nate said on September 1, 2006 04:58:

Sounds good.

GT_85 said on September 1, 2006 21:42:

I also think there shouldn’t be any messages that not even tries to be constructive, like “i agree” and “LOL” or “:)”.

RJ1976 said on September 3, 2006 13:25:

LittleSpooke—-> You’re are funny...

Oh.... so you bought my flamethrouer on eBay :)

Lars-Erik_Olson (moderator) said on September 8, 2006 13:52:

Thanks StarRox, we agree and added it.

LittleSpooky said on September 8, 2006 14:57:

LEO: Well written. I just saved the list to my HD for future reference :o)

Jud (moderator) said on September 8, 2006 18:44:

LS, I used it on Dahlgren-attling.net and adapted it for TDR as far as I remember.. LONG ago ;) I actually thought it was posted on Small Talk already months ago :S

BUT

I made it mixing example rule texts from some websites.. (don’t ask me from where anymore..) :P

Lars-Erik_Olson (moderator) said on September 9, 2006 21:08:

Nate: We’re trying to come to a common consensus as to what the rules should be. This was added due to a suggestion above by LittleSpooky. We’re aware that there’s been a lack of cooperation from certain readers in regards to following the “rules,” but we’re also aware that they haven’t been readily available to read (even internally amongst our staff). Thus, enforcement of the rules has been somewhat uneven. The editors and moderators of this newspaper REALLY don’t want to spend any more time than is absolutely necessary “enforcing” rules. We fully expect our subscribers, in return for the ability to self-post without prior approval, to follow the entire set of rules voluntarily. It’s in all of our best interests then, to make sure everyone knows exactly what they are.

Please feel free to suggest edits or additions to what you already see in the first post above. – LEO

ally77 said on September 10, 2006 07:38:

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ally77 said on September 11, 2006 13:08:

I really think there is little they can do... if someone put a link up where you could download the songs... they would remove it!

In this day and age with the internet, it’s bound to happen....

I am still surprised at who it was who leaked them!

Jud (moderator) said on September 11, 2006 18:15:

of course we don’t allow links to direct downloads, neither the use of TDR for sharing songs, this is why all topics that are inviting to sharing illegal files are now closed (couldn’t do it ealier, unfortunately).

ally77 said on September 11, 2006 18:40:

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marcusvandeursen said on September 11, 2006 21:51:

@nicekai; am personally thrilled to have heard the new songs but indeed a much better idea to close off all such topics... especially as the songs would also get spread among non-regular visitors otherwise and nobody would buy the single anymore.

marcusvandeursen said on September 11, 2006 22:23:

@ally; re. ’Released stuff I think they allow to share.... but stuff that is not officially released is not allowed... as it is illegal! ... however all it take is one person and it starts’

Would self say released stuff is worse to have online than officially unreleased stuff... don’t think Per minds his demos being share, which he does himself even through bad hair day, as he considers them not good enough for release on an official record. It’s much worse if officially released tracks are being shared; for those people should be told to buy the records in order to get them.

Re. the tunes that came along this afternoon, would have been just as happy and would perhaps even have preferred to see 30-sec. snippet of only the new songs just as a preview (like it was presented in the old days on e.g. hand.nu). Compare it to iTunes; any songs available on the ITMS has a 30-sec snippet that one can listen to. Those people who want to hear more are after hearing something they like only triggered extra to buy the songs.

Room_service said on September 12, 2006 05:34:

thenicekai, I’d like to know if you already got the songs. I am 100% sure you have them and you have played them a million times. Of course, you will deny that, but it’s not much plausible you don’t have them by now. A bit out of curiosity, another bit ’cause you are a fan and can’t resist the idea of playing the songs. Be sincere. Maybe you care about your “reputation” of a clean moderator (in SOAP site, not here). And that’s the reason you are throwing this moral speech to us.

