, as I’d rather dance with my mother, better that a girl sings it, as Celine did at the awards show...I can see you appreciating it more than me...BTW, that Grammy awards show was well-done, but I missed the list of other winners they usually announce, instead of just referring to the Grammy website...Beyonce was really good I thought, her solo and her with Prince...the White Stripes, Beatles, Luther and Warren Zevon tributes too...Outkast, George Clinton/P-Funk, Foo Fighters/Chick Corea...the whole show was excellent, I agree!!
Good for Evanescence, but really, Fountains Of Wayne should gotten the Best New Artist award instead, even though it’s album #3 that nabbed the attention...IMO they are overrated, but better than 50 Cent, who cracked me up walking onstage thinking he was the winner, LOL!! I LOVE Dido too, her whole 2nd album “Life For Rent” is a gem...Avril?? Overrated and a fake...Luther, he has a legacy, and I dig X-tina too...good performance of Linda Perry’s “Beautiful”...LOL about your looks comment, I really think you are beautiful-looking, no kidding!! ;-)
Actually, Hilary Duff is more than just teenpop, she’s more of a rocker (she can’t dance), and it’s just well-done pure pop, wholesome but good...it’s funny, in my taste, the more wholesome the teenpop is, the BETTER it is...I don’t know why!!! She does better songs than those 3 put together!!
Richard Marx??????? BLECCCHHH, he’s wimpy and schmaltzy and bland, UGH!! Too adult contemporary for my taste...congrats on his win though...Linda Perry is much better and more original, plus she has 2 things Richard is missing: raw honesty and BALLS...Aerosmith is classic...Babyface is a good songwriter, as is R Kelly, regardless of his legal troubles...
Agreed on most POPULAR American music, but there is much better stuff hanging in the fringes, if you bother to look...better to be underproduced than overproduced, but it’s best to be in the middle, towards the under side...like demos...
Cough Cough, Coyboy, have you actually LISTENED to Outkast’s “Speakerboxx/The Love Below” in its ENTIRETY??? Chances are, you haven’t, because the wealth of quality, diverse material, sense of adventure, humour, taste of the bizarre, wealth of KILLER pop hooks, heavy on the funk, ahead-of-it’s time music, it’s TOTALLY on-par with the Beatles’ “White Album”!! Both are double-album sets, both had hits, both were hits with critics, both were ahead of their time...OutKast are The Beatles of hiphop...never mainstream from the getgo, successful cuz of their adventurousness...
You’re probably shocked I said that cuz they are POPULAR!! Yes they are, but what counts is artistry and critical acclaim, OUTKAST’s 2CD set has that too!!
Coy, I DARE you to buy “Speakerboxxx/The Love Below” and NOT declare its greatness...GUARANTEED, you will eat your words!! Hell, even Norah Jones guest stars on a track!! That album DESERVED to win “Album Of The Year” at the Grammys, as it swept all critic’s polls!! And it has 2 NUMBER ONE singles!! A shoo-in!!
As for Justin, he’s a credible artist too, critically-acclaimed, and no, he’s NOT gay!! You are right, everyone expected Justin’s “Justified” to be utter crappola!! It wasn’t, critics LOVED it!! And he won 2 Grammys!! Plus, it has 4 hits!! Oh, and he’s BETTER than Wacko, the WORST artist in the world!!! Evanescence?? Overrated, they are OK, but stuck in 1 mode, but cuz Ben (the brains behind the band) left Evanescence, like AWOL, their days are numbered...again, FOW shoulda won their Grammy, they are a much BETTER true powerpop band!! Um, you contradicted yourself, pop getting buried under metal or rap?? Evanescence are GOTH METAL, NOT POP!!! Soooo, you are right, Evanescence, a METAL act, beat out FOW, a POWERPOP band!! Case closed...
SG, yes, I know you’re European, from Switzerland, and your geography is OK, Canada is North America, so you’re close, haha!! You’re forgiven about Howie Day...correct about OutKast, and I RARELY buy a hiphop record, but they are more than hiphop, always have been...about the Scissor Sisters, YEPPERS, they are from New York, like me, but I think they are now living in London, I read that in the NME...I first read about them in a concert review by this guy in Newsday (local paper) who raved about their show in NYC...bought their album as an import...it’s (pardon my language) F*CKING GREAT!!! Adventurous, poppy, danceable, rocky, glammy, fun...their debut album is an instant classic!! And no, I’m not gay, LOL!!
