Per thanks to Marie on DVD. Why?
Max-Tob said on January 9, 2004 12:33:
Did you notice that in “Produktion” of his dvd Per is also mention “marie och micke bolyos”? What for? As a sign of courtesy? Maybe. Anyway, if you look at M and P solo stuff, you can see that Per is thanking Marie more often than she does. She thanked him on “Het Vind” (I think) and...that was all as far as I remember. I don’t know why, but I was expected Marie to thank Per at least on her “Den standiga...”. But what do I know?
Anyway, Per mentioned Marie on all his solo albums. He-he, one of the more obvious reason is that Marie also sings on Per’s solo stuff, but not vice versa, so, he has to say “thank you”. But anyway this is another topic which doesn’t explain Marie and her husband appearence on Per’s dvd “Produktion” area...What do you think? Is it a sign of respect (which I really appreciate) or what?
ally77 said on January 9, 2004 14:19:
WHO HOO... perhaps he thanked her as a friend... jeez is this not allowed!
Max-Tob said on January 9, 2004 15:41:
You’re so hypocrites!!! Of course is not the most important topic one could raise, but still, Per might have a reason to put Marie’s name on “Produktion”. I thought you probably know something. Maybe it was a collaboration I didn’t know about and you could bring some answers!!! There are some threads here far more stupid than this one even if - I have to admit - this is not really interesting. I don’t know why one could prefer to ask what is the direction of Per’s eyes and what is he doing with his hands and - at least reasonable if not really interesting - question like “is there any explanation for thanking to Bolyos family on Mazarin dvd” ends by being labeled like as shit or something??!! I don’t understand it, believe me even if I am probably under some drugs right now (I am joking of course, and I hope you did the same when asking)
Kiwein1 said on January 9, 2004 16:17:
Marie doesn’t thank Per very often on her albums. Why should she? He doesn’t sing with her and doesn’t produce her albums or whatever..
The question is: WHY doesn’t she invite him to sing with her and why does he always think of her when he does a new album?
Denstandigaresan said on January 9, 2004 16:34:
Na, it’s not that... thought this would be interesting. The others are so obviously not interesting.
Sascha said on January 9, 2004 17:00:
About the Per feat. Marie/Marie feat. Per difference: it’s just because...
Marie goes solo to do something contrary to Roxette. So she doesn’t invite Per or other rox-musicians.
Per goes solo to fill the natural gaps between Roxette projects. So he works with Marie, Clarence & co.
Simple! ;-)
Kiwein1 said on January 9, 2004 17:05:
I don’t think that he just wants to fill the gap - ok, he IS Mr. Roxette - but why doesn’t he want to do something completely different and exclude Marie..just a question..nice discussion BTW..
cskendras said on January 9, 2004 17:12:
I think that Per is a gentleman and why not thanking Marie for singing the backing vocals on Pa Promenad Genom Stan on Mazarin? For me that song is a production of both, Per and Marie. Both are involved in that song. so that might be a reason. but anyway: why not thanking a person, whom Per went with nearly 2 decades through the whole world..?
Kiwein1 said on January 9, 2004 17:17:
“but anyway: why not thanking a person, whom Per went with nearly 2 decades through the whole world..?”
That’s what keeps me wondering about Marie and not thanking Per for the same things..
StillFar said on January 9, 2004 17:29:
I never understood why Per would ask Marie to sing on his Solo album... Roxette is a big part of their career and if one of them decides to go solo wouldn’t you want to do it all by yourself or if you really need someone else on the album (which I guess is the case with Per, considering that he’s not the most amazing singer) wouldn’t you want to work with artist you usually don’t get the chance to work with...
Why does he work with Marie on his solo album?
Jud (moderator) said on January 9, 2004 17:30:
“I think that Per is a gentleman” so Marie is unpolite? :P
Well, they must have _their_ reasons, and who cares bout that. Anyway, Marie has sung in almost all Per releases, so a thank you applies... ;)
Max-Tob said on January 9, 2004 18:05:
I totally agree with Sascha. Totally agree. It makes sense. Which doesn’t mean - for sure - that this is the real judgement.
And I tend to take seriously MR. Gessle’s statement: “Because she’s the best” (when asked why Marie on his “Pa promenad...”) I think he likes her a lot as a singer and when he need a feminine voice he always thinks about her.
Jud (moderator) said on January 9, 2004 18:46:
”..he also could have let Helena sing PPGS..” no thank you! :S
Kiwein1 said on January 9, 2004 18:55:
@Judith: I agree - I just wanted to say that there are ENOUGH female singers besides Marie.. :-)
Kiwein1 said on January 9, 2004 18:56:
“why not? why does he always have to hide behind Marie?”
Because she sings much better than he does, maybe! :-P
roxtexanet said on January 9, 2004 18:58:
@Kiwein: Sure he could have asked Helena, but would you buy a Honda if you could afford a Ferrari? (-;
Jud (moderator) said on January 9, 2004 19:00:
helena did enough damage to Segla på en moln... (flame me! :P)
Kiwein1 said on January 9, 2004 19:01:
Ferrari, of course! I am for sure with you on that, I just wanted to find some answers to StillFar’s question: “Why does he work with Marie on his solo album?” :D
Kiwein1 said on January 9, 2004 19:03:
“helena did enough damage to Segla på en moln... (flame me! :P)”
..not to forget: Tända en sticka till, Inte tillsammans and Flickan I en Cole-Porter-Sång..(did anyone ever listen to the Halmstad-recording of FIECPS?? It is TERRIBLE! You nearly only hear Helena..what happened to Per? :-P)
*edit*
Don’t get me wrong - I think she is a great singer, but she shouldn’t sing songs that were made for Marie’s voice. :-)
So, we’re not where we have started, are we? *g*
Jud (moderator) said on January 9, 2004 19:05:
kiwein: right!!!
Edit: I also think that her voice doesn’t fit Per’s songs at all...
StillFar said on January 9, 2004 19:11:
now I understand that people like when Per and Marie work together, but come on, when Annie Lennox is releasing a solo album, would she do a duet with Dave Steward?
He could have worked with Eva or Frida for a change (maybe their both not us good as Marie, but it would have been DIFFERENT).
roxtexanet said on January 9, 2004 19:13:
@Kiwein: Yeah, I’m just teasing you... I think you’re right, of all the singers that would love to be featured on one of Per’s albums, he chooses Marie over and over again. I applaud his great taste (-: (-: (-:
Do you guys really think Helena was THAT bad? I didn’t think her voice was anything special, but I hadn’t thought of her as being especially bad... maybe I need to listen to those recordings a little more closely... when my DVD arrives...
Jud (moderator) said on January 9, 2004 19:17:
do so do so, but watch out with your poor ears ;)
About other singers: yeah it would be nice to hear Per duetting with others, doesn’t have to be female... :)
Kiwein1 said on January 9, 2004 19:17:
No, she is definitely NOT bad IMHO. I like “Mazarin” very much and enjoy her voice, if I can say so. I just think that she shouldn’t have sung the songs that were supposed to be with Marie’s voice! Otherwise, Segla, Tända, Inte tillsammans...would have been boring without ANY female voice during Gessle’s tour!
StillFar said on January 9, 2004 19:17:
if you could order from a menu, would you choose the same thing every day?
roxtexanet said on January 9, 2004 19:19:
I think Per *has* to ask Marie to feature on his solo albums... it’s tradition, she’s featured on every one of them (even the “Demos” CD)! That’s a tradition I’d like to see him keep up (-:
Per has duetted with others in the past... remember Anne Lie Ryde’s performance on “When Love’s On The Phone?”... maybe he learned his lesson from that... (-: Her voice is like nails on a chalkboard, I can’t stand it at all...