But don’t overreact, please. Don’t make a drama out of this. If I have a way to search in you HD, to see if you don’t have the songs, then I will trust in you. But as I can’t, let me be a bit sceptical!

thenicekai said on September 12, 2006 08:26:

To make the answer short: I’ve had OW for a couple of days but did not talk about it, and especially did I not share it. Of Reveal I heard a snippet. Anyone... I listened to it some weeks ago when I visited someone who had the song. I have no copy of it and never asked for one. Myth have I heard over a phone, I could have asked for a copy but didn’t. Believe it or not (you will argue anyway and I don’t care). It would be very easy for me to get the files from the internet, I still speak quite a good Russian which I learned at school. ;-)

About the soap forum: All the “errors” you thought to have seen happened because I had to clean after you. You couldn’t resist to offer your “services” between the lines again. But since the soap forum is an official one and has therefore sharper rules concerning certain issues, it is necessary to be strict in some points. Sharing copyright protected material is one of them. And somehow I have the feeling that we are a small and happy community over there. We have no fights and whenever someone causes trouble, it’s often enough the “normal” member who tells him how to behave, not me. The reason why you see so few topics is that old topics are automatically deleted after 6 weeks of inactivity. This is to protect the server from burning or so. Yep, it’s weird and I don’t really understand it either. ;-)

What makes me sad though is that you still don’t accept the general rules that exist in order to create a friendly atmosphere among Per&Marie, the TDR staff and the TDR members. You have no idea what consequences the leaking of the songs has on the future of TDR and the soap forum. You (among others) brought us all in trouble but you fail to see it.

@activewatcher: You’re in the wrong topic, maybe? :-) edit: Ah, sorry, you were faster.

purplemedusa said on September 15, 2006 11:06:

Dare you to create a list of supposedly vulgar words - it’s rather vague!! **giggles at the thought of Lars using a dirty**

Lars-Erik_Olson (moderator) said on September 16, 2006 00:53:

Purple: It’s usually only one word in particular that we have a problem with here. So many people use it now as part of their “normal” vocabulary... I hear it on the subway quite often.

In private conversation, I sometimes use this word myself, but in my mind, that’s quite a bit different that including it in something I’m writing for a newspaper to publish.

Language changes... even more often than “this word,” I hear urban youth here referring to each other as “niggers.” For most of MY life, the “N” word was off-limits.... an extremely offensive word. Now it’s being adopted as a synonym for “guy” or “dude” or “man.”

Anyway, before I veer to far off-topic, let me close by saying that even though I’m aware that language changes, it’s a slow process, and not all of us have become desensitized to such words.

Chaghi said on September 16, 2006 04:23:

I’m starting to feel very worried about all this “rule enforcement” mantra, and all the comments from LEO (and other moderators) about TDR’s credibility being hurt because of the “recent facts”, etc., etc.

It seems all this started with the negative comments about the RoxBox on the front page. Did Per cried out to TDR or something because he didn’t like what he read? I hope he’s not that childish. But the thing is that since almost two weeks, I feel the rules have changed. And if the rules were already in place, then they were “suddenly” remembered (and enforced)

I’m worried because TDR is *really* big. And it is where it is now because of the community of fans surrounding it. TDR must be credible for us, the fans community, not for EMI, Roxette’s management, Per Gessle or Marie Fredriksson. And I say so as a fan. It would be a pity if with all this new rules stuff the community gets hurt, just to be credible to some small “official” circle.

People wants to communicate. The people who visit this site everyday, and is a regular poster, is here because he/she is allowed to do so. And if you cut this freedom, then they are going to look for some other place to participate. And TDR might keep this “credibility” for a few of us, but in the end, it will lost (most of) its community, and will become irrelevant. I’m particularly worried with all LEO’s comments to discourage posting on the front page news. It seems that suddenly, we must be super-serious to comment there. Suddenly, comments on the front page are like “letters to the editor” (LEO: I really respect you *A LOT* as a TDR staff member, but I really don’t like this new “obsession”).

