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to be gay and christian

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twotall37814 said on July 2, 2003 19:43:

hay im a 17 year oldgay guy who is a christian
and i hear of other people like me but ive never met or talked to 1 except 4 Marsha stevens a lez christian singer song writer. and i would love to hear from others. if any one u know needs help coz their gay and christian give them my email address at
[email protected]
OR [email protected]

love to hear your opinions what ever they may be

lawyer said on :

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LittleSpooky said on :

Do we have to be either just to talk?

RuRoxLove said on :

I’m sure that’s impossible to be gay christian:)
That’s just like to be vegetarian and to eat meat, or to be pacifist and to be a soldier;)
That’s unavailabe. Roman pope and all other christian priests teach that beeng gay that’s a big sin!
Try to find out an other religion, this religion is not for you, sometime you’ll get it:)

zaine said on :

RuRoxLove, you can’t choose you’re religion. well, not if you have all of your faith in one in the first place.

purplemedusa said on :

RuROx... if THAT’s not homophobic I don’t know...!!

Suz, ur a tad random ’ey?

Jud (moderator) said on :

surely you can be gay and christian, you only have to love somebody of the same sex as yours and believe in Jesus and God, not that difficult, or?

Believing in God has nothing to do with what a bunch of people sitting in the highest positions of a church, in this case catholic.

Note that being _christian_ doesn’t mean you are catholic, u can be evangelist/protestant, old catholic, orthodox and many more. Protestant, for instance, couldn’t care less about what the Pope has to say ;)

ncurran said on :

and dont forget the thousands of gay priests out there....are they christians?

zaine said on :

PM, I wasn’t being random at all, I just don’t agree with saying “Try to find out an other religion, this religion is not for you, sometime you’ll get it”

Santi said on :

I don’t think there’s something of being gay that stops you from being christian. It’s not even difficult. It’s more difficult to be a jewish geologist...

Kazza said on :

The two passages often quoted to expel Christians from the church are these:

1 Corinthians 6

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.

Leviticus 18:22

“Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.”

These definitely show that homosexual acts are sins, but they do not exclude offenders from the church. All are sinners, and we cannot control the way in which the Devil chooses to tempt us. The important thing is that Jesus saved all sinners, and can heal those who turn to him. Many Christians struggle with homosexuality, and it is up to the rest of their brothers and sisters to show them love and support.

It is perversion and needs repentance. This is hard. Very hard. It feels like your very identity is torn in two. In fact, it is being smashed into a thousand pieces! That is exactly what God does to all of us before he rebuilds us in his image.

We must throw ourselves at Jesus’ feet and ask for his forgiveness and mercy.

RuRoxLove said on :

I’m not homophobic, you got my words wrong!
I just wanted to say, that christian religion is homophobic. I live in country where orthodox confession dominates, and its priests also always talk about gays as about killers and other auful sinners.
I reccomended those guy who wrote this topic to find out an other religion because he is only 17 and I don’t think that’s so good for him to be christian and to fill himself guilty sinner everytime, that’s no good for anyone, espetially for a young one.

Anarem said on :

@Kazza:

I’m guessing you’re a fundamentalist Christian, so I will explain this in words that you will understand, direct from the Bible:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

– John 3:16

ncurran said on :

Kazza, your words are unbelievably patronising...even if you think you are being kind telling gay people of their “perversion”.
Its easy to quote the bible, a book written by men like me who wrote their own interpretation of their beliefs. What i find unbelieveable about fundamentalist christians like yourself is that you are very selective of the verses you choose. If you wish to quote the above verses from the old testament, may i also ask you if you believe in other verses in the old testament such as woman cannot speak in church, or that if a man rapes a woman he must buy her for 50 shekels.
Can you be gay and christian? The answer is of course yes, because everyone can have a faith and make their own interpretation of a religion. In fact many churches now welcome gay people into their congregation. It is the fundamentalist “happy-clappy” wing of christianity that i find most disturbing. They are full of hyprocrisy and selective understanding of the bible.

Jud (moderator) said on :

kazza, this is surely your truth, but there’s life and other truths outside the bible/old testament and the catholic church, yes? Curious it doesn’t say anything about when an adult man lies with a kid the same way as he does with a woman?

And then people complain about islamic fundamentalists, you aren’t better, just that you base your words on another book (yet not another god). Sad.

World would be better without religions - yet not beliefs. It is all the manipulation and hunger of power all those in purple sitting above you like to exercise that spoils it.