Jud (moderator) said on January 9, 2004 19:25:
LOL
Well the song with Niklas Strömstedt is good too, but well, I *love* Niklas voice and work so ;)
StillFar said on January 9, 2004 19:25:
come on, Marie is not the only singer who can hit keys ;)
@Jude: if you listen the the live recordings from Mazarin...I’m sorry, but poor Helena is not the only one hitting the wrong notes
Jud (moderator) said on January 9, 2004 19:27:
StillFar: I know :S
Hej, I don’t have anything against her, but I think she just didn’t fit and her voice is too high in moments and well, my ears hate that...
roxtexanet said on January 9, 2004 19:29:
@StillFar: Actually, I tend to do just that... (-;
@Kiwein: Sorry, I’m too slow to respond, I keep missing your replies... I agree, Helena’s better than no-one at all, I think we just get used to hearing Marie’s voice in the songs and nobody can really replace her... Imagine Per singing “A Thing About You” with another female vocalist... yikes! I’m glad he didn’t attempt any live performances of that song without Marie during the promo for “TBH.”
@Judith: If you think Helena screwed up “Segla Pa Ett Moln,” you should hear Anne Lie Ryde’s version... pure torture! It’s on one of those stupid TeamToppen tapes they put out in Sweden in the eighties, where a bunch of her songs are paired with a bunch of Marie’s. How cruel to her, pairing her with MARIE FREDRIKSSON! Even if she had a good voice, it would pale against Marie’s!!
@Judith: P.S. Have you heard the Indigo Girls’ new single, “Perfect World”? http://kink.fm/news_more.php?id=310_0_2_0_M
Kiwein1 said on January 9, 2004 19:47:
Yeah, and I think that the first five postings in this topic are more than sad, since this topic has a lot of directions. It’s a pity that it seems to be not possible to share your thoughts and opinions with other people without getting flamed or asked if you are on drugs..
Jud (moderator) said on January 9, 2004 19:48:
@ roxtexanet: ah yeah nothing can be compared to Ryde yuk
@roxtexanet PS: :O:O:O:O they keep amazing me!! I just love it when a song makes me shiver!!! THANKS! I can’t wait for more by Melissa either, Feb 04 :D (great bday present!! :))
roxtexanet said on January 9, 2004 20:33:
@Kiwein: Agreed. I didn’t see anything wrong with the question at all, and in my opinion, responses like “Are you on drugs?” are pointless and inappropriate. How difficult is it NOT to reply to a topic you think is stupid? I manage to do it every day, it’s not that hard with a little practice...
@Judith: My pleasure! It’s brilliant, isn’t it? I think Roxette fans would appreciate some of the Indigo Girls’ harmonies, like in the second verse of this song. Album’s out Feb. 27th in North America at least...
Jud (moderator) said on January 9, 2004 20:58:
sorry for the off-topic here: WHAT A MUSICAL GREAT 2004!!!!
- Melissa’s new album Lucky is out 10th Feb
- Indigo Girls 17 Feb
- GT album + tour
–from here on without any specific order–
- Europe album + tour
- MF album
- Eva/Buddaboys live or album or both, incl. a possible show in Wien ;)
more i must have forgotten now.. i *know* there was more :P
Anyway, flaming should be left aside, when will ppl learn?? Thanks :)
roxtexanet said on January 9, 2004 21:15:
@Jud: Oops, I mean, Feb. 17th (one week after Melissa’s album)! Yeah, this is going to be a great year for music! Sarah Bettens’ (K’s Choice) solo album should be out this year, too... can’t wait!
ATLTK said on January 9, 2004 22:45:
can anyvone post these song flickan halmstad live segla annerlie rydé version so i can hear them? in windows medoia format
ATLTK said on January 9, 2004 23:03:
@kiewien I was at that show and I know its on roxbytes. but i dont have real player on this computer i.ll get a new computer next week so its not an idea to install it
I want to play it in vindows media file
besides why did helena sang on flickan i en ......? its a GT song without female voices
Kiwein1 said on January 9, 2004 23:06:
http://users.atw.hu/r/o/roxbytes/download/audio/live/sommar%20mazarin%20...
It’s NOT Real player..or did I go blind?
LoneGunman said on January 10, 2004 04:34:
Hej
I’m late, but anyway... I think Helena sings very very very well, plus I believe her voice fits to Per’s and she made a great great great work on “Mazarin”. Hope she will be back on the next Roxette album.
Marie of course is better, but I liked to listen to Per’s songs with a different girl singing. Maybe because I was a bit tired of Marie+Per combination.
All the best
LoneGunman
Majdy said on January 10, 2004 07:49:
the reason Per works with Marie on his solo album so he can have MORE money :)
because not only Per’s fan will buy that. Roxette and Marie fan will do that too :D
am I right, Mr G?
Max-Tob said on January 10, 2004 10:48:
I think Helena is ok. She’s quite a strange/interesting presence on Mazarin stage! Her voice...I don’t know...it’s very straight...I don’t like either Segla pa... with her and I just don’t know what is the reason for which Per choose to sing in his Mazarin shows songs that are usually sung with Marie...But I’m sure he has a reason...
@Kewein (?): Thanx for appreciating my thread. I know is just a thread among the others, but why not being here as long as I am not on drugs?? Thanx again.
I suppose there is a tradition behind Marie singing on Per’s solo albums. It also shows the connection between them that goes - in a way - even further than Roxette international project. They sing together because they are not just co-workers at an international music project... And regarding Marie’s solo albums...I don’t really know...They are very non-Roxette stuff...they aren’t made for Per, I might say. I rember that Per said in the last chat (I think) that Marie’s album is all about “her and her Micke”... So...I don’t see how Per could feet in the picture... There’s a completely non-Per style there...Maybe he would like Marie to ask him for a collaboration, but we all know she’ll never do it.
Echoes_of_a_Doubt said on January 16, 2004 17:46:
When Per makes a record, Roxette or solo, its always Gessle Music. When Marie goes Solo, it is all her own stuff, and she doesn’t include Per in it, so what? Maybe she just wants to see, that she can be successfull without him too...
Who cares? How boring would it be, if all they ever do, would be together...
Sparvogamarie said on January 17, 2004 01:47:
Someone already said this, but I think when Marie makes solo albums she is “escaping” from Roxette and making completely different music, but Per doesn’t feel the need to do that and like someone said before he is always making “Gessle music” whether it’s Rox, solo or GT. So Per naturally asks Marie to sing on his albums, while Marie prefers to keep her solo work separate from Rox. Also for this album it was a special occassion since it was the first time she sang since the cancer.
As for the thankyous...well it’s obvious he will thank her if she directly contributed to his album. I don’t know why Marie doesn’t thank him on her albums, it’s something only she can answer.
maiken said on January 17, 2004 05:55:
I’ve always wondered, why wasn’t Per at Marie’s wedding?
You’ve probably had this discussion before, but I’m not fully updated on this matter. :o)
Max-Tob said on January 17, 2004 08:09:
I think that a few months ago there was a very long discussion here about Per not invited at Marie’s wedding...There were some pretty interesting posts there, even though no one knows for sure what happened...You should look for that topic.
erweetiran said on January 17, 2004 09:10:
This is what I think:
1. Per doesn’t use Marie to make more money, she is on backing vocals, which is not very clear.
2. I think it is out of respect that he ask her to feature on one of his songs on his solo album.
3. They are friends and if I had a friend I would feel insulted if I was not asked to have even a small part of her own project.
4. I am sure that Marie have learned a WHOLE lot from Per and vica versa so I think they should BOTH thank each other on their albums because they both helped each other to get to the level where they are.
5. I cant see a reason why Marie could not ask Per to feature on her solo stuff and “Wanting to do her own thing” is a lame excuse, they are good friends and out of respect of the other they should have at least a small part in the making of the album, like Per does.
I think Marie feels that she has to proove to everyone that she can do it without Per and that Per is not the reason for her success, and that is plain jelousy(if that was the case).
You go Per!
Jud (moderator) said on January 17, 2004 09:21:
:S so now she is not only rude, but also jealous!
Look, they are 2 different persons and they both see things different and we are nobody to judge if she does this she is that or if he does that he is this. If Per feels Marie has to be all over and he has to thank her, good for him, if Marie doesn’t, good for her as well.
THEY know their reasons and they are fine with it (else their friendship + relationship would be over long ago) and that is the most important.