As regard the leaks: Yes, that was unfortunate. I’m not going to discuss if it is legal or not. For someone to discuss that seriously, at least is necessary to be an expert on copyright laws in many countries... and I’m far from that. But like it or no, “internet sharing” are the new rules of the game. That’s hardly a piece of news. The record companies are still trying to cope with that. And if Per, Marie Dinberg, EMI or whatever got mad with TDR and pointed to its “credibility” because some sharing between the die-hard-fans, then they are nuts. And if they got TDR to hyper-moderate all the discussions because of this, they are even more nuts. All that they are doing is hurting TDR, a site that has done a much better job promoting Roxette than any of the “official” EMI attempts. And this is because TDR is credible FOR ITS READERS, and because its readers can communicate and share their opinions. And NOT because the amount or quality of moderation in the forums.

I wish TDR put more energy moderating the stupid flamewars between members. They are *very* frequent, specially among the argentinian fans (and I’m from Argentina, so I can comment on that...). That’s far more irritating for the readers than other things that get moderated more quickly.

I wish TDR staff remember that –as its name implies– it is a newspaper, and as such, it is where it is because of its readers, and not because of some star got angry because he didn’t like to read about the fans not liking a new compilation of old songs. I don’t think TDR’s goal is to please Per every morning telling him what he does... he already knows it! The readers are the ones who want the news. And the news are that many fans are not happy with the RoxBox, and that the new songs were leaked before the official release date. And it’s normal if the readers want to discuss about it. Deleting and/or hiding the comments hardly changes the facts: The RoxBox tracklist still sucks for many fans (like it or not), and the leaked songs are still there on the net, ready for anyone who wants them (be it legal or not). So what’s the point closing topics? All that you people get is a stronger perception of freedom being cut.

What does hurt TDR most? What is worse for its credibility? I really hope TDR knows what it’s doing. I really hope TDR knows the right answers to those questions.

Sorry if this is too long, but I really needed to write all this. Sorry for my English, too, just in case. My original comments are in Spanish, here: http://www2.dailyroxette.com/smalltalk/thread.php/16792?p=1 (in another thread). If you speak Spanish, maybe you’ll find that post more “readable” than this :p I hope my tone is correct... it’s difficult to express this things in another language. I expect no one to take this personal, or find it offensive. I’m just expressing my opinion, and trying to give a constructive critic.

Have a nice day!

Lars-Erik_Olson (moderator) said on September 16, 2006 08:44:

Mariano (Chaghi):

Thanks for sharing your concerns here. Let me attempt to address some of them.

First, you need make no apologies for your English. Your English seems extraordinarily good to me, and is certainly a LOT better than my Spanish. The ONLY mistake you may have made is in your use of the word “credible.” Everything else is quite easy to read and understand.

You’ve seen no comments from me (up to this point) regarding TDR’s “credibility” being hurt. I may have missed something, but the only thing that I’ve seen close to what you may be referring to was written by a moderator of a different forum, who is here – like you – as a subscriber/participant; or by other non-TDR staff members.

Our credibility is based solely upon the accuracy of our news stories, and the truthfulness of our reporting staff. Our track record there is excellent, and because of this, I’m always a little personally “put off” when I see some random comment saying “well, I guess we’ll wait to see this on an ’official’ site, then we’ll really believe it.” This newspaper has worked long and hard to earn the trust of it’s readers when it comes to reporting news accurately and credibly.

Perhaps this is as good a time and place as any to fill you in on the history of The Daily Roxette, as it applies very much to the current state-of-affairs.

A young man in Finland named Visa Kopu, interested in computers and programming wanted to put into practice his new skills as a webmaster and programmer (as I’m sure you know, sometimes the best way to learn something is to try to do it). Visa also was and is a huge Roxette fan and – like many others at that time – figured that putting together a Roxette site would be something enjoyable for him. Unlike the two other major Roxette-related forums that use pre-packaged, shareware type programs, everything you see here was coded by Visa himself.

