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Roxrider_USA said on April 24, 2007 16:33:

Hi!

I would like to have one of the moderators/administrators tell me what is the issue with this:

“Your comment has been queued for moderation by site administrators and will be published after approval.”

That message showed up right after i pressed the post buttom, of course to post a comment in one of the active threads. This is something i never saw before in TDR. Therefore, I just think it’s fair and polite to make users aware of this new “tool”, if you will or if this is an error of some sort.

However, if it’s not an error, and since i do not engage in flaming and any other kind of derogatory interaction or conversation of any kind with other members of TDR, i do believe this new tool to be a censorship one, which highly upsets me and makes me dislike it vehemently as now, the messages i post will be checked and analysed for appropriateness. I come to think of this as a sad day for TDR, if indeed, this is to be used in a widespread manner withing TDR.

I would like the moderators’/administrators’ attention brought forth onto this issue, as I assume i have the right to know what it is about and it’s purpose since i have been a member of this community for a long time now.

Thanks for your attention and cooperation.

Carlos E., New York.

tevensso (moderator) said on :

It’s the automatic spam protection, it’s not 100%, so you have to bear with it. Nothing personal. :) It’s self learning though.

RobS said on :

Has there been that much spam posting that something like that is required?

Roxrider_USA said on :

Thanks for your reply Tev. I really appreciate it.

However, there was no spam in my message. I’m not a spammer and i have no reason to start spamming in TDR. It’s just really strange to have the message be amalysed for legality. What if i have something in future posts that are not spam and this tool blocks the message? You know, this tool has an “artificial” intelligence. That what it is, artificial. That’s why it held up my message when there was no spam at all in it. It’s just a strange feeling.

Take care!
Carlos E., New York
“Communication is key”

Roxrider_USA said on :

This is just bad. I just posted the message above and it got withheld again. Only afterwards it get posted. It seems all my messages are getting held up for a CIA analysis... Not good!!

Take care!
Carlos E., New York
“Communication is key”

Roxrider_USA said on :

This message ” Roxrider_USA said on April 24, 2007 22:59: ” that i attempted to post at the show time, has yet not been allowed to be posted.

This is really not cool.

Take care!
Carlos E., New York
“Communication is key”

Roxrider_USA said on :

I guess this “artificial” intelligence is not learning well. Still getting messages held up. Could the one in charge of this tool, please make this program let my messages go through without this check? I don’t spam. I’m not a spammer. So, there’s no reason to worry about me.
I’d highly appreciate it. Please.

Take care!
Carlos E., New York
“Communication is key”

RobS said on :

Just FYI mine went through fine.

tevensso (moderator) said on :

Yes, after the switch to the new software we get a LOT of spam, or used to before this new guard. I can only guess why your messages get caught, and that’s probably something to do with your ISP or similar. We can only again apologize, but it is necessary unless you want every other message be about sex or viagra. I’ll check with Visa to see if there’s a whitelist we can add you to.

pwbbounce (moderator) said on :

I haven’t had any problems posting mine?

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http://www.myspace.com/showbizandy

Emil__BG said on :

pwbbounce –don’t worry –soon you will have probs..

It happends from time to time and you can be never sure if you post will get through or not..

it’s block links to hostels or other useful info that is share here about Per concerts..

sorry –but talking about Per concerts is the only spam you can get from me or Carlos.

It was really irritating to not know why i can’t post all these messages.

Roxrider_USA said on :

Thanks a lot Tev. I really do hope there can be a whitelist. Having all my messages held up for hours is not really cool at all.

All my messages a getting held up, and not only for one minute but for a long time. The messages you see about posted by me, 3 of them, i just finally show them posted this morning (April 25th) when i actually posted them on April 24th around in the evening.

TEST: This message has been posted at 11:30 AM US EST on April 25th.

Let’s see when this one will get cleared by secret service!

Take care!
Carlos E., New York
“Communication is key”

Roxrider_USA said on :

The above message took about 2 hours to get posted. I’ve beeen checking to see when it would show up and it showed up about 2 hours later from the time i posted it.

Take care!
Carlos E., New York
“Communication is key”

tevensso (moderator) said on :

Yes, they are manually released by us. So it takes whatever time it takes.

Jud (moderator) said on :

Roxrider, calm down ;)

It surely has to do with your ISP, the only thing we can do is that Visa adds you to the “white list” - he will read this and solve it asap :)
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roxeteer (moderator) said on :

I’m sorry, but there’s no such thing as white list. The system uses a service called Akismet to check if the message is spam or not. The popular blogging platform WordPress and many other sites use the same mechanism. For some reason it seems to catch quite many of the messages here on The Daily Roxette. But as Thomas said, it’s a system that can learn, so as we teach it which messages are spam and which are not, it should get better and not catch false positives anymore.

purplemedusa said on :

I always knew there was something dodgy about you, Roxrider_USA! ;) Visa, on the flip side is there such a thing as a comment generator? Would be rather handy at work!

