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911
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Aaso said on June 21, 2003 05:47:
They are making the movie about “911” , what do you think about it? What it could be??
A kind firnedly Mr President who loves people ....
... Mr. President came back from a trip right before the accident. The 2 planes crush .... the 2 bulidings are gone. The World Trade Towers, and thousands of people in them. Then, Mr Bush-who cares most about people not oil-comes into the stage. “I’m sorry for the men who died innocently in twins towers. I will arrest the hatefull Bin Laden. I assure you I will take revange of all muslims in the world. Middle east is now our bigest enemy! I will kill Bin Laden, Saddam Hossein, Khomeini (OMG he’s already dead), Arafat, .... and so on ..... “
Then what will happen??
I can clearly sea every episod of the movie :))
coyboyusa said on June 21, 2003 14:37:
i wanst even gonna reply to this but i will dont u have anything interesting to discuss
xuxa said on June 21, 2003 15:32:
What??? don’t you think that talk about what is happening in OUR WORLD nowadays is an interisting discussion??? Talking about what people like your “friendly” president are doing is an interisting discussion????
Shane said on June 21, 2003 17:36:
Just curious - will this movie also include a section about the mass graves found after the war, where victims of Saddam’s regime were buried? Will it involve reinactments of those poor Iraqi women who cried and talked about their sons and husbands being taken from their homes and never seen again?
derek said on June 21, 2003 20:06:
dont think so shane you know how politicians like to cover their own ass and give other people the blame i wouldnt trust a politician as far as i could kick one they are allways nice to your face while pushing a knife in your back
Santi said on June 21, 2003 20:12:
xuxa said on June 21, 2003 20:35:
There are people suffering not only in Iraque, but in many other countries, for instance in Africa, where thousands of people have been killed, women and children rapped, human rights are constantly violated but people don’t do anything about it, don’t even talk about it. Why only Iraque?? Why???
And besides, is it really necessary to make a war to stop people suffering?? I don’t think so, because war KILLS TOO, war make people suffer, war DESTROYS.
The ONU inspectors were there before trying to make their job, trying to avoid this war, but Bush didn’t let them continue because he WANTED this war, because he is so ignorant. War is the weapon of the ignorant people.
derek said on June 21, 2003 20:53:
well said xuxa but you know how the world doesnt listen and politicians like to screw the innocent more is said over bullshit issues than the real issues and the world is blind and silent you know what i mean
LittleSpooky said on June 21, 2003 23:29:
I have a feeling that everyone here is WAY off base about what the 9-11 movie will be about. I recently watched a movie titled: “Rudy: The Rudy Giuliani Story”. It started out with what he was doing the morning of September 11th and back tracked to how he got to be where he was (Mayor of NYC) and the controversies surrounding him. Also, it showed what he went through dealing with the events of September 11th.
Did you know that one of his staffers had a husband who was a fire fighter? This man went down to identify the remains of her husband and brought back his wedding ring and his fire fighter’s badge. That was all that was left.
This movie will probably be speculation about how 9-11 was planned (no one has concrete proof of anything), how it was executed, and the aftermath.
Enough Bush bashing. I’m tired of hearing about it, and frankly, I don’t give a damn about what everyone else thinks about it. No one has anything good to say, and I don’t care about that either. Take a look at your own leaders before you start bashing others. Are your own leaders innocent? Do they tell the truth 100% of the time? Are they saints? I think not.
xuxa said on June 22, 2003 14:32:
I can’t talk for other people, but for me my leader is such a jerk as Bush is, he is not a saint at all. Now, he is allways licking Bush’s boots.
The war in Iraque was practically decided in Azores, and everytime I think about it I feel ashamed to be portuguese.
Shane said on June 22, 2003 14:44:
I agree with Little Spooky - enough Bush bashing.
Xuxa makes a good point - there is suffering all over the world! However, the world needs to make up their mind - they condemn the U.S. for the Iraq war, yet always expect the U.S. to help in times of crisis. The economic crisis in Latin America (peso devaluation) famine in North Korea, Aids crisis in Africa, SARS outbreak in Asia, etc - the world always expects and demands that the U.S. lead the way helping with every crisis. So if everyone thinks that the U.S. is greedy and led by bullies, then call upon some other country to help in times of need!
Bby the way - if the Iraqi war was about oil, why not attack the country that provides the U.S. with the most oil - CANADA! (The U.S. imports more from Canada than Iraq.)
LittleSpooky said on June 22, 2003 15:49:
And Aaso, I recommend that you do a little more research before you post something as ignorant as your opening post.
