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So, did they ever kiss?
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Valmer said on March 24, 2003 14:14:
Hi, guys, don’t fire me! I’m just curious to know your opinion: do you think Marie and Per have ever kissed each other?...
Of course I know what they answer at this type of questions, but I just need a common-sense opinion...Don’t get mad! We all thought about it, let’s face it. Bye!
tinytim said on March 24, 2003 15:23:
Some truths in life are really simple and basic, like a little equationm. Just watch to Look Sharp Live video (that I bought recently for less than US$ 1...it was an used copy, from a video rental) and you‘ll get my point.
Both talented, spending lots of time together, both young, healthy and good looking, changing glances and singing cheek to cheek and etc...having success in a common interest...they only wouldn‘t feel something if they were machines. C‘mon!
kingboul said on March 24, 2003 16:47:
For sure, without a doubt !!!
When you’re living through such success together, I think it’s come “naturally” ...
japeke said on March 24, 2003 17:12:
Are there man&woman who can do alot of things together like real good friends without having any feelings??? I think there is always one of the two who falls in love with the other... The other way you see very rare...
DaminehGessle said on March 24, 2003 18:00:
I care! It’s so cute!
tinytim yeah exactly! :)
I believe they have had kissed, why not?! Although I had a friend with whom I spent a lot of time and we both liked each other but nothing happened because we were both selfish and afraid?!? Sometimes it doesn’t happen. But in Per and Marie’s case, 99.99999% :D. What is wrong with that??
Roxeanne said on March 24, 2003 21:07:
@ jackeill: who actually does NOT care???
isn’t that their promotion-clue?
didn’t it work in your case?
:-P
Roxeanne said on March 24, 2003 21:10:
oh, and by the way...
i think there is a picture in the “roxette-the book!” -book, where both asa and marie kiss per on his cheek, isn’t there?
that’s only the cheek, i know, but it’s a start... (-;
and didn’t they kiss on some concert?
i heard something about it (really!!), but i don’t remember properly...
sweet_stalker57 said on March 25, 2003 00:13:
they will spill eventually... no one can keep a secret forever. :)
vivien said on March 25, 2003 08:51:
Marie said in Sen kväll med Luuk that they were sick on the parties, so nothing happened. hehe :)
anna-marie said on March 25, 2003 12:15:
My personal oppinion is that esp. Per seems to like Marie not only like a sister, I noticed very often that he’s watching Marie in a very special way.
And how often did he say, that he thinks Marie sexy etc? :-)
I (of course) don’t know if they ever kissed, but everthing is possible, and like tinytim already wrote: They are spending so much time together in hotels, studios..I can’t imagine that there NEVER happened anything. :-)
Sorry Marie & Per, but I can’t believe your “No, we never had anyting with each other” thingie. ;-)
By the way, does anyone know the Interview (think it’s an russian one) were the Moderator asked if they ever had Sex with each other?
Marie began to laugh and asked Per:”Did we, Per?” and Per:”No, I don’t think so.” HAHAHA!! COOL!! :-DDDD
Max-Tob said on March 25, 2003 13:09:
Yes, That’s my opinion too - I suppose Per, as a man, felt more temptation than Marie...I saw thausands of pictures all these years that just told me “Hey, we kissed each other”... Not to mention Look Sharp (not only the concerts, even the videos). As I kept on thinking about the subject, I realised that it’s almost impossible not to kiss...
I also wondering myself why is that so important for us (I’m 24, I’m not a child anymore and I hate fan fictions, I think they are stupid even if I had never read a line of them, I hate the whole idea of doing this), but I’m still wondering myself why are we interested in M and P having an affair? BECAUSE WE ARE ALL GET INTRIGATE BY THEIR DENYING A LOVE AFFAIRE while we see what we see and all hints seem to go to the same direction: is very possible, is even too possible that they had an affair. SO, ofcouse we keep our interest in this, because we feel a little frustration about it: why did they never admited it (it wouldn’t be the end of the world!)? I suppose they decided to keep their image that way, and it’s really difficult to change it without losing credits...They are a clean band and they should remain like this. But ofcourse, the fans who saw every little piece of Roxette could imagine something else...We must admit that is not very “natural” what is happening between them...Of course the human beings are not animals and we are supposed to act in an ethical way, but we can’t keep it straight (only if we are saints...) So...I would be curious about a big Roxette collection to gather all the pix and video images that may be interpreted as a hint to their relation - it would be a HUGE collection, with thousands of hyposthases. There are some interviews lacking the stereotyped sentence “we are like brother and sister”? I suppose there are (maybe 2 or 3, but not too many, ’cos these kinds of things are less visible in a direct interaction to a stupid interviewer, ready to transform a little hint in a big lie).
