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Bombs in London O_o
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Vixzter said on July 7, 2005 09:59:
Some bastards just have to try and prove something don’t they!
nancy_girl said on July 7, 2005 10:17:
bloody hell is it confirmed already?
thats so unfair, do they have to ruin everything?! for once in my life i’m glad not be in London.
and the fecking mobile phone system broke down, i can’t even call my friend to make sure she’s ok :s
rox-kuryliw said on July 7, 2005 10:25:
After such good news with london yesterday with the olympics ,
some sick basterd group has blow up trians and blown a top of a bus, and still more to be confirmed and people saying they are bodies uder sheets ! so panic in london :-( , makes me really cross and angery cos who ever did this, ( most likely another Islamic extremist, and dont care if i sound predjudice! ) They are not winning any suporters doing this, just makes people hate them more, AND the UK has been VERy lucky not to had anything happen up till now i think. LOndon has closed off mobile phone networks cos thats how they think they set off the bombs.
onlywhenidream said on July 7, 2005 10:34:
still stuick in my office right next to Waterloo International Station. In the past 20 minutes we have counted over 130 ambulances and police cars.
My phone doesn’t work.
People in the office are worried cos they have family who drive buses etc. The reports keep rolling in about tubes and buses being targetted.
I get a bus that goes straight through central London to Piccadilly Circus. But, luckily, I always get to work well before 8.15am.
More and more sirens.....
chrisjankunas said on July 7, 2005 10:45:
I’m just glad I could contact mi Mum and brother. I was at those stations yesterday at that time. I hope everyone is alright. I live in Bethnal Green!
chrisjankunas said on July 7, 2005 11:09:
Your previous post was quite sickening! Extremely innapropriate!
rox-kuryliw said on July 7, 2005 11:14:
Oldag75 you shut your mouth on this one mate. London deal with it with the way LONDON deals with it, after all we are home to the three lions ! they will not bringing us down.
onlywhenidream said on July 7, 2005 11:24:
thanks.
for one of the busiest places in Central London - it is now deathly silent, apart from the breaking noise of a siren every now and again. Oh well - am looking forward to the two hour walk home from Waterloo to Shepherd’s Bush.
Londoners are tough cookies...we will get back on our feet pretty quickly and with a resolve to make our brilliant city even more spectacular. Whoever did this are simply crazy. They value nothing. No human life, they don’t care about their own life or their family’s. Their ancestors would be so upset by the way they treat nothing with respect.
It is a sad world.
chrisjankunas said on July 7, 2005 11:31:
I’m kinda relieveved it has been more “distraction” then it has with deathrates. I hope that people out there are alright and that they can get to their loved ones and their homes ASAP!
TinyBubbles said on July 7, 2005 12:29:
The very next day after being awarded the olympics:S
From such a hight to such a low:(
This sickens me to my stomach:@
steven said on July 7, 2005 12:41:
Oldag asked what the British response would be...
...It will be Strong, Determined and Resolute.
If the group responsible for these attacks believe that they have aided whatever misguided cause they support, then they are gravely wrong.
Britain will never falter nor bow down to terrorism, ever.
These crowdedly attacks will unite the people of Britain.
rox-kuryliw said on July 7, 2005 12:43:
”Secret Organisation al Qaeda in Europe, CALLED the attacks it has been said now ” , I knew it, they are evil , such a sharp sad very tastless contrast between UK (and world) helping africa to save lives, then a group claiming to take our lives with satisfaction , how sadly ironic , who is the evil ones ?
Totally agree steven , UK will still hold its head up High and unite us more so now.
ncurran said on July 7, 2005 12:58:
it was kind of inevitable that something would happen like this eventually.
pwbbounce (moderator) said on July 7, 2005 13:06:
So the people behind 9/11 strike again. Can’t believe that the best “intelligence” in the world still has not put a stop to this. yes, it was inevitable, but it’s still a mighty shock.
Feel so sorry for all the people. I don’t live in London, but I was actually in New York on 9/11, so I’ve witnessed a terror strike before, albeit on a much larger scale. But I know what people in London must be feeling.
Best wishes Londoners!
Oldag75 said on July 7, 2005 13:11:
The rest of the world had many suggestions (demands) for how the USA should have responded to terrorist attacks. Will we now see the rest of the world demanding the same “standards” of response behavior for the British? If folks in some other country cheer in the streets because London has been bombed, what are the British supposed to think about that, and how are they supposed to respond? I’m just extremely curious to see how another nation will react, now that it has been dragged into the terrorism mess – and what other folks in other countries will say about the British response. Lord knows we’ve heard all sorts of spittle-flecked ravings about GW Bush. What will now be said about Blair and the Brits?
ally77 said on July 7, 2005 13:16:
From the BBC News Site:
Statement claiming London attacks The BBC has located an Islamist website that has published a 200-word statement issued by an organisation saying it carried out the London bombings.