What impressed me, when I first discovered TDR, was that he was presenting news written in the style of a newspaper. He took “The Daily Roxette” idea from the Look Sharp album, and gave life to it. It was journalism, and as I’ve been a professional journalist since I was 15 years old, I was attracted to that. Eventually, after first serving as a frequent reporter, Visa asked me if I would like to join him as an editor.

All of the expenses over the years of running this newspaper-as-website have been absorbed by Visa. While the Google ads help somewhat now, we still operate “in the red.” Some readers (unfortunately not many) have paid for their subscription, in an attempt to help with our server costs and related expenses. It surprises me sometimes when I read (and I’m NOT talking about you) various complaints from people who somehow feel “entitled” to things, even though they’ve made no investment, no purchase, and little, if any contribution to the well-being of the community.

This past week has been exceptionally rough for us all. Not because of pressure from external sources, but because of a deep sense of disappointment with our inability to focus on our core mission (news gathering and reporting), and with a perceived lack of cooperation from some of the subscibers we attempt to serve.

As for rules, and rule enforcement, you’ll note that I started this effort long before the most recent sad state of affairs.

You ask if (because of the initial negative comments about the RoxBox, if “Per cried out to TDR or something because he didn’t like what he read?” The direct, and categorical answer to this is NO, he did not. Neither did anyone else from his management company or record label.

You state that you “feel the rules have changed” recently, and this is somewhat true. For much too long, there was confusion as to what the guidelines and rules are. As the Managing Editor, I see this as being my fault, and I’ve attempted to address this oversight by starting this discussion topic, so that all of us (yourself included), can come to an agreement... or at least have input into the decision-making process.

Your next concern, also seems to be based on a false premise, so let’s get that cleared up first, and then we can look at what else you meant.

We are an independent publication, and we are not beholden to the small “official” circle you refer to. In keeping with our adopted metaphor of being a newspaper, we believe in the concept of a “free press,” meaning that we’re free to publish what we want, just as (for example) Aftonbladet or Dagens Nyheter is free to print the stories it deems are fit to print. [Many of our readers somehow think that “free speech” is an issue that applies to a newspaper, and they are mistaken... but that’s a different issue and topic]. While I don’t want to bring to the surface the particular articles in question and re-open old wounds, you may believe me when I tell you that TDR has indeed went ahead and published news stories when we knew they were accurate, even though we were requested not to do so. Again, our core mission was different than that of the official fan club (who did not publish, or took down, some of these types of stories).

To be honest, I don’t know what it is now... but at one point we had earned the respect of that circle you’re referring to, purely because of the quality of the articles we were publishing, and the manner in which, I remember one of those circle members saying to me, we were “like a real newspaper.”

If, as you say, TDR is “really big,” it’s because we’ve worked hard over the years (as have our readers who have doubled as reporters) to make it an attractive place for Roxette fans to get news and information.

I agree with you that it would be a pity if this “new rules stuff” as you put it were to “hurt” the community. That’s not our intention. It’s our opinion that the community you speak of is already hurt, and setting up some ground rules is long overdue.

The real danger here is far from what you describe next. You speak as if TDR should be concerned with self-preservation... that if we curb or cut the freedom to self-post, then people will go elsewhere.
You know, I’ve never been one to be concerned with how many “hits” this site gets. The only time I’ve ever asked Visa (who still by the way is my boss, and the Editor-in-Chief of this newspaper) for a hit report was because someone ELSE was requesting it.

No, unfortunately, the real danger right now.. to be honest with you... is that TDR will, all on its own, put the newspaper to bed and cease to exist at all. Not because, as you suggest, that our readers might cancel their subscriptions and we’re faced with dropping circulation, but rather because we’re just not having much fun anymore. We’ve begun to openly question amongst ourselves if it’s just not worth it anymore.

If we are to stay in business, and continue to serve this community, then things have simply got to change. And I believe that one way to ensure that happens, is to get as many of our readers as possible ... the ones who value our work here.... to agree to help keep TDR in print, by more thoughfully exercising the PRIVILIGE we currently give subscribers to self-post in real time (somehow this privilige has been misconstrued by some to be a “right to free speech” or a “freedom”) and furthermore, to help ensure that others are doing the same, by letting us know when a particular thread needs to be looked at because someone is disregarding the rules.