But where’s Valmer who just wanted to know our opinion? He/she has nothing more to say?
vivien said on March 25, 2003 13:38:
They don´t look like siblings in the booklet of TBH either.
Per looks if he wanted to kiss Marie.Don´t you think?
Max-Tob said on March 25, 2003 14:22:
Well, I suppose this is not very relevant, because it’s too carefully picked. I think is just an image...I also think that the only images that could be relevant on this matter are the spontaneous ones...(and some that are made in the studio too, but surely not the one picked to be the cover for their cd).
But I’m getting more and more certain about Per wanting (at least) to kiss Marie. I’m not so sure about her.
anna-marie said on March 25, 2003 19:03:
It seems like I’m not the only one who noticed that Per likes Marie more than a “sister”. :-)
I remember “Most wanted” (MTV) in the “Tourism” time, how he watched Marie between her performance. UUHH!
Or when she’s putting of her jacket in “dressed for success”.
Or the “Chances” video......sigh! :-)))
wendy said on March 25, 2003 19:52:
Or “dangerous” :p
Anyway,i think it’s pretty normal,i mean,when i’m on a party i kiss also with my friends :p (ok,only if i’m single :p ) And,don’t anyone dare to tell me that you’ve never done that,c’mon......... :p
Twilight-Ghost said on March 26, 2003 16:41:
..... what about Marie liking Per???
I noticed in some video clips she’s flirting with him too.
anna-marie said on March 26, 2003 21:26:
Mmmhh..I’m sure she likes him a lot, but not like he likes her.
Sounds complicated, LOLOL! :-D
I looove how Marie’s watching Per in “Chances”....sigh!
Valmer said on March 27, 2003 08:22:
Well, this thing - who’s watching who and how’s waching who - seem to me a little irrelevant...C’mon these are just videos...The story of the video is about love, so they must play it more or less, because is the whole idea of the song...During a show is something else, of course...Did someone here say that they kissed each other in a certain show? Where did it happen? Are you sure about this? I have stong doubts, but still, it can be possible...
I agree with everybody here...Per is more “interested” in kissing Marie than she is in kissing him...I suppose it’s natural...They are not a couple because they were never been a couple because they didn’t want it, so, the only “thing” that works between them is “physical fascination” (the natural attraction)...So is quite normal to think that they wanted from time to time to kiss each other and, of course, even more... If they didn’t do it (that “even more” that I don’t think is good to be named here), I’m sure they regret it now, when they have families and kids and Marie doesn’t feel very well...I’m sure that deep inside them they regret it (never doing it)...Spending that much with a person (almost half of their lives) and skipping “that part”...it must be not really frustrating, but at least a little bit sad...I’m not suggesting that they should do “that thing” now (before getting too late), but I’m sure they thought about it...(about missing a chance).
Kiwein1 said on March 27, 2003 08:38:
Well you all know the pic from one show taken by the austrian fan club?
http://www.roxetteforum.com/attachments/perundmariesuess12.jpg
Yashar said on March 27, 2003 08:53:
I wish Asa or Micke don’t read this thread.
It’s a foolish way to search signs of such an affair among the videos or concerts.Every single frame in a video is done by the order of the director,every look,every movement and all of the details.
And about concerts: Do you show your attraction to your beloved person in the front of thousands of people?
All we see from P & M is their public feature and we can’t understand anything about their personal thoughts and feeling by them.
Max-Tob said on March 27, 2003 09:25:
You’re perfectly right. No one should let some “hidden” feeling show in front of the crowd. But still, you can’t cut evrey frame that can be seen as a hint. In concerts things come (at least in part) naturally.
Yashar said on March 27, 2003 09:46:
I agree that in concerts some feelings come naturally but I think wise persons like Marie or Per don’t show their hidden feelings in front of the thousands of eyes.They are carefull about all of their movements on the stage.
Besides,during a concert they can only think about performing the songs correct and complete;and they are such tired that can’t think about their private feelings there.
anna-marie said on March 27, 2003 10:20:
Of course the scenes in “Chances” etc. are not showing Marie’s and Per’s feelings, I only wanted to tell you that I like the way Marie and Per are flirting.