The organisation calls itself the Secret Organisation Group of al-Qaeda [literally the base] of Jihad Organisation in Europe.
The group not previously been heard of. The website has previously carried statements purporting to be from al-Qaeda. It is not possible to verify such claims published on the web.
This is the full text of the statement.
In the name of God, the merciful, the compassionate, may peace be upon the cheerful one and undaunted fighter, Prophet Muhammad, God’s peace be upon him.
Nation of Islam and Arab nation: Rejoice for it is time to take revenge against the British Zionist Crusader government in retaliation for the massacres Britain is committing in Iraq and Afghanistan. The heroic mujahideen have carried out a blessed raid in London. Britain is now burning with fear, terror and panic in its northern, southern, eastern, and western quarters.
We have repeatedly warned the British Government and people. We have fulfilled our promise and carried out our blessed military raid in Britain after our mujahideen exerted strenuous efforts over a long period of time to ensure the success of the raid.
We continue to warn the governments of Denmark and Italy and all the Crusader governments that they will be punished in the same way if they do not withdraw their troops from Iraq and Afghanistan. He who warns is excused. God says: “You who believe: If ye will aid (the cause of) Allah, He will aid you, and plant your feet firmly.”
carbon_boy said on July 7, 2005 13:16:
My thoughts are with you London.
@Oldag: You always seem to have the most inapropriate responses on all the threads. But I guess that’s what you get when hillbilly’s are educated. We were all devistated when 9/11 happened and now it’s your turn to (at least) be considerate and to keep your negative and sarcastic comments to yourself. And to answer your question, Blair’s 1st comments are as folllows:
“It is important that those engaged in terrorism realise that our determination to defend our values and our way of life is greater than their determination to cause death and destruction to innocent people in a desire to impose extremism on the world,” he said.
“Whatever they do, it is our determination that they will never succeed in destroying what we hold dear in this country and in other civilised nations throughout the world.”
Mr Blair said all the G8 leaders wanted the meeting to continue in his absence so “that we should continue to discuss the issues that we are discussing and reach the conclusions that we were going to reach”.
“Each of the countries around that table have some experience of the effects of terrorism and all the leaders ... share our complete resolution to defeat this terrorism,” he continued.
“It is particularly barbaric this has happened on a day when people are meeting to try to help the problems of poverty in Africa and the long term problems of climate change and the environment.
“Just as it’s reasonably clear this is a series of terrorist attacks, it’s also reasonably clear, that it is designed and meant to coincide with the G8.”
BBC political editor Andrew Marr said Mr Blair was clearly extremely upset when he gave his reaction to the blasts.
(From BBC)
ncurran said on July 7, 2005 13:30:
well OLddag, i wouldnt worry. The UK has years of experience of dealing with terrorist attacks. The IRA carried out much worse bombings than this. That didnt stop IRA leaders being able to go to the US on fundraising trips, but thats a different matter.
I’m pretty sure, or at least i hope that the Blair government will act in a more rational and realistic manner than the Bush government did after 9/11.
onlywhenidream said on July 7, 2005 14:00:
Londoners are all together today. These pathetic acts show these people at their most weak.
Actions of violence are signs of incomprehesible stupidity and desperation. These people are desperate.
I love London and it is, far and away, the best city in the world.
ally77 said on July 7, 2005 14:04:
At least Blair did something quick when he heard.... took Bush a full story book before he moved his arse into gear....
Vixzter said on July 7, 2005 14:04:
@Neil: my thoughts exactly!
@Oldag75: thanks for being so understanding and sympathetic! NOT! i’m sure you’ll come back with some other little quip that will make u look more of a knob than you already have made of ureself so far.
ally77 said on July 7, 2005 14:05:
Well said Vix.... some people are such morons at times like this... :(
carbon_boy said on July 7, 2005 14:12:
@ Ally: LOL! Very very true!!! Wasn’t the book upside down as well?
purplemedusa said on July 7, 2005 14:14:
“took Bush a full story book before he moved his arse into gear”... yeah reading it upside down!
Jud (moderator) said on July 7, 2005 14:30:
:(
Same people as Madrid I fear :/ But sure British will react strong and united, you - as Spaniards - unfortunately have “experience” with local terrorists.. Every time one of this things happen, I wonder WHAT do they gain with that? :/
Some other comments don’t even deserve a reply. Actually, not even a read, I recommend you just skip them (you that don’t have to moderate = read every crap)
Oldag75 said on July 7, 2005 14:36:
Britain, I wish you every success in tracking down the terrorists who did this, killing all of them and all of their accomplices, achieving victory and putting an end to the attacks.
