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Flippen annoyed about Ace od Base beating Roxette!
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Th_Th said on December 2, 2002 09:04:
One of the biggest German Radio Stations is RSH. This Radio Station is just huge and has got unbelievable many listeners. Usually they are pretty Roxette friendly and play their stuff sometimes, and Roxette never failed to enter their charts... but what’s up now? A thing about you didn’t even make it into their charts at all! It once was a “Hit Tip” but didn’t get enough votes to enter the charts! Ace of Base instead have been in the charts for months already! How can that be, that Roxette didn’t get enough votes! This is embarrasing! We can still change that though! Please go onto the following link: http://www.rsh.de/rsh/musik/chartshow/ and scroll down to the very bottom were it sais: Ihre Wahl für die Chartshow...
If you put in your email address and the Titel and Interpret (Artist Name), Roxette can become a Hit Tip again and actually can still make the charts! Those charts are important, belive it or not, this Radio Stations charts are even put up in like sooo many CD Stores, because this Radio Station is sooo huge!
So please heeeelp!!! Make up new email addresses (only takes seconds at Hotmail) and use them to vote!
animalkingdom said on December 2, 2002 13:31:
who cares about airplay when you can clearly see that roxette have beaten ace of base by far in the sales charts? just compare da capo and the ballad hits’ success!
Th_Th said on December 2, 2002 13:47:
any place on the web where we can see the sale figures of Ace of base, da capo?? Or even chart positions??
Sascha said on December 2, 2002 15:31:
Ace Of Base’s highest album position in Germany was #48. After only 4 or 5 weeks they fell out of the top 100!
Th_Th said on December 2, 2002 16:14:
That is excellent news! Because they hate Roxette and they did get so much more promotion. Oh that is just great news... I just don’t like ’em!
Roxoholic said on December 2, 2002 16:18:
How do you know they hate Roxette? If they do than to hell with Ace Of Crap.
animalkingdom said on December 2, 2002 16:22:
I am rather positive about Ace of Base NOT hating Roxette!
onlywhenidream said on December 2, 2002 16:24:
ace of base are crap - full stop. Roxette rule the scandinavian roost!
Roxoholic said on December 2, 2002 16:28:
I agree with you Mathew. Roxette is the “boss” of scandinavian music.
Th_Th said on December 2, 2002 16:33:
In 1994 Roxette and Ace of Base were HUGE in Germany. There was this huge music concert with the biggest stars from that year... after Roxette came off stage, the Ace of Base guys started to swear at Roxette, called them really nasty names and Lynn, or whatever her name is totally freaked out and needed to be held back by her brother. The Papers back then said, Ace of Base was frustrated, that the Fans were cheering and celebrating Roxette much more than Ace of Base and this was too anoying for A.O.B.
In an interview A.O.B. was asked, what they thin of other Sweish Groups such as Roxette, the answer was: “You can not compare us to little Groups such as Roxette. They don’t have style, can’t write good music and Marie sings like an old witch.”
This is why I just do not like them! They should listen to themselves! I mean, the two girls voices sound exactly the same and their voices just sound like any other voice in the Musib Business, but Maries voice stands out, even Critics that hate Roxette always pointed out, that Marie has got an amazing voice... but Ace of Base just sound too thin and cheap.
Ace of Base in my eyes is cheap Pop by cheap Wannabe’s.
It must have been like a punch into their stomach, having such poor sale figures, compared to Roxette the Ballad Hits! To think about that Compilations never sell as much as proper Albums, it is even more embarassing for A.O.B. ... they should not have spoken so bad aout Roxette. What goes around comes around... I guess Ace of Base learned that by now! HA!
Roxoholic said on December 2, 2002 16:40:
Well, Ace of base can go to hell. They don´t deserve to be successful (if you can call them that anymore).
StillFar said on December 2, 2002 16:43:
a couple of weeks ago, there was a chat with AOB on a german internet site and one guy :) asked if they don’t want to work on a project with Rox, which they answered with well, of course we know Rox, they are great people & musicians, but we never actually thought about working together...
guess the information you have is just crap!
Th_Th said on December 2, 2002 16:44:
I guess their sale figure of their new album just shows how successful they really are. Quite embarassing I’d say!
So, Da Capo is their I think 5th Album. Won’t even sell close to half a million.
Roxette’s 5th Ablum was Crash Boom Bang and sold mor than 5 Million Copies! That is quite a difference! That just shows who is staying in the Business and who is not!
