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NeverendingRoxette said on December 3, 2003 18:25:

I know, in Sweden there are about 97% Protestants and 2% Catholics. But what is Per and Marie’s religion?

I’ve just read the discussion about the Salvation video - it’s said, that the fruits in this video are religious symbols . . .

Does somebody have a clue?

MiracleMan said on :

Per’s a member of the Church of Your Heart. . .

GTiG said on :

I would say they are protestants, just like most other swedes... but then again... I suppose we’d have to ask them about it in order to know for sure...
I know that Per don’t think I know “my bible” well enough though... since I didn’t know what “exodus” ment and ofcourse had to ask him about that after one of the concerts this summer...
“Don’t you know your bible? It means...” was his exact words, but in swedish.

daniel_alv said on :

i looked exodus up in the dictionary. what does it have to do with the bible?

I don’t really belive in that 97% thing... There are many swedes that doesn’t belive in any religion at all... So I don’t belive that only 1% is not christian....

Jud (moderator) said on :

exodus is a part of the bible or? have no clue, never read it neither I consider myself christian (even I was born Catholic :S)

Mari said on :

97% is definetly not true.

MiracleMan said on :

Seriously? What does it have to do with the Bible? Looked it up in my dictionary too and the first definition defines it as coming from the Bible.

1st five books: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Dueteronomy. The Pentatuch in the Jewish Torah. Refers the the flight of the Jews from Egypt.

rox74ever said on :

which roxette song has exodus?

roxgirl_germany said on :

Per’s song “Om du bara vill” has the line

”...innan du gör ditt eget exodus...”

in it.

per_mson said on :

I looked it up in the statistics and 84% of us Swedes are protestants.

JimPhelps said on :

Roxette IS a religion! :-)

tevensso (moderator) said on :

Swedes are born into the state religion, which is the Protestant, or should I say Lutheran version of Christianity. If you want, you can leave the church, but normally not many do. So yes, in theory all Swedes are religious, in reality, I’d say that we have a rahter low percentage “real” Christians. On a side note, we also have about one million immigrants here now that are for the most part muslims.

Edit: typo.

Rony said on :

hey guys. l’m jewish, so i’m not really farmiliar with the christian religions... could someone explain to me what does a protestant means? like, what he/she believes in? are they really religous like the catholics?

daniel_alv said on :

tev: you are not born into the church anymore....

Anarem said on :

@Rony: difference between Catholicism and Protestantism? Well, let’s just say it all began with a guy named Martin Luther, a piece of parchment, and a door...

LoneGunman said on :

@roxgirl-germany - This verse is from “Vilket Håll Du Än Går”, not from “Om Du Bara Vill” !! :)

@Rony - The difference is simple... a long ago, a guy called Martin Lutero decided to create his own church because he didn’t agree with some things done by the Catholic Church... many others followed Lutero, and this religion that was created to “protest” against some things done by Catholic church, is named Protestants.
The only difference between Catholic and Protestant’s faith is that, at least here in Brazil, the Protestants do not believe that Mary (mother of Jesus) is a Saint and they do not acept some dogmas from the Catholic church.

To keep this Rox-related, as long as I know, both Per and Marie are Protestants

All the best
LoneGunman

colinvdbel (moderator) said on :

Why would you assume theyre christians at all?
There are a lot of people who have other religions.....

Rony said on :

that’s a good point, how do you know they ARE christians and not something else??

NeverendingRoxette said on :

okay, the % are not right - looked after it again . . . ops!

Once Per said in a chat, that the reason, why they wrote “Love is all”, was christianity. . .

so, I do believe, they are christians!

Rony said on :

yeah, ok, so if they are, what i’m asking is are they religious or not? cause being a christian doesn’t mean you are religious...

tevensso (moderator) said on :

They both claim they aren’t religious, but they both say they have some sort of “faith”.

lawyer said on :

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daniel_alv said on :

why isn’t there someone more then me that belives in something, but not belives in the religion?

i mean, christianity sais that all human has the same value, but they don’t allow homosexuals... isn’t that strange?

there are some more differences between protestants and catholivs... accually there are many... and also I have to say that Sweden is a very not religios country... yeah, we have churches and many people go to them, but we don’t let the religion control our lives... church is more a place to meet and sing...

and some years ago the swedish church was seperated from the government, so only those who are members in the church pays taxes to them.... and there are more and more people every year who stop beeing a member of it....

Markuz said on :

*agrees with daniel_alv*

I’m staying away from any kind of organized religion. All they want is money and power.