You’re either with Britain, or against them – there is no middle ground regarding terrorism.
ally77 said on July 7, 2005 17:04:
The news says approx 30 dead but from some of the stories I see on the news here, the death can will be higher, I think they are hiding somthing about just how many fatalities there might have been on the underground :(
Jud (moderator) said on July 7, 2005 17:25:
don’t wanna be negative but.. in Madrid there were almost 200 :(
ncurran said on July 7, 2005 17:49:
Especially for Olddag:
http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13382484,00.html
MUSLIMS CONDEMN ATTACKS
Muslim groups across Britain condemned the terrorist bombings in London.
The Muslim Council of Britain said it “utterly condemns the perpetrators of what appears to be a series of co-ordinated attacks”.
“These evil deeds makes victims of us all.
“The evil people who planned and carried out these series of explosions in London want to demoralise us as a nation and divide us as a people.
“All of us must unite in helping the police to capture these murderers.
Some Muslim groups fear a backlash.
Some British Muslims reported being attacked or harassed following the September 11 terrorist attacks and the Madrid train bombings.
The Muslim News, based in Harrow, Middlesex, unreservedly condemned the bombings in London.
Editor Ahmed Versi said: “We unequivocally condemn these terrorist attacks.
“We express our deep condolences to the families, relatives and friends of the victims.”
But while the condemnations were expressed, Muslims across the capital feared they might be targets of attacks.
Karim Mohammed, manager of Hilal House restaurant on Edgware Road, said: “Everyone is subdued and people are wondering what has happened. People are asking how will it affect us, are we going to be treated in a nice way after this?
“We have nothing to do with this.”
ncurran said on July 7, 2005 18:21:
Just heard on the scottish news that Princes Street (the main street in Edinburgh) has been closed off completely as a suspicious package was found on a bus. A bomb disposal unit is on its way to carry out a controlled explosion
rox-kuryliw said on July 7, 2005 21:03:
ill be honest im sure some muslim people are nice and some bad just like any other religous group , BUt im am wary of muslims ill be honest. living in Bradford which has the highest number of muslims in UK ALOT of there problems are self caused !! They dont mix , they dont include themselves in other non muslim activitys and the expect alot of attention and expect everyone to adjust things for them for being muslim ! ! ! , the areas which they live are self rundown often described as little pakistan its that horrid (if i have litter on my street i get out there with a bin linner not add to) ! I have never heard one muslim person in bradford ever condem actions like this, it does make one think what are they thinking if they silently support this , (makes me feel scared and sick!). Thats just my experience.
chrisjankunas said on July 7, 2005 21:32:
I share some of that bad experience. Anyone remember the muslim prisoners that went over to Iraq during the war to “learn the language”??? and got released.
One of them lives in the same buidling as me, across the street.
But then I have other experience. A shop owner in my street named Joe is muslim but is as nice a man as any!
Edit - its normal to be wary ie wary of potential looking muggers asfter youve been mugged etc. Of coruse most muslims will condemn this, but how do yoy know which are the ones that don’t? You can’t know!
girl7twenty7 said on July 7, 2005 21:39:
Terrible news :( Why ordinary people should always pay for their stupid politicians, I still wonder. To be honest i wouldn’t regret at all if they blew up all the G8 leaders instead...
Oldag75 said on July 7, 2005 21:42:
Bravo for the British Muslims, condemning the attacks. And best wishes for British authorities, in using the unexploded devices to gather evidence to help track down these sub-human perpetrators.
Since everything I say about terrorism seems to upset somebody – and present circumstances have justifiably agitated everyone beyond usual conditions – I vow not to mention the war on terrorism again until late August (if then). By that time, I will have returned from a week on a beach in Mexico..... I advise you all to purchase stock in companies that sell beer in Mexico, because their profits will skyrocket that week. Ahem.
I respect everyone’s opinions here. After all, everyone here, of every age and background, HAS to possess some degree of good judgment, in our common admiration for Roxette’s music.
chrisjankunas said on July 7, 2005 21:46:
Quite obviously you upset at least one person cause every post seems full of sarcasm!
LittleSpooky said on July 7, 2005 21:56:
Other than Only, do we (TDR) have anyone else in London?
ROLL CALL OUR UK FRIENDS!!!
Vix’s already checked in (I can tell it’s her, she’s seething pissed at Oldag, and rightly so. I missed the original asshole comment, but I’m sure someone will enlighten me, as I see it’s been edited by himself).
Only: I see you’re here.
Anyone else??
chrisjankunas said on July 7, 2005 22:01:
Im in London. I live only about 5 minutes away from where some of the explosions went off, but everyone I know is alright, thanx!
Oldags first comment was something about that now the “British” has to completely forgive and forget like the US did or something. It was completely sarky and expressed no sympathy at all, basically saying that the Uk has to act better than what people said about the US. He was “interested” in the way that we would respond.