Jud (moderator) said on :

might be that Roxrider uses some hidden language messages?? :-D
HOpeyfully the system learns fast enough ;)

PS : might it have to do with the name? _USA??
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thenicekai said on :

Simple test: I’m posting the text Roxrider had said. And if I do not get blocked, then it must be his provider that is suspicious. Feel free to delete this post afterwards. :-)
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Roxrider_USA said on April 25, 2007 16:31:

Thanks a lot Tev. I really do hope there can be a whitelist. Having all my messages held up for hours is not really cool at all.

All my messages a getting held up, and not only for one minute but for a long time. The messages you see about posted by me, 3 of them, i just finally show them posted this morning (April 25th) when i actually posted them on April 24th around in the evening.

TEST: This message has been posted at 11:30 AM US EST on April 25th.

Let’s see when this one will get cleared by secret service!

Take care!
Carlos E., New York
“Communication is key”

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thenicekai
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Keep on thinking.

thenicekai said on :

I did a quick test here. I quoted one of RR’s messages, and although I live in another country (which also means I use a different provider), my post got queued.
Ok. So, the secret must be in the texts RR posts. Most probably in the signature. Maybe you try to change one or two words there?

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thenicekai said on :

Another test, just quoting RR’s signature. If it goes through, then the bug must be somewhere else. Moderators, feel free to remove this message if you want.

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Take care!
Carlos E., New York
“Communication is key”

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thenicekai said on :

It is his signature. I posted his signature lines only and got queued again. Just to help you finding out the reason.

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Keep on thinking.

tevensso (moderator) said on :

Both of Kai’s posts were withheld.

Roxrider_USA said on :

So, i guess it’s possible to teach the program that my signature is not spam since it learns what is spam and what’s not.

It would not be really amusing for me to have to change my signature to please the program. Afterall, the signature is a TDR feature.

Take care!
Carlos E., New York
“Communication is key”

LittleSpooky said on :

Not impressed if this is going to be a “permanent” thing.
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Tattooed White Trash

Emil__BG said on :

it’s not becouse users , it’s not becouse signature ..
It just happend random ..
it may see “pop in hostel” as threat ,but why “kalmar hostel” is a threat ?
sorry but it’s a problem if my first post appears few hours after second one when i’m trying to inform several people and need their fast decision..

Do you see why certain message is hold up?
for example–it doesn’t see Halmstad hostel as treat–so how it works and what kind of words or phrase we must try not to use?

Roxrider_USA said on :

I know what you mean.

I also don’t like my messages being held up so long. And much less if i have to change a perfectly clean message with no spam, just to make the program happy.

Take care!
Carlos E., New York
“Communication is key”

tevensso (moderator) said on :

I have no idea what not to use, but it definitely isn’t random. For instance, Carlos’ signature: if we use every word or sentence in his sig separately, it goes thru, but if you use all of it the post gets blocked, so I can only assume it’s the combination of “” and other things. There is really nothing we can do about it as the only other option is to let the 174 posts of sex and viagra pop up on the site. Yes, we got 174 spam posts yesterday, from one user.

Jud (moderator) said on :

definetely it’s better to have to publish the few messages that are tagged as spam when they aren’t than the other way around, none of us has the time to waste hidding 174 spam messages per day, but I’m sure there is no need for me to explain and you understand this.. or? ;-)

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Roxrider_USA said on :

If there’s a member or members spamming on TDR, how come the account(s), are not terminated?

The spam that the member(s) bring are not allowed, however the member(s) that bring the spam are allowed to stay? And as a result, TDR’s administrators and moderators have to worry about checking for how clean the messages are, not to mention the hassle it causes to those members that have their messages held up.

Isn’t it easy to just terminate the accounts of the members who really spam on TDR? Or just block the IP address of those who use TDR to spam. It’s way more practical. Or am i missing something or not understanding something?

Maybe those resposnsible for TDR should consider that. In my view, terminating the accounts of members that really spam or block their IP address so they can’t get into site, won’t hassle or annoy those members that don’t even think about spamming and those responsible for the site won’t have to keep getting e-mail alerts telling them to keep checking messages to see how clean they are and then let them go through whatever number of hours later.

By the way, glad to have a nice healthy discussion concerning this issue. Thanks. :-)

Take care!
Carlos E., New York
“Communication is key”

tevensso (moderator) said on :

Of course we close those accounts.
And if you change your signature your posts will be no problem either.

thenicekai said on :

Carlos, I think you are getting something wrong. :-)

The spams do for sure not come from any roxette fan being registered here for years. In 100% of all cases it’s some newly registered automated so called spambot that posts the messages. It registers, spams, and vanishes again. One cannot foresee when this will happen again.
The moderators would have a hard time cleaning up all the mess had they not help from this antispam tool. Of course it does not work perfectly, because it was programmed by a few guys outside the TDR team, meant to work on many different websites.
The TDR guys are not online all the time (how can they, they have some real jobs to do, they have friends and families), and so they can only react when they are online. The TDR is a community, and the main principle of a community is giving and taking equally. They give you the latest news about your fav artists, pay the server costs and run a forum. All for free for you. What you could do in return is to respect their right of using the means they think are best for this site. Changing one or two words in your signature is not the hell of work, but it would solve the situation easily. Please look into my previous posts, it is clearly a problem inside your signature.