Rather than “hurt” the community... these rules are an effort to preserve it. We’re simply trying make things run more smoothly, to cut down on the need for staff/moderator intervention, by adopting a transparent set of rules and regulations that everyone is aware of.

Since we do not have any money to pay our staff, all the work that is done here is basically volunteerism. When a volunteer job no longer brings sufficient joy, and the troubles and headaches overshadow the reason that you’re working here in the first place, then you can’t expect people to stay around forever. People tend to move on when something’s no longer enjoyable for them. The OIRFC already folded, many old-time Roxette fans have long since disappered from sight, and sometimes it feels like TDR may not be that far behind. If you’re truly as concerned as you say you are, then I’m sure we can count on you as a loyal reader to help us out with all of this.

You say that you’re particularly worried about my action to “discourage posting on the front page” news section. Well, this was not my intent at all. In fact, I love to see lots of comments on our news stories. My intent is simply to limit comments on any particular news article, to comments directly related TO that article (with a minimum of what I call “noise”). You may be surprised to learn that most of our readers come to our site to read the news, and they never venture into SmallTalk. Discussion forums are usually not my thing either. I simply don’t have the time. The pressures on my time, now that I’m a fully-established adult with a career to attend to, are enormous. This is also true of other fans who have, along with Roxette, matured over the years. One such fan wrote this to me recently: “If I’m intersted enough in a story to read the comments, I don’t want to have to sift through a bunch of banter amongst your ’frequent posters’, in order to read the the posts that truly are directly related to this article I’ve just read. If I wanted to read that kind of small talk, I’d go the the “Discussions” tab, and join the SmallTalk there.” I, obviously, agreed with him, and after talking with the other News Editors, decided to put BACK into effect, a policy that I had initiated back when I first took over the day-to-day editorial control of the newspaper from Visa, who no longer had as much time to invest in the project.

I’ll skip over the “leaks” issue at this time, expect to once again state that any decisions here are enitrely our own, and there’s been no request made of us to “hyper-moderate” as you so cleverly put it.

You state “I wish TDR put more energy moderating the stupid flamewars between members.” I agree, but we are understaffed. Frankly, and please hear this loud and clear... MODERATING a discussion forum is NOT what I signed up for, and a real WASTE of my time. The VAST majority of our readers would rather see me do the job I’m GOOD at, and that’s gathering, reporting, and editing (reader submitted) news.... than to see LEO’s initials appear somewhere in SmallTalk. Seriously, we are understaffed, and have been for a long time. This too is my fault for not having been more proactive in hiring some additional moderators, so that our News Editors can also concentrate more on their primary job description. If you Mariano (or anyone else reading this) have any suggestions as to who you think might be someone we should consider, by all means please let me know.

I’ve gone on for far too long, and stayed up WAY too late. Thank you again for sharing your thoughts. If we can, together, get things pulled together and running smoothly once again, then I know there’s hope for the future of The Daily Roxette.

Gracias amigo. – LEO

Room_service said on September 16, 2006 13:08:

I’d like to add a new rule:

“Open a thread ONLY if you have anything important to SAY or SHARE any info to the other members”.

For example, theads that doesn’t lead anywere, like:

“I love you, Per”
“Please, come to (name of the country)”
“Marie is the best singer of the world”

...should be archived. They are more an statement than a topic for conversation. But many people still open threads like those examples I gave.

kielroxer said on September 17, 2006 12:39:

ok, i posted this in another thread, but it seems to fit more to this topic - and so i go again:
1.) i´ve followed all the comments about the rox-box. sometimes it is better to get through a storm then trying to stop it. hope you know what i mean. imagine, what would have happend if the moderators simply would have waited till the storm would have been over - and i guess the storm would have had an end when the unplugged - news came up. or the discussions about like/dislike the new songs. you moderators just would not have had such a stressing - pissing time. just wait till the storm is over - most things on this planet are not eaten as hot as they have been cooked.
2.)filesharing over tdr: it IS a fact that in the 21 century you cannot stop filesharing, wether you like it or not. but to post links here online is soooooooooo stupid, since everyone here can taake the emailadress and request anything one wants via email.it hasn´t to be public. my suggest: just throw out anyone, who posts links. DO it. don´t discuss it. you will see: after a few days there will be no more posts...