If I recall, President Bush was one of the LOUDEST voices in the call to prevent people from doing to the Muslims as was done to the Jews and Japanese during World War II. I suggest you come to America and look around. I don’t see any Muslims in concentration camps or anything like that. In fact, there were VERY FEW attacks against Muslims here. And those that were, got the hell thumped out of them by the community. I know, we had an incident in Salt Lake City, and before the police could arrest the men involved, they had to wait for them to get out of the hospital because their neighbours beat the tar out of them for it.
I can’t speak for other citizens, but I do know I resent your inflammatory remarks and I really WISH everyone would just lay off it all. Do you post this trash to piss people off, or are you really that ignorant?
If I hurt your feelings, deal with it. I’m tired of posts like yours. People like you who can’t leave things well enough alone deserve to get slapped back. Just like people who keep throwing up slavery, racism, hatred, bigotry as justification for thier actions.
Anarem said on June 22, 2003 16:16:
Hey, isn’t Off-Topic supposed to be a place to have fun and lively discussions? Where there are no borders, no religion, no colour?
I don’t mind political discussions– as long as they’re thought-provoking and intelligent– not some blatant attempt at baiting.
derek said on June 22, 2003 18:31:
yea guys whats the problem. what i said was nothing to do with the war in the middle east or any where else that was my personel view over politicians and politics and believe me i wont change my mind i dont trust them its as simple as that .and before some one attacks me no matter where you may live think of the politics in your own land some is good and some is dirty but most is dirty .im not bush bashing or any other high in charge person.but politics has been the ruin of many a good county and its people
zeeshan said on June 22, 2003 19:43:
I am getting REALLY TEMPTED to join this conversation. Just waiting to see COYBOY start something or JEFF joining it or errrrrr something good enough to make me start posting ;)
Spooky you are so close to be marked as a “flamer” in this thread. So watch out for the moderators.
Aaso, just wait till the movie comes out. It is their media. They can show anything and everything and no one can do about it. U.S. (much like other countries) use it’s media for propaganda and such movies just take things to other level. LEt us not care about it.
Z
Anarem said on June 22, 2003 19:47:
Oy vey, enough with this stupid subject.
What country *doesn’t* use propaganda?
And honestly Zee, Spooky is just expressing her frustrations. I too have noticed the antagonism and the anti-Americanism that some people here have expressed– why can’t we just leave the politics and religion and all that bullsh*t outside? This place is supposed to be like a friendly pub– when someone makes a false statement like “Bush wants to kill all the Muslims” you know it’s provocation, it’s baiting– pure and simple. What do you expect people to do? Say nothing?
LittleSpooky said on June 22, 2003 21:21:
Zee: Don’t care if I get nailed as a “flamer”. What Aaso said was wrong, inflammatory, and borderline bigotry. And I’m tired of it.
Shane said on June 23, 2003 03:06:
Well said Little Spooky - the anti-American comments I have read on this site have absolutely shocked me.
I hope Little Spooky does not get flamed - she is defending her country against baseless attacks.
I would love to use this thread for a great debate. However, for debate, people need to exchange facts, not hurl insults.
Why not discuss this on a calm and rational level?
LittleSpooky said on June 23, 2003 05:10:
Shane: Politics, religion, sex, and a couple of other topics are ones that are so volitile by their very nature, that it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to discuss without passion and emotions. I’m game, and I can do it dispassionately, however, not everyone can.
zeeshan said on June 23, 2003 05:21:
Shans: lols we tried that already but scroll up and read everything and you will understand that it won’t work. Defending the country or not defending it doesn’t Aaso and Spooky any right to flame each other. HELL NO.
Z
Ferdan said on June 23, 2003 07:53:
“Enough Bush bashing. I’m tired of hearing about it, and frankly, I don’t give a damn about what everyone else thinks about it. No one has anything good to say, and I don’t care about that either. Take a look at your own leaders before you start bashing others. Are your own leaders innocent? Do they tell the truth 100% of the time? Are they saints? I think not.”
name another actual leader that invaded another country, dismissed the UN, and acused everyone not supporting the War on iraq of terrorist supporter (you’re either with us or against us)
The world has even more right to criticize Bush than Americans themselves, because we(the world) didn’t elect him, and he’s messing with international affairs, if he messed with US only affairs it would be very different....
So if other leaders lie, they mess with their own people... and not the rest of the world.
No WMD, no terrorist links, nothing of what he accused iraq of having has been found...
oh well, let’s change the subject
Aaso said on June 23, 2003 11:22:
now I see you can not just read and JUST tell your own ideas. you can not avoid flaming others. you could just say what you think. was it that hard???
Yes my leader is also a devil. but he is only a devil for me; not you not other countries. BUT Bush is an international one. he has so many things to do to thers not just his own country.