Max-Tob said on January 17, 2004 14:37:
@erweetiran: I think you may have right. Well, at least from time to time, one has to consider your arguments as well
Sparvogamarie said on January 18, 2004 02:06:
Marie is a 46 year old grown woman, I do NOT think she is so small and petty that she gets jealous of Per’s success....she had her own success before Roxette ever came along and she has always done well by herself. She has said her solo music is like a break from Roxette, she wants to do something different from time to time and it’s nothing against Per....if she had a problem with Per then they would not be together anymore! I don’t see why either of them should be insulted if the other one does a solo project, Per and Marie don’t OWN each other!
aroxa said on January 18, 2004 08:01:
I don’t read all messages, but answer the first.... You know...thanks god not all the people is similar.
Marie had a different personality then per.
Think about this
Max-Tob said on January 18, 2004 09:11:
I really don’t want to say anything bad about Marie. She is the best singer in the world, and I think she knows it very well and, indeed, objectively speaking, she doesn’t need any Per around to make her sound better. Having said that, we established already that there are no objective reasons to believe that Marie, as an artist, would suffer any damages from stopping singing with Per. I’d like to believe that she would have been discovered anyway - sooner or later, with or without Roxette - a deserved interantional success. But this is not the point here. I suppose none of us doubt about P and M qualities as performers/singers/composers. We tried to judge things on a human level... There are many kinds of jelousy...Only one kind is chilidish...People of all types and of all ages are getting jelous from time to time...Or full of anger, or ready to react fulishly or unrationally and so one. Once again - I’m not saying that some of those mentioned above are applied to Marie. Not at all. BUT (it could be a BUT here) my feeling is that Roxette isn’t exactly what Marie really wanted...(I suppose I get you all mad with me now...)She doesn’t even have a complete Roxette collection at home (Per said that once). And yes, her solo albums are intended to be - more or less - some kind of “escapism” from Roxette/Per’s style. And Per knows that very well. I think this is what he was always trying to suggest by saying that the very reason for Roxette’s long life is that they allowed a certain space to breath for each other, materialized in their solo stuff. All in all, he knows that without those solo projects of Marie, she wouldn’t be able to come back over and over again to “Roxette international affaire”. She needs to do her thing, so that she can go further with a project that - of course - she didn’t dislike, but which is not exactly what she wants for herself. Things go different for Per. And I think here could be the reason for which he continues to ask Marie to sing on his solo albums: he doesn’t feel the need to completely change the scenary because he was always the main composer and a kind of (illegitimate) Rox-leader (because he is the one who knows how a song should sound and he knows exactly what kind of interpretation wants from Marie for a certain song; so, this is why he probably takes most of the decisions in the creative area).
So, Marie ignoring Per on her solo stuff and not mentioning him on different occasions when Per usually does it, may be a certain kind of showing who is the “real she”. It’s some kind of “This is me, this is how I actually see myself and that’s a totally different thing from Roxette”. I’m sure there were a lot of feelings of anger (and a little bit of revenge as well) in her “Den standiga...” when she got tired of Roxette. No one can blame her. I don’t. She is less Roxette than Per. Even him needs a more emotional and intimate artistic experience from time to time (see Mazarin results), not to mention Marie who doesn’t compose for Roxette...
She once said that she misses the old friendship with Per, before all Roxette projects got started. I understand her. Their frienship became something else in the mean time, even though there’s much respect and even a certain kind of love between them. But think about something: Per is stubborn and illiberal, he always knows what he wants and, yes, sometimes he can be too “bossy” (as someone said here about his beloved wife). And now think about Marie’s flexibility (that Per appreciates because he can work easier with her) and disponibility and her talent and so one - things that Per can “exploit” (in a good sense of the word). These things create a certain kind of relationship between them that brings Per in the (illegitimate - I said) leader’s position. Marie doesn’t want that all the time. She prefers working with her husband (even if she always said that it is not recommended working with the one you love) and probably she rules everything and makes her own decision as she likes. One can’t do that with Per. We know how he is (well, more or less).
In the end, I want to repeat that jelousy and anger and other irrational feelings are not only for children (on the contrary - they grow bigger only when people get older); and that one might find reasons for P and M thanking - not thanking to each other - at the human scale, and not at the strictly professional relationship which is only a prolongation of the human interaction.
Oh, and one more thing: we deal with a WOMAN and a MAN. We can’t pretend that this is not a reason for certain features of their relationship. They need to draw certain lines. Which is a very delicate operation (lot of stress and tension involved).
I’m truely sorry for posting such a long comment. I hope I didn’t do something wrong.
Cheers.
Max.
erweetiran said on January 19, 2004 08:41:
I still think that Marie can involve Per with at least one of her songs and still keep it “REAL”
By excluding Per on purpose she is making it soooo obvious that is is trying to prove something that she doesn’t even need to prove to start of with.
The jelousy part I mentioned in a previous post above...I never said she was jelous I said IF THAT WAS THE CASE she was jelous.
Jud (moderator) said on January 19, 2004 08:56:
“I still think that Marie can involve Per with at least one of her songs and still keep it “REAL”
By excluding Per on purpose she is making it soooo obvious that is is trying to prove something that she doesn’t even need to prove to start of with.”
And? IF she feels like this, it is up to her, isn’t it? As I said, they have their reasons and that’s the way it is. There were others who influenced a LOT in Marie’s career and she hasn’t asked them to sing with her either, she even forgets to mention them in the DVD (ehem :P)) And who knows what will happen with this new album ;)
Sparvogamarie said on January 20, 2004 08:18:
I think you’re on the wrong track Erwee, Marie isn’t trying to *prove* anything and I doubt she is deliberately not asking Per just to be petty...why should she have to ask Per to sing just because she works with him in Roxette? Should Robbie Williams ask all the Take That boys to sing on his next album? Should Eva Dahlgren ask Efva Attling to sing with her every time??? (that was for you Jud!!) So she wants to make an album completely separate from Roxette (as has been said earlier, her solo music is different from Rox - not really Per’s style)...and for all we know, perhaps she has asked Per and HE said no!
....Marie *did* ask him to join her on the Äntligen solo tour in Halmstad, and they sang two of HIS songs, so she’s not too jealous or petty to work with Per in her own time. From what I understand they both support each other with their own projects.
Jud (moderator) said on January 20, 2004 08:52:
Should Eva Dahlgren ask Efva Attling to sing with her every time??? (that was for you Jud!!)
>> haha and *I* didn’t say that :P
Thinking of Marie’s songs.. can’t find any where Per would fit anyway...
Max-Tob said on January 20, 2004 08:58:
@Sparvoga: still, your Take That- R. Williams analogy with Roxette-Marie is not standing. Whatever you’d say, whichever would be Marie’s reasons to avoid Per on her solo stuff, the fact is obvious, so, we can do nothing but state it. Daring to find/to imagine/.../.../ the motivations behind this fact it’s up to each of us. But the fact remains with or without palliating circumstances for Marie.
And BTW: 1. “they always support each other’s work” it’s already a 20 year old cliché in Rox world. Marie and Per used to vehiculate it from time to time. Until “Den Standiga...” appeared. Then we don’t know anymore.
2. Did anyone here considere Micke (as a producer/husband) not really wanting Per to sing on Marie’s albums? (don’t flame for indirectly making Micke appear childish and jelous, because it’s not about jelousy here...But wanting - for a million reasons - not to interfere with “people” from the “other” Marie-World...Maybe to him, an album signed by Bolyos family with Per singing in it looks like bluring the Bolyos-label. And besides, none of Marie’s songs are made for another voice than herown. Tell me just one Marie-song that could be sung in duet with Per. Just one.
3. Singing with Per in her Halmstad show is totally different than including him on an album. Everyone has - at a certain moment - some guests in one’s show...For Halmstad, no one’d be more suitable than Gessle. Not to mention the impact among fans.
Jud (moderator) said on January 20, 2004 09:02:
jeez!! I was waiting for the moment that sb would involve Micke in all this and make him the one “to blame on”
So as a kind of summary: we have a rude and feeling jealous Marie and a really possesive husband that wants Marie just for himself ;)
Max-Tob said on January 20, 2004 09:07:
Don’t over react. You know I didn’t say that. You only speculated the idea to make it sound ridiculous. But I’m sure you don’t believe I said that.