And you are absolutly right, if they are really feeling something for each other, they never would be so “stupid” and show it between ay TV show or concert.
This would be damn stupid. :-)
Oh, I really hope they will never read this here...but on the other hand, they know that we are (of course) not only discussing about their music. :-)
Little_miss_joy said on March 27, 2003 11:33:
@Yashar
I think Åsa and Micke are intelligent enough to don´t care of topics like this.
Max-Tob said on March 28, 2003 07:40:
I also think that those four human beings (P, A, M, M) know very well what the whole thing with the Rox-image is about...
They made efforts to keep it clean, and they undoubtfully succeeded in doing this. There are only some fade rumours (most of them imaginary) about “kissing” or “flirting” or even “sex”...BUt c’mon these are things that I suppose you can really meet only in fanfictions...which I don’t know how popular are among roxette fans...But they should be aware that their keeping this image clean made fans write all sorts of fantasies about them...But as we agreed that behaviour in concerts come somehow natural, and we could see some moments (we don’t discuss if they were hints only for our sick minds) that you already mention here, we realize a little gap between their assertions regarding their relationship and those “looks”, some pictures and other stuff. I think they must manage even wiser this gap...They must fill it with something if they want fans not even daring to mention (seriously) this subject...Because, by now, all we can see is a little contradiction that keeps us “between the lines”...We’ll never really believe that they weren’t involved in a relationship, as we’ll never know for sure that they were indeed...It’s a game...But I’m sure this is NOT their game! Their intention is to keep it all very clear, but they couldn’t really because between a man and a woman there’s always space for some flirting! So, what I wanted to say with all these, is that Micke or Asa, or even P and M must not be angry with fans that they still discuss this subject, because it comes NATURALLY!! They must admit that their kind of denial leads no where...and that “brother and sister” thing is the most unbelievable way to convince!! You can’t convince a bunch of fans that two beautiful and healthy people deny a possible involving with each other invoking a stupid natural metaphore (a blood bound)...I mean it’s not really wise...they could get a better reason, something plausible...
That’s why I don’t think they should be furious seeing those things here...You can’t stop fans trying “to solve” a problem regarding their idols (esp. one of this type!)
To someone who said here that in concerts they are too concentrated on the music and they don’t have time for eventual sharing feelings...: Well, I’m not convinced...Performing is about FEELING... Feeling music, being in the mood for singing a certain song...I can agree with something else: they could exaggerate their feeling on the stage because they try to show the idea of the song...But it’s not very plausible though...My best friend is a performer too and all I know is that she gives EVERYTHING on the stage...SHe feels great there and she lets her feelings off...SHe can cry on stage while singing a song that she composed in a certain mood. When she sings it to me staying home on the sofa, she try to sing it just correct, to make me understand what the song is about...But when she’s on stage, is something else...She brings out ALL the feelings regarding that song...It’s also a state of mind that makes you feel open, disponible, very emotional and vulnerable...She’s a real professionist, but on stage she can’t be very rational, if she wants to make a good show...SHe IS what the public SEEs...
So, I suppose this is happening with a real performer...I think M and P are doing the same thing...IS also a little bit of trance...and staying very close of eache other is also about encouraging each other...feeling each other and putting the energies together...I think is far more complicated than we coud imagine, as non-performers...You can’t control everything, you know...
Yashar said on March 28, 2003 08:59:
@Max:I totally agree with you. But there are some points here:
Your example is not a correct one.Famous artists like M & P have many differences in Controlling their feelings on the stage with not so much famous artists like your friend.During the years, they learn how to hide their Pure feelings on the stage; besides,they don’t need to show all of their enthusiasm or feelings for attracting people because they have a lot of fans and are famous enough.but those who are a little amature can’t handle their emotions in front of audience.Also they use all of their abilities and pure emotions to attract people and make themselves famous.
Another point is that respectfull artists like P & M who have denied any kind of sexy relationship,are very very carefull about it even on the stage and even in the rush of pure emotions and energy of audience.Besides,They are alone with each other many times and if they want to do something or look at each other in a sexy way,they will do it in those places not in front of people.
And the last point:
All of those looks and eyes full of desire can be planned by the manager of the concert to make the program more attractive.Although it’s a weak probability,but it CAN be true.
And about my sentence about Micke and Asa:
I was joking;because I think they are completely used to these kinds of comments.
Roxeanne said on March 30, 2003 06:16:
@yashar: do you really think they’ve so much time alone??
don’t think at all... but it’s not important anyway.
