Jud (moderator) said on December 7, 2004 07:19:

:S if you are in the same town why don’t you meet instead of chatting? :S

Jackeill said on December 7, 2004 11:22:

oh thank god that i can meet anybody anytime here in poland... have you been thinkng about moving to another country maybe somwhere in europe? :) if not, think about it!

;)

Oldag75 said on December 7, 2004 15:36:

Dont worry. She soon will meet some other dude in your absence, and then you will become a mere footnote to her life.

Jud (moderator) said on December 7, 2004 17:46:

how are you supposed to know eachother if you can’t meet? :S I mean.. urgh, I could not imagine being with somebody without BEING without that somebody, that is, talk face to face, hold hands, do things together, etc etc just BE together. We do live in different worlds :O

harriej said on December 7, 2004 21:43:

It’s time to wake up your sister.
In what kind a world is she living?

lawyer said on December 7, 2004 23:39:

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lawyer said on December 8, 2004 22:11:

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zeeshan said on December 9, 2004 08:26:

Lawyer: Are you fucking kidding? I hope u r cuz whateverrrrr you said up there is soooo not true? Which part of the world are u from? ok so I know it is Islamabad but hey u have some realllyy wrong concepts about Karachi and the society here. You’ll be blown away once u land here. Get ready to be taught some serious lessons in life. Karachi like u said is a huge city but it doesn’t have 4 Caror people. It is around 1.5 carore so better fix those facts first. Secondly, people have you scared and all that cuz prolly they want u to stay home so they tell u stupid stories. Kidnapping happens EVERYWHERE in the world, not just Karachi but do not think that it is anything out of normal.

I have alato gal friends and we go out to have fun, visit each other’s place and spend a wonderful time together so unless the parents of your girl are from cave age then hey u don’t have a problem. Karachi has a totally difference culture and social values, something you will be shocked to see and observe. A lot has changed here in a last 10 years and I think that the concepts you have are the ones driven from the elders of your family/friends who might have spent some time here like 30 years ago???

Marriage? dude, don’t get me wrong but isn’t that pushing it too much. Those indian movies I swear, they are spoiling kids here. It is the time of your life, ENJOY it to the max. Don’t get involved in this marriage thing man. Study well, have fun, build a good career and once u r ready for her, THEN think about marriage.

Meeting regularly with a girl can be pathetic. I mean err ok so I am gona get flamed for this, look even if u feel like meeting her EVERY DAY u shud consider skipping a few days cuz I think that’s how we learn to respect each other in a better way and we also get to understand the importance of that very special person in our lives but still if you want to meet her DAILY then hmmm contact me once u r in karachi, I’ll tell u some of them good old tips. Oh btw.. why is your sister not going to allow u to make new friends??????? I mean that’s sooooo absurd and amazing. I totally positively agree with Harrie here... time u wake her up dude... shake her hard if u have to and while u r at it, shake yourself hard too and get rid of those pathetic ideas u have about the cultural values of Karachi or I’ll smack u hard when u come to see me in Karachi :P:P

Basically, u shud just wait a bit. Come to Karachi and forget about the fact that u r from Islamabad. That’s a pretty dead city from any Karachiites standards. Once u r in Karachi, start making friends and communicate with them. You’ll see a HUGE HUGE difference in both these cities and the way people talk, have fun and live their lives. No offence but we call Islamabad the “city of the dead” because of the boring social and cultural values it has. Even though Islamabad has the majority of the Punjabi people who are actually very hyper in most of the cases, the capital city just lacks that touch of an actual city life we are sooo used to. Please please please KNOW that u r coming to a socially betteerrr place and where stupid traditions and values are almost dead. What does suck about Karachi is the traffic and roads and all that crap. It really sucksssss.

You said that u r not allowed to get married in the age of 19 by the society. This of course is an amazing thing to learn. Never have I come across any case where I observed someone being told not to get married in the age of 19. People don’t get married at that sorda age cuz they have brains :D Who would spoil the very best time of your age life has to offer? and tell me Lawyer, would you marry the one u love without getting established first? I bet u are not paying for your studies yourself instead u r being supported from your family like the other guys/girls in Pakistan. How come any one of us think about getting married when we don’t have jobs and a seperate place to live etc etc.

As for the religion allowing u to get married then well u can get married as soon as u get to be an adult... mentally and can bear the expenses yourself so the age 19 is non sense.

You need to fix a lot of things up your brain buddy. Please do not be offended by whatever I said up there. I want u to know these things and understand them so when you actually come here, you wouldn’t get shocked and awed. Get to Karachi and adapt its lifestyle first. I bet you’ll be left amazed and totally surprized when u experience the fact that 24 hours seem to be 12 hours in Karachi because life is too fast here. Dooo come and see me when u come to Karachi. My cell phone number is 03332227709. Give me a call when u get enough time out of your busy schedule.

Good luck and pphhulleez, tell your sister to WAKE UP!!!!