Jud (moderator) said on January 20, 2004 09:10:
note the ;)
Anyway, I can’t think of any Marie song where Per could sing... I mean she asked Patrik to sing Det som var nu, just to imagine it with another male (=Per) but really.. can’t see Per singing in it. AND why should she ask him anyway?? I don’t see any reason for her having to ask him to sing! If she had to ask all her friends.. I think we would have a double “Marie and her friends duets” album...
Max-Tob said on January 20, 2004 09:15:
...maybe “Min Trognaste Vän” chorus would fit for Per and Marie singing together. Can you hear it?
Kiwein1 said on January 20, 2004 09:47:
So as a kind of summary: we have a rude and feeling jealous Marie and a really possesive husband that wants Marie just for himself ;)
———————-
That seems to be it! ;-) We finally found the answer to the question! Hehe!
To be serious: I agree with all postings that Judith did, nothing to add, thanks! :-)
erweetiran said on January 20, 2004 10:31:
So what everybody here that is defending Marie is saying:
“The fact that I have a 20 year relationship with per, means NOTHING to me and that 2 seconds it will take to thank a lifelong friend will be to much”
Whatever you guys say...A friend is still a friend and looking back on their history and the LONG time together I think it is just plain disrepectfull to even say “Thanks Per”
I would be INSULTED if my friend would have not have included me even somewhere in the credits because that time we spent together (20 YEARS!!!!) did that mean nothing? Again a “Thanx Per” does not take up any of her time.
You are all in denial, the are people to and the make mistakes to you know so please to idolising them like the are gods.
Kiwein1 said on January 20, 2004 10:51:
They are old enough to decide where and how to thank their friends - it doesn’t have to be a new album, does it?
And Per doesn’t feel insulted for sure!
Sparvogamarie said on January 20, 2004 10:55:
Is this turning into a flame war? Yeeeehhaaah!
The only person who can really have a problem with any of this is Mr Per Gessle. If he’s angry at Marie, HE can tell her “Hey why don’t you want me on your albums!” Who are WE to judge their relationship? I don’t see why the fans need to get upset over it, anyway this is only turning into a Marie fans VS Per fans argument so it’s going nowhere. Nobody is going to listen and the Per fans will only say crap like “Joining the concert in Halmstad is completely different from singing on an album” - there’s no difference, they are still working together.
I really can’t understand why you people are trying to turn her into some sort of power hungry woman and say all these nasty things about her. Not to be over dramatic, but after everything she’s been through the last year it just seems so meaningless to argue over why Per has never joined her solo work and try to say there’s some sinister reason for it other than she just wants to do something separate from Roxette. I seriously DON’T think she does it to hurt/spite/prove herself to Per.
PS. I don’t idolise Marie like a god, I’ve met her many times and she’s not always an angel. She has her bad sides and Per does too. But why do you have to tear her down?? It’s pointless. If you hate her so much stick to Per’s solo music and GT.
Sparvogamarie said on January 20, 2004 11:00:
OH yeah...Per IS thanked on the Äntligen CD...her most recent album.
Max-Tob said on January 20, 2004 11:19:
Why can’t you react without using words like “Per fans”, “Marie fans”, “jelous”, “against”, “VS”?
P and M are not “mature enough” to know what to do, NO ONE is mature enough to know all the time what to do. They can make mistakes as everybody else and lower feelings and higher feelings can be found in all of us. As I sais above, Marie not considering Per on her solo albums (not even saying “thanx”) IS A FACT, regardless of motivations she had (which can be very reasonable, because no one knows how their relationship really goes). So, why one is seen as being against M. when saying this??She didn’t even invite him at her wedding!!! That’s another FACT, regardless of her reasons for doing so!!!!!
One can’t be on Marie’s side “motivating” that she can thank whoever she wants and she can invite only the people who are very close to her because theseare NOT motivations. They both say too often that they care for each other and are very close friends.
On the other hand, one can’t be on Per’s side either “motivating” that he is more faithful than her or that he cares more about her than she does about him, because these are just speculations.
So, being on either side is wrong and the fight between fans in this thread is pointless. All we have to do is to accept for a fact that Marie DID NOT invite and thank Per in situations when she was expected to do it (at least at the common sense level of those who pay attention to Roxette-as-a-band life); trying to highlight the normality of this Marie-ignoring-Per-when-she-is-on-her-own is a stupid thing to do. She doens’t need to be defended. But we have to admit that she didn’t pay attention to her roxetter partner for some reasons, at some occasions.
Sparvogamarie said on January 20, 2004 11:31:
I’m pretty much gonna leave this thread after this because it’s degenerating and going nowhere, but will reply to this part from Max-Tob:
>But we have to admit that she didn’t pay attention >to her roxetter partner for some reasons, at >some occasions.
That can be said in reverse and may even explain why she has avoided thanking him in the past...Per has openly admitted to being a little insensitive to Marie when her children were born. He pushed her to work when she wanted time with them, and after his son was born he realised what he had done and I believe he apologised to her. In the Really Roxette documentary also, they both admit that their friendship had fallen apart a bit and they had to make an effort to rebuild it. I’ve heard a few rumours, not 100% confirmed of course, that they were really not getting along in the mid 90’s (and that was why Per was not invited to the wedding). So it’s possible Marie was angry at him during the making of her other albums...but as I said above she DID thank him on her most recent CD so it seems they have sorted things out between them.
And I’ll react using whatever words I like *g*
I’ve never even MET you before Max-Tob, why are you jumping all over me? Just because I didn’t share your opinion? Jeezzzz. So this is why the people at the runtoroxette forum said don’t come to Small Talk....I see what they were talking about.
Sparvoga out. *waves*
Max-Tob said on January 20, 2004 12:03:
@Sparvoga: You’re so childish.
I feel deep regrets for starting this topic. It’s not worth it. You can only think in terms of who’s on who’s side.
For a different reason, I’m out too.
Max
Kiwein1 said on January 20, 2004 12:12:
She isn’t childish - as far as I see she is just right! :-)
It’s a pity that this topic ends this way as it seemed a really interesting discussion so far.
Anarem said on January 20, 2004 12:21:
@Max-Tob: sorry you feel that way, sad you’re you’re going out on a “childish” note.
Jud (moderator) said on January 20, 2004 16:28:
@_@ who are you to judge their relationship and marie’s actions and decisions? She didn’t invite Per to her wedding, well FINE, who are you to judge her for that? SHE and only SHE is the one to know why and she is free to do what she feels like and you are nobody, not to even ask her why neither to judge her and put yourself in Per’s position and how he would have felt. SHE only SHE is the one to decide about who sings in her albums and that’s all about it. AND Per is the only one to feel fine or bad about it all, you are NOBODY to judge her neither Per neither to decide if they are mature enough or how Marie should treat her relationship with Per, where are we going to end up?
One thing is to talk about what directions their music should take, another one very different is JUDGE their personal lives and them as individuals they are. You don’t own Per and Marie! If you wanna talk about other’s life and how they handle their relationships, buy the HELLO! or go to a hairdresser and I am sure you will feel at ease there! You have discussed about Marie’s and Per’s reasons to thank eachother, about WHAT KIND of person Åsa is, now Micke also takes part in it.. what will be next? Why Per and Marie never married?
Per is NOT the only friend/person that has supported her, not at all, I could mention one that has supported her since she started and even asked her to sing backing vocals in her album before she even had one on her own. But I don’t think she should ask this person to sing in her albums neither thank her everywhere O_o Besides what kind of friendship would it be if it would be based on how many times you sing in my album and you thank me in it???
Jud (moderator) said on January 20, 2004 16:37:
“All we have to do is to accept for a fact that Marie DID NOT invite and thank Per in situations when she was expected to do it (at least at the common sense level of those who pay attention to Roxette-as-a-band life); trying to highlight the normality of this Marie-ignoring-Per-when-she-is-on-her-own is a stupid thing to do. She doens’t need to be defended. But we have to admit that she didn’t pay attention to her roxetter partner for some reasons, at some occasions.”