sometimes thinking, argueing, discussing is not the right way. calm down, moderators, sit back and watch, throw out the few silly people who still haven´t realized that filesharing via posts on tdr is stupid, and enjoy the fact, that soooo many people are addicted to your site.

kielroxer said on September 17, 2006 14:55:

@tevensso
in this i totally agree with you - as i mentioned above

RobS said on September 18, 2006 12:34:

Whats been written up so far looks good. Although this is something that should have been done along time ago, i also think its quite sad that they are even needed. Most of the items listed should be pretty much common-sense.

As has been said, once the Rules have been finalised, all current and future members should have them emailed to them, or showed when their next post is made, or at least linked on the main page/smalltalk & the signup email.

Also a firm stand on the consequences if the rules aren’t followed. 3 strikes and your banned? I personally think anymore than 1 is too much.

Just out of curiousity, how many moderators are required to make it more manageable, assuming there are no major “events”?

It would be very sad should TDR ever decide to shutdown, especially if it’s due to something that could have been averted just using some common sense. Not only for the regular users, but also for the whole Rox community in general. I can’t say that there is one other site that is as credible well put together for Rox and related news.

whateveriam said on September 18, 2006 21:36:

Maybe we could all mod for a week or something...as a subscription thing, not under our usernames, but under specially created ones (i.e Mod 1, Mod 2), so no one can see who it is and start a flame war with them when they return to their normal user status. You could changwe the password at the end of every week, so previous mods can’t break in and wreak havoc.

EDIT- OK, so it was a bit of a rubbish idea, but it wasn’t my suggestion (my brothers actually). But in a way, it could work, and people may get the moderating bug. Or am I being a noisy optimist?

pwbbounce (moderator) said on September 27, 2006 07:49:

I’ve been thinking for a couple of days about what been written here. All the rules are all good and well, some are obvious to most, some not so obvious.

My opinion is that it’s just the last few weeks that TDR has gone crazy. Before than it was fine. Yes people were moaning, arguing etc but you’re gonna get that everywhere you go. But since the RoxBox track listing was released (yes it was dissapointing - but it’s still a new release) it’s gone crazy. Sometimes it puzzles me as to why it got so out of hand on the when the new songs were leaked, and I wondered where the mod’s where and why were the threads deleted. After speaking with Lars, I now have a whole different aspect of how TDR is run, and the way it’s gonna run in the future. And I don’t think that TDR is gonna be shut down, which is very cool! I’m actually quite fond of it and the people here! :-)

Anyway, I’m getting off topic here.

The rules aren’t rocket science, they’re aren’t hard to follow. If you can’t stick to the rules, then really, maybe you shouldn’t be on the net. Maybe that sounds harsh, but that’s what I feel about it. Sorry if that offends anyone here.

Keep up the good work guys!!!

LittleSpooky said on September 30, 2006 21:47:

So Mods can’t be human? They have to be perfect robots and obey all rules all the time?

Are you perfect? Or do you make mistakes as well?

Sparvogamarie said on October 1, 2006 07:12:

I have a suggestion for a new rule, you can take it or leave it depending on what you guys feel. This is something that’s bugged me for ages: people who use SmallTalk for shameless website promotion!!!! Now, I don’t have a problem with people advertising their site, if there’s a new site or something special on there...but there’s some here, and you know you I mean, who go into 100 threads to answer a question with “find it at mysite.com”. They are shamelessly fishing for hits, it’s spamming, and it’s not allowed on most boards!

tevensso (moderator) said on October 1, 2006 15:07:

We are looking for moderators. Please mail us at our tdr-addresses. :) Use lars@dailyroxette for instance. :)

ally77 said on October 9, 2006 17:46:

Of course Lars, did you have any success with finding new Mods?

harriej said on November 13, 2006 19:47:

At this moment (13/11/2006 20:43) this thread still can be found on top of the “TDR-discussions”-forum, but as time goes by, I wouldn’t be surprised this thread goes down and down on the list, eventually up (or down in this case) to a point where new people are unaware of the existing of these rules.