Th_Th said on December 2, 2002 16:48:
@still far:
Of course AOB don’t talk bad about Roxette anymore, they got ripped apart for doing it. And that was like 8 years ago now. I bet their managment advised them to stop slagging Roxette, this is quite obvious to me...
just look at the Spice Girls (bad example, I know) at first after the split they all had like this huge war in the papers with Geri. Recently in an interview Victoria Beckham was asked about her feelings towards Geri, She said, that Geri is a great musican and has got great music. She respects her for what she does and is delighted for her success... but like two years ago she said, she hated her... obviously she got advised to stop slagging Geri... the same as with Ace of Base... well, and lets face it, maybe they are a bit more grown up today and don’t need to be told, not to slag fellow artists in public.
Starrox said on December 2, 2002 17:21:
@Th_Th: I’ve never even heard about the concert you mentioned or anything that happened there... when and where did it take place? *reallycurious*
Vixzter said on December 2, 2002 20:44:
The Spice Girls situation........ they all threatend to sue each other if it carried on ...... probably the same with Rox and Ace Of Base. :P
animalkingdom said on December 2, 2002 21:30:
There’s just one event that crosses my mind from 1994 where both AOB & Roxette as well as other bigger bands would have taken part...MTV European Music Awards from Berlin. Was that it?
Still, I have a hard time believing what you’re saying about this AOB-Rox thingie.
Sascha said on December 3, 2002 07:34:
I believe it’s just a press rumor. The whole roxgang was even invited to a party by Ulf from AOB when they recorded in Marbella ’98. But maybe they were freaking out in the time they sold 20 million copies of their debut album(s) 1993/94. Anyway, Roxette’s success is by far more stable.
Th_Th said on December 3, 2002 09:36:
@Sascha
Thats right, they sold 20 million of their debut albums! Album with the S! Because they first release Happy Nation everywhere, but North America... and it was a big hit, sold millions, when they got their record deal for the US, they brought out a completely different version of Happy Nation, so really, it was two albums really, as they differed so much to each other, but both CD’s got counted as one. Of course when the new version was released, with many new and even better songs, it climbed the rest of the worlds charts again. So lets say each Album of Happy Nation sold 10 Million Copies... oh wow, how special, that is what Roxette achieved as well....
StephenDH said on December 3, 2002 09:53:
Yeah it is better to be consistent with album sales and still be in the music industry all these years later like Roxette, which now has had hits in 3 consecutive decades.
Ok Roxette aren’t as big in Australia like they used to be, mostly due to lack of promotion by EMI Australia.
However I have not seen the new Ace of Base album anywhere here in Australia to date. Ace of Base’s last big hit album here was “The Bridge” Flowers and Single of The 90’s didn’t do very well.
Sascha said on December 3, 2002 12:20:
@Th Th: Yea, that was my point of the “s”. Totally agree on that. I remember buying the first “crystal ball” version of Happy Nation, only to see that it was updated with new songs a few weeks later. Just as Roxette would have exchanged half the Look Sharp! album with Joyride songs...
coyboyusa said on December 3, 2002 13:03:
the simple fact is as bad as roxette have it with emi...ace of base has it worse with edel/mega. after the merger they lost representation and distribution in south america north america and parts of asia. the new album...even by ace of base standards is CRAP. they can never hope to achieve the artistry and professionalism roxette have...and i am saying this as a fan of both groups.
crashroxer said on December 3, 2002 13:46:
Hahaha AOB SUCKS!!!!!!!!!
Roxette are 7. Weeks the Number 1 in the biggest radio staion in Germany....and NOT AOB!!!!!!!!!!!
cskendras said on December 3, 2002 13:49:
bless god i didn’t buy the album...downloaded the album..and deleted it a day later.
CRAP is a nice word to use for this shitty album...:-D
and i really liked AOB in the past, but i didn’t know about such hating-atacks of AOB towards Roxette...
Th_Th said on December 3, 2002 16:38:
You guys see, the thing with me and AOB is, that I really disslike them, yes, I would say I hate them, just can’t stand them and their attitude. At the same time, I really do like some of their music, I have got some of their CD’s even, shame on me! I like and hate their songs at the same time. But I totally and completely disslike the folks in the group. AOB just annoy me so much somehow...
QuaKeD said on December 3, 2002 18:53:
Roxette launches yet ANOTHER Greatest Hits. At least AoB has some new material
Don’t get me wrong, I love Rox! But 3 GH?! Tooooo many >.<
sonofagun said on December 4, 2002 06:49:
....... This topic is wasting your time only.....
u better think about your life, family or even your death rather than arguing about roxette n aob....
Huh.........