O_o: reading this again i really can’t believe my eyes, WHO expects her to do anything? you? well, sorry to tell you but you are nobody for Per neither for Marie. None of us (fans) is. That Per wants to have another earring, FINE, that Marie wants to amend her teeth, FINE, that Marie wants to have a dinner with her friends and Per is not invited FINE (and I know of dinners when Per was not invited). That Per wants to throw a party in Halmstad and leaves Marie out, FINE! You can say what you want but it’s THEIR decision and friendship and they are free to do with it whatever you want.
Markuz said on January 20, 2004 18:50:
@erweetiran: Well, I think the problem is that you’ve got some wrong information and ideas.
You say Per and Marie are friends... well, are they?
In an interview from 1995 from the Roxette Review Marie Fredriksson said that she was kinda sorry that the frienship with Per was lost, and that they were more like business partners now.
So maybe they friendship is over and they are still together because of their work. What’s wrong with that??
erweetiran said on January 20, 2004 21:41:
I think this topic was answered by the actual person starting this topic!!! WOW
Anyway after reading the last couple of posts I think it is kinda clear that Marie does not have to do what she does not want to do and there are reasons for that what we don’t know of...kinda hard thing to except but what the hell.
Vixzter said on October 28, 2004 20:14:
well well well.....
new cd booklet....
’for your friendship’....
..........Åsa & Per....................
;)
so now u can all stop ure moaning ;-P
Vixzter said on October 28, 2004 20:18:
oh damn but she put Åsa b4 Per!!! OH NO!!! ;)
What does that mean?? i expect atleast another 3 pages!
Vixzter said on October 28, 2004 20:29:
theres no surnames......maybe its a different couple altogether ;-)
Kiwein1 said on October 28, 2004 20:32:
Oh yeeeeeeeees....didn’t even think about this possibility!! Thanks for making that clear. Well...how can she dare?
on_a_mission said on October 28, 2004 20:34:
I’ll do it for everyone then, since I am not busy. Are we sitting comfortably (or poised, incensed with rage, to be more accurate)?
*dramatic music on*
Then I’ll begin.
”How could she? Use of alphabetical order! Sooo ungrateful and insensitive?! [needless to say it only looks like alphabetical order to a non scandanavian, or an idiot. However, I am an enraged, embittered rox fan, who cares more about making insane congectures about peoples private lives than actualy music. Therefore I will take a pathetically speculative argument and continue to rant like the type of lunactic neither Marie, Per, and especially not this poor dude Micke would EVER want to meet on a dark night. So, where was I?]
Ah yes. To think, its taken her all this time since the last time to acknowledge his godly presence! Unbelievable! If I was his friend I’d pay back all his greatness by doing his laundry for the next 10,00000000000 years. Hell, I’d even take out his trash! I mean, he taught her everything! everythind dammit
[then the: Whats so special about Åsa anyway part....] I mean, her first! Its no like she writes the songs! Not like they would even BE friends if it wasn’t for PER!!!!! Isn’t he the centre of the earth! In fact! I’ve got it!!! MICKE made her put Åsa first! Its all a jealous conspiracy......[and on, and on, and on.....]
There, I’ve parodied it for all of you. Now you can go and have a nice quiet evening in front of the TV. This tirade of utter pish is dedicated to the sarcasm of Vixzter.
oam//
[edit] bugger, about 4 people beat me too it, and there’s spelling errors. Nevermind.
Kiwein1 said on October 28, 2004 20:40:
Can someone tell me why she mentions Åsa first? :P
Å is the last letter in the Swedish alphabet.
Vixzter said on October 28, 2004 20:42:
hahahahaha ;) Marie can’t spell?? heres something even worse.....she mentions....Marika & Clarence BEFORE Åsa & Per .....now thats gotta piss ppls off ;)
on_a_mission said on October 28, 2004 20:42:
please refer to the above parody for my speculations. I could continue them but I’m doing something slightly more constructive at the moment.
on_a_mission said on October 28, 2004 20:45:
I’ve got it! Up until now she’s been convinced her name was Eiram. Someone better tell her, before she puts anything else backwards....
StillFar said on October 28, 2004 20:46:
you’re all nuts :P
@ on a mission: that was funny! (not talking about your last post, but the one before that...just to make it clear ;))
Vixzter said on October 28, 2004 20:48:
do u know i haven’t even read much of the other 3 pages of Marie bashing but this topic suddenly got instresting ;) as we now have a constructive discussion going on!
don’t u just love cd booklets, they’re an endless source of entertainment ;)
*edited for bad spelling*
Vixzter said on October 28, 2004 20:51:
well done oam!! *fireworks* *champagne* *ballons* *fanfare* ;-)
on_a_mission said on October 28, 2004 20:55:
what am I being congratulated for...? thanks, anyway. :-)
Vixzter said on October 28, 2004 20:56:
ure 100th post!
this could be heading for 6 pages! scary....i must stay away from red wine and pc’s!
*edited coz oam beat me again*
on_a_mission said on October 28, 2004 20:56:
haha, I’m sober. I’m just feeling really sarcastic. Its all the rain in Skåne...
Vixzter said on October 28, 2004 20:57:
its rain rain rain and more rain in Oxford ;)
twasnt raining in Göteborg yesterday
on_a_mission said on October 28, 2004 20:58:
oh really, I didn’t realise. Well, nice to feel welcome. This must be 100andsomething. I never check my details. Caught ya Vix!
Sparvogamarie said on October 29, 2004 14:13:
Hats off to Vix for turning this lame-ass topic into something funny haha!! I’ve been avoiding small talk because of all the flaming freaks on here, but you can always count on Vix to liven things up! You go girl!!
Jud (moderator) said on October 29, 2004 16:55:
now I should get pissed, what’s this of thanking E&E NOT first in the list????? >:|
Sparvogamarie said on October 29, 2004 17:33:
Oooh....hang on, I just realised...she thanks the fans LAST. So....that means she is a selfish cow who hates her fans!!! We should write her angry letters at once!!!!!
xarrrr said on October 29, 2004 17:37:
hahahhaha... it just gets better and better..... you guys are all insane :P
Jud (moderator) said on October 29, 2004 17:43:
yes how dares she.. us in last position.. *grrrrrrrr*
and then, aren’t we also her friends? *snif* how dares she call us “fans”......
Sparvogamarie said on October 29, 2004 17:47:
AND she only thanked us for our patience. What about our SUPPORT huh? She’s so UNGRATEFUL, we made her what she is today!!!!
on_a_mission said on October 29, 2004 18:06:
yea, what do Elephants and Ecstacy have to do with anything...? I’m confused. oam
Sparvogamarie said on October 29, 2004 18:42:
Her secret lover of course...yes that’s right - she’s ungrateful to Per, she doesn’t appreciate her fans, her new album is terrible - and now she’s having an AFFAIR!! Does this woman get any worse?????
We’ve gone into 5 pages now, yeehaa!
RoXoR said on October 29, 2004 18:51:
oh my god! Really!? I already thought something like this!!! A secret source told my, that she not even sung the songs, that was ASA!!!!!! Can you believe this?And she eats hamsters and sometimes also moles!
Kiwein1 said on October 29, 2004 18:52:
What? She doesn’t sing on her own album? Aaah, and that’s why she mentions Åsa first!! :)
Sparvogamarie said on October 29, 2004 19:01:
Oh my god, I knew about the hamsters but not the moles. That’s really coming as a shock to me.
Yeah Åsa is the real singer. Do you remember Milli Vanilli? They got cute guys to pretend to sing because the real singers were ugly. So this is the same, Åsa sings and Marie is the cute front woman. Oh, and Marie is really married to Per and the reason she doesn’t thank him is that she didn’t want ppl to be suspicious. Åsa is just a cover.
Vixzter said on October 30, 2004 08:38:
actualy i do wonder who moje is ;) cat? goldfish? mouse? spider in recording studio?