Z

lawyer said on December 9, 2004 13:58:

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ncurran said on December 9, 2004 17:04:

Lawyer i think you should go to Karachi and get on with it....worry about your sisters attitude when you get there...but you are still very young, i remember (vaguely) being your age...the next few years you will grow a lot as a person and open your eyes to a new world. I dont know much about these 2 cities, but reading what was written here i know where i would rather be out of the 2

purplemedusa said on December 9, 2004 21:03:

So we’re movin onto girls now, aren’t we? Gosh you don’t mess about...!

zeeshan said on December 9, 2004 21:14:

ncurran: I agree with you. That sorda age is too young to choose “the one”. I mean I think there is just too much of a risk. It doesn’t necessarily means that the first girl u fall in love with head over heels is the one. In fact in most of the cases it is quite the opposite case. Mostly guys and girls end up saying that their first love was a big mistake. There are exceptional cases of course. My own case being one of them but that doesn’t mean that there are millions of lucky people out there.

zeeshan said on December 9, 2004 21:42:

Laywer: Know that even in Karachi it is the same. I don’t know people who live around my place. I don’t have time for them. We do not get enough time to interact with say neighbours and all. Too busy for that us Karachiites. We call Isl the city of dead cuz I can hear barking dogs on the streets after 8:00pm I mean like what the hell? people go to sleep early and err there are no happening places. I mean where is the fun dude? where are all the parties? where are all the people having fun? The tasteless food, the almost empty streets. Believe me for me I envy the kind of traffic u have but I can’t live in that city for more than 2 days cuz I’ll be killing myself out of boredome by the second night. Even out of our busy schedule, we tend to stay up nights to have fun. Ask TinyBubbles how little I can sleep and still work for days and have a ball of a time at the same time.

Indian hands in corruption? Yeah ok so that tells me that you are in for all of them stupid newspapers and MMA hypes and shit. C’mon dude... you think all of the Pakistani agencies are like totally innocent? get out of those concepts driven to you by those stupid Islamic extremists and political parties. You can’t clap with just one hand. If they are involved in anything then so are we... and it is time that you accept it this way.

The T.V. documentary? hmm ok so if u said 2 carore or something near to that sorda figure I might have pushed myself to believe that but 4c is a huge huge huge figure. I’d run away from this city with my shoes in my hands the day the population gets 4carore. Seriously.. I mean we already have a lottttt of people coming from all the provinces of Pakistan, Iranies, Africans, Bangladeshies etc to work here in Karachi and I am so very sick of the traffice already. 4 carore would mean a total disaster and an end to Karachi and its inhabitants. I know the population is huge yeah but not THAT huge. Gosh!!

Al-Qaida is the operative behind all the blasts that happened last year. Innocent Pakistani blood was shed because of the fact that we are trying to eliminate these bast**ds from our land and trying to make it more safe.. the way it was before the cold war.

Good that u don’t watch those indian movies where the lead characters end up marrying each other and the person they marry is the first person in their lives. C’mon!!!!!! PYAR PYAR PYAR PYAR PYAR... makes me wana puke. So not real.

Yup they have the right to have their traditions but they don’t have the right to keep their daughter behind bars dude. I mean that’s so not right and I just can’t seem to agree with the idea.

Why is your sister so strict? and if she is strict... what is it about anyway? that u can’t meet girls? O.o but why??? hahahaha and if she doesn’t like Karachi that much and if it is not that safe then why doesn’t she go back to Islamabad where it is more safer and where her kids are more safe and can spend the WHOLEEEEEEE day in their home playing with their lil toys and listening to bed stories etc? I am sorry if what I am about to say is going to hurt you or offends you but it seems to me that she doesn’t want you to come here. Maybe she wants to have freedome of her own? I mean whatever you wrote up there doesn’t make sense. I am a Karachiite so I’d know more than a person who has only spent 4 years here. Maybe she doesnt’ want you to come to Karachi cuz maybe her hubby doesn’t like the idea? well who knows? all sorda thoughts come to my mind. KNOW Wasif... KNOW that whatever info she has passed on to your parents is nothing but crap. I am sorry if that sounds disturbing in anyway but it is a huge pile of crap and mess.

You shouldn’t take my word for it though. Come to Karachi and see things yourself.

Besta luck mairay bhai! I am here if ya need me for something.

Kachina: Yeah that’s ma number... and Tb helped you with the country code.. here let me write it done properly for international dialling... it is.... +923332227709 So when shud I expect phone calls from my fellow TDRians? :D

Where the hell is ZAINE?????????????

carbon_boy said on December 10, 2004 05:48:

@ Zee: I like you more and more verytume I read your comments. Good to see you’re growing up ;o)

@ Lawyer: Ok. Here’s the deal. You’ve obviously been raised in a very closed and confined environment. A very safe environment where the outside world has been painted in your head and others around you as a dangerous place. Listen: there’s a BIG world out there, where people get murdered, bombs go off, planes crash, people get kidnapped, shot at, robbed, get infected with terrible viruses, etc... but that’s part of life. You can’t forever sit at home in your bedroom and email and chat to that girl on the other side of your world and think everything will be dandy. Live a little. Tell your sister you’re going out to see someone. (Btw, the fact that she’s trying to convince your mother not to send you there is a dead give-away that something’s very wrong. It sounds to me like she hiding something.) You heard what Zee had to say: K is great place where you can go out and have fun. So do that. Stop worrying. Make some new friends, HAVE FUN. You’re only young once. You’ll be old and can worry about the safety and security of your country for the rest of your life - but now for the next couple of years: let loose!!! Oh yes, and finally, why don’t you ask this girl if it would be ok with her if you guys hang out together, do stuff together, etc. Ask her if her parents are ok with the fact that she has guy friends. If her parents and her dont have a problem, why worry what your sister has to say?