LittleSpooky said on :

*puts on flame retardant underwear*

This is goin by the way of the flames.

My question is this: DOES IT REALLY MATTER WHAT FAITH / RELIGION / INVISIBLE LITTLE PERSON THEY PRAY TO??? Or can you enjoy good music without draggin all the baggage along with it?

Sascha said on :

One of Roxette’s good points is that they don’t wanna push you into some direction of religion, politics or other personal business! As I understand it, Marie and Per are some sort of christians, but not close to a church or something.

daniel_alv said on :

i’m with sascha.... i don’t think they are active in a church.... and yes, it doesn’t matter what thing someone belives in - Do What You Want But Harm No One

sparroweye said on :

didn’t per say something bout this in an interview?? something bout his parents being religious but he... *think think*
darn, can’t remember where I read that...

Ferdan said on :

“”Once Per said in a chat, that the reason, why they wrote “Love is all”, was christianity. . . “”

What chat? when?... any logs?

because I don’t believe it at all.

BTW: organized religion is evil ;)

daniel_alv said on :

ferdan >> u are right, as i see it’s religion that has vreated a lot of the evil on earth... and that is not what god wants, if he exists...

and about the thing with love is all.. ofcourse christianity can br the reason for it, but that doesn’t mean that per belives in it....

Rony said on :

I agree with Daniel!

GTiGessleland said on :

@Daniel_alv: So then... do you think he would have written that song, and made that comment, if he didn’t believe in what he has written?
I personally think that it would be very hard to write something you don’t believe in, and still make it sound like you do. Especially when it comes to music... since music is such a sensitive language...

daniel_alv said on :

that a song is ABOUT a thing doesn’t need to mean that it sais: yeah i belive in this, it can be about the total opposite...

i don’t know if per belives in god or not.. but that he said that song is ABOUT it doesn’t need to mean that he belives in it... i can write about god to without beliving in him....

zaine said on :

did per not once say he wasn’t sure about a God. that he wasn’t sure if he believed, but that perhaps he wanted to. or am I making that up?
but to be honest, does it actually matter??

Rony said on :

to me it doesn’t metter AT ALL!! i totally don’t care what he is and if he believes in god or not, i was just cerius, that’s all

MP80 said on :

It doesn’t matter at all whether they believe in a God or not. But it is impotant to distinguish between a religion and church. Some poeple seem to mix it up. Nobody believes in a church, that’s just an institution, people believe in God (s). If churches have sth. against homosexualily, commit crimes, etc., well, it’s a shame, but believing in God doesn’t necessarily mean agreeing with the institutions’ opinions.

daniel_alv said on :

i think it’s so bad to use gods name to make people hate homosexuals... and then say that they love everyone...

Johanlarsson said on :

Am I being a repeat???? But, the EXODUS that you say has come from Per is to do with the last book in the Holy Bible. The Bible is the same book used by Christians: that is Protestant, Catholic and Swedish Lutheran (is that what it is called to foreiners?). You would not know the Bible if you did not know that EXODUS was the book almost the end, I think in English revelations comes follows EXODUS!!! Bible, as a child I have been told to studies it for many hours, I don’t believe in everything, but I can answer any more questions on religion. Unfortunately, not Per & M’s religion!

One more edit (I am trying to make my English OK), any religion that told of homosexuals being evil, is evility itself. Why try to make people hate, but pretend that they are being good??

LoneGunman said on :

He He Hej

About “Love Is All” Per said that it was inspired in Christianity... can’t remember where I read that, but I’m 100% sure about that. I’ll try to find out where, ok ?

About Per’s faith... a long ago I read in the internet (I think it was in the haveaniceday.nu Q&As) the following question :

Q: Per, do you believe in God ?
A : Sometimes

All the best
LoneGunman

LoneGunman said on :

I’ve found it :

http://www.passagen.se/cafe/chat/kandis/arkiv/roxette/roxette.shtml

Look at this chat... the question about “Love Is All” is there, it’s the 2nd one that Per answer using the nickname “PELLE GEZZLE”. I think that proves my point !! :)

All the best
LoneGunman

NeverendingRoxette said on :

right, that’s the chat - thank you.
and thank you all for helping me to find some kind of answers and also talking about your own religion!

I’m sure that there’s a time in life, we all need to have something on our side - if it isn’t your lover - so it could be God!

Have a nice day!
And all the best!

DaminehGessle said on :

Do you really believe he meant it when he said Christianity in answer to that question? The guy didn’t answer 1 question seriously. I hate it when he uses his sense of humour to answer the questions fans prepare. Damn.