Vixzter said on October 30, 2004 09:36:
well she thanx the nanny b4 Per, i mean thats just DISRESPECTFUL! ;)
on_a_mission said on October 30, 2004 13:17:
I’m beginning to think it would be worth the money solely for that too. oam//
Sparvogamarie said on October 30, 2004 18:01:
Vix: well maybe the nanny is better in bed than Per, so she got thanked first!
AURYTE said on October 31, 2004 07:34:
Finally ROXETTE -fans humour returned!!! Congratulations!!! And why PER is not on the first line???
RoXoR said on October 31, 2004 11:22:
Oh my god, what a question, if she would have done so she must admit that she and Per are married, have three kids, Pippi, Anika, and Tommi! Because the first section is for love. And i think its really great that she admit that is fallen in love with the spider moje, perhapes on the next cd she will admit that she is in love with Per and perhapes the next next album she will also be able to say that she is in love with asa an prins charles who knows, so dont push her like this!!!!
;-)
*edit*
By the way it must be a really strange marriage Marie and Per! A lot of ballons with sad clowns on it. Marie must invite Per!!!
It must be a rainig day on a bright june afternoon, while marie is spending her time with listen to her heart and Per tryin to get the look with an big bubblegum and having a joyride to the house of marie with his car, than find she doesnt live here anymore and get exited, while marie is wainting for the rain in the church of her heart thinking my heart is a support to the brain. Than Per arrives ooh you are my queen of rain. Marie says im fading like a flower everytime you enter the room becouse im totally in love with you Jefferson äh i mean Per!
I dont want to think about their usal life as spouses!!!!!
Sparvogamarie said on October 31, 2004 16:33:
Heyyyyyyyy maybe the real reason Per wasn’t invited to Marie’s wedding is that Per is really in love with MICKE. Ever think of that one, Marie haters? That’s why they weren’t getting along for so long, Per was trying to steal her man....I did hear that Per and Micke used to play tennis together...yeah right, TENNIS, sure!
on_a_mission said on October 31, 2004 23:47:
i’m just gonna post here to carry this nonsense to the 6 page mark.........herregud!
Sparvogamarie said on November 1, 2004 15:32:
I don’t know...if we’re not careful we’re gonna get archived for talking so much rubbish!!!
Oooh I’ll share a happy story with you instead. Today I went to Mega in Stockholm to ask if I could have a promo poster of The Change. The guy said he didn’t have an extra, but maybe I’d be interested in something else. So he gave me this cool little promo folder with stuff about the album and pix of Marie! Yay! Then they started playing All You Gotta Do Is Feel in the store! Double yay! And then I went to the other Mega store, and they gave me a poster. So I had a cool day.
Do you think I’ll get flamed for bragging now? Last time I shared a cool Marie story I got called “precious” for acting like I was so great just because I dared to share something positive. Blah, they can flame away, it’s cold here in Sweden anyway :)
on_a_mission said on November 1, 2004 16:31:
here’s a big flame for you: FLLAAAAAAMMMMEEEEE.
är du glad nu? ;-)
Vixzter said on November 1, 2004 17:20:
if we get archived for talking too much rubbish then 90% of the other topics here should go too!
;)
oohh did u just say that?? ;) i want flames too, bloody freezin’ here!
Sparvogamarie said on November 1, 2004 17:24:
Hmm that’s true, it would be a very quiet place here if all the crap got archived lol.
Here’s some warm toasty flames for you ^.^.^
tevensso (moderator) said on November 1, 2004 17:27:
As long as you keep it remotely Roxette related it won’t get moved, and if you behave, it won’t be archived either. :)
Jud (moderator) said on November 1, 2004 17:32:
Marie: how dare you come here and brag about what you got!?!? *getting the voodoo doll*
;)
Btw, no more ideas about Moje? I still vote for the nanny :P
Btw2, I am still pissed because E&E don’t have a preferred place in the booklet, a picture should at least have been included!
And to keep it Rox related: Marie rules!!! ;)
^^ btw3, see WHO started page 6! :P
Kiwein1 said on November 1, 2004 17:38:
Nanny, cat or turtle, secret lover, mother-in-law?
AND did you notice? She is a feminist - she mentioned the women first..
Vixzter said on November 1, 2004 18:28:
i’m gonna brag too....
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/vixzter/hahaha.jpg
on my mp3 player in the car.....scrolls across......how cool is that!!! ;-P
btw.....i’m bored ;-)
on_a_mission said on November 1, 2004 19:00:
yokel vix! we made it to six pages. I’m also bored. And where were we? nannies, cats fish feminism...oh! and roxette somewhere in the distant past.
Hello moderators!
@judith: Ironically, tev started page 6, he’s at the top.
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Sparvogamarie said on November 1, 2004 19:10:
Cool Vix!
I should take a photo of my bedroom here...my old room in Australia looked like something a 13 year old would have had back in 1990...wall to wall Roxette posters. So I decided that now I’m here in Sweden with a new room, I would be very grown up and not have anything....blah, that lasted about a week. I now have a huge The Change poster, and all the recent articles about Marie stuck all over the place. You can’t go anywhere without seeing that sweet chubby face shining out at you.
Is that bragging, or just admitting that I’m very very sad....?
And yes I said chubby.....flame that!!! She looks sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeet, I hope she keeps some extra weight on and then I don’t have to do the Atkins diet anymore haha!
Vixzter said on November 1, 2004 19:11:
spider! its a spider i tell ya! although....i read once tht marie doesnt like them....so maybe she splatted it ;)
i just made that word up btw (splatted) ;)
Sparvogamarie said on November 1, 2004 19:17:
I think splatted is a word...does anyone have a dictionary? If Marie hates spiders then why did she thank it in her album, smarty pants?
Vixzter said on November 1, 2004 19:18:
maybe she thanked it for being splatted and staying splatted ;)
i so cant spell tonight!
Sparvogamarie said on November 1, 2004 19:19:
Hey Jud I just noticed the part about the voodoo doll. Huh, I won’t tell you about the time I kissed Marie’s neck. True story....embarrassing story actually but still bragworthy.
Is bragworthy a word?
Vixzter said on November 1, 2004 19:21:
bragworthy LOL
ok i once told marie she was ’bloody marvelous’! in true brit fashion
is that bragworthy??
Sparvogamarie said on November 1, 2004 19:21:
But did you kiss her NECK when you said it? I think not.
Sparvogamarie said on November 1, 2004 19:24:
You should. But actually it was Marie’s fault, I was kissing her cheek and she pulled my head into her neck. I was so embarrassed my face turned redder than a tomato and I couldn’t look her in the eye after that. But she had the biggest grin on her face.
That’s gotta be bragworthy, right?!!!!!!
Vixzter said on November 1, 2004 19:32:
thats into major bragworthy territory.....i touched her shoulder....does that count?
;)
careful we may get locked up pretty soon, its the orange walls around here they make you go mad ;)
Sparvogamarie said on November 1, 2004 19:36:
If you kissed her shoulder, then it would count. But she’d probably look at you pretty weird if you just walked up and kissed her shoulder.
Yes we’ll blame it on the orange walls....I’ve got to wonder what the “normal” people around here are thinking of this topic (if there are any). They probably think we’re kinda nuts....well hellooooo, my website is called the Marie Worship page, so right there you know I have a few screws loose to call my site something that weird. No shock to anybody if I go off the deep end, am I right?
Vixzter said on November 1, 2004 19:47:
next time i’ll aim for the shoulder kiss then! ;-)
its all gone very quiet here now LOL
marie bashers crawled back under the rocks they came from?? ;-)
mmmm that could get this topic archived, referring to others as insects.
(wonder how Moje feels about being called a spider, never thought of that!) O_o
mmmm spiders arent insects o_O
will someone please take this beer away from me! i shudnt be allowed near a pc and alcohol at the same time.
Sparvogamarie said on November 1, 2004 19:51:
I think it’s become pretty obvious which two people had nothing to do one cold Monday evening ;)
Hey we have to keep this Rox related remember? I can’t top the neck story. Or can I?