Is there not a way to make sure this topic stays on top?
Or maybe make a permanent link somewhere else on the site, visible whenever you want to join the discussions-forum?

harriej said on November 13, 2006 22:28:

Right now there is a link “Start New discussion”, maybe put a extra link below that one (“Smalltalk Rules”).
That shouldn’t be too difficult.

tevensso (moderator) said on November 14, 2006 15:14:

They are live even if they are in draft mode.

Kathrin said on November 14, 2006 20:11:

OK I understand the rules now after reading them for the second Time!
I think those rules are good!

Kathrin said on November 15, 2006 17:17:

I have a qestion about rule 9 and rule 7 !

(9)Is it allowed to write one or two Words in German(if you don’t know the english word) and then write,,I don’t know the english word for that!” ?

(7) Is Roxbytes Illegal?

Ary-Sya said on November 15, 2006 21:08:

oh well, i understood them well enough on my skin times ago...
i think it’s better clear them in a little time, if it is possible

whateveriam said on November 16, 2006 13:53:

We’ll find out soon enough!!!

whateveriam said on November 16, 2006 17:32:

If us non-Germans are that curious, there are plenty of good online dictionaries. Or the paper kind, for that matter. :-)

Kathrin said on November 16, 2006 20:32:

I have an Idea how to punish someone who does not obey the Rules!!!

Give points ( like the Points from Flensburg.)
But instead of losing your Drivers Licence, you get kicked out of TDR!

For example: First give a Warning and if nothing changes give the Points!!!
6 Points and you are not allowed to visit TDR for a Month!
12 Points and you get kicked out!

Galadriel said on November 17, 2006 08:44:

@Kathrin: One had to keep track of every single user!
That would mean A LOT of extra work...
And as whateveriam said: you can throw out the nick, but not the person.

Kathrin said on November 19, 2006 17:21:

I see what you mean!!!

Jud (moderator) said on November 19, 2006 19:43:

Ally, I don’t think Thomas first post was any bad, maybe too early, that’s all ;)

We are simply tired of having to take shit from certain people who are here only to annoy the others, to complain about everything and for everything just for fun and to intentionally hurt others with their nasty comments. It’s not the first time we say “some people are never happy” - or “some people have to complain about everything” - so I don’t understand the fuzz now. Anyway, we aren’t the only ones who think (and express) this either. The latest example was the video Jorge and Lars made, one can like or dislike it, but people got very nasty and personal, so yes, we are partly annoyed and yes, we will answer back if there is the need to.

Note as well that Thomas hasn’t insulted anybody either :)

Btw, I made this topic sticky :)
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Marie Fredriksson Online

ally77 said on November 19, 2006 19:53:

Judith you can look at it whichever way you like I am sure you will.... but the moderators need to learn to respect the rules that are in place.... as much as the next person.

Whatever problem Thomas has with Steven then it should be kept between them not a personal attack on this forum.... that is breaking a rule or is Thomas an exception to the rules!

whateveriam said on November 19, 2006 19:58:

But thats down to personal interpretation surely Judith? The last time I checked, bullying on this forum wasn’t allowed. That comment could be taken as bullying.

Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup...

’Even if I am in love with you. All this to say, what’s it to you?’

whateveriam said on November 19, 2006 20:01:

Exactamundo Batman

Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup...

’Even if I am in love with you. All this to say, what’s it to you?’

whateveriam said on November 19, 2006 20:03:

Endless, but relevant.

Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup...

