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do please explain?
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erweetiran said on September 19, 2003 11:17:
I would just like to know something...
Why isn’t Roxette material that they “think” they will never released being sold via website...they are not making any money with it just lying around...so if they make $1 from it it, that would have been $1 they would not have have if they didn’t do it.
I’m sure there are ALOT of remixes laying around and other stuff they might never release, if they are never going to release these songs then what are they losing by releasing these songs via internet?
They always say they do alot for fans(and they do) but what they do isn’t JUST aimed for fans, its for everyone so why not do something for fans only.
It is just pointless for me to have something and see how long they can strech it out before presenting it to fans or even not presenting it at all.
gyllene_tjej said on September 19, 2003 13:13:
wishful thinking, seems like we won’t get these pearls too soon ;)
steven said on September 19, 2003 14:29:
@ erweetiran:
I think this is a good idea, at least in theory.
I’d happily pay a few bucks to download unreleased Rox material and I wouldn’t mind if it was raw demos either.
Sadly, I don’t think it would be very profitable for Per & Co as any such material would find it’s way illegally circulating the net via Kazza and email within hours of being released.
Sascha said on September 19, 2003 15:12:
Keep it for the time 10 years after Roxette stopped recording new songs. For releases like the Beatles anthology, you know?
ChrisWilliams said on September 19, 2003 19:59:
Roxette sheet music will soon be available on roxette.se , so perhaps songs may follow.
Who knows? :-)
tevensso (moderator) said on September 19, 2003 20:07:
But who will buy those? On ABBA.com the sheet music is $49 per song... :O (Björn, Benny and Per own the digital sheet music company).
jobarth said on September 19, 2003 22:41:
@ChrisWilliams
Where did you get the information about the sheet music on roxette.se
TheRain1981 said on September 20, 2003 06:35:
I agree. I often wonder why record companies love to keep things in the vaults for so long. It’s really a shame. There’s so much good material out there (from all artists) that doesn’t see the light of day till many years later. I agree that the Internet would be one good way of making this rare material available. And who really wants to wait 10 years to hear this stuff? I don’t!
ChrisWilliams said on September 21, 2003 13:25:
to take a look at digital sheet music, the address is http://www.abbasite.com/noteheads/index.php
It’s a little expensive to some, but well worth the money in my opinion.
StupidGirl said on September 21, 2003 14:09:
Maybe you should also look at this from the artist’s point of view. Often an artist writes many songs for an album but only 12 or 14 really appear on it. Did you ever think why that is? Or why many good pop albums last only 45 minutes even though they could easily make it 80 minutes. Maybe an artist doesn’t WANT that all of his material is published. They only want to give you the good stuff, the best stuff. Of course, when you’re a fan you’re often not very picky and are happy for everything your artist offers you. But artists may write songs they don’t think are very good. Songs they don’t want to give to the public, the fans, because they think they deserve something better.
Edit:
Of course that’s only a part of the whole thing. I know that record companies have their part, too. But still, think about it!
helle18 said on September 21, 2003 15:36:
I have to say, I’ve always thought that Per and Marie have been very generous in releasing demos or new tracks and so on. Most other artists I know of usually release a single with one remix of the same song as b-side, but Roxette almost always throw in a new song or a live version of a song or something.
Maybe that’s just my opinion!
erweetiran said on September 21, 2003 17:16:
Some great comments. I just think...a demo of the song for example small talk, what is the chances of them EVER giving it to us? Never right...so I just see it as a waste to be lying around for ever, I find it very interesting to listen to these versions and even if it makes it to kazaa or whatever the song would anyway not have made it to a cd EVER...so its basicly a fan thing
AND WHAT REALLY BLOW MY MIND IS THAT SOMEONE THAT HAVE THE POWER LIKE THE DAILY ROXETTE WON’T EVEN BOTHER BRINGING THIS UP WHEN THEY ARE IN CONTACT WITH PER AGAIN, AND SOMETHING THAT WILL TAKE ABOUT 2 SECONDS TO RESPOND TO WITH A YES, NO OR MAYBE IS TO MUCH
...but thanks for the demos and remixes you gave us up to date P and M
m-cvk said on September 22, 2003 07:35:
To know more about digital sheet music, go to www.noteheads.com .There’s also a picture with Per :-)
flower said on September 22, 2003 14:07:
All these demo’s and remixes are just not good enough to Roxette-standards. They just don’t want low-quality music to be given out in their name. NATURALLY!
You want to be remembered by all the great terrific songs you’ve made. Not the try-outs that are b-quality.
