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New album artwork
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joyrider said on January 24, 2004 17:05:
i scaned it out of a music magazin from 1999 ... the background is on the original picture just grey and white - nothing special but i like the way they “act” and look ... the picture doesn’t say “BUY ME!” and this is what i prefere most.
roxonthemoon said on January 24, 2004 17:00:
It’s a shame how much talent you have!!!!! The roxette management have to know you! I looove it! very diffent but greeeat!! couldn’t you this one with the Have a nice day tracks? I would love to change the original booklet to this one :))
Stormkeeper said on January 24, 2004 17:02:
boy you´ve got talent! Really. btw where is that original pic from? (first one)
Where can it be seen as without photo-shop?
tevensso (moderator) said on January 24, 2004 17:19:
Per will see this. I doubt he will use a fan though.
roxonthemoon said on January 24, 2004 17:26:
“I doubt he will use a fan though.”
A fan who is graphic designer with such great fresh ideas (i run through his work at his website)?? Why not??
tjej said on January 24, 2004 17:38:
I think his ideas are neither great nor fresh. Every other rave-party invitation looks like his work. And his logo designs build on to few principles in order to be innovative. And innovative is what everyone is looking for in a comeback, isn’t it. But taste is individual, so all we can do is state our opinion. And I sure hope that this style won’t be the one persued by Roxette.
Jud (moderator) said on January 24, 2004 17:56:
jeez! and we have to live with covers like HAND and the ones that followed!! Hope you get to do lots lots of works like this professionally one day, if not for Roxette, for another artist that knows what TALENT is!
joyrider said on January 24, 2004 18:20:
thank you all for your nice replies! and tjej: thank you too ... i don’t want that my work is loved by each and everybody, i am satisfied when people with good taste like my work! =)
pietROxette said on January 24, 2004 19:20:
Wow, cool! Hey, what if you designed a cover for HAND so we could print it and throw that ugly original one away? :-)
Jud (moderator) said on January 24, 2004 19:27:
Good idea Pietro :D at least sth that doesn’t hurt ur eyes when u look at it (colours) :P
joyrider said on January 24, 2004 21:07:
hi again... here you can look at a new version of the have a nice day-cover art work ... something very different (no neon, not 6 diff. font types ...) hope you like it. if you would like to have a bigger version for printing i’ll do my best to offer you a high quality version next week (per mail, upload e.g.)
[front] http://www2.users.fh-sbg.ac.at/~ffrandl/f-act.it/diverses/f-act.it_roxet...
[back] http://www2.users.fh-sbg.ac.at/~ffrandl/f-act.it/diverses/f-act.it_roxet...
°°° rock on!
roxtexanet said on January 24, 2004 22:01:
I really like the font in the first one and the organisation in the “Have a Nice Day” one (sorry I don’t know the right terms here, I’m a psychologist, not a graphic designer!). The back of the “HaND” cover is the best of the bunch. Great work!
And I really like that you kept the original font for “roxette” in your “HaND” cover... it was the best thing about the design of the sleeves from that era, I think.
Zargo said on January 25, 2004 09:49:
The HAND variation is quite stylish... Though I’d have them in different positions on one of the covers, not just the same photo reversed.
Designing alternate covers for the more popular sleeves as well would be a fun idea!
joyrider said on January 25, 2004 10:54:
it would be great if i / we had access to more original photographs in high qualtity because then cover designing would be really funny!
jobarth said on January 25, 2004 11:41:
@joyrider
GREAT WORK! Maybe you can also design the cover of the new Marie album. It would be nice!
roxonthemoon said on January 25, 2004 12:12:
Wow!! You can’t learn this designing!! This is feeling and creativity! wuold also like to have this feeling with colours and proportions (?? = Proportionen - sorry i am german) ... You will go your way! I read you are 20 years? When the next Roxette album is finish you are maybe finished with university too and then maybe you have your own company - so design work for Roxette is possible!?!?!
erweetiran said on January 25, 2004 14:13:
@joyrider:
The first cd cover you designed (front) was ok. The back is better though...only problem: I feel like I am looking at a ROCK album, but maybe that is not a problem.
The HAND front cover was not a bad idea, I think the original HAND cover shows attitude and that is what I like, when you can take a still picture, edit it and when you look at it, it is asif it moves...that is what I like about the original HAND cover. You can actually see and feel her screaming on that cover....back to your back cover of HAND...absolutly great, I love it, much better than the back of the original HAND back cover...I just think that that type of design will work better on a CBB or celine dion type cd...Clean fresh and no weirdness. But still doens’t take the fact that it is a good design away from it...good job
joyrider said on January 25, 2004 14:33:
:) this is exactly what i wanted to create: the spirit of rock (: because in my opinion the artwork can influence the sound...
example: if we think of have a nice day we first think of stars [with the childish screaming pink cover]. but if you look at the faked cover you might think of songs like pay the price or wish i could fly ...
btw: thank you for your answers, i can’t tell how motivating your words are!
erweetiran said on January 25, 2004 18:25:
@joyrider: The HAND cover YOU made suit the WICF style perfectly...EXACTLY what I thought to.