DaminehGessle said on March 30, 2003 12:20:
About this:
http://www.roxetteforum.com/attachments/perundmariesuess12.jpg
It seems like they are more mad at each other than want to kiss each other hehe.
I LOVE the Chances cover. They look naughty on that one.
DaminehGessle said on March 30, 2003 12:26:
I don’t think that these 2 individuals even care whether their fans think they’ve been involved in the past. Asa has accepted Per as he is. Micke has accepted Marie as she is. They have kids. Ofcourse Micke or Asa knew Per and Marie as the Roxette Per and Marie before they got involved. So they’d probably thought of this whole scenario before us. And ofcourse they know the truth. We don’t and we are curious.
Again, those 4 don’t care what we think about them on this subject. They’d laugh at us. We are curious and curiousity is good.
whiteroses said on April 4, 2003 12:11:
of course yes , and even more than that,and thats probably in their beginning years were they were still excited working together . And they ar humans of course they felt something about each othr and it all satrted from admiring little things ABOUT YOUR NEWLY MET FRIEnds specially both of them have talents
iepurakis said on April 4, 2003 15:06:
I do remember of reading an article, something in Bravo, but about 12 years ago, in Joyride times... as I recall. The article said they were indeed together for a while, not quite clear, but surely the end inspired Per in writing “It Must Have Been Love”... anyone knows about this? I remember saying that Per ran from the beach saying to Marie: “I can’t talk write now, I have a HIT in my mind.”
big-little-girl said on April 7, 2003 18:48:
You must mix something up! In that time I read BRAVO, too (like everyone else does those days!!)! And I definetely read every ROX-article which was written in that paper (those days!)! I never read anything like this! SORRY! They wrote once, that when P+M met for the first time, Per said this sentence to Marie! I DON’T believe this either!!!
ChristaK said on September 17, 2005 17:30:
ha ha ha..it’s the best disscusion. :D my bro is lol now abut it. For shure they did it. 99,9%
Sire74 said on September 17, 2005 19:13:
LOL!!! I love this thread!
I totally agree with everyone who think they did. And ... well, if i were Per i really would like to kiss Marie ... and other way around as well! :)
kriszta said on September 18, 2005 14:06:
I think the answer yes,yes,yes!
They kissed and more too.....:-))
Fortius said on September 19, 2005 01:18:
I think that IF they did (kissed or whatever), that must happened during the first years of Roxette or before that, when Marie was performing solo and Per was still in GT. JUst as many of you had said, “one image worth more than a thousand words”...
By the way, IMHBL was written before the Joyride album even before Look Sharp.
Debora said on September 19, 2005 16:20:
I believe when they say they are just friends. A good friends relationship is better that “other” relationship. I do belive that men and women can be just firend.
Rox1_4ever said on September 19, 2005 17:12:
*LOL* This topic is so funny.
And Yes I think that they have kissed each other! And think that Per was in love whit Marie, before he met Åsa.
kroeby1 said on September 19, 2005 19:02:
what kind of kiss is meant? i’m really shure that they never had a real kiss. never! marie and per are having a special relationship, marie never liked per really as person. (my opinion) she do not think he is a sexy boy. and i’m shure that she never wanted to kiss him. she do not really like him.
maybe he once tried to kiss her. thats possible. but than it was a disaster.
christian said on September 19, 2005 20:05:
Please stop this discussion. How old are you to discuss this.
We love roxette because of their great music and nothing else.
Cheers
Haui
kriszta said on September 19, 2005 20:42:
@kroeby 1:these things Marie said to you?:-)
@christian:I like them don’t just because they make good music.I like they than people too!
BadMoon said on September 20, 2005 10:29:
@kriszta: LOL! you hit the point! ;)
...and well, it’s true we have to stop this topic cos’ it’s clear they kissed, kiss and will kiss each other...and they aren’t involved only in kisses... ;)
denny said on September 20, 2005 15:50:
@BadMoon LOL :)))
Anyway, very interesting topic, I have thought about it over the years (who wasn’t? ;) ). I just found something interesting here in your replies. Based on videos, some interviews, some parts of some concerts I have seen etc. I always thought the opposite of majority of you. I thought Marie had a crush on Per and Per was just flirting. Anyway, I read a long time ago that Per was with Asa before he met Marie so... that meant to me that they didn’t have anything... BUT then I bought some magazine and got a picture from one concert that totaly confused me! They seem like they are about to kiss. Relly kiss! I am still confused about that pic. Maybe it’s fake. :) and maybe it’s just a wierd corner... Anyway, untill I saw this topic I didn’t think about stuff like that for a loooong time... Guess I’m getting old.. :)
Rox1_4ever said on September 20, 2005 17:29:
But I have reed that Per meet Åsa for the first time ’84 and Marie ’78..Am I wrong?