Okay I admit it - I AM MOJE!! All this time you thought I was a spider. Yes it’s all true, after I kissed her neck she left Micke and ran away with me to get married. Efva and Eva were the flower girls and Per was a bridesmaid. He looked lovely in a pink chiffon gown with puffy sleeves.
That’s the plain truth. Goodnight everyone, from Sparvogamoje.
Vixzter said on November 1, 2004 20:16:
the whole topic is confuding....the title says... Per thanks to Marie on DVD. Why? and the whole discussion is about why Marie didnt bother thanking him in her cd booklets, weird!
Sparvogamarie said on November 1, 2004 20:20:
Well I think the point that Max-Tob was trying to make is why the hell did Per bother to thank Marie on his DVD when she’s clearly an ungrateful, lazy, inconsiderate, non wedding inviting cow who couldn’t even take the time to thank him on her CDs even though he MADE her what she is today and she would obviously be homeless and living under a bridge without him.
Did I get it right?
Kiwein1 said on November 1, 2004 20:26:
Yeah - that is a very good conclusion! Ungrateful cow she is - she dares having an own life besides Roxette and Per? :P How can she do that??
Jud (moderator) said on November 1, 2004 21:30:
so if kissing her neck is bragworthy.. what about her lips? :O
;)
btw, you forgot to mention that Efva also designed the wedding rings.. here everybody seems to forget to thank the right people.. what ungrateful people is nowadays in this forum!
on_a_mission said on November 1, 2004 21:37:
I’m semi listening to/reading this discussion. From my initial, lets parody the psycho rox fan post it really has gone full circle. Here’s to beer Vix/oam//
Oscarbcn said on November 1, 2004 21:47:
20 minutes reading this topic and I look as if I had taken some drugs...I’M VERY NERVOUS...Didn’t know there was a singer called Marie...thanking Per? ...Who’s Asa...By the way, who’s Roxette? Maybe an endangered species...then call the WWF.
on_a_mission said on November 1, 2004 21:50:
did you register just to say that....or are you really on drugs? ;-p
zaine said on November 2, 2004 12:48:
”...and Per was a bridesmaid. He looked lovely in a pink chiffon gown with puffy sleeves”
that is the most amusing thing ever!!
I am going to keep that image in my head all day!
RoXoR said on November 2, 2004 14:29:
@ zaine
i hope you wont get nightmarries!!!
i also get from a secret source the information that the pictures in the artwork are pictures by marie of per while he eats splatted moje!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
At best you can see it on the picture with three heads one at the left and two on the right one over the other. By the big one on the right you can see a leg of moje hanging out of pers mouth!!!!
RoXoR said on November 2, 2004 14:33:
Page 7!!!
By the way, woudlnt it make sence to creat a site for moje
Something like this:
in memories of moje, the splatted spider eaten by Per addicted to vixzter who sings i will follow moje, follow moje where ever he may go, ever since he touched my heart....
Vixzter said on November 2, 2004 17:24:
apprently moje isn’t a spider but i cant reveal the source of this information, its a need to know basis only....i’d tell you then i’d have to splat you.
Sparvogamarie said on November 2, 2004 17:55:
Jud said “so if kissing her neck is bragworthy.. what about her lips?”
WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO TELL US, JUDITH??? Is there something Conny should know about?
Vixzter said on November 2, 2004 18:08:
if thats the case we’re gonna have to find another word as bragworthy just simply wouldnt come close ;-)
Sparvogamarie said on November 2, 2004 18:15:
No bragworthy would not be a good word for that....I think DEAD would be more like it, after I get my hands on Jud for kissing my wife!
PS. Per’s pink chiffon bridesmaid gown is on Ebay for 1 euro. Any bidders?
Moje. (No I am NOT a spider, though Marie and I do have a pet tarantula called Ariadne)
Vixzter said on November 2, 2004 18:17:
I’ll bid!!!! i so want that dress!! >;-) do u have the pink shiny shoes to go with it?
Jud (moderator) said on November 2, 2004 18:29:
Glups! *me cancels the trip to Stockholm*
btw, did I ever tell you that Connie does NOT read these forums? ;)
Kiwein1 said on November 2, 2004 18:32:
Aah, I lost track it seems...page seven...what the heck is going on here? Haha..
Sparvogamarie said on November 2, 2004 18:37:
I’ll bring u up to date Kiwein: I am Moje (not a spider despite the rumours) and I married Marie in a lovely ceremony in which Per was a bridesmaid. His pink dress is on Ebay, you’ll be bidding against Vix for it. I don’t have the shoes of course, I think Per kept those and he wears them on weekends when Åsa is out shopping. I just received the shocking news that Judith has been having an affair with my wife and I’m flying to Austria to kick her ass.
I should be angry at Marie but I guess I can’t be angry at her when I have been seeing Eva Dahlgren on the side.
Take THAT Jud! Steal my wife, I stole your hero hahahahaaaaa!
Jud (moderator) said on November 2, 2004 18:41:
“I just received the shocking news that Judith has been having an affair with my wife and I’m flying to Austria to kick her ass”
>> I think the “has been having” isn’t the right tense
When did you say you are going back to Oz? ;)
Btw, Eva and I have a very very open relationship, which I cannot tell about Efva (who btw reads this site every day, doesn’t miss a single word here. I’d better watch out ;)
Sparvogamarie said on November 2, 2004 18:45:
What do you mean, not the right tense?? Should that be “is STILL having an affair with my wife”????????
You get your hands off my woman!
What’s that Connie? Come back to bed? Yeah, yeah in a minute, I’m just writing something on this sad ass forum....
oh wait did I write that out loud?
Vixzter said on November 2, 2004 18:49:
dammit i wanted the shoes too!!
*calls per* give me the shoes dammit!!.....i don’t care if you are wearinging them....i bloody want them!
btw i put a bid on ebay for 1,000,0000,0000 euros so if someone wants that dress they’ll have to want it more than me (crickey thats more than i paid for that damn promo! credit card will melt this month)
;-)
Kiwein1 said on November 2, 2004 18:49:
Thanks for explaining! :)
I want Per’s dress, too...too bad I am going to Sthlm next week, so no pink dress for me. :(
Sparvogamarie said on November 2, 2004 18:54:
Sorry Vix you’ll never get Per to give up his precious collection of womens shoes. He has a secret vault where he hides them from Åsa, then on weekends he has private fashion parades.
Sparvogamarie said on November 2, 2004 18:56:
Jud: yes she does...who do you think is in your bed tonight?
I told you I’ll be there in a minute Connie! Is Eva here yet? The orgy can’t start without her...Marie what the HELL are you doing with that banana????? Hey don’t start without me!
Gotta go....
Vixzter said on November 2, 2004 18:57:
tis ok, he promised me i cud borrow um, but i think they may be a little big ;...(
Sparvogamarie said on November 2, 2004 18:58:
Eva is kinda busy at the moment....and I DO mean busy. Can I take a message instead?
Oh my god Eva how do you BEND yourself like that?
Sparvogamarie said on November 2, 2004 18:59:
Vix: since when are you and Per on shoe-swapping terms? Seems Jud and I are not the only ones with our little secrets....
Vixzter said on November 2, 2004 19:01:
looking on ebay for pink dresses now....
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3263&item=8141961...
was it that one??
or...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=80914&item=593145...
that one.....must be the 2nd one....coz pers modeling it!
Sparvogamarie said on November 2, 2004 19:02:
Actually I did wonder why all those trips to Spain....I thought she just really liked flamenco
Vixzter said on November 2, 2004 19:02:
@spar: oh we swap shoes all the time, i know about the secret vault too, mine dont fit him though.
Sparvogamarie said on November 2, 2004 19:03:
Yeah it’s the second one. Actually Per’s bidding on the first one.
Kiwein1 said on November 2, 2004 19:05:
That’s why he lost the weight - the dress needs to fit when he’s at Eva’s and Sparvoga’s wedding in march. :)
Sparvogamarie said on November 2, 2004 19:05:
Oh do you guys remember the Per facelift rumour that was on here a while ago....I just have to say that it was all TRUE, though there’s more to it than just getting rid of wrinkles....he’s doing a whole sex change procedure. He just got the boobs put in, next week it’s goodbye Captain Winky.