* I suggest you come to America and look around. I don’t see any Muslims in concentration camps or anything like that.*
I suggest you come out of your american box and see the real crule world ...
Tara I do not know why the hell do you hate me, but its not the same here. Whatever you say about me its your own idea and I still think of you as a dear friend ....
People do you see this topic an unnessecery one??? so go on and post in such topics like : I do not trust people; dating agency; The sIlLy thread; kazaa matters and so on ... :)
Z ;)
derek said on June 23, 2003 19:16:
hey people chill out please this is getting out of hand these topics can be volatile if we cannot control our emotiones and speak rationaly. this world is a crazy fucked up place but its a world that i love lets not bring hate into these topics as i enjoy talking to you ok. so please no hate .no fighting .no flaming .and no name calling even if you dissagree about what is being said people have a right to an opinion even if its not explaind in the right way
LittleSpooky said on June 23, 2003 21:00:
Then I suggest that you all petition your leaders to quit asking / expecting / demanding that the US “interfere” with the politics of other countries. YOUR leaders expect the US to do their work for them. They BEG the US to lend them money to recover from an economical / natural crisis. Yet this money has not been paid back. If the US were to “cash in” on the debts it is owed, ALL of Germany, Russia (and other Federated States), and several other countries would be economically ruined.
They expect the US to police the world. And dosn’t say that it is not true, because it is. You might not read about it in the papers, but the requests are there. “Help us feed our people. Help us clothe them, gimme gimme gimme I want I want I want.” Yet when time comes for action to be taken for other things, the world turns chicken. Plain and simple. Cowards. Had Bush gone in IMMEDIATELY after 9-11 you can bet there would have been HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS of civilian casualties. Most of the damage done was done by YOUR OWN countrymen and the “Iraqi National Guard”.
He WAITED instead of striking out, trying to gather as much intelligence as possible (whether accurate or not, it’s not for you or I to decide), and during that cooling time, EVERY other nation in the world turned coward. First country to want to “render aid”: Russia. They wanted paybacks for the debacle during the Russo-Afghani war. China was the second country to throw support behind the US. But when time came, everyone cried that it was unfair and that Bush was being a bully.
I’m asking my leaders here to deny Visas to foreigners, to deny asylum to those persecuted, to deport every ILLEGAL individual(and their families) and to shoot those that want to sneak across the borders. It’s time that the US took care of their own and to hell with the rest of the world.
Bigotry? Yup. However, now you know how you make ME feel every day.
Aaso: Never said I hated you... just learn to do more research before you open your mouth and spread bigotry like you did in your post.
Shane said on June 23, 2003 21:17:
Little Spooky - you said what I was trying to say - the world always expects the U.S. to help but when the U.S. asked for help - everyone turned away.
The U.S. finally acted without U.N. consent, but only because the U.N. chose not to act. Initially, the U.S. went through the U.N. - asking Saddam three times to produce documents about Iraq’s disposal of chemical weapons and WMD. Each time, the reports produced were incomplete and erroneous.
Oh - this discussion is just getting interesting and I have to leave to catch a plane.....
powerpoplarry said on June 23, 2003 21:25:
OK, hold on, it seems here that both sides have issues that are misunderstood. Am I right???
LittleSpooky said on June 24, 2003 02:55:
Larry: Yes
Shane: You need an awfully BIG catcher’s mitt to catch a plane, my friend. I don’t recommend it as a practice ;o)
Coyboy: Boredom?
Ferdan said on June 24, 2003 09:18:
A nice question would be, why do countries need aid...
some because of bad leaders, some because were devastated by colonizators, some because I tied up with debts because of “neo-colonizators”.......
and some others because are “blackmailed”......
Roxrider_USA said on June 24, 2003 19:01:
This is getting nasty as all the other related topics in the past.
Come on, guys! Discuss wisely and respectfully.
Can’t we just understand each other’s points and views in order to politely discuss?
Take care.
Carlos E., New York.
xuxa said on June 21, 2003 09:16:
.....and then mr. Bush realizes that he cannot find and get those people (at least until now) and not only that....until now he COULD NOT PROVE that there were chemical and biological weapons in Iraque before that stupid and insane war started. I wonder where those weapons can be, because until now no one has showed a concrete prove about it and others countries are making pressure on Mr. Bush and Mr. Blair because of that.
So, What Mr. Bush can do???? mmmmmm, maybe now he is trying to find another target to wander for this point, to try to desviate world’s attention. I dunno which target will come next, but from what I have been reading in the portuguese newspapers, now Iran is building a nuclear station, right? and USA is accusing Iran now of be making a powerful nuclear weapon too. So maybe Iran can become a menace for Mr. Bush too. So, I wonder what will happen next....