Um, Euro4Ever, did you listen to the whole DOUBLE ALBUM??? Or Just “Hey Ya!!”?? (One of the best singles of 2003??) And, oh, you’re not listening closely...if it’s “Hey Ya!!”, id you know, or figure out, the song is a rare upbeat song about a BREAKUP?? Or are they too INTELLIGENT for you to understand??? BTW, they are NOT STUPID!!! You are clearly missing something...is it your brain?? Listen again...
LittleSpooky said on February 11, 2004 05:59:
Check it out.
It’s turned into an International Pissing contest.
DaminehGessle said on February 11, 2004 18:40:
LS: Cause noone’s perfect? :)
Ok here is my opinion on Justin Timberlake. I absolutely hate new music. Maybe I just don’t want to grow out of my Queen era. Maybe I’m just too stupid who knows. And no I never liked NSYNC. But do you really believe that Justin would be called gay, fag or other names if he were not in a boyband before he started his solo career? Most people do not take him seriously because he WAS in NSYNC before he went solo. So what? I think he’s got talent. He tries different things. I’ve heard from many people that he is a wanna-be. So what? Is it a crime to like Rock, Hiphop or other types of music? Why is it wrong for him to try different sounds? Afterall having the same sound is what makes artists boring. I am not comparing Him to Queen at all but listening to Queen songs or most 70’s rock bands, no 2 albums sound the same. Instruments are played with so do voices.
My eyes are hurting. I can’t type anymore.
Shane said on February 11, 2004 19:11:
LittleSpooky - I always love your comments!
PowerpopLarry - Hi! Sorry I have not emailed. I just took a new job and am kind of working at both jobs right now. Very tiring.
I appreciate everyone’s comments on this topic - seems to me everyone has different tastes and we all like different kinds of music, so we need to respect the opinions of everyone else. Therefore, everyone play nice! Please!!!!
DaminehGessle said on February 11, 2004 22:06:
Shane thank you :). You can always get futher by being nice eh?
How are things out there? Cold??? Victoria was very cold this morning. It’s sort of Calgary weather around 1C ish though :). Sun is out. Stars are out at night. Beautiful. It’s gonna get ugly by Friday though. Clouds are heading west coast :(.
MiracleMan said on February 11, 2004 22:56:
Spooks—Unfortunately, it always seems to turn into an international pissing contest.
Euro4Ever said on February 11, 2004 23:06:
I think good Melodic music died in US when Disco died here (LOL that was very Homophobic).
It never really died in EU. In fact it thrived in Sweden and Germany in the 80’s and 90’s.
And whatever Amercians can do in Music, Europe does it better, LOL Even Rap or Rock.
No Need to go into Detail.
LittleSpooky said on February 13, 2004 04:57:
Hasn’t it though? Look at where Roxette-atic is from. Sweden. He doesn’t live in the US, probably has NEVER set foot on US soil beyond a major metropolis (NYC, Los Angeles, etc), has no clue that there are radio stations in the US that dedicate a chunk of their air-time to “Pop / Rock” music, and formulates an attack against a media market based on minimal information!
Now, there’s nothing wrong with being from Sweden... except the fact that you’re giving your fellow countrymen a black eye. Lemme ask you something there Roxette-atic:
DOES YOUR LIFE REVOLVE AROUND US MUSIC AND WHAT IS CURRENTLY POPULAR? This music’s around for a while, whether YOU approve or not. And if it bothers you THAT much... don’t log onto the Internet, don’t turn on the radio or television, and for Freya’s sake DON’T LEAVE THE DAMN HOUSE!!! You’ll be OFFENDED by everything.
Stormkeeper said on February 15, 2004 18:51:
isnt if unfair we have to suffer from shitty american music everywhere in the world but they hardly hear anything European over there? No fair! MTV is guilty for this I guess.
LittleSpooky said on February 15, 2004 21:03:
To all those who don’t live in the US that are whining about having to “tolerate” R&B, HIp / Hop, etc:
You have only your fellow countrymen to blame. THEY are the ones in the majority.