Basically saying we were about to become hypocrits in the way we react.
Something like that anyway.
rox-kuryliw said on July 7, 2005 22:22:
us brits are strong and toffeey nosed lol, they wont bring us down. AND im glad to be british in times like this.
LittleSpooky said on July 7, 2005 22:49:
Chris: Good to hear that you’re relatively okay. Probably rattled as all get out, but physically you’re fine. Ten to one, you’ll be “rattled” for a while. I’m still waiting for an uncle to call back to see if I have family in that area.
My mom’s oldest brother married a woman from England.. I don’t remember where she’s from exactly, but I’m hoping that no family was there. Probably won’t know until tomorrow.
Sparvogamarie said on July 8, 2005 05:05:
These people are such dirty cowards. Killing innocent people to achieve....what the hell is it they are trying to achieve???? How does blowing things up get them anything except more hatred and prejudice towards the Muslim people, most of whom don’t deserve it?
Glad to hear all our British TDR friends are ok.
ally77 said on July 8, 2005 05:20:
and Fliss posted on R2R she was okay, she works near Edgware where one of the blasts was.... but she is okay, which is good....
Of course there are some other TDR people from London, just trying to think of there names....
I spoke with a friend this evening she is okay, it was her day off work. My best friend’s daughter is fine also, she did not even travel into work today, she works in London she took a day off sick.
London will bounce back from this....
I was only thinking of the Muslin religion recently but to think that although they condem this that they might secretly be happy about it is a scary thought....
carbon_boy said on July 8, 2005 07:10:
@ Ally: Muslims have never been happy about this kind of behaviour. It’s the extremist ones that follow the “cult” which we know as Al-Qaeda and similiar spin-off groups.
Sparvogamarie said on July 8, 2005 08:34:
Yeah when 9/11 happened I was working with a lot of Muslims from Afganistan. One woman’s brothers-in-law were actually working in a food stand directly under the WTC, so she was directly affected by the attack. So even though as Muslims they were supposedly the enemy, they had actually been affected by the attacks as much as anyone else but then they had everyone blaming them because of their race and religion. You can’t blame a whole group for the actions of a few psychos.
ally77 said on July 8, 2005 09:15:
and we all know there will always be some psychos in this crazy messed up world...
rox-kuryliw said on July 8, 2005 11:04:
you dont hear many muslims at all saying its wrong and evil and kicking up a big fuss like the rest of the nation/ world , so far i havent seen or heard one :-S most dont seem bothered ! hope im wrong. I was talking to an old indian women on bus on way home last night from cinema and she was saying they should get who ever did it and chop off a arm and leg at a time to feel the pain of others ! i said umm didnt know what to say to that lol.
off yahoo news ! -
Joely Ward, 36, was walking alongside the bus when it exploded. She told the Daily Mirror: “There was a huge bang and a pile of glass flew over my head. As I looked down there was a mound of flesh at my feet.
“I did not even register what it was, and then I saw a hand sticking out of it. It was a torso at my feet. It was blown apart.”
Stephanie Riak Akuei told The Sun: “There was a lot of body parts and human debris. There were people trapped on the bus.”
“At first there was an eerie quiet and a very profuse smell of blood.”
She added: “I think there were at least 20 people on the bus. At least five were beyond recognition and we covered them up with blankets.”
Other passengers spoke of people remaining in their seats with limbs and body parts missing.
One man was pulled out with bones sticking out of his flesh and chunks ripped out of his skin.
Just absolute Horror & evil ! ! makes feel really reading that.
purplemedusa said on July 8, 2005 11:42:
“As I looked down there was a mound of flesh at my feet”
God THAT’s SO hectic - enough to put anyone off meat forever!! Hoping that the people who’s been scarred by this senseless violence will find healing and forgiveness and peace within themselves! My thoughts r with them all!!
ncurran said on July 8, 2005 11:51:
rox-kuryliw, have you actually asked a muslim about it?
If not stop spouting off claiming they dont care.
rox-kuryliw said on July 8, 2005 14:29:
Neil Curran yes i have simple as that lol i would not write anything if i could not bad it up even if its not the same experience as you have had, seeing that half of bradford is muslim you can not get away from not asking and talking / over hearing things about this, and no clear answer is given when asked. my experience is they dont seem that bothered. again thats my experience glad if you have other but im just keeping my eyes and ears open for now. I think they are extremists either there full on religous or full on rebellious of there own religion to extremes, i havent seen a happy medium yet, im sure they is but i havent seen it.
as for what you call spouting off, again thats your perseption if they can say to me gay people are evil and they need getting rid of ect and are the most homophobic people i have ever known and come across publicly well fine that just makes me more wary of them and what they think of stuff and how they value other people lives. plus i dont even know why im even explaining all this lol.
ncurran said on July 8, 2005 14:51:
funny that, as i am yet to hear ONE muslim saying they condone the bombings, and Ive heard MANY say that they condemn it.