denny said on September 20, 2005 20:13:
Hmm... anyone here who knows facts for sure? Not that it matters much now... :)
Kiwein1 said on September 20, 2005 20:31:
Per and Marie do know each other longer than Per and Åsa do.
on_a_mission said on September 20, 2005 22:58:
this never dies does it.....? I really, really don’t care.
Sire74 said on September 21, 2005 19:12:
Wow, they met in 78? Didn’t know that! I was only 4 at that time! *lol*
BadMoon said on September 23, 2005 10:04:
@denny Me too I thought Marie had a crush on Per first, then Per had a crush on Marie but it was too late ’cos he was already engaged and loved Asa too but in a different way.
But remember....they still love each other... ;) even if they have their family, they can love each other anyway. I think one person can love more than one person in the same time so it’s not strange if Per and Marie do this too.
ok now that my fairytales have taken the total control of my mind I think it’s time to stop... ;) eheheh =)))
BadMoon said on September 23, 2005 10:05:
oh..I forgot that yes, Per and Marie met each other before Per met Asa... =)
AURYTE said on September 27, 2005 04:49:
I think that nothing more than a friendly kiss happended between Per and Marie. If there had been a big passion between them, it should have been very difficult to work for them. It must have been unbearable to see the person you loved so much married to the other person etc. And I’m pretty sure if Per and Marie were lovers, Roxette would split up when their love faded away.
PS Someone is reading too much of fanfiction...
ChristaK said on September 27, 2005 12:02:
AURYTE..i think we are talking about pure sex or whatewa...not about love. so it’s a bit diferend story don’t you think so?
Gesslemaniac said on September 27, 2005 12:46:
Really not my cup of tea, to wonder wether they did or didn’t kiss - friends can kiss eachother as well as lovers - or am I wrong ???
This discusion is a bit ridiculous, atleast to me !
roxave said on September 27, 2005 14:32:
This topic is something that i also wondered many times and, as older i am, i´m almost sure that the answer is: one kiss? YES, for sure.
It´s normal, it happens in the normal works (in mine happens) the partys are “Dangerous”...the alcohol more... the night confuse the people... and the regular contact makes the affection...
It´s nothing bad at all, is it?
Taking the chance...KISSES TO EVERYBODY! :-*
Rox1_4ever said on October 15, 2005 20:22:
I just found this picture here...(I hope it works...)
http://www.roxette.czechweb.cz/obrR/others/PerMarie.jpg
I dont think they look like just friends here...=))
Anyway its a cute picture..
Sire74 said on October 15, 2005 23:08:
This pic was always one of my favorites. They really look like lovers!
girl7twenty7 said on October 17, 2005 12:28:
I’m sure P&M kissed, they were young and hot (look at that pic, I always liked it btw), but anyway very quickly understood they couldn’t be a couple. There wasn’t nothing serious between them, maybe the only flirt, otherwise Per and Marie couldn’t have worked together for so long.
BadMoon said on October 19, 2005 16:20:
maybe it’s so, but I know a lot of people working together and being a couple...I think reasons are others. ;)
Jud (moderator) said on October 24, 2005 17:46:
:D Thanks Per
Question asked by:markus (from harplinge of course, sverige) - Answered: 2005-10-24 18:04:06
Question:
Hi per
I have a question for you. That you may have answered about thousand
times, but it seems like nowone belives you..
It has been a topic in the discussion part on TDR for a long time
now.
So Per honestly did you and Marie kiss during the Rox-time, did
someting happend? Didn’t you have a crush on her? Let us know...
goood luck with your album
Answer:
get a life, markus
Autumn said on October 24, 2005 18:21:
*gets popcorn and lmao*
PG, you rock, hon with that answer! ;o)))
*still laughin’*
ally77 said on October 24, 2005 19:15:
I love that! :) Oh Per just cracks me up so much!!!!! I love that guy!
Max-Tob said on March 24, 2003 14:21:
I don’t get mad, but I still think is not very good to start such a topic...Well, I suppose they kissed. In fact, I’m almost sure they did it (at least when they were both drunk)... You never know...It’s a big temptation...