Will be interested to see what you design in the future
roxonthemoon said on January 25, 2004 20:38:
am i stupid or is per’s head “wrong”?? i found this picture (joyriders hand-cover) in my collection but per’s head looks very different!!!???
carbon_boy said on January 26, 2004 06:51:
Argh. Someone got a copy of Photoshop again.
No comment.
Cheers
flower said on January 26, 2004 07:28:
Still all the credits go to the person who took the pictures.
It’s his/her idea to style them like this and to pose them like that. All the rest is just personal taste!
It’s easy to create a cover if the pictures are great. You only decide on colour, fonts and how to align the text.
Sorry. Didn’t excite me...
roxtexanet said on January 26, 2004 15:56:
I don’t agree with these last few comments... selecting a design, even if you weren’t involved in the photography, is still an artform in itself... we’ve all seen these pictures before, but here they are in a whole new context and it really changes the way they come across to the viewer. Just think of how different the “Look Sharp!” sleeve would have looked if the same cover photo had been set against a solid blue background instead of the newspaper design we all know!
roxtexanet said on January 26, 2004 16:03:
I think what Joyrider said about the sleeve influencing the perception of the music is really, really fascinating (and true). The sleeve of “Have a Nice Day” is bright, colourful, in your face, and unapologetic, and I think this is a great reflection of the music on the album... it highlights songs like “Crush On You,” “Stars,” “7Twenty7,” and “YCPYAAWAG,” which (like ’em or hate ’em) are the spirit of this album... neither the music nor the sleeve takes itself too seriously, so I think the sleeve spoke well for the album. I think Roxette were trying to convey a sense of youthfulness and fun in both the music and the sleeve, and I think they succeeded with both... you know from the sleeve that this ain’t no Sarah McLachlan album... (-:
maiken said on January 26, 2004 18:14:
Florian! Those booklets inlays are just beautiful. That’s the first adjective that popped into my head when I saw them!! Keep up the good work!!
flower said on January 27, 2004 07:14:
I didn’t say the covers don’t look good. They look fine to me. But all comments about whether “Roxette should use a fan to design the booklet” and “wonderfull, much better than the original” are really too easy.
The photographer is the most important ingredient of a design however. If it wasn’t for him/her there would be no good material lying around to be photoshoppin’ with.
Jud (moderator) said on January 27, 2004 07:26:
well so thanks to the photographer for the pictures and a HUGE thanks to Joyrider for playing with those pictures and make them look fantastic :)
take a look at his website and at the other material, his designs ARE good :)
clerk said on January 27, 2004 07:56:
Did take a look on his website, it looks good, personally think it’s better than the booklet designs, which I think are not that special, not bad at all, but nothing to be too excited about, sorry....
Luckely people have different tastes...
btw Joyrider placed his work here so we could see and judge it, so expect positive and negative responses, that is the way this world works...
carbon_boy said on January 27, 2004 07:59:
@roxtexanet & flower: Exactly!!! ;o)
@roxonthemoon: I guess I’m allowed to raise my opinion, right? There’s more to designing a cd cover than to take a photo, add some colour to it and slap the title on it. It’s all about concept. Art&design IS all about concept. That’s why a Britney sleeve looks so boring compared to a Roxette sleeve or a Radiohead one, etc. cos there is none! Every album sleeve of Roxette had some reason for being / had some thought behind it. Those that didn’t (P.O.P/Baladas) were boring compared to LS!, Joyride, Tourism, C!B!B!, HAND & BH/PH.
Think about it and look again at those sleeve designs you hold up in such high regard.
Cheers
joyrider said on January 27, 2004 13:17:
*lol*
cool down everybody (c; some of you are taking this covers too serious ... nice. really an honour for me. concerning my website: don’t judge me, i learned html and css 3 month ago and 2 month ago i got dreamweaver - so this is the result of it...
please don’t understand me wrong: in my opinion most of roxette’s covers are really nice (specially: ls, cbb, rs) and i think the hand cover idea itself is not bad at all but the way they made it is just awful! the colors and the chaotic terrible cuts with photoshop (f.e. marie’s hair and the feet of the naked children in the back) makes the cover look like a collage from a person who discovered the cut and paste modul for the first time ... i guess the mix of 6 or 7 different fonts is a matter of taste.
in brief: thank you for your response and i am not against roxette’s excisting artwork ...