I really dont like how people bring their own prejudices into an argument and use it as an excuse to justify racism
Vixzter said on July 8, 2005 15:04:
There will always be someone out there with such a disregard for human life, i really feel that stuff like this will never end.
after getting home last night and seeing all the stuff on the tv i just feel really really angry!
you can bomb us or whatever but we wont give in you tossers! whoever u are!!
sorry just how i feel, might offened some ppls but i dont care!
rox-kuryliw said on July 8, 2005 15:23:
ncurran if thats what you feel ok. everyone has there views its not the first time iv been called names on this site for being honest ! ! im sure it wont be the last either , but my honesty comes from personal first hand experience . but again i have not said i dislike anyone for colour race or religion if wary is a rasist term ok, Or did i say that i heard muslim people condem or condon iv heard niether. maybe your reading between the wrong lines and judging me to fast, or maybe not , BUt again you are not me in my town with the people i know or the prejudices iv had thrown at my face left right and center no normal person would sit and just smile and not feel anything towards the inflicting people it NO? ! cos i cant ! iv just not had good experiences with it, weather that deserves being called or insinuated to be racist or predujice i dont know. I know im not but thats what matters to me.
rox-kuryliw said on July 8, 2005 15:27:
Vixzter , i thought same as you but as my mam said to me , as many evil horrid people are out there , this is always 3 fold good kind people out there aswell.
Its ok for people to feel angery its a normal emotion in times like this and ok to do so. maybe i need to stop watching the news :-S ! my uncle has had to cancel his wedding this sunday :-( , and coming back up north for a while now.
purplemedusa said on July 8, 2005 15:32:
Arabs fear backlash after London bombings
By Andrew Hammond
2 hours, 39 minutes ago
DUBAI (Reuters) - Arab newspapers urged Britain on Friday not to turn against Arabs and Muslims after bloody bomb attacks in London blamed on al Qaeda Islamist militants.
While all editorials condemned the onslaught, some linked it to Britain’s part in the Iraq invasion or its backing for a U.S.-declared “war on terror,” which, they said, ignores the injustice of occupation fueling militancy in the Middle East.
The Friday prayer preacher in Tehran said Britain, which has said Thursday’s attacks bore the hallmarks of al Qaeda, should remember that Osama bin Laden’s group was a U.S. creation.
Beirut’s English-language Daily Star predicted that Muslims would suffer more discrimination after the carnage in London.
“In spite of the fact that all acts of ’Islamic’ terrorism blatantly contradict Islamic teachings, such acts serve to further distort the image of Muslims and Islam,” it said.
“The stupidity which thought and planned these cowardly and immoral operations has succeeded, once more, in expanding the circle of enemies against Arabs, Muslims and Islam,” said an editorial in the London-based pan-Arab daily al-Hayat.
Saudi Arabia’s mufti, or top religious official, Sheikh Abdul-Aziz al-Sheikh, said the bombers violated Islam. “The explosions in London...targeted the faithful as a whole, and this has no basis in Islam. It is forbidden by our religion.”
The Saudi daily Al-Eqtisadiah said Britain should heed Muslim revulsion at the attacks and use “the voice of reason, wisdom and calm for which British politics is known, not the rage of those who curse and slander everything Arab and Muslim.”
Muslim leaders in London called on worshippers to pray for the bomb victims and warned of an anti-Muslim backlash.
The Muslim Council of Britain said it had received 30,000 e-mail hate messages and the Islamic Human Rights Commission warned London Muslims to stay at home to avoid retaliation.
SOURCES OF TERRORISM
The Arab press gave blanket coverage to the London bombings, except in Cairo, where the media focus was on the killing by Iraqi kidnappers of Egypt’s top diplomat in Baghdad.
An editorial in Egypt’s state-run al-Gomhuria daily took the West to task for its “war on terrorism,” saying this had failed to provide security for Americans or Europeans.
“The American administration must try fair solutions for the issues of occupied people as this will dry up the sources of terrorism and return stability to the world,” it said.
Most Lebanese newspapers linked the strikes on London to British military involvement in Iraq:
“Al Qaeda spreads death from Iraq to the heart of London,” was the headline in al-Balad, while the leading an-Nahar daily said: “Olympic London turned into a battlefield for Iraq.”
As-Safir newspaper condemned the “terrorists” who struck at the heart of London. “But this doesn’t cancel the fact that occupation is terrorism against people, whether American as in Iraq or Israeli as in Palestine,” it added.
The London-based Asharq al-Awsat newspaper led its 11 pages on the attacks with a huge picture of a victim and the headline: “Al Qaeda’s fingerprints on London’s bloody morning.”