Kazza said on :

@Anarem: I agree totally. Everyone, including homosexuals will be saved if they believe in Him.
They are welcome in church by genuine believers.

Jud (moderator) said on :

i guess this doesn’t matter for those who don’t believe in god/heaven/hell :)

girl7twenty7 said on :

why not?

For me being gay and being christian aren’t directly connected things, they shouldn’t affect each other.

If a person really believes in God (no matter of religion; religion is very personal thing and everyone choose it for himself, I mean choosing inner “rules” of living, ways of thinking...), the sexual orientation doesn’t matter, it’s not principal cos there are loads of more important things in man.

Oldag75 said on :

A gay friend of mine associates almost exclusively with a small group of males who are very valuable to him. There are men from everywhere who choose to do the same – from New York, from San Francisco, from Dallas...... from Nazareth

zaine said on :

I think that this pretty much sums everything up:
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that WHOSOEVER believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
– John 3:16
although this in itself can still confuse me, because it gives every man an excuse to sin and to become lazy. but I think if you are gay and a christian, then surely your belief would only increase? If you have a faith in your God then surely it is what you believe that counts?

hmmmm, confusing myself now

btw Neil, I just properly read your post through and I say; bingo :P

mardain said on :

I always have considered myself homofobico, but God has blessed me with a dozen of friends gay and as I cannot change the way to be of my friends I must tolerate them so as they are, I do not believe that it is a problem to be gay and Christian at the same time, I I am catolico but it does not marry to me and imliving with my fiancè, I do not confess since years and that I made many things that would not allow me to be a good Christian, also the priest does not say anything to me, since recognizes that we lived in the century xxi and he is only a man and he does not have right to judge to me by anything, and either with you, maybe you are a badly Christian just as I.

Anarem said on :

@kazza:

I am gay, and I am Christian. Do I feel like I should repent for falling in love only with women? No. I honestly believe that God, a loving God, wouldn’t send people to hell because of their sexual orientation. It just seems so damn petty!

antz said on :

And now for some comedy relief:
http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_law/homosexuality/lv18_22.html

Now you can have little yellow LEGO men explain the bibles teachings to you!

Oh and I agree with Judith, the world would be better without any religions.

Majdy said on :

I used to think that the world will be better without religion. But now, I think that is not the MAIN problem. But the people IN it that causing the problem. So, to me, the world will be better if the religious people can tolerate each other.
I am new Christian and I think my life gets better when I have religion.
I CAN tolerate with others, and I have many friends with different religion and sexual oriented, and so far we can get along together. So, I personally think that religion is a good thing, but again, it’s all depend to the people, no matter what religion, or matter what they believe.

Jud (moderator) said on :

yes that’s actually what I mean. I think religion is such a personal thing, there’s no harm in believing in a god (any, one or many, whatever), the problem is that some people wanted to have control over others and they created all this religions fuzz, forbidding this and that.

Lennon said on :

I have lot’s of trouble with religion and especially with a book like the bible being contracitious in itself.
On the one hand there is said very much in the old testament, that declaires homosexuality as a sin.

On the other hand Jesus himself does things that are forbidden in the old testament: he does not rest on sabbath, but collects wheat because “one who is hungry should eat” or even heals on sabbath, because he says that it cannot be wrong to help people.

In the new testament there are also links to the old one, but it is said that not WE should just other people for their sinns (like it was said in the Moses-books e.g.), because WE are sinners ourselves (the thing with throwing the first stone).

Nevertheless, in both, the old and new testament, there is said, that one rule is the most important: be loyal to your God.

And if you read the old testament, there are people like King David, who are presented as almost perfect, but even David for example sent an innocent person into death, just to take his wife for him.
But he always loved God.

So like the other quotes say, if we consider the New Testament as the “updated” message of the bible (which is of course the spirit of “Chrisianity”), the most important thing is to love God and to believe in Jesus.
And the other message is to love other people (even if they are you enemies).

And this is very different from the old testament.

We should not forget that human beings wrote the bible and that there are many “errors” that God should have known better (for example insects definetly have more than 4 legs; i counted them :-) ).

And humans always used bible to control other humans.
I can understand, if one believes in bible word by word, that he is convinced homosexuality is a sin, but then he should also remember the piece of wood in his own eyes!
I really become agressive when people from the catholic Church try to influence politics in those questions of sexual orientation.
I respect their believes and religion, but they should as well respect other people’s view of the world.

So I believe that one can be guy and a christian, but he cannot be guy and catholic (that really is like vegetarian and meat).

Have A Nice Day,

Mario.

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