I say this as a moderator of the Gessle forum where we have to deal with similar problems.
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Roxrider_USA said on :

@thenicekai:

Thanks for clearing up some of mu misunderstandings. I appreciate it.

Another thing is that i am in no way, shape or form, complaining or not being appreciative of the good work and good will effort of the people responsible for TDR. As i’m sure the moderators themselves can attest, i have always, throught the years i’m in the TDR community, being a respectful, polite and good member. Of course. i’m sure there have been a few instances in which i have not behaved approppriately.

So, i just believed that i could bring this issue to their attention hoping that it could be solved in a way that i would not need to change the way i wirte my messages or my signature, now that it seems the signature is the cause of the problem.

I will deicide if i should change the signature a liitle bit or just put up with the messages being held up.

@all: Once again, thanks for all the attention brought forth onto this issue and also, for the manner in which this discussion has been conducted.

Take care!
Carlos E., New York
“Communication is key”

Kathrin said on :

I had this problem once too when I wanted to correct the Letters with the edit option!
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Life is like a Box of Chocolates, you never know what you gonna get!

Kathrin said on :

I just changed my Signature!
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Have Fun!!!

emilio said on :

Hey, it is the funniest post i ever read. the whole forum crew is here. Im glad to see the tdr crew interested in tdr member’s problems. Maybe the trouble with roxrider is that “the communication is not the
Key”... it’s a joke, isn’t it?

pwbbounce (moderator) said on :

it’s just happened to me for the first time :-(((

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Jud (moderator) said on :

and nothing bad happened to you or? :D
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Emil__BG said on :

Mislia che veche govorihme za tova no vse pak:

hostela v Stockholm namirast se na niakolko minuti ot politzeiskia v rajon SOLNA i nameren navremeto ot Ani:

http://www.solnahotell.se/eng/index2.htm

V nego naprimer ste triabva da spim na 11 i 12 august kogato hostela v Rissne e zaet.

Mnenia za nego ili predlojenie za po-dobar ,rabotezt na 12 avgust i evtim davaite v nai-skoro vreme ,za da moje da bookvame nesto..

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why this stupid program stop this message??

roxeteer (moderator) said on :

Do you think it helps if you post it dozens of times to different forums?

Emil__BG said on :

roxeteer -Do you think your answer helps ????

i posted in 2 forums–
in the one i wish
and in that forum ,so you can answer me correctly!

Do you try it at least ones ??

try and you will understand that the message for approval error appears after some time ,and nobody can understand or predict that this is the problem!!

explain what’s wrong with my message!!

It’s it so hard to answer!!

this cost me money and time!!!

tevensso (moderator) said on :

Don’t even know what it says so I can’t say what’s wrong with it. Sorry.

Emil__BG said on :

I guess that program doesn’t understand bulgarian too.So how she decided to stop it?

such program doesn’t fit well to international sites like TDR.

Roxrider_USA said on :

After almost 3 weeks of learning, this TDR tool, finally learned that my signature or messages are not spam. It was pretty inconvinient and annoying while it was learning that my signature and messages are not spam.

I feel sorry for the people posting in other languages. I don’t know if this tool is so intelligent as to distinguish what’s spam or not in other languages other then english.

I hope you guys and girls who have this issue when posting in an language other than english can have this hassle resolved soon.

Take care!
Carlos E., New York
“Communication is key”

Galadriel said on :

I wanted to insert a link into a post. After some search I recovered the page about HTML learning (btw. thanks Judith for posting it :-) ) to make a link to be opened in a new browser.
Is this the reason for this message:
“Your comment has been queued for moderation by site administrators and will be published after approval.”
Or is it simply the fact of having a link in the post?

harriej said on :

Don’t know if it would work here, but I have visited some websites where you, need to fill in a generated number or tekst which is shown in a special box, before your tekst can be submitted.
This is a tool that is used to prevent spammers putting tekst in a guestbook or on a website. Maybe that works here too.

An example is this website.
http://www.dkc-delft.nl/index.php?module=gastenboek&agbook=addentry

Mary said on :

Oh noooo, that wouldn’t be good; being totally blind I’m unable to read the text hidden in an image unless someone sighted helps me, which is rather bothering if you have to do it all the time; unfortunately I see this on quite a lot of websites and it’s rather silly. Pleeeeease, whatever you do do not introduce this system here, otherwise I won’t be able to participate at all or even log in; the way it is now is a better inconvenience and I can take it fine.

thenicekai said on :

These text images are useless anyway. Modern spambots can read them without a problem. Researches showed that humans have more problems to read those scrambled images than the spambots.
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whateveriam said on :

No, it’s doing it to me now! For something that’s self learning, I’m a little confused. Surely this should have started earlier?

Whatever, no matter. My sig’s needed changing anyway ;-)

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