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a new reason do despise the hypocrite bono?
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coyboyusa said on June 18, 2004 21:07:
well I was watching vh1’s 100 most outrageous celebrity moments and guess what bono did. Back when he did that concert witth pavoratti, he lefthis ” FAVORITE” hat in ireland. So he pauid 100 dollard to have it taxied to an airport for a 600 dollar first class flight to england and another 100 dollar taxi ride to londo where he was performing. ain’t that just a little bit hypocritical of a man who triumps saving africa and ending world hunger....that 800 dollars would feed a family of 5 in africa for 3 months SHESSH
Jud (moderator) said on June 18, 2004 21:47:
never liked him either.. actually I only like a couple of U2 songs :S
Roxfever said on June 18, 2004 22:13:
Don’t we all waste money to a certain extend instead of giving it to those who really need it? Perhaps we spend only 10$ for something we don’t need, Bono 1000$ but if we are honest to ourselves, it’s the same, only the dimensions are different.
Shane said on June 18, 2004 22:23:
I do not think it matters how Bono spends his money - it’s his to do with what he wants. It is great that he now has this great social conscience but I wish he would stop making it sound like eliminating third world debt is as easy as erasing some numbers from a ledger. The international economy is a bit complex.
RoxHard - you really think Africa would be okay if it’s debt were eliminated? It seems to be struggling with civil wars, refugees, AIDs epidemic, etc.
RoxHard said on June 18, 2004 23:16:
Shane - but, if their debt was called off - it would be able to afford medicine to help aids sufferers, and promote safe sex. They would have a lot more free money to help their people - instead of giving $1bn a year to other governments.
Euro4Ever said on June 18, 2004 23:49:
U2 is way Overrated. They had a few Great songs back in the 80’s, And some in the 90’s. But most of their stuff is just filler when it comes to melody hooks. Never liked their albums much.
well IMO at least.
purplemedusa said on June 19, 2004 05:20:
Coyboy... for once I totally agree with you and I’m able to read you’re post (wuz-up, something wrong?!) never been a Bono fan... not even his “humanitarian” projects -> they just don’t seem authentic or coming from a pure sorce!
ally77 said on June 19, 2004 07:45:
£25 per week... god I could not afford that a month let alone a week!!
Denstandigaresan said on June 19, 2004 14:07:
That’s about £4 a day... wow, that’s more than my family have to live on.
There is a program on MTV that goes through the lifestyles of the rich and famous, JLo is the one that left me open mouthed, she spends up to $10,000 a time on a meal for a couple people... $500 on a single bottle of champagne, several at a time, and she doesn’t drink, puts her dog in a ’doggy hotel’ at $125 dollars a night, etcetcetc...
ALL celebs flash their cash... but because they have it doesn’t mean they can’t spend it as they wish.
If the governments of the world weren’t so damn greedy there wouldn’t be starving people around the world.
I certainly won’t ’despise’ Bono because he doesn’t feed the starving! Pffft.
I despise him cause his music is crappola.
RoxHard said on June 19, 2004 15:31:
A few great U2 singles (& UK Chart Positions):
- New Years Day (#10)
- Sunday Bloody Sunday (uncharted)
- Pride (in the name of love) (#3)
- The Unforgettable Fire (#6)
- With Or Without You (#4)
- I Still Haven’t Found What I’m Looking For (#6)
- Where The Streets Have No Name (#4)
- Desire (#1)
- When Love Comes To Town (with BB King) (#6)
- All I Want Is You (#4)
- The Fly (#1)
- Mysterious Ways (#13)
- One (#7)
- Even Better Than The Real Thing (#8)
- Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me (#2)
- Discotheque (#1)
- Sweetest Thing (#3)
- Beautiful Day (#1)
- Stuck In A Moment (#2)
- Elevation (#3)
- Electrical Storm (#5)
4 UK #1 singles (5 including the ‘Take Me To The Clouds Above’ remix)
8 UK #1 albums
They’re obviously doing something right!
RoxHard said on June 19, 2004 15:34:
You could make a full lenght album out of all their classic singles:
New Years Day; Sunday Bloody Sunday; Pride (in the name of love); With Or Without You; I Still Haven’t Found What I’m Looking For; Where The Streets Have No Name; When Love Comes To Town (with BB King); All I Want Is You; The Fly; Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me, Kill Me; Discotheque; Sweetest Thing; Beautiful Day.
ally77 said on June 19, 2004 17:52:
And of course it is not just the music industry that is overpaid.. look at footballers... or any other sport for that matter...
kachina008 said on June 19, 2004 19:00:
There is an uneven (unfair) distribution of wealth all over the world :P
Santi said on June 19, 2004 19:20:
And of course there is a good historical reason for that distribution for which Europe is highly responsible.