Vixzter said on November 2, 2004 19:06:
i got a pair of his jeans too ( no seriously i have!....bragworthy...or sad?) we like to swap stuff, he wears my hockey skirt quite often
Sparvogamarie said on November 2, 2004 19:06:
How did you find out about that Kiwein??? It was a big secret. Yes we’re becoming Jehovah’s Witnesses because they let you have more than one wife. So soon I’ll be married to Eva, Marie AND Connie and we’ll live on a commune.
Oh and after Per becomes a woman he’ll join us.
Sparvogamarie said on November 2, 2004 19:08:
Vix: I don’t even wanna KNOW what you do with them.
I have Marie’s pillow. No, seriously I do! It smells like beer, no kidding.
Sparvogamarie said on November 2, 2004 19:11:
Actually Per would look quite nice in a hockey skirt....*mental picture*
Vixzter said on November 2, 2004 19:15:
well....we just like to swap clothes thats all.....and shoes....but i’m not allowed to see most of his collection :...(
Sparvogamarie said on November 2, 2004 19:22:
Ah you must be talking about the kinky lingerie Vix. Nobody is allowed to see that.
Vixzter said on November 2, 2004 21:54:
oh i saw that, not much kinky stuff, mostly them hip huggin’ knickers a la bridget jones ;-)
Vixzter said on November 2, 2004 23:18:
i have to admit....its not the best dress ive seen him in....
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/vixzter/nicedress1.jpg
and those arent the shoes he promised me either!
is that a wand or an award in his hand?
;-)
on_a_mission said on November 2, 2004 23:56:
vix....not listening to the rest of the insanity but hahahahfuckingha......if he reads this ur getting sued. big time! he better be wearing ur jeans....
RoXoR said on November 3, 2004 00:01:
oh my god there is the fairy again *running for my life* with the long magicstave he looks really scary!!!!
Sparvogamarie said on November 3, 2004 13:04:
LAUGHING MY GODDAMN ASS OFF AT THAT PHOTO!!!!!!
Uhhhh I think I broke a rib from laughing too much but MUHAAAHAHAHAHHAHAHHHAAAAAAA!!!!!
Jud (moderator) said on November 3, 2004 17:23:
I think I didn’t laugh like this for long *muahahhahah*
Btw Marie, you should tell Marie to finally loose weight!!!!
Sparvogamarie said on November 3, 2004 17:28:
*confused by too many Maries*
I should tell Marie F to lose weight, or she should tell me? We both have to start the Atkins diet again. I was doing it 2 weeks ago cos a skinny friend was visiting and I needed to look fabulous, but after she was gone I started shoving down the cheez doodles and Ben and Jerrys icecream :(
At least Marie has her steroids as an excuse for the chubby face, what’s mine???
There’s always liposuction I suppose. Just between you and me (and the entire forum) Per’s been doing a lot of that.
Jud (moderator) said on November 3, 2004 17:34:
of course I meant MF, i mean she has gained a lot of weight the past 2 years.. what is she thinking of?
Vixzter said on November 3, 2004 18:14:
btw, he play’s for my team, if u look closely u may see his skirt ;-)
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/vixzter/hk.jpg
Sparvogamarie said on November 3, 2004 18:59:
LMAO @ Vix! You should get into stand-up or something.
Jud: Yeah it’s quite disgraceful how fat my wife is. What was she thinking, getting cancer?? It just goes to prove the original point of this topic, that she is just plain selfish and thoughtless!
Connie and Eva says hi btw.
zaine said on November 8, 2004 19:50:
this was propbably the wrong time to come back and read this topic.... LOL
Vixzter said on November 8, 2004 20:11:
Per got dropped at the weekend btw, wasn’t in the team coz he wanted to wear pink shoes.
Sparvogamarie said on November 9, 2004 17:56:
WILL THIS TOPIC EVER DIE????
No? Okay then. Back to the pink shoes, which is of course the most important discussion going on here. Hey what happened to the Per facelift discussion? I thought that was a really stupid topic until I saw Per being interviewed the other week and wondered why his face looked like it got peeled back and stretched across his skull, and said......hang on a minute, isn’t that called a FACELIFT???
Vixzter said on November 9, 2004 18:23:
possibly, might just be a new face growing and he’ll end up looking like marie ;)
Sparvogamarie said on November 9, 2004 19:36:
Ooooooooooooooooooooh if he looks like Marie then I’ll finally have the man of my dreams....a man who is just like Marie! Yay! But can we get him a personality transplant too, I don’t want to marry the worlds biggest ego!
*Sparvögamarie hides in her flame retardant spacesuit*
Jud (moderator) said on November 9, 2004 22:15:
me also thinks his face looks weird..
I wonder why such people do all these beauty operations, you only need to see the ones who already have lived with quemical stuff injected in their bodies or with such liftings for some years.. and when this stuff starts to move or look like it’s falling appart (talk about lips or whatever).. they end up looking like monsters!!! *yuk*
(not saying that Per’s doing that, I simply don’t mind, if he wants to look like a monster in some years, his problem ;))
Sparvogamarie said on November 10, 2004 18:05:
Actually he did look a little monsterish. He had that awful fake look that you get after plastic surgery. Of course I don’t know for sure that he did, but something in his face just didn’t look right at all! But he’s no alien, he spent the whole interview talking about how Mazarin is SOOOOO successful and he didn’t want to make Mazarin II with FFF because FFF is a “band” album so he made something different (um, sure you did Per!) for GT and then he talked about the time he created the Earth in 7 days. No alien could have such a high opinion of himself...!
Jud (moderator) said on November 10, 2004 19:11:
lol what look do people have after operating? :O I think I’ve never met a person who’s done plastic surgery - ts ts with what people am I making friends????
Sparvogamarie said on November 10, 2004 19:41:
Well Jud here in the upper class, we do that a lot. I don’t expect you poor common people to afford plastic surgery. Facelift people have a weird look like the skin has been stretched across their face. It doesn’t look right.
Off to get my boobs done girls, seeya later.
Jud (moderator) said on November 10, 2004 20:22:
LOL I DO need sleep :D
I thought you meant they have a special look from their eyes!! *blush*
Yes I know what you mean, at least judging from pictures or tv - damn, I must get friends in the upper class and experience a plastic face live! (yuk! I think I would puke if I had to kiss such an.. unreal face)
on_a_mission said on November 10, 2004 21:17:
haven’t seen a shot of our extra terrestrial friend lately, but he should pack in the plastic surgery (if any), cos that’s just nasty.....
If not, he should get an open ended slagging on these pages. oam//
Sparvogamarie said on November 12, 2004 19:45:
This news just in - Mel Gibson is making a new movie about Per. It’s called “The Passion of the Gessle” and it’s the story of the time Per died on the cross and rose 3 days later with a new album called “The World According to the Messiah - (me of course)” featuring the hits “I want you to know (that I’m God)” and “Do you wanna worship me baby”. It’s a very powerful and moving film.
on_a_mission said on November 12, 2004 20:06:
Ok, then there’s being overly harsh, but nonetheless extremely funny. oam//
kibkalo said on November 28, 2004 13:05:
Returning to the original topic theme: on “The Change” Marie thanks Per & Asa for their friendship (among others)
Sparvogamarie said on November 29, 2004 18:50:
She thanked him on Äntligen and Het Vind (twice on HV actually!!). It’s just that some of the rabid Per fans thought she should get on her knees and thank him on every project she does because he “started” her career (it was actually Martin Sternhuvud who first noticed her and started her in a band, not Per!!)
on_a_mission said on November 29, 2004 22:33:
ah so this finally veered back on topic thanks to a dedicated few. That’s actually a minor achievement.
*gold stars for vix and spar* oam.
Sparvogamarie said on November 30, 2004 17:32:
Nearly 300 replies, not bad for a stupid topic that was only started to attack a cancer patient.
n-Somnia said on January 9, 2004 13:21:
My question.....”Why not?”