Th_Th said on December 4, 2002 08:44:
Believe me, if AOB would have released as many Albums as Roxette has done, they would be releasing that many Greatest hits Ablums too. Besides that, we see that Roxette has got a lot of new material anyway, which we also get as EP’s or added new songs on the New two greatest hits... that is way enough material to be able to release a new album.
But Roxette is not doing anything different to other Groups... I mean, look at Steps, (I can’t stand them with a passion), just last year before christmas they released their greatest hits called: Gold. This year they released “The last dance” with all the songs of their greatest hits again! Unbelieveable! there you have a group that really tries to live on their success from the past... I don’t mind Roxette releasing another Greatest Hits almost a decade after their first one...
as I pointed out, there are Groups that release a GH every year...
And AOB would just do at least the same as Roxette if they would be in Rox situation.
Starrox said on December 4, 2002 22:32:
@harriej: And I was looking for a concert... *g* The EMAs were actually the only event I knew of they both attended that year, but I didn’t think of it as a concert! I even found something about it on an AOB-page... unfortunately in German, so it won’t really help, I guess!
http://www.bkc52.de/t_s3_6.htm
According to this, the whole story behind this “fight” (it wasn’t one, but you know the press... in this case it was a German magazine called Hit!) was the fact that apparently Per didn’t like the fact AOB wanted to do playback at the EMAs even though MTV had asked all artists to play live. So AOB hired 12 people and played totally live for the first time ever! But they denied this had anything to do with Per, of course... And that’s all, no swearing and who knows what else!
BTW, Per being Per couldn’t help not mentioning anything having to do with AOB at the MTV press conference - he said “We’re going to play a medley with ’Don’t turn around’ and ’The sign’” when asked what they’d be playing that evening... *LOL*
Th_Th said on December 5, 2002 12:40:
Here I have got the translation for the Story of the above link:
Ace of Base against Roxette!
Uncountable Rumours are spreading around about the Ace of Base Gig at the MTV-Music Awards last November. Hit! (Music Magazine) reported, there was ill-blood between Ace of Base and Roxette.
Ace of Base were supposed to have insulted Roxette. We have looked into the truth of this Story and have found out, what really is true about it.
It really can’t be said, that there is a fight between Ace of Base and Roxette. Fact is, Per complaint to MTV, that Ace of Base as the Newcomer band, were the only Band at the Award show, that were going to play, Playback, even though MTV made it quite clear, that every Band had to play live!
That’s why Ace of Base decided to play live after all. They engaged 12 people to play live for the first time of the bands history. And they really didn’t do that bad.
The four members of Ace of Base, of course deny, that this had something to do with Per’s complaint.
Sure, Per and Marie were happy about the outcome, that Ace of Base had to play live, but it wasn’t a complaint against Ace of Base, so Per, more against MTV.
Still, Per couldn’t deny himself one thing when he was asked at the MTV-Press conference to the question, what song Roxette would be playing that night. His answer was: “We will play play the medley of ’Don’t turn around’ and ’the sign’.”
At the Initiative of the Swedish Newspaper, Roxette and Ace of Base got to know each other in form of a meeting. Per and Jonas met for the first time, to proclaim, that there is no Rivalry between the two most successful Swedish Bans what so ever.
Did you ever meet each other before?
Per: Once I saw him in a Hotel Lobby and waved to him and said ’Hey’.
Jonas: I once saw Per eating in a Restaurant, that’s it.
Jonas about Roxette:
Best Attributes: Their music is a mixture of so many music sounds and of course their song choruses!
Worst Attributes: Per is stressing to much for Albums or Tours, just a bit too much I think.
Best Song: Listen to your heart. Good Lyrics, which fits the Melody perfectly. I would like to have written that song myself.
Best Music video: Joyride, for the same reason. The video fits the song perfectly.
Do you have a tip for Per? You shouldn’t tour as much Per!
Per about Ace of Base:
Best Attributes: Good Pop music and Ace of Base have got their own sound. You always recognize them.
Worst Attributes: All their songs sound so much alike, well this is their strong point, but also their weakness.
best Song: The sign, I would like to have the copyrights for this song.
Best Music Video: I hardly watch any MTV at all, so I really can’t judge that.
Do you have a tip for Ace of Base? (Pers laughing): Yes, my advise is, that you guys would start to tour more often!
PerFanatic said on December 5, 2002 17:40:
Yup, exactly as I suspected (and heard before). There is no rivalry or bad feelings between the 2 bands. But, of course, this topic always comes up every once in a while. Another fact that was overlooked here is that Per actually had a joint business venture with Ulf (I think... maybe it was Jonas). I believe that was the Internet music seller called Boxman. I actually ordered stuff from them and they were pretty good. Do you guys think that Per would go into business with someone he hates?