°°° rock on!
thomasc said on January 27, 2004 14:44:
WOW - THE HAND ONES ARE REALLY COOL!!!
PLEASE CAN WE HAVE THEM IN FULL SIZE?!?!??!
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE????
HummingBird said on January 27, 2004 20:17:
“the way they made it is just awful! the colors and the chaotic terrible cuts with photoshop (f.e. marie’s hair and the feet of the naked children in the back) makes the cover look like a collage from a person who discovered the cut and paste modul for the first time ...”
Maybe that’s the intention behind it LOL...trying to think of some kind of “philosophy” that this would imply for the album itself...LOL...I hope I’m wrong here *g*
(and this is NOT me saying I don’t like HAND...in fact I just discovered again that I do...)
erweetiran said on January 27, 2004 21:31:
@Carbon boy: Someone raised an interesting point about the feet of one of the baby’s being cut off and there is something wrong with the arm of the one baby, have you asked Karl about this? Just an interesting thing I would like to know, but the HAND cover still ROX though.
antz said on January 28, 2004 22:51:
I like the ’in ya face’ look of the HAND cover.
At first you think that its just been thrown together, but there has been some thoughts behind it.
I think it doesnt matter if they have that rough cou-out look , I mean they are on an artificial background anyway.
I love the colors, when I saw the back cover I immediately thought ’CMYK’ (a term used in the printing industry for those colors)
The different typefaces for each track give the songs their own personality.
ANd I love the sky/sea photo its so dramatic and a contrast to everything else.
I wouldve liked to have seen the photos that joyrider used, rather than that multiple marie montage.
Anyway, dont be discouraged, joyrider, keep up the good work!
joyrider said on January 29, 2004 10:32:
why only use CMYK if there is PANTONE? (c;
i guess that roxette weren’t satisfied at all with the cover so this is maybe the reason why it was the last job for magnus / the design agency ...
finding a connection between the cover and the sound of hand: both used new techniques and tired everything the program offers (photoshop/rox’soundprogram) ...
carbon_boy said on January 29, 2004 12:00:
@Erwee: Nope, I didn’t. Check jou mail vir meer besonderhede.... ;o)
@Antz: Spot on! ;o)
@Joyrider: Actually Karl-Magnus has designed for Roxette since then - the HAND singles, the DVD and the Mazarin sleeve, singles and backdrops for the concerts. The only reason why he didn’t design the latest sleeves were because of governmental projects and other more time consuming projects he had lined up. Currently he’s working with mrG on the art for the upcoming Gyllene Tider project.
Cheers
joyrider said on January 29, 2004 14:48:
interesting... does magnus has a website? could you please post it?
btw: for me the 1st dvd cover and rs-tour posters looked like they have been made for a circus ... brown on red and this symbols ... maybe a matter of taste but in my opinion with this nice pictures akerlund shot, a different and more exclusive design would have been possible!
°°°
joyrider said on January 29, 2004 14:55:
i found out by myself: – yeah, realy amazing work! maybe he offers a job for 2 month in summer? (c;
Jud (moderator) said on January 29, 2004 14:56:
anybody remembers the magnus krapus thing from that funny site? :P
NeverendingRoxette said on January 29, 2004 17:40:
oh man, your work is great! hee heee heee! wow!
I really love it! you should work for roxette as their cover maker!!!! yeah, joyrider!
Robrox said on January 29, 2004 20:43:
Yes, it´s great. I like the colours but I want to see Per´s face on the cover.
Lars-Erik_Olson (moderator) said on January 29, 2004 23:51:
[EDITOR’S NOTE:] I must say that I’m very pleased and impressed with this thread. The person who started it – joyrider – took both positive AND NEGATIVE comments, and said that he appreciated them ALL. A very mature attitude. A tip of my hat to you! [don’t know if that expression translates into German]
Additionally, the people who did have something negative to say.. either about the design work, or about what some other SmallTalker had to say... said those things in a reasonably respectful way (without flaming or calling anybody stupid, etc.)
As many of you know, it hasn’t always been this way in SmallTalk. I’m pleased to see the change.
[ I just realized that I might be encouraging others to comment on what I’ve just written... when it’s actually “off topic” for this thread.... I’d rather that not happen, OK? ]
carbon_boy said on January 30, 2004 05:37:
@Joyrider: Thanx for the email - replied already. :o) Cheers
gessleism said on February 2, 2004 16:25:
joyrider >> Congratulations. Your HAND cover is really great. I almost prefer yours than the original one.
