Th_Th said on March 5, 2003 13:25:

The other day I watched the Live-ISM Dvd again and at the end, Per and Marie give very positive comments about each member in the team. But when it comes to each other, they didn’t have to say one good thing about each other! Marie even said, she wouldn’t tour again in the next 10 years and Per can not hit any notes!
Per didn’t have to say anything positive about Marie either.
They must have gotten on each others nerves a lot during that tour.

annaG said on March 5, 2003 15:44:

when they say these negative things about each other in the end of Live-ism, don’t you hear them laughing?!?!?!?!?!?!?

I can just imagine how they were sitting next to each other, talking about all the band members first and then they started to say absolute nonsense things about each other, don’t take everything so serious!

Hotblooded said on March 6, 2003 01:52:

They were only joking around.

Th_Th said on March 6, 2003 13:25:

Max-Top:
Are you psychic or what? ;-) Those are exactly my thoughts! :-)
And I just can not understand fans saying, that Per and Marie are best friends and they are like brothers and sisters. If you watch just a view things more closely, you see, that this isn’t so. They have got a more business relationship, I would think.
A fan here in Ireland even mentioned to me, that during one of the last concerts in Ireland, Marie spillt some water and said: “shit”. She didn’t say it into the Microphone, but still, it was heard for the first row. Well, no body cared, but Per gave her such a nasty look for doing that.

I also think, they took some advantage od this not so serious situation, to actually say the things they really mean about each other. Well, Per even said, that he couldn’t get rid of Anders Herlin, as he was with him in GT and now he is in Roxette. I think those were serious words in a joking way...

Max-Tob said on March 6, 2003 14:42:

@Th_Th
I think that thoughts that me and you have just said are really obvious...nothing too hard to explain, that’s why we’re on the same wave...I also think that most people here don’t like the idea of P and M not being close friends, so they just try to “cover” somehow the lack of the facts that might show their great feelings for each other. You are one of the very few persons here that are very honest and straight about the music and persons of those who all love (in our specific ways: e.g. some of us, esp. girls write fun fictions - which I don’t understand but I have to respect them also; some of us can’t stand to say that P and M are not in such a good human relation - which could be also true and so on). But I noticed that you’re very honest about Roxette related things...I mean, c’mon people, someone said that couldn’t stand Marie’s voice in a certain concert in Peru and everybody was shocked and said to that person to “f**ck off”...I think some of us have a problem with not being able to state negative things about P and M! If you are a fan it doesn’t mean that you’re blind!...Of course I think that Marie has a very good voice in the concerts, but if that story told by Th_Th with “shit” not really in the microphone, but still heard in the front row is true, than we should accept that, maybe, she didn’t do her best for the show in Peru...Maybe she wasn’t in the mood and, of course, as we know him, Per would be very upset about Marie being less interested in a certain show...About P’s voice in the concert we all know how the things works...His voice is not very strong and he can’t run all over the stage and sing well in the same time, ’cos he loses his voice very fast...though he’s good in acoustic moments...

So, coming back to our topic, I suppose M and P had some problems with standing each other which I think are far more complicated than we can imagine with very little information that we have...Maybe Micke tried to stop Marie to sing with Roxette (or, if I want to be “mean”, I’d rather say “for” Roxette...meaning that Per has a little bit more to do with Roxette behind the stage...)...But Marie is still in Roxette, and we don’t know for sure what could be her reasons...I suppose that her friendship with Per is not the first one on the list...Or is it?...Hard to say...
That thing about Anders...well, maybe is true...or maybe is not...we can’t figure it out...
But I remember an interview from ’92 when Marie said that she wanted a break (it was about her solo project “Den standinga...”) because she didn’t want to be a puppet anymore!!!!!! And that affirmation explains a lot!!!!! Maybe she felt that she was used somehow...or “exploited”... I mean, just think about it - Per had his girl with him everywhere, so he probably felt ok from all points of view. But Marie had to break up with many of her boyfriends because of her work (esp. because of that long tour). Imagine: emotions of being in the front of Roxette all the time on the stage, being the “face”, being “alive” all the time, supporting the fans and so on... It’s obvious it wasn’t easy for her...but it was, in a way, easier for Per...
Saying that CBB tour and RS tour were more relaxed, they just stated that Marie had a big support in her husband and daughter and she felt ok...
A relaxed tour /vs. a tensioned tour was, in fact, the difference between Marie being alone and not very interested in singing well and being on stage anymore, and Marie being with her family and feeling a psychological support.
It is very possible that the fights between P and M to grow from here...P wanted more, but M couldn’t give without being REALLY motivated. P was, in a way, the lucky one...On the other hand, I’m sure Per is the one who kept Roxette alive... There’s still much to say about this, but I’m curious about your opinions, guys...
@Th_th: All the best! Keep being mature and objective!