’Even if I am in love with you. All this to say, what’s it to you?’

LittleSpooky said on November 20, 2006 04:46:

Here’s a problem I see with a whole bunch of people getting involved with what’s going on:

If it doesn’t involve you directly, why are you getting involved? There’s 2 sides to every story, and it seems that everyone else is only getting part of it. It’s like the police beating videos that keep popping up on the Internet: People aren’t seeing the WHOLE incident. You’re only seeing what someone filmed. What you may not know is that there is an officer lying critically injured in the hospital because the suspect ran him down with a car, two miles awa. You bet there’s going to be some physicality on the part of the officers. They’re trying to protect not only the lives of others (civilians), but themselves as well.

Same thing with here: I’m only getting a part of the story. Not the whole thing. Do I need to know this? No. Should it be kept private? Yes. And EVERY member here needs to butt out of it unless it involves them directly.

Tev: IMO dude, take it to e-mail. Same with Steven.

Oh... and putting it on a blog without making the attempt to resolve it other ways (see: E-mail) is uncalled for as well. That’s my opinion.

No Matter Where you Go, There You Are.

Jud (moderator) said on November 20, 2006 20:11:

Ally: you insulted Lars on your blog, I don’t think you posted this here ;)
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LittleSpooky said on November 21, 2006 01:02:

I can’t help but to wonder, after being told repeatedly, (and this includes EVERYONE) that people continue to throw “freedom of speech” around. I don’t know what the flap over file sharing is, I admit I haven’t followed that topic for the simple fact that I know how most people feel, I know how I feel, and that’s that.

But, how many times must this be pointed out:

TDR is like an on-line newspaper. “Letters To The Editor” etc, are subjected to being edited for inflammatory remarks, racial hatred, etc. So are things here.

I’m just gonna say this out in the open:

If you don’t like the way things are run here, you are more than welcome to leave and not return. I’m sure that several of us here would ask that you not slag the forum if you choose the option of leaving, however, you can do so, we won’t send the “Internet Mafia” after you. I’m tired of people continually assuming that they have the right to say whatever they think, feel, etc. and not expect that there will be reprocussions of their words. Moderator tag or no, you can’t always “run your mouth” as you see fit. Same with the whole “freedom of speech” bullshit. THERE IS NO SUCH THING! That is the way of the world today. Take a look around and tell me that you can say absolutely ANYTHING you desire, and then have nothing happen. You can’t !! One will be labled racist, sexist, extremist, terrorist, what ever.

Get a grip, your feelings WILL BE HURT by someone at some point in time. It’s how you choose to react that will be remembered more than the insult itself. Childish temper tantrums are unattractive at any age.

No Matter Where you Go, There You Are.

Kathrin said on December 27, 2006 22:47:

I think pwbbounce is right!

Angl_Tht_Rox84 said on February 1, 2007 04:05:

I agree with Kathrin and pwwbounce( hope I spelled that right!) I think rules are good things to have in place. I’d hate to see this site disappear because people can’t get along or whatever other issues people have with other members. Personally I don’t have a problem with anyone on this site, I consider other fans like an extended family who like the same things I do. I don’t know if anyone shares the same feelings as me, but I could be wrong.
I really like this site, its the only one that helps me find out what marie and per are up to. And helps me make friends in different places of the world.

Kathrin said on June 20, 2007 19:42:

I think that the Accounts of those users who don’t obey the Rules, should be deleted!
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Kathrin said on June 27, 2007 20:16:

Yeah,but as thenicekai said that users like “Bananylopalabomba” have been breaking the rules several of Times and that is not OK!
So my Idea would be that the Mods delete those Accounts and or block the user from this Page for a while (via IP)!
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Kathrin said on June 29, 2007 16:01:

What I meant with ,,a while”was like 2 or 3 Months or even more!

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Kathrin said on July 1, 2007 20:40:

What I mean is that those Users have to be told what they have done wrong and then they have to get punished!!!
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Kathrin said on July 4, 2007 17:46:

This Sounds good!
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