Santi said on June 19, 2004 19:24:
I think the only way to solve Africa’s problems is education of the people.
Santi said on June 19, 2004 19:28:
Well, let’s say Colonialism is the “event” that killed Africa. Not only their people, but also their prospects of any future.
kachina008 said on June 19, 2004 19:49:
well colonialism didn’t really contribute to India and Asia either, did it.
That’s an interesting topic, Santi.
Santi said on June 19, 2004 22:46:
Well, surely. But the situation is not that good in those countries either. And if you would like to take the Asian example, I would ask you... Which is the richest Asian country? Certainly it is Japan, which was never under European rule. I do not want to say it has not suffered colonialism because they are still under the thumb of the USA, but Japan is always a completely different thing.
Now, between Africa and Asia there are many big cultural differences, and I do not want to get too into deep in the matter because I am not an expert in the geography of these countries (though I am a graduate geographer). I think I read in another thread you are studying a PhD in Biology nowadays, so you can understand this example much better than me probably. If you take different organisms (that would represent the different territories -countries are an European invention to weaken their prey) with their different metabolisms and physical constitution and strength (which would represent their cultural background) and apply to them a similar poison (which represents colonialism), you certainly get to kill some and hurt bad some other and some even could not care less about the poison. Well, the same happened with colonialism, is not like that?
By the way, I think your from The Netherlands, Are you studying at the UvA? I’ll be studying a MSc in Biology there next year :)
purplemedusa said on June 20, 2004 07:37:
Hey Santi... I’m impressed with you’re posts! they’re very well informed... but I’ve got to disagree with your statement that African people should be educated... that is not the reason why Africa is in the state it is in, but rather that it’s been caught in the icy crip of capatalism. Most of the African resorces doesn’t belong to African nations/institutions but rather to European/US counterparts. There’s an elite in Afrca that benifit from these coolitions with international institutions but that’s as far as it goes! Africa has been removed from her resorces in order to sustain herself & her people -> her pride has been taken away in order to serve the “stronger nations”. These little humanitarion projects of donating money to the poor in Africa doesn’t do jack for any African country/or ppl but eventually get’s pumped back into these very International institutions. It’s thus a circular expliotation of Africa & her ppl. A radical mindset is needed towards Africa and I don’t we will see it in our lifetime... why would any lucrative Business (of international origin) give up there ties in Africa for the good of her ppl? That would just be self-inflicted harm!
kachina008 said on June 20, 2004 07:38:
Santi: Altho japan was never formally colonized, it did suffer some attention (!!) from the Brits/americans (same thing?) before they were unceremonoiusly dumped out of the country. and of course after WWII, the US came in and tried to change japanese society. My japanese colleague told me (after watching “the last samurai”!!) that the americans tried to do away with the samurai way althogether, because they wanted a “classless” society.
The big question is indeed, how did Europe conquer these sophisticated cultures, these cultures that were studying the stars when europeans were still in bearskins. I could not believe that the Indians let the Brits in so easily, when it was such a great civilization. I think the answer to that is the invention of guns and gun powder. Guns easily came over old methods of war, like bows and arrows etc.
the question you asked about different civilizations and same poison...well, that is not really my field, I s’pose that is social biology, but I can tell you that some species do show resistance at the cellular level to some poisons. Not sure if it translates into humans tho! :)
Hey another aspiring biologist! thats really cool. ;)
Santi said on June 20, 2004 09:34:
Yes, you are right Purplemedusa, I did not mean to say it was only a matter of education, though I did say it :D The problem is much more complicated, what I said was simplifying it a lot.
Actually what you say is what I reply whenever some Spaniard tells me something like “you can’t let all those Africans illegaly in Europe!!”. I use to say that well, they go the same way the riches of their territory went when Europe stole all the goods from there.
And now Africa is like a farm ruled by Europe & America’s corporations. We get our chocolate, coffee, timber, oil, meat... from Africa and in reward Africans get... euh... well, we let them be alive and serve us, is not that good enough??? :) :(
But I still think education, together with some less corrupt governments out there, and awareness from the developed countries could do something. For which I don’t think what Bono does is that bad. The world has to know what happens, people has to realize that when they drink a coffee there are a lot of bad paid people working for that and when you buy a shirt at H&M a mother can barely see her children in Philippines because she has to be working all day long just to pay the rent. That’s what Europe & America give in reward, misery.