Oh, and OLDAG: Go suck a f***!!!!

TinyBubbles said on December 10, 2004 11:25:

oh yeah i forgot to mention you leave the 0 out after dialling +92 thanks Zee :PPPP

zeeshan said on December 10, 2004 21:59:

Carbonboy: Oh I am growing up? mann that means I am getting old :( :( I don’t wana grow up more but err I can’t help it. I hate getting old I guess. Scares the hell out of me. I want to die young :(

Defend Karachi? lol sometimes I think that I say a lot of things about Karachi an average Karachitte wouldn’t say and that too in not a good way but what you said is wrong and is a clear case of WRONG INFORMATION. Why would I defend Karachi? I wanted to “explain” Karachi because what you have heard is so not true and I agree with Carbon Boy when he says that the outside world has been painted in your head and the more they do, the more Zombie like you would become yaar. Obviously what you have heard, seen and read about Karachi is totally wrong and I am asking you not to take my word for it. Come and see it by yourself and then go and talk to your sister and ask her why did she portray an ugly pic of Karachi in front of your parents.

Getting back to some political views (yeah I know it has nothing to do with this thread but what the hack...) only the fact that you think Al-Qaida doesn’t operate here and your approach to the hatred towards Indians CLEARLY indicates your lack of knowledge about current affairs and the brainwash state that you are in. I doubt that any thing u said up there is coming from your brain. I bet that these are the words of your parents/friends etc but not yours. You simply don’t know.

Why can’t we be friends with India? why not? Yes, there were operatives of Al-Qaida in WANA. They are merely humans. All they know is to KILL or be killed without any cause.

If you follow Islam and have learnt a shit about Islamic teachings then u shud know that being friends and being at peace is all what Islam teaches. The meaning of the word Islam is “peace” and as muslims we MUST work for peace and be friends with other races, casts, relgions etc Aside from relgion, I think there is a thing called Humanity. Why can’t we just be friends for the sake of the god damn humanity? Why can’t all of us at least try to think to be friends for just once and try it out? give it one shot? you wouldn’t know that it won’t or will work until you try it right? If Indians are corrupt so have been our leaders in the past. If you are not following the policy of calling Indian as friends then buddy you sound like a person who loves war instead of peace, who’d like to see blood on the streets than happy faces. If you don’t want to be friends with them you HAVE to and vise versa. They know we can’t go on a war anymore. Both the countries have nukes and a war between Pakistan and India is something next to impossible. Sooo why can’t we just be friends? And what’s all that bullsh** about USA observing UFOs, Al-Qiada blah blah? C’mon you are brainwashed man!

The offical count said 90c. It was the offical Mardam Shumari that occured a few years ago but that was wrong. I know cuz I live here and cuz Karachi has a lot of research groups constantly working on the facts and figure and what they estimated was a total population of over 1.25c sooo... to hell with your tv documentary. PPP for MQM is no more an issue so update yourself dude!!!!!!! it is MQM vs MMA now.. GO READ SOME NEWSPAPERS!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh and even if I don’t have any suggestiosn to give you in your girlfriend problem, I’ll still reply to this thread.. AS MANY TIMES AS I WANT TO soo.. :P

Lawyer... something reminds me of your website where u had tips on offer for the ones who were in love or something like that? You had a few websites right? and errr one of them even won a place in the G.book of world record right? for being the biggest website ever and then u posted the news and everybody was like so shocked and asked for the proof which you didn’t come up with and then u left TDR swearing never to come back again cuz TDRians sucked and later on made a new id. I hate speaking the truth at times.

z

Jud (moderator) said on December 10, 2004 23:59:

and yet another flame? Can’t people have a decent conversation without adding f**k words and flames?

lawyer said on December 11, 2004 22:03:

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carbon_boy said on December 13, 2004 07:42:

@ Judith: everyone was thinking it, I just said it. ;o) I can’t handle the fact that some people can be so pessimistic and nasty at the same time.

@ Zee: We’re all growing old - but it doesnt mean you can’t still be young at heart. Never forget to have fun, smile and laugh. That’s the secret to eternal youth.

;o)

carbon_boy said on December 13, 2004 13:34:

Nothing prettier and sexier than laughter lines, Kachina....

Who’d want to be with someone that never smiles?

EDIT:

@Kachina - I don’t think you understood what I meant. Will have to make this simple.... The only eternal youth we’ll ever have is from how we feel on the inside. Not what we look like. I know 40 year olds that can party and have just as much fun as their 20 y/o kids. It’s about enjoying life to the fullest and realising that smiling is is a 1000 times better than frowning.

It is 2.5 times easier to smile than to frown. It takes 43 muscles to frown, but only 17 muscles to smile.