PerFanatic said on February 8, 2004 07:38:
(posted by flower on 1/26/04)
“Still all the credits go to the person who took the pictures.
It’s his/her idea to style them like this and to pose them like that. All the rest is just personal taste!
It’s easy to create a cover if the pictures are great. You only decide on colour, fonts and how to align the text.
Sorry. Didn’t excite me...”
I’m afraid I don’t agree with your comments here, and this is why. You say that “ALL” of the credits go the photographer. Not so… SOME of them certainly do… maybe even the majority of them… but not ALL of them. I am a semi-professional photographer, and I can tell you that the only time I deserve ALL the credit for 1 of my photographs is if I print, frame it, or present it myself. I’ve sold photos to publishing companies who have used them mostly in calendars. In that case, I deserve most of the credit, but the person who designed the calendar… who enhanced the look of my picture through cropping, font additions, etc. also deserves some of the credit.
In this case though, he deserves a much larger portion of the credit than you are giving him. I would caution you to be careful about stating that something is “easy” when you most likely haven’t mastered that art yourself. If it is so easy, then I’m sure we’d all be happy to see some of your designs. I’ve dabbled a little in this area and from my standpoint, it’s certainly not what I would call easy.
You are right about one thing… personal taste. These covers didn’t excite you… but almost everyone else in here seemed to love them. If I was the designer, I’d be pretty happy with a 90% “sell rate” on something like this. Fact is, Rox fans are the usually the biggest critics when it comes to stuff like this. I Roxette’s management knows a good thing when they see it, they’ll jump at these types of designs. Good luck… it’s really top-notch work!
Galning said on February 8, 2004 14:02:
Hej Joyrider,
that´s really great work. I love your covers!!! I could almost think you are a “professional”. You should ask Per to design the next cover! ;-)
joyrider said on February 8, 2004 17:06:
(c; thank you all! @ Galning: if you give me per’s number i’ll call him to ask ;o)
flower said on February 8, 2004 17:33:
to Perfanatic:
You’re right, not all the credits go to the photographer, someone allready pointed that out to me earlier on. That’s why I have tried to explain my point of view as a reaction on that some days ago like this:
“The photographer is the most important ingredient of a design however. If it wasn’t for him/her there would be no good material lying around to be photoshoppin’ with.”
This also counts if you sell your pictures for what use what-so-ever. Stand up for yourself! As a photographer you’re only satisfied with the best you can do, if it’s not the quality you want, your not handing the pics out just to make money. The person that uses your picture for a calendar obviously likes your point of view, the lighting and the way you catch the object. And because of that he decides to put the effort in it aswell, to present the picture in the way he thinks would be best.
Since you don’t know me it’s not for you to decide whether I could design, be creative or not. You might be surprised!
But I can tell you this, I’m not an editor, so don’t try to catch me on one word.
joyrider said on February 8, 2004 17:53:
doubtless a lot of the credits go to the photographer but as frequently happens, the photographer and designer work out a art concept together for a booklet or whatever ... so i tried without knowing the concept behind the photos, to design the best i could with those pictures and give them a new feeling (or spirit).
its always nicer to read positive comments but i would also like to thank you for your critics and statements whicht show a different point of view!
flower said on February 8, 2004 18:23:
Hey Joyrider, don’t get me wrong.
Your designs look really good. All I wanted to express is that I don’t agree with the all ’halleluja’ in the other comments.
To me it felt that ’everybody’ was putting down the original designs and ’demanding’ a design like yours. And if all your work looks like this, well go for it. But can you create a whole new thing from the start, no material lying around, starting from zero? I think lots of us do not have a clue how difficult that is. (and I know that unfortunately you’re not able to take pictures of Per and Marie by yourself, if so I’d like to have a go aswell, that’s why your stuck with secondhand material) But if you had the opportunity, could you?
erweetiran said on February 9, 2004 19:11:
@joyrider: didn’t think you would get this much response did you ;o)
What I would like to add is:
Obviosly your HAND design will never be good enough to be an actual cover, BUT there are very good ideas lying around on the cover you have created. so if you would create something of your own with that ideas and turn it into concept it will always work. Just like your first cover (not the hand one) Look at the back of the Affermation cd of Savage garden...your back cover kicks that cover’s ass, it just go to show you have potential ,just need direction
PerFanatic said on February 10, 2004 06:49:
“Obviosly your HAND design will never be good enough to be an actual cover”
Huh? How can you say something like that? If you don’t like it, then fine, just say that. The original HAND front and back covers were attrocious, and so were the HAND singles... yet they were published?! Let’s take a little vote here. Which do you prefer? Here’s my vote:
HAND front: joyrider’s version
HAND back: joyrider’s version
PerFanatic said on February 10, 2004 06:55:
flower: no offense meant. I agree that the most important part of most photo-based art is the actual photo itself. However, even good or great photos can easily be ruined by putting them into an imcompatible or flat out wrong layout or format.