Santi said on June 20, 2004 09:45:
Yes, I think it’s guns. No one wants to be ruled and stolen, so they had to do it using weapons.
Well, about the “poison/colonialism” thingie, I’d like to say that the “poison” was not always the same. I mean, different european countries had different territories there in Africa. But were you can better see there were differences in colonialism is actually in America.
You have a very different situation between North America and Latin America due to the fact that anglosaxon cultures conquered the first and Iberian Europeans the second. And while the anglosaxon point of view was that “the land is ours (given by god to us), so let’s kill the demons around (the indians) and bring African slaves to do the hard work we as rulers of the worlod should not do”, the iberians thought it could be better to use the indians as slaves while trying to convert them into catholics, and bring africans too to work for us in the sugar plantations. And as the iberians are so hotblooded and sunlight makes everyone crazy you can see Cuban families nowadays in which the grandpa is black, the grandson blonde and the mother Indian...
Anyway, what I mean, not all the countries were suffering the say kind of rule and then, the “poisons” were also different in strength...
LittleSpooky said on June 21, 2004 02:12:
Japan owns the US... not the other way ’round. Ever see a GOOD American product lately? I don’t think so. It’s Sanyo, Toshiba, Toyota....
RoxHard said on June 21, 2004 02:34:
Nighty night... I’m off to listen to my “U2 - Best Of 1980-1990” CD!
Ta ta...
kachina008 said on June 21, 2004 07:05:
spooks: “american” products arent “good”, i think coz they are made else where. I have loved everything I have had that was MADE IN AMERICA.
just a thought ;)
Shane said on June 21, 2004 14:41:
Off Topic - I took in the Shania concert. Her opening act was a country band and they did a cover of, “Where the Streets Have No Name” It almost made me cry. I am not a country music fan, so maybe I do not understand the country version of that song, but it just did not seem right.
RoxHard said on June 21, 2004 15:34:
@ Carbon_Boy: Yes, Roxette have made 2, but are they all really ’classic’ singles?
A Thing About You
Queen Of Rain
Crash! Boom! Bang!
Vulnerable
You Don’t Understand Me
Anyone
Salvation
Breathe
Opportunity Nox
Church Of Your Heart
Run To You
June Afternoon
Real Sugar
Little Miss Sorrow
... don’t get me wrong, I like the majority of these songs. But I’d never call a song like Anyone or Salvation ’classic singles’ - I’d call them ’brilliant album tracks’. The chart positions for those 2 songs imparticular were a letdown, so I prefer to think of them in the context of album tracks.
But U2? The majority of the singles of their Best Of albums (there are 2: 1980-1990 & 1990-2000), are ’classic singles’.
Santi said on June 22, 2004 04:57:
@Littlespooky: The best guitar I can think of, is a Rickenbacker and it is “Made in the USA”. Nearly all asian made guitars are crap, while the ones made in the USA are the best quality.
carbon_boy said on June 22, 2004 13:01:
@ Santi: Yey!!! Another Rickenbacker fan!! Love ’em love ’em love ’em!!! Love a Gretsch and Gibson as well...
@ RoxHard: Depends on who you ask concerning what Rox Classics are. If you ask a fan, you’ll get the same answer you gave. You ask a guy on the street and they’ll agree that those songs are RoxClassics. And for U2? Well, lets just say, they can all suck on my bono... ;oP
Cheers
RoxHard said on June 22, 2004 23:03:
“If you ask a fan, you’ll get the same answer you gave. You ask a guy on the street and they’ll agree that those songs are RoxClassics”
Carbon boy: In all fairness, I don’t think there are many people ’on the streets’ (non-rox fans) in the UK who’ll even remember a song like Listen To Your Heart or Wish I Could Fly. Those songs are firm favourites here but, (i) I haven’t heard LTYH here on UK radio for about 5 years and (ii) WICF (despite it being their biggest hit in the UK since Almost Unreal), it still was a minor hit (top 20 for 1 week).
Whereas a lot of people here would be able to sing U2’s Beautiful Day (released 2000).