Roxette-atic said on February 16, 2004 00:10:
@LittleSpooky
Your reply is so stupid, that I dont know if Im laughing or crying.
I think that US music sucks and thats it! And like Stormkeeper said, we in europe has to listen to that shit too ( it doesent matter whos fault it is that we have to listen to it...). Your music is just shit, crap, garbage,junk etc etc...
Btw... please dont bother saying anything to me if anything in my post is wrong spelled...I already know what you think about people who cant write 100% english...
wendy said on February 16, 2004 14:00:
Anyway,i don’t think it’s called “US-music” i think we have this music over the whole wide world,even in lil belgium we have rappers,well,or those who trie to be one....
I think you’re all narrow-minded :O
R&B,dance,rock,pop,rap,classical,folk,every kind of music is good,at its way,and,i’m proud i can say i like roxette,but,also sylver,black eyed peas,destiny’s child,coldplay,christina,eminem,....
LittleSpooky said on February 16, 2004 15:27:
Wendy: Before you wave that “Brush of Ignorance” around YET AGAIN, just because someone doesn’t like something, it does not mean that they are narrow-minded.
I don’t like rap. Here’s why:
1. I am very much white. I resent when ANYONE regardless of ethnic background figures *I* owe them the world because my ancestors MAY OR MAY NOT have owned slaves or opressed their people. So no, don’t kill the white man and rape his daughter.
2. One of the jobs my mom had when I was growing up was that of an Emergency Medical Technician. They are 2 steps below the rank of Paramedic. Subsequently, I grew up around police / fire / rescue personnel. A lot of fond memories I have from childhood centre around spending time at one of the local fire houses, playing tag with the firefighters. I have a healthy respect for them and yes, there are a few rotten apples in the bunch. But I resent some jerk deciding to kill all the cops for doing their job, which may or may not include arresting thir ignorant asses for breaking the law.
3. Labels. I try not to use them, but I’m guilty of that from time to time. But don’t call me a skank, slut, whore, or anything else. I’m a 29 year old white woman who is a virgin. To imply otherwise is insulting, ESPECIALLY IF YOU DON’T KNOW ME. I don’t judge you based on merits of other members of your gender / ethnic group. If I think you’re an asshole, it is something YOU YOURSELF have done to give me that impression.
When my younger brother first started to listen to rap music, I immediately became a skank/whore/slut. He was one of the ones who figured that if rap artists such as 2 Pac Shakur, Snoop Doggy Dog, and others can call women that, then it must be okay. Thankfully, he grew out of that. My sister in law is the type of person who wouldn’t hesitate to knock him on his boxers for comments like that.
BOTH of them listen to Rap, R&B, and Hip / Hop. There are some songs that I don’t consider to be in those categories, but the music industry has qualified them as such. Did you know that Blondie could also be considered a “rap” artist? Check the song “Rapture”. The *whole* thing, not just the first little bit of it. She raps, by the music industry’s definition.
Country:
That’s another musical selection that I’m not too fond of. How many ways can you sing about your dog dying, your girl leaving you and taking the truck, the house / trailer, and your life bein in general misery? More ways than I thought possible. Not all country artists sing about those things, no... but I hear more of THOSE songs on the radio than I can tolerate in an hour. Subsequently, I don’t have a country station on my presets. HOWEVER, most of my friends at work listen to country, and I’ll tolerate it to hang out with them because I like them for who they are... not their music.
Classical: I have 5 tapes that used to be my grandfather’s. It’s not top on my musical selections, I use it mostly if I have had trouble sleeping and I’ve been up for about 4 days. Nothing wrong with it, I just sometimes don’t have the patience to sit there.
There Wendy, now you understand why it is I am so narrow minded about that kind of music. I never disagreed with Roxette-atic for his opinion on it, I just resent his implication that it is all the fault of the US. Someone else would have thought of it, give it time. However, I’m guessing that he’s just upset because Roxette (and other artists) can’t get an even break because music like this. It’s called BAD MANAGEMENT my friend. Lack of desire (or just flat out not wanting to) to punch through the garbage. It takes a bit of effort, but it can be done. You just have to WANT to make the effort. Same as anything else in life.