The bottom line is this. Both Roxette and Ace of Base put out some great music and have both sold millions of albums and singles. Yes, Roxette has had more consistency, but both bands have experienced serious troubles with their record company’s.
I know some of you here hate AoB, but don’t skew the fact. You cannot compare sales between Da Capo and TBH until both have been out for about a year. The reason... greatest hits compilations will typically sell quicker than most regular CD’s. That;s because everyone knows what they’re getting when they buy it. But, once sales drop, they fall off very quickly and sell very little after that. Ace of Base has just barely released the 2nd single off Da Capo. Every time they release a succesful single of that album (and there will be at least 4), the album sales will surge. The same thing happens with Rox and other albums, but since Rox is only releasing one single off TBH, they won’t have this benefit. With that said, TBH may still out sell Da Capo... only time will tell. But one thing’s for sure, Da Capo will most likely close whatever gap exists at this time.
Sascha said on December 6, 2002 09:19:
@ perfanatic: Hey, I think I saw you posting at aob.com!
Well, I bought Da Capo the day it was out because I like much of their earlier stuff. But I have to rate this album very bad. The bandmember seem to have lost any influence on the project, the album is produced by several cheap eurodance producers and got a exchangeable sound therefore. They lost there hook!
Another reason for AOB’s fading success may be that Jonas and Malin changed to ghost members who only appear as sad-looking statists in the video. >>> The bands appearance doesn’t match their happy sound anymore.
As a result the album left almost any chart after only one month! That’s a serious disappointment, especially for the record company. I don’t think they are willing to waste much money with a third or fourth single and more promotion.
About the sales of greatest hits albums: I think that these kind of compilations have the chance to sell for a very long time but on a lower level. A gh album is quite timeless, it’s still worth to buy after two years of release.
Th_Th said on December 6, 2002 11:08:
I think that is shocking news that AOB did THAT bad with Da Capo... I mean, I knew they didn’t have much success with it, but I didn’t know that it is sooo bad. I mean, this was meant to become their huge comeback, that’s why they worked with some of the most successful European Producers... I have not listened to their new album yet, but would like to do so... who knows, maybe I am going to buy a copy of it, as I usually like some of their songs... but fnid them annoying at times too... anyways...
I wonder how Ace of Base were able to cope with all the flops. Happy Nation sold way more than 20 Million copies. The Bridge not even 5 Million, which is still good, but also a huge disapointment, after having sold so many copies of both of the Happy Nation CD’s. Things heavily got worse... Flowers was a flop, had some good songs on it, but sure not amazing... singles of the 90’s, did that chart anywhere at all in Europe? And now Da Capo, it probably is not even going to sell 500.000 Copies. That must really hurt them. They are trying sooo hard, I think they are trying too hard in fact.
As for Roxette the BH, Greatest Hits never sell as many as the other Albums of the Group, and that is not just fact for Roxette. That would be the fact for any band I can actually think of. Look at Germany for example, BH peaked at Number 10, Room Service However even reached number 3. Huge difference, isn’t it? And Roxette are not less popular this year. I would even say, there populaity in Germany grew the last few months.
I think though, that the “Pop Hits” will be a major flop for Roxette. By then, people will be bored of yet another compilation in such a short time... of course it is going to be a different compilation, but who else, but us the fans will still be interested in it? Only if Roxette is going to bring out a smashing hit, which is even going to be better than The Look and Joyride combined together, they could probably reach same sales as for TBH.
And Lets face it, TBH has got extremely poor sale figures... will THB ever reach a million? I doubt it big time.
Th_Th said on December 6, 2002 11:20:
Actually, TBH could sell Millions if they are going to get good promotion for the USA and GBR. Especially in the US it could do very good, as they were missing out on so many releases during the years, if A thing about you is going to Top the charts there, which it would be capable of, as this song has got something special to it, then the Ballad Hits could beceom huge over there. But only if A thing... becomes a real hit. Not like Wish I could fly, people said it was a hit, but sure, it didn’t even reach the sale charts... so how was it a hit then???
As for the Uk, I don’t think they are going to make it... Roxette has got such a bad image in the UK, I know that, because I have lived in Manchester and London, people either hate or kinda like some Roxette stuff, hardly anyone loves them. They are known there, as being this awful teeny band, that has become way to old nowadays and still tries to be big with crap songs... I guess the UK always had been the hardest ground for Roxette anyway... but ATABY actuallu would fit the UK market perfectly.
StephenDH said on December 2, 2002 10:12:
Hey Mate
Just voted, let us know the outcome for Roxette.
Roxette fan from Australia