LittleSpooky said on June 23, 2004 03:35:
Kachina: *chuckles* mmmm.... how about a 1972 Oldsmobile Cutlass (before Japan and Mexico got involved) ;o)
Santi: Sorry... should have been more specific. Anymore, cars, clothes, computers, etc... those are made in OTHER countries such as Japan, Mexico, Taiwan, etc.
carbon_boy said on June 23, 2004 06:47:
@ RoxHard: Ahem... we’re not talking about the UK now are we? If it comes down to charts in the UK i stay far away - they mean absolutely buggerall anyways. The UK has the most twisted idea of what good music is. Only there would the Tellytubbies get a UK #1.
RoxHard said on June 23, 2004 15:36:
@ Carbon Boy: Ahem...
Everyone knows the US music industry is messing up everyone elses! And, the Teletubbies - we have 5 year olds too!
I mean, kids liked the Teletubbies, and the older folk could laugh at it. But what could you laugh at when viewing another rubbish Jessica Simpson or N Sync video? Well, apart from the crapness!
RoxHard said on June 23, 2004 15:37:
And, you’re one to talk! How many people from the Africa know Queen Of Rain or A Thing About You?! At least we get their albums here!!
RoxHard said on June 23, 2004 15:40:
“ask a guy on the street (a person who probably hasn’t heard of Roxette in about 10 years!!), and they’ll think that all those songs are RoxClassics”.
Is it just me who thinks that makes no sense?!
Someone has a high opinion of Roxette - thinking that EVERYONE in the world thinks “all Roxette singles are ’Classics’”!
carbon_boy said on June 25, 2004 06:06:
”@ Carbon Boy: Ahem... someone from the US, slagging the music of the US? That must be sarcastic or something!”
@ RoxHard: LOL! First of all, i guess that 2nd US was suppose to read “UK”? Secondly, get your facts straight - Im NOT from the US. Sorry love. Thirdly, I wonder what your excuse for people making the Spice Girls singles #1 would be.
If you think Bon(er)o and U2 are so f*king fabulous, why dont you go and bother their fans on all their forums?
Later...
purplemedusa said on June 25, 2004 07:00:
Roxhard - carbon_boy & coyboyusa are two different ppl (but u gotta love both with their far-out ideas!!)
Carbon -> I guess the very same reason why I still have a Spice Girls single hidden somewhere in my CD collection :)
coyboyusa said on June 26, 2004 12:47:
there are alot of good country bands around, some of them have done great covers of pop tunes :) i was amazed to see how much celine dion netted last week for her 5 concerts at caesars, # MILLION dollars, thats just obscene!
DaminehGessle said on June 26, 2004 16:38:
People who do good for the people in need never brag about it or talk so publicly about it. Bob Geldofs, Dave Stewarts, Brian Mays, Dave Gilmours, etc. You want to help, fine. You want to raise awareness, fine. But stop stealing other people’s thunder. Bono totally turned me off after 46664 when every newspaper and news agency that mentioned the event named BOno and Beyonce first as if they were the force behind this. He is such a show-off. Good for the man that helps and I respect him for that. Many celebrities don’t. But stop talking about it so much. He is very much out there. I hate that.
RoxHard said on June 28, 2004 00:20:
@ Carbon Boy - what right have you got to tell me to bugger off? If the moderators want me to go - that’s fine. But YOU? You have no right dear!
RoxHard said on June 29, 2004 13:52:
And also Carbon - Coyboyusa was the one who brought up this whole Bono thing, not me!!
Euro4Ever said on June 29, 2004 22:56:
LOL they released so many albums, and out of all that you could probably make only 1 decent Greatest hits. That’s sad. Not to mention all their songs sound the same.
Let’s face it they’re tone-deaf when it comes to melodies and they sound dry. Their “Joshua tree” album is way overrated, having only 3 or 4 good songs. An 80 year old grandma would find them to be Boring.
And how annoing is it to listen to Bono’s whining on all the songs.
And those Sad attempts to sound “techno”. Come on, they’re not Depeche mode, and Never will be. That’s just Sad.
RoxHard said on June 18, 2004 21:17:
I was talking about Coyboy, not Bono.
Listen, I’m a huge U2 fan. And if you wanna talk all of this crap then fine. But, remember, that that story was (and still remains) just a rumour. And it happened before Bono gained a conscience about the third world.
And what have you done lately to help the third world?! Bono is trying his damn best to rid the 3rd world of this huge debt that countries like UK, US, France, Germany and Japan are holding against the. If it weren’t for this debt, Africa would be fine. He’s doing a lot more than YOU will ever do! Lay off the man!!
If you’re so conscious about the third world - why not give money to charity? I do. And if YOU do already, why not give more? I give £25 a week.