Guess thats the main reason...
erweetiran said on September 22, 2003 18:29:
Very good point...and that is why I think they don’t release them on their albums...so they don’t release the songs the make them available...
like everything else in life, movies: dvd releases give bloopers interviews and all kinds of crap, but that doesn’t detract from the actual movie, its just seen as bonus material anyway I just think it is a waste to have stuff you will never use and that you can make available...how many of you have demos that are realy bad and that demo made you think less of them? Kinda wanna hearda COY mixes!!!
Kiwein1 said on September 22, 2003 18:33:
I don’t think that there is a really really bad Roxette-demo out there..(-;
Even the Roxette-demos are sometimes more professional than other band’s finished versions.
ChrisWilliams said on September 22, 2003 19:02:
I don’t long for demos - I feel Per, Marie and EMI have been kind to the fans in giving us what we want.
I don’t seem any problem in the public hearing demos, as it shows that Per and Marie are true songwriters: They try things out. Sometimes things work, sometimes things don’t. This is all part of the recording process.
Half of you will shoot me for saying that I’d imagine that Per and Marie would agree with me. They’ve given us *lots* of demos, so they obviously don’t see a problem in people listening to how a song was formed.
ChrisWilliams said on September 22, 2003 19:12:
However...!
We can’t expect demos which have never transformed into officially released songs. I think Per and Marie should hold onto these until they have recorded a suitable version, before letting us hear how th song started out.
erweetiran said on September 22, 2003 19:19:
@Chriswilliams
Thank you I didn’t know how to say it but you did it. You are a true example of alot of people out there who sits back and say “oh thanks” same with the telephone rates...it goes up and people just except that is the way it is, we should thank the telephone company because they had low rates last year and next year it goes up again and then we thank them for giving us something we complained about the previous year(if that makes sense) but anyway, yes its great that they give us demos and stuff like that but i still see NO REASON WHY they CANT make stuff that is just gathering dirt available for people that is suporting them like we are...The day I get a reply from PER GESSLE HIMSELF I will understand, but till that day I will see it as someone who is spitefull, I am sure that fans will make the site for him for FREE all they have to do is supply the songs, so there us almost no effort from their part...and b.t.w Chriswilliams, I am not picking on you, I’m just saying we should stop excepting things the way they are and stop saying yes and amen for everything they say...If we are not cool with release dates we should be heard...and I am not cool with them not giving us something that will cost them nothing nor effort.
ChrisWilliams said on September 23, 2003 20:52:
To get *any* song on a website takes time: As a small example, you have to get authorisation from the various publishers, the artistes and their management’s approval to “ok” such a release. It’s not just a case of uploading something to www.roxette.se.
There’s also the issue of demand. There simply isn’t a huge demand for demos. Even if every member of The Daily Roxette wanted them, there still wouldn’t be a big enough reason for EMI to go to such lengths.
With all due respect, I don’t see why you believe we aren’t getting any more demos... After all, Roxette’s most recent single carried a demo recording :-)
erweetiran said on September 24, 2003 10:02:
You are not getting what I am saying. If the demo belongs to EMI, sure then yes I’ll understand why it could be a problem but otherwise, it is just up to the artist to upload and bam there it is, if no-one downloads it then it wouldn’t be a loss if 1 person download it then well good for him, but at least the artist showed some curtacy for doing more that usual, bryan adams does the same you get demos all over his singles but if he has right to demos that he knows he will never put on a single or cd then it will take him the time to upload the demo to the site for his fans thats all, because if that is all it takes to make if available for fans and it is not done then it is poor in my eyes
ChrisWilliams said on September 24, 2003 18:52:
As I have explained, it costs time and money to get music online. (A personal example I’m referring to is the problem Universal Music had in getting ABBA’s songs onto their official website - Only clips of 1 minute each are available on that site).
Anyway, it’s up to those concerned. Maybe Per and Marie don’t want us to hear all demos ever made and more!
;-)
ChrisWilliams said on September 24, 2003 18:53:
Oh, and I am getting what you’re saying. I just don’t think you’re looking at the concept correctly :-P
erweetiran said on September 24, 2003 19:09:
final post I promise...I’m getting it...I am saying if the demos is the property of Per Gessle and not the record company and the decisions has to be made without any managers and stuff like that then I can’t see why we cant have it but if it is to complicated for them to do something like this then fine I understand...as for the quality of there voice...I don’t think marie is that hot live and Some of the demos received like spending my time that was “stolen” if I recall correctly was really not that bad so what they might think is bad, isn’t always what is true...think that was the 2 points to discuss
as for web hosting money to get it up ect...Let’s say Per pays $300 to have it up for one day only...thats not a bad present for fans all around the world, but again if emi and managers are involved I can understand why they don’t do it
StillFar said on September 19, 2003 13:06:
good idea...you should write Per ;)