In Tehran, Ayatollah Mohammad Emami-Kashani used his Friday sermon to condemn the blasts, but reminded British Prime Minister Tony Blair of what he said was al Qaeda’s parentage.
“You (Blair) should not forget that al Qaeda was created by big powers. America is the father and Israel is the mother of al Qaeda,” he declared. “The aim of Qaeda’s creation was to cause problems for Iran. Now it causes problems for its founders.”
In Islamist Internet chatrooms, several users welcomed the bloodshed in London. “To those surprised by the killing of Americans and Britons in their countries, weren’t you shocked by the killing of women and children in Palestine, Iraq and Afghanistan? As they kill us, we should kill them,” one said.
source; http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050708/wl_nm/security_britain_mideast_dc
ally77 said on July 8, 2005 16:39:
I’ve got sick of the news now.... it’s happened there is nothing we can do, we should be thankfully that not many many more people where killed in this act of murder. Our thoughts should be with those that have lost loved ones, and those who have friends and family still missing....
London and the UK needs to be strong....
coyboyusa said on July 8, 2005 19:20:
welll this is a reminder to the rest of europe that no matter how opposed to the war in iraq u were you’re still a target for retarded mademen
ncurran said on July 8, 2005 20:51:
and a reminder to the next Prime Minister not to follow US policy so blindly
rox-kuryliw said on July 8, 2005 21:01:
i do agree ally, i think maybe it can be dug to deep with news sometimes, plus it just makes me dam sad was watching trev mcdonald on tonight show (would love to see him as prime minister cant beat trev) ! i was speaking to my uncle tonight and he is going to west end tonight to the theatre , so west end is all open again, my mothers head office in london near one of the stations has been closed today until monday now.
Sparvogamarie said on July 9, 2005 03:20:
I mean this as no disrespect to London in any way - what happened there was a disgusting act of violence and murder - but this happens all the time in Israel, Palestine and other middle eastern countries. ALL THE TIME. And it makes about 5 seconds on our news, while London (and 9/11) get several days of headlines.
It makes me sad that the western world only pays attention when something happens to USA or UK. Even the Bali bombings barely made the news outside of Asia and Australia. It must be strange for an Isralite to watch the news and see all the attention this gets, when in their homeland it happens every week and nobody raises an eyebrow.
LittleSpooky said on July 9, 2005 05:06:
Sparvo: I heard about the Bali Bombings during an AFL match. One of the men who plays / played for the Kangaroos was a “victim” of that. He’d gone in and pulled as many people out as he could and wound up suffering NUMEROUS burns across his upper body. I think he retired at the end of last season / season before (wish I could remember his name).
I put victim in quotes because I wasn’t sure if he was a victim or just happened to be near by when this happened.
coyboyusa said on July 9, 2005 18:50:
saprvoga just because it happens alot in other palces where people are so uncivilized that they think blowing up children is an answer to their problems doesn’t mean its
A> Right
B> justified
or
C> that we have to accept it
these peopel are the ultimate cowards, they brainwash people to murder themselves and others
ncurran said on July 9, 2005 19:12:
coyboy she never said it was right or justified, just that it happens. and she is right
ally77 said on July 9, 2005 21:04:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4668313.stm
Seems there is now a threat to Birmingham....
rox-kuryliw, you okay....
Roxette-atic said on July 9, 2005 22:34:
This whole thing is so sad. I love London ( was there 2 months ago..). And Im afraid that Italy or Denmark might be next.. :(
MiracleMan said on July 9, 2005 23:22:
Awful. Just disgusting and awful.
I travelled all day Thursday and was so surprised how the death toll went from 2 in the early morning (when I last heard the news) to thirty something later, now in the 40s somewhere today—while the injured skyrocketed from not quite 200 to 700 in that time. Appalling and disgusting and awful.
But there is something heartening in the pluck of the Brits to be strong—especially you guys in here. Keep strong.
ally77 said on July 10, 2005 07:02:
and there are still people trapped in part of the underground...
Sparvogamarie said on July 10, 2005 09:28:
Cowboy where the hell does it say that I think it’s right or justified...read the first line again please...I am saying that I think it’s really sad that the media does not pay attention unless it happens to “us” - ie. people like ourselves. The Bali bombings made huge news in Australia only because 100s of Aussies were involved. Otherwise, lets face it, who would have paid attention except for 5 minutes on the news, which is what happened in most other countries.