coyboyusa said on February 16, 2004 16:08:
ok ther eis an easy way to sum this up if you are disappointed with tyhe content of music in your contry do something about it. and yes outcast suck period just because u have alot of guests on your albums, just liek half of mainstream r&b and rap artists do, doesnt make you any more talented nor does it deserve you the accolade to be ranked up there with the beatles. my whole problem with rap isn’t based on race... its the fact that u have these wealthy balk men who coudl truly educate and change the future of young black men, but all they do is gansta pose and talk about doing hos and killing people. whats mor esad is alot of fatherless white boys whio feel negleted by their dads or have no strong male influence in their life go looking at these friggin one step from jail criminals as role models. i mean cummon death row records was established on a turn of profit from a drug deal. this just reflects whats currently wrong with the wrold a whole bunch of selfish pepel with no respect for themselves or others....if osama wants to get rid of the ” evil americans” he can come nuke the ghettos and middle suburbia of america so i dont have to hear one more 12 yr old boy with baggy pants and a bandana calling his mom his bitch and callin his WHITe friend niggah....its outta hand!
wendy said on February 16, 2004 19:22:
Ok,look,i’m not good in those long replies,after reading two lines i think “whatever”
all i know is that you think you’re right,and i think i’m right,.........
Maybe we’re both a bit right.......
DaminehGessle said on February 16, 2004 19:42:
Coyboy: Beautifully said!!!
LS: Hmmm you are somehow right. I don’t like the whole swearing-thru-the-entire-song thing. It’s just not right.
The fact is that, we are all different; Different colour of skin, different backgrounds, different cultures. We were all raised differently. We also have different tastes in music. If we want to fight for all these differences, then lets grab guns and kill each other until noone’s alive. How is that?
LittleSpooky said on February 16, 2004 22:24:
D: You mean to tell me you just MIGHT actually agree with something I said????
*gets out a pen and marks a calendar*
*lmao*
Wendy: Ignorance is the downfall of many. See you at the bottom.
Euro4Ever said on February 16, 2004 23:05:
@ Wendy
I think those Belgian groups like Sylver, Milk Inc, Lasgo or Ian Van Dahl are 5 times better than all those American Christinas, Beyonces, Destiny Childs, Eminems (YUK) or pretty much anything coming from US. There are so many emotions, melody and Power (Synths) in their songs, you can’t even compare them to the Weak and Lame American Pop.
And even when it comes to R&B, Sylver and Milk Inc had better R&B songs (but they had so much more than just R&B, more Variety, like Ballads, Techno/Trance etc)
That’s what I think.
powerpoplarry said on February 17, 2004 01:40:
Spooks: well said, and I totally agree, HOWEVER, there is good, CREATIVE, underground, NON-mainstream hiphop that is NOT negative and is about OTHER subject matter than the stuff that sucks (wealth and calling women bad names)...
Likewise, there is ALTERNATIVE COUNTRY, aka alt-country/no-depression/Americana/country-rock, which is NOT radio friendly, is more about barrier-busting, it does away with the lyrical cliches, it’s more ORIGINAL, and it’s totally a punkrock take on country music...from an outsider point-of-view, and consists of rocking bands and singer-songwriters, it’s too raw and original to make it in Nashville...BTW, I HATE mainstream country, too whitewashed, samey, cliched, totally COOKIE-CUTTER, plus those people don’t really write their own songs, they’re lame and totally predictable...UGH!!! Give alt-country a chance, I KNOW you are going to love it!!
OK OK, Coyboy, I understand where you are coming from, totally!! Ya know, another thing I HATE about mainstream hiphop is they all have guests on their records, it’s gotten very old...
Secondly, about OutKast’s stuff, there might be a handful of guests on that album, BUT the difference here is these were friends of Big Boi and Andre and wanted to contribute a SMALL part, SMALL!! Guests don’t DOMINATE “Speakerboxxx/The Love Below”, it’s basically all Big Boi on “Speakerboxxx” and Andre 3000 on “The Love Below”...it’s mostly NOT all hiphop, it’s more like George Clinton P-Funk + Prince meets the Beatles and Frank Zappa, with some hiphop thrown in...not the other way around...and their lyrical content is also ALTERNATIVE, but more sexual, a la Prince...not at all VIOLENT!! Hell, even on 1 track, Big Boi has one guest, his 5 year old SON and his recorded debut...really adorable!! It’s a POSITIVE recording experience...not at all what you think...OutKast CAN clearly educate and are taking listeners to a higher artistic level...