LittleSpooky said on :

Johan: Speaking for myself (me bein American and a foreigner to Sweden), I don’t think the categorize it as Lutheran, Russian Lutheran, Swedish Lutheran, etc. I could be wrong though.

I’m not Christian any longer, so I really can’t comment one way or another.

LoneGunman said on :

@ Damineh - Sorry, but for me Per answered seriously... “Love Is All” do sound like a “church kind of song”... he wasn’t joking.

ditroia said on :

There’s a Quote from Per Around the TWATG Days.

Reporter: “Do you Belive in God?”

Per: “The Question is Does God belive in Me”

Dave

Ferdan said on :

He seems to be joking...

actually, exactly what LoneGunman said is the reason why Per made that joke. Because it kinda sounds like a christian song
he made a song, it turned out to sound like a church song... so they/he joke about it.

LittleSpooky said on :

Dave: Damn... that’s pretty good.

LoneGunman said on :

I still believe that Per wasn’t joking... the question itself was serious and I don’t think he answered this question joking. And if he was joking, it was not funny at all.

All the best
LoneGunman

Max-Tob said on :

Religion is very important. Because people’s values are very important. I would be interested in my friends’ values...So, I think that talking about the (possible) Per & Marie’s religion is not pointless...On the contrary...

Our manners to connect ourself with the INVISIBLE are very relevant for who we are...

As far as I know, Marie believes in God. Per oscillates in his belief, but, on the whole, he thinks there is something “up there”.

NeverendingRoxette said on :

great max-tob!!!! great!!!!

Max-Tob said on :

Thank you very much, but it’s not necessary... I think this kind of remarks should be just common-sensical. We subestimate our inner most attraction to “what-can’t-be-seen”. In some way or another - even if we aren’t religious persons - our beliefs guide our lives more than we are ready to admit. We do/do not certain things because we have some kind of “premonitions” or “intuitions” regarding those things.
I suppose Per and Marie’s lives changed forever since Marie’s illness appeared. It also deals with their age. There is always a crisis around 45, you know? I suppose they evaluated a little bit their values...
We all should do that...

Ferdan said on :

for the sake of going totally offtopic.
I think that you Max-Tob have to re-evaluate your “values”... I mean, you have grown a really screwed line of thought if you think that “values” are exclusive for religion and religious people.

“”Religion is very important. Because people’s values are very important.”“
So what about atheists? Do you think they don’t carry any values?

Also, belief is totally separated to religion, belief is natural... religion is not. Belief is human nature, religion is more of a social feature.

Max-Tob said on :

Fedan, the atheism IS a value in itself... Religion is important because it is a value AMONG the others...
The main accent (in my comments above) was on VALUES, not on religion in itself... I also talked about BELIEFS (in things that are not touchable). So, I intended to avoid the term “religion” as much as I could...
Any decision that we make (including the decision not to believe in God) involves a “value grid”...
I didn’t refer to religion being THE value, but one among the others...

And one more thing: I may say that atheism involves value more than religion does, because people are usually born in a certain religion and they don’t make a special effort to be part of a certain palette of beliefs... In this respect, atheism IS a private rational action that implies lots of inner decisions and value judgments.
This is what I said. Maybe I didn’t use the right words, sorry.

BTW, I’m not a religious person.

Ferdan said on :

fine, but you got one wrong:
“”(including the decision not to believe in God)”“

We do not decide to belive in God or not... or belive in fairies or dragons, or Loki or Thor. We simply believe... and we simply don’t believe.

Max-Tob said on :

well... a theologian would contradict you... there are many ways to approach God... there is a theology called “rational theology” that Thomas D’Aquino consacrated it in the Middle Age, going on with the Aristote’s tradition in rationality. These theologians were called scholastical... Protestants (beginning with Luther, of course) are not very found of these kinds of rationalities regarding God, but the Catholic Church (and even the Orthodoxy from East Europe) have their rational Church Parents (this is how they call them)...
Uhmm... I think I over reacted...Anyway, it’s up to each of us... some of us “decide”, some of us just simply believe or not believe...
But again, atheism has a lot to do with decision...because we usually reject God with rational arguments...And rationality involves decisions...etc., etc.

Cheers.

Kiwein1 said on :

Doesn’t this discussion belong to OFF-TOPIC?

Starrox said on :

I guess it does now ;-)

Max-Tob said on :

Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry a thousand times. Won’t happen again. I promise.

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