I was in Sweden during the tsunami, and the only country that made the news was Thailand. Why? Because 30000 Swedes were in Thailand and 1000s were killed. The other countries barely got mentioned. It really saddens me that every country is only out for themselves. All I hear in Australia is about the handful of Aussies in the London bombings. Why can’t the world pay more attention to others outside their own home?
coyboyusa said on July 10, 2005 20:57:
sparvoga u made it sound as if we shoudl just accept terro bombings as a regular any day occurance and we shouldn’t and honestly eeach media tewnds to focus on thrit own people its what sellls magazines and the like, and frankly i dont’ care how many peope palestinians blow up cause that whole issue we tried to address and both parties walked away
Santi said on July 10, 2005 21:36:
There’s a very important rule in journalism that says that “things that happen nearer matter the most”. As a journalist you should focus and cover news that matter.
Maybe there is some student of journalism reading this and can confirm this for you.
Vixzter said on July 10, 2005 21:42:
spar: i think its cos ure in the british empire and that makes the news possibly?
cos as much as u love to hate us we love ya really ;) you drive on the left drink tea and play cricket for god sakes ;)
Santi said on July 10, 2005 21:47:
Besides I don’t understand how seeing all of the time these people suffering is going to improve our lifes. TV is not only to show all the disgrace in the world, and if you just could watch that, you wouldn’t be very sane either. Everybody knows this world is not like the best place, but it has been worse before and most people don’t need yet another reason to cry every 5 minutes. TV is for entertainment too, and for education. TV should be balanced, not to turn us all into psychos...
ncurran said on July 10, 2005 22:22:
Coyboy, “frankly i dont’ care how many peope palestinians blow up cause that whole issue we tried to address and both parties walked away”
What a ridiculous point of view, especially coming from an american. The US has a lot to answer for concerning its Israeli policy, and it also has a lot of responsibility resolving the situation.
Sparvogamarie said on July 11, 2005 03:13:
Vix: I’m half Aussie and half Irish - so both halves of me have a reason to hate the British hahahaha! Nah I don’t mind you ol’ tea and scone having pommies.
Cowboy: in one breath you tell me off for making it sound like I think it’s ok to blow up people, then in another breath you say you don’t care how many they blow up....
I don’t give a toss about nearer being more important or whatever, I think that’s half the problem with this planet is we don’t care about anyone outside our own backyard. This morning on the news it was the top story that there might be “AN AUSSIE FATALITY IN THE LONDON BOMBINGS” I was like...50 something people were killed and it’s top news that one might be Aussie? How about caring that a bunch of innocent people died regardless of their nationality? It always happens, there was a plane crash but “No Aussie fatalities” so it gets a 5 second mention. Same thing happened in Sweden. I hate it.
Sparvogamarie said on July 12, 2005 03:10:
Lil’ Spooky: That footballer you mentioned was Jason McCartney. I remember he was a big hero at the time.
ally77 said on July 12, 2005 06:33:
I was in my town yesterday and as a precaution, they put binbags over all the bins with a sign saying NOT IN USE, what the hell was that all about....
Vixzter said on July 12, 2005 11:37:
we had a bomb scare at Oxford train station, some twat had left some shopping there apprently, turned out to be a box with some trainers in.
These ppls are idiots!
rox-kuryliw said on July 12, 2005 14:39:
****** well they think they found the bombers/ or who did it in a number of house’s in shock horror west yorkshire (were i live) and here is the BIG FAT IM NOT SUPRISE ONE bit , should of known as i was evacuated from leeds train station on way home other day knew something was up, thought it was abit stange why problems with stuff up north, not been evacuated since the IRA days that was monthly back then ! ! i dont think i need say anymore ! !
ally im from leeds/ bradford airport live near there ! but ta ;-). im trying not to say anything in case i get accusations thrown at me again by
others lol. BUt i bet the bastards that bombed london went to a mosque in bradford and hid out in leeds, id put money on it ! ! thats scary :-S so leeds & bradford people on alert since the news broke this morning its been so so quite.
”off yahoo news -
The suspected bomber of the London bus attack has been identified as among the 13 who died, according to police sources.The news comes as armed police search a house in Leeds after the Army used a controlled explosion to get in.
Hundreds of people had already been evacuated from the area around Hyde Park Road, Burley.
Neighbours at one of the addresses reported that a 22-year-old man who lived there with his family had gone missing.
Police are now searching the house for explosives.
Five other homes in Leeds had earlier been raided by police hunting the terrorists behind last week’s London attacks.
Officers are now standing guard after sealing off a section of Colwyn Road in Beeston, Leeds.”
Sparvogamarie - i think its more of a shock for london and some of the other countrys cos its seen by the world as a place of salvation in a way, people come to UK and some other countys to escape bombs and guns horror ect to live in peace un like the middle east ect where they have had problems for as far back as books go. I just saw that Nigerian women on news whos son is thought to have been on that bus blown in half , and started thinking bet she came here for her son to live a better life. Thats why i think its different from the other countrys in middle east ect.
Vixzter said on July 12, 2005 15:26:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4674463.stm
atleast one of the bastards died with the bombs! although thats probably what they set out to do in the first place.