You CLEARLY have not listened to their artistic masterpiece!!
BTW, sorry about your past childhood experiences, and you should not let them get in the way of listening openmindedly to a record that will blow you out of the water, as much as the Beatles do...I’m dead serious...don’t close your mind from bad music and please don’t make Outkast a scapegoat...yes, that’s EXACTLY what you are doing...
Euro4Ever said on February 17, 2004 02:34:
I Like Rap (LOL Just not the one that comes from US).
Many Commercial German and Euro Artists mixed Rap and Techno/Dance in the 90’s like
Culture Beat - Awesome Rap
Captain Hollywood Project - Love Captain’s rap
C-Block - German rap group
Down Low -also from Germany
Activate - German white boys rapping!
Basic Element - a Swedish Rap/Techno group,
Even E-Type Raps better, and I don’t think he’s a good rapper at all, but still better than Outkast!
LOL even the Commercial DJ Bobo had better rap in the mid 90’s than those American Hip-Hop artists, and this guy is White!!!!!! LOL He deserves a Grammy more than that Outkast, he sings not in his language, yet his songs are still more intellectual Pop than all that Hip Hop trash from US.
Not that I think Bobo is the Greatest, he’s NOT, but still I respect him more than most US hip-Hop performers. His music is Cleaner and definitely more melodic than Eminem or Outkast.
LOL Judging by Cardigans, Roxette etc etc Europeans outdo US even in American style Rock/Country/Pop.
OUTKAST is really Pathetic music, very Primitive, emotionless. I mean it’s kind of Catchy, but their sound is....well maybe for my Grandma to listen to, or for a 13 year old MTV watcher. It’s music that rich American record companies shove at the whole world. All that promotion and play will make anything sell.
Euro4Ever said on February 17, 2004 03:34:
I used to like some Arrested Development and some Blackstreet and some Montel Jordan I think they are American Rap. in the 90’s
Also PM Dawn in the 90’s and maybe some other stuff, can’t remember!
I did like some US Rap. Or no, what am I going to do!!?? :)
So maybe to say that ALL Sux is a bit of an Exaggeration, rap or Rock whatever.
But over the years, I preffered Western European music. It touched me more, LOL plus I like to Dance to nice Techno Beats :)
LittleSpooky said on February 17, 2004 05:37:
George Clinton, Beatles and wha??
That’s a scary thought in and of itself.
Oh, and I’m not opposed to all country. Just the stuff where they lost their dog, the house, the girl etc. I like Kenny Rogers, Dolly Parton and a couple of others.
You know what you get when you play a country song backwards?
You get your dog back, you get your house back, you get your girl back....
Not very punny... but
DaminehGessle said on February 17, 2004 07:16:
Before reading Larry and LS’s comments:
Euro4Ever: YOU GOT PROBLEMS DUDE! What the hell is wrong with you??? I am not very fond of Americans either but why the heck do you talk about them like that? If you don’t like Eminem, don’t listen to him. Jeeez... You got issues. Drop the whole YOU SUCK I ROCK thing. Good for you and your countrymen that your music rocks. Ahhh... What idiots live on this planet!
DaminehGessle said on February 17, 2004 07:19:
LS hahaha
Reading all your comments Euro4Ever, honestly, go see a doctor. YOu GOT SERIOUS ISSUES!
DaminehGessle said on February 17, 2004 07:24:
I come from a country in which they’d burn a country’s flag or would draw the flag on the school yard so that every kid would walk on it. I never did. I walked around it. I never liked the US but never stepped on or laughed at the burning flag. The flag of the country is its pride. The US government is bad. Many ignorant americans out there true. But so are many others in other countries. Again I am not defending the US in any way but please politics aside, why would you add an American or from the US to every name that you had mentioned? Why would you generalize so much? If you ever live in the states, there are many nice people living there. Just don’t try to say Canada is better or even bring up the whole Canada-US issue hahahah which will definitely turn into an argument but overall, many nice people out there. Know them before you judge. It’s just not fair to talk to people from the US like that. There are many of them here in this forum and it’s very insulting to speak of a nation like that.
coyboyusa said on February 17, 2004 13:24:
omg i loved pm dawn lol i thought everyone forgot about thewm jesus wept is such a friggin awesome album as is the album prior to that they weren’t considerd rap per say but they were reallly good
they had a crappy greatest hits album out a few yrs back with no bonus material on it at all...i wonder if there are any video compilations?