Th_Th said on March 6, 2003 15:24:

I remember an interview in which Marie actually admitted, that she was close of comitting suicide after the Joyride tour. (I wish I would remember the link...) so, from this point of view, it would make only sense, that Maries later husband would have had encouraged her maybe to stop singing for Roxette, because he was the one that saw the real Marie, what she felt like, and what the Tour and Roxette had done to her. (I am not saying that anyone withing Roxette did anything bad to Marie... I hope you Guys understand how I mean this.) Marie met her husband at the end of the Joyride Tour in Australia, so he would be the only Person beside Marie, who would really know what she was going through, all we know is, it must have been a lot she was going through. Otherwise she would have not considered of finishing her life. But this is something we, as just normal fans, will never know.
I would also believe that Per at times really pushes Marie, as for per Roxette was always Number one in every single way, but for Marie, it never seemed to be the most important thing in life really.
I think Per and Marie have got a business relationship. You know, I have got work mates, that I get along with at work, to be honest with you, especially this one Person, I don’t like this person at all, but we get along, we can have a laugh, and when our team would go out for a dinner, we would all have a great time, but in my personal spare time, I would never have anything to do with that Person, it is all just Business. To me, Pers and Maries relationship seems to be quite similar. Maybe not as much today, but it sure was like that during Roxette’s first 3 Studio Albums...
Max-Tob: nice to see that I am not the only one that thnks similar about this subject, as I would have been flamed by most fans for such opinions usually.
Why flame someone for having their own opinion anyway??

Roxeanne: I do believe that Per thinks highly about Maries talent in singing. I think, that he thinks, she is one of the Worlds best singers and performers. But he also thinks, her songs and own personal music is not that great really. Sure, he said himself: Marie just doesn’t write potential top 40 hits. Marie always said, she loves Per talent to write a big hit within like no time. But she doesn’t think that he is the greatest singer. I mean, she said about him, he doesn’t hit any note when singing knocking on heavens door live, and all of us that have seen it, have to admit, that this statment is so true. I suppose in this way, they really complete each other.

GTiG said on March 6, 2003 17:27:

@ Marre: Thank god someone here seem to have some good sence. I mean, ofcourse Per and Marie can’t absolutely love each other 24h/day, 365days/year, year in and year out...
I honestly think that everybody have had some argue with their friends some times, and even gotten kind of tired of eash other some times to.

So what is it that is so strange about Per and Marie having some differences some times? They hare only humans you know... and keep in mind, they are best friends who some periods of times spend more time togehter than they do with their own families. Ofcourse you get tired of one another from time to time then. I would...

harriej said on March 6, 2003 18:35:

It is already quite a while ago and roxette is still here. If they really hated each other, they would not have been in the same band for so long.
so the answer is NO.

Hotblooded said on March 7, 2003 01:37:

A lot of Marie’s suicide thoughts were due to her personal life not so much Roxette although that was probably the reason her personal life suffered but she loved being on stage and it was when she was a lone that she hurt the most.

I think Per & Marie really have a brother/sister relationship and to think that they hate each other is rediculous! My God they have been doing this for almost 25 years now (roxette and other stuff) so if they hated each other it would never have gone on this long. Of course they have their up and down periods but there is a bond there that I feel will never be broken, just look how down Per has been since the news of Marie if he didn’t care he’d be out promoting and not giving a shit about Marie, well that’s my 2cents ;)

Max-Tob said on March 7, 2003 07:35:

@SolensVaen: Good friends and very good workmates are 2 different things. As you’ve been agreed with Th_Th regarding the difficulty of meating workmates in your spare time, it doesn’t mean that it’s correct to say P and M are workmates AND close friends, but they don’t hang on together because they’ve seen each other too much already while working. I mean if you have a laugh and lunch with your mates, as Th_Th said, doesn’t mean they are your friends - it just shows that you are good colleagues and nice people...Nobody would be that stupid (well, only some of us) to maintain a cold atmosphere at his/her workplace...SO, you don’t go out with your mates FIRSTLY because they are NOT your real friends, and not because you’ve seen a lot of them...Of course the last reason is also very strong, but very good friends feel they don’t have a good time without having the other one around when there’s a big time...So, P and M are VERY GOOD colleagues, but not very good friends...
@Roxeanne and the others: Of course every friendship has its ups and downs, even more, every relationship has ups and downs...even a work relation... I suppose there was a time (loong time ago, anyway) when P and M used to be good friends, but once the professionalism is strongly required and the human relationships are getting weaker, they remained only good colleagues...They are not stupid, they know what a good work environement means...Roxette survived not because their great friendship, but because their professionalism which involves, of course, good or very good human relationships...You can’t stay with people you can’t stand. Don’t flame me! I still have an observation to make that may like you (in other words, there’s still a BUT): since they are working for such a long time together and they have been certainly good friends in the beginning, they shaped their workstyles together...They know each other so well (professionaly, of course) and a kind of connection is born between people that work together more than 10 years...You feel you can’t do it in the same way with someone else...Is about being dependent upon a certain style of work and knowing very well what to ask and what not to ask from the other one (the same works in a factory for example, or in a hospital between a doctor and a good assistent)...I’m sure P has his tricks to make Marie stay two more hours in the studio instead going home at playing with her children...She is, we have to admit, pushed by P, in a way...
...But talking about their “BIG” friendship...hmm...is hard to say. And one more thing! When they stress the importance of their brother/sister relationship they don’t put the accent upon their unbreakable and so close connection, but upon NOT BEING LOVERS...Theis statement is NOT BOYFRIEND, BUT BROTHER. NOT GIRLFRIEND, BUT SISTER. Because everybody ask what’s going on between two mature people that stay that long together, they can explain in two ways: they sleep together or they get along so well because they are like brother and sister. I personally don’t believe that much in this brother-sister relation, but since we don’t have other information, we have to believe what it is told to us...So, I don’t think they are such good friends...They are, in a way, a family, of course, but don’t go too far...

About the image being constructed by the Media: Well, what can I say?...I am in this business for a couple of years and I know how it works... If you’d ask me, I’d say P and M don’t have the kind of fame that was constructed ESPECIALLY by the Media...I mean they are not necessarely a MEDIA CONSTRUCT...Their