>:-(
Vixzter said on July 12, 2005 16:09:
if it makes u feel better we’ll probably find out they were a graduate from Oxford University
ally77 said on July 12, 2005 16:22:
arses... just heard all 4 died... GOOD RIDDENCE to a those pieces of S***t
rox-kuryliw said on July 12, 2005 16:27:
i wish they caught alive and been made to serve the rest of there lives to be punished for what they did death i sthe easy way out for these mas people,.
Now tighter regulations should be put in place to stop people like these, should have been done ages ago shame something like this has had to hi light the is a problem in UK .
I saw a story on front page of sun today over someones shoulder on bus today about someone trying to get in uk but was turned away from france and us for terrisum links ? anyone see it ?
ally77 said on July 12, 2005 16:29:
Yeah but sending them to prison is like going to Butlins for a long holiday in the UK!
ally77 said on July 13, 2005 07:06:
Found a nice note on my desk this morning @ work, reminding us not to let strangers in etc.... and to be wary of strange parcels...
tevensso (moderator) said on July 13, 2005 12:40:
Hasib Hussain, 19, Shehzad Tanweer, 22 and Mohammed Sadique Khan, 30. The fourth is unknown still. All from the Leeds area, and born in the UK, but they were of Pakistanian heritage.
LaMan said on July 13, 2005 13:49:
I have a feeling Pakis are not liked in the UK right??? Someone told me already in 1989.
ncurran said on July 13, 2005 14:04:
LaMan shut up! You do realise you just used a racist term dont you? Please edit your post
LaMan said on July 13, 2005 14:20:
WHAT??!! You ppl are weird. In fact I have heard MANY TIMES ppl from Pakistan are NOT LIKED in the UK.
What´s wrong with this comment??? It´s not like I DON‘T LIKE PAKIS!!!!
ncurran said on July 13, 2005 14:39:
Ok, so maybe you dont know, since you are not from the UK, but you should not use the word “Paki”. In Britain it is kind of the equivalent of calling a black person a “nigger”.
And in answer to your question, I have a very good Pakistani friend from University. I think in most parts of the UK, Asians in general are well integrated, though there are some areas where there are tensions, and like everywhere there are some racist people about.
chrisjankunas said on July 13, 2005 15:19:
The only difference being that black people call themselves “niggers”. Sorry if that offends anyone cause I know how it was abusive then when they were inslaved.
But I don’t understand why they call eachother it without it being offensive?? Can anyone on this forum answer that question?
Oldag75 said on July 13, 2005 16:56:
I can answer that question. It’s to exercise power over others. It’s to say, “Look at me. Here is a word I can say freely, and you are forced to listen to me say it – but if YOU say it, I will sue you for discrimination, or file a complaint and get you fired, or tell my buddies and they will beat you up.”
The Mark Twain novel The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, arguably the crown jewel of American literature, is banned from many classrooms due to its use of that word. And then the film Pulp Fiction, which uses that word EXTENSIVELY, is praised from all quarters.
It’s just a power thing.
ncurran said on July 13, 2005 17:23:
Oldag, I kind of agree that it is a power thing, but not in a negative sense like you suggest. It is a way of fighting back at the discrimation that people face. A kind of way of sticking their finger up at racist people and saying, “yes i am a nigger, so what?”
The same has happened with gay people, with the terms “faggot” (america) and “poof “(UK), which are offensive terms, but gay people have adopted them and use them between themselves. As a gay man myself, i dont find “Poof” or “faggot” offensive, but like most swear words it depends on the context and who is saying it. If it was a stranger who called me a “f***ing poof”, i would find that offensive, yet a friend (gay or straight) could call me the same in a different context and i wouldnt bat an eyelid.
The same can’t be said for “paki”. I’m not sure why, but the same has not happened and i dont hear asians using that term to describe themselves. Perhaps they have just accepted that racism exists, and havent bothered fighting back, or maybe they find it more offensive, which i would understand as many people use it to describe any asian looking people, many of whom would be Indian/Bangladeshi, etc, rather than Pakistani.
Anyway, we’ve gone rather off topic....but LaMan, i just wanted to tell you that you shouldnt use that word
ally77 said on July 13, 2005 18:07:
I once called my cousin a “nigger” I was 7, she was 8 she did not like me for it, and smacked me in the gob! then I got shouted from my grandparents and my parents, I think I kind of got the message is was wrong!
Kathrin said on July 20, 2005 21:04:
Terror is bad!
Didn’t the Hippies used to say Make Love not WAR!
Vixzter said on July 21, 2005 12:43:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4703777.stm
I hope this isn’t happening again!!!!
>:-(
onlywhenidream said on July 7, 2005 10:16:
I’m stuck in Central London...it’s VERY scary. I have to say I am really scared.