StupidGirl said on February 17, 2004 14:51:
@Euro4Ever: when I read your comments, I don’t know if I should laugh or cry. But since I’m rather a positive person, I’ll choose the former.
DJ Bobo better than Outkast?? Gosh! You know, I’m Swiss and I heard that DJ Bobo is a real nice person, down to earth and everything. And he also might have a great show at his concerts. So maybe he is a good entertainer. But musically... I don’t think so.
kachina008 said on February 17, 2004 16:32:
Alls I gots tuh say is...
anyone who says “oh this SUCKS” and “that STINKS”....has an open invitation from me TO DO IT BETTER. if you can, then you are entitled. if not, keep your opinions to urself.
I might not like some music, but i do have a healthy respect for ppl who do it. my only complaint is...in the vids, if the girls are gonna take their clothes off, let’s see the men in their briefs too!! yay!!! :)
I love pm dawn!!! someone slap me, I am actually agreeing with coyboy! ARGH!!@!
StupidGirl said on February 17, 2004 17:09:
@kachina: I disagree with you. just because I say that some artist suck doesn’t mean I have to do it better!
picture this: you go to the dentist but he doesn’t fix your teeth properly. you complain and he just says: do it better yourself! of course that would be absurd because he’s the dentist and not you. it’s the same with art or music. I know I wouldn’t be the best musician, that’s why I prefer not to bother the world with any music made by myself. but that doesn’t mean that I can’t judge other artists. of course just saying ’this or or that artist sucks’ isn’t the best review you can give. and it’s better to say which artists are good instead of wasting your time complaining. but my point is that you can dislike an artist (and say it) without having to proof that you could do it better.
DaminehGessle said on February 17, 2004 17:54:
StupidGirl: You are somehow right. But instead of taking the part you didn’t like, take the part you could like. The whole respect issue...
We are all different; therefore, we like different music. It is disrespectful and rude to say someone stinks or sucks. You think saying you are a Roxette fan people would say wow cool you like good music, etc.? No! Trust me! I have been laughed at so many times over Roxette cause everyone thinks Roxette is very cheesy. But they’d never say it to my face that yeah Roxette stinks or Roxette sucks. I like them, some don’t. Let’s leave it at that. Getting rude about it is something else. Plus, I don’t think Euro is reasonable here. He/she is going against a nation bashing them for his/her personal reasons.
wendy said on February 17, 2004 19:48:
Conclusion : Different people,different tastes,different personalities,that’s cool,makes the world colorfull :) Well,let’s hope we don’t have to know to many Bushs,Bin ladens,Dutroux,Saddams,ect.....
wendy said on February 17, 2004 19:59:
BTW,i wonder what i have done wrong?? :O
Ignorance?? :O
Sorry,cuz i don’t think what you think?
I’m maybe not from the US,and maybe english is not my mothertongue,and maybe i’m not as old (wich means “experienced”) as you,it doesn’t means i can’t have an opinion,and,my opinion is .... If you wanna have fun,you have to stand open for everything!!
And,i’ve been wrong for calling you “narrow-minded” my apologies,but,i do think that many rox-fans don’t stand open for other music,and,that’s being narrow-minded in some way.....
Jud (moderator) said on February 5, 2004 23:18:
well, I would say “most new US music sucks” - the old boys and girls still rock! :)
And then it’s not only US... we have this great wave now in Europe with all these wannabes whom nobody will remember in 1-2 years but that they are making other great artists be in the last positions of the lists or not even enter in the top40.... and who can only make bad bad covers of great songs... well at least yeah, they don’t play this hip-hop / rap (yuk!!) but kind of “pop” or “wannabe pop” ...
Actually I am listening to jazz and soul, big bands and Frank Sinatra music a lot more now than before, when I used to listen to this music when I was home and my mum played it out loud :D (she is a Beatles + Elvis fan and she loves all this 40-50-60ies music ;))
Great American artists:
Melissa Etheridge
Indigo Girls
Bruce
Bon Jovi
to mention a few... :)