Case in point, the HAND photos. Some really good shots were taken of Per & Marie during that time frame, but the resulting HAND design did not use them to their full potential. When you then look at joyrider’s HAND design, everything fits nicely and blends together. A far cry from that neon mess that got published...
carbon_boy said on February 10, 2004 07:14:
@ PerFanatic: How many times has this been said - IT’s ALL ABOUT PERSONAL TASTE!!! You have given no reason whatsoever why you think that HAND is BADLY DESIGNED. Therefore, your opinion is purely based on your personal taste. You obviously prefer low-key, safe design. Well, good for you. Next time you should mention WHY HAND is of poor design (and no, saying that the colours are terrible, etc is not a justified answer - once again, that has to do with taste). I think you need to go back a page or two and read what others have said. Why the cover is the way it is, etc.
Oh yea, my vote: Karl-M’s HAND design.
Cheers
flower said on February 10, 2004 07:15:
PerFanatic:
Right! I think we can shake hands now. We both meant the same, just picked other words.
(although I’m not with you on the HAND-discussion)
grisu said on February 10, 2004 13:40:
I like this artwork. Somehow it´s got soul. But I don´t think Per would like the fact that his face can´t be seen.
CanadianRoxboy said on February 12, 2004 14:43:
@ joyrider
Would you mind if I printed the HAND covers off and used them as the cover for my copy of HAND? I wanted to run it by you first.
CDNRXBY - Jon
Markuz said on February 12, 2004 16:50:
Wow, I didn’t know we had so many photographers and graphic design experts among us*
(*)This has been a sarcastic® comment.
OK, so everyone is entitled to his own opinion. But if you didn’t like joyrider’s design in the first place, why post it here? And if you really want to post, do it in a polite manner. There’s no need to be mean.
You know, this is what I hate about TDR. You come up with this great idea and then everybody is telling you how bad your work is and how you suck.
And then they say the internet helps people socialize... *rolls eyes*
Jud (moderator) said on February 12, 2004 17:42:
Just wanted to add: I wonder how objective one can be when you know the “original” HAND cover designer and maybe you get to see stuff “in advance”...ehem, how many of us know Joyrider? ;)
carbon_boy said on February 13, 2004 06:36:
@ Markuz: Actually, your “sarcastic comment” couldn’t be closer to the truth. There is a bunch of graphic designers on this forum. Just deal with it. We know what we’re talking about - you might not think so, but we do. We didnt study for 5 years and have been working in the industry for some years after that just to shut up when people make negative comments about what we hold in high regard. Would you?
@ Judith: Hmmm, I guess jealousy makes you nasty? I thought >Moderators
joyrider said on February 18, 2004 21:22:
@ carbon-boy: i haven’t done anything about an internship yet but i promise i’ll do ;) cheers!
@ all replies: it is just amazing how much response this topic got ... a huge THANK YOU!
joyrider said on February 21, 2004 12:45:
do not hesitate and send me your pic ... i’ll do my best ...
joyrider said on February 26, 2004 21:39:
well done lawyer!
some news: finally i got a new BIG design project ... design for an album cover and website for a new band but names etc. are still very secret and no, it’s not roxette *lol* ... if the work is done i’ll present it here if you want (c;
Jud (moderator) said on February 26, 2004 21:41:
great!!!! :D:D:D congrats! that’s a start! Wish you all the best!
(it’s not Verena is it? ;))
wildcolor said on February 27, 2004 20:40:
Congrats Joyrider and Lawyer, the pic is quite sexy and the site is beautiful, I would like to surf more when I get time.
joyrider said on January 24, 2004 16:52:
today i was very motivated to design a complete new album cover for a possible next roxette album! i tried to use fonts and colors they never used before and they would probably never ever risk an artwork like this one. i would like to hear your critix. do you like it or couldn’t you imagine a design like this one on UNDERWATER TEARS for a roxette album? btw: the title comes from a song of mine, which is a rock song with a lot of clear electronix so maybe this influenced my work...
but now: click and look :)
[front] http://www2.users.fh-sbg.ac.at/~ffrandl/f-act.it/diverses/f-act.it_roxet...
[back] http://www2.users.fh-sbg.ac.at/~ffrandl/f-act.it/diverses/f-act.it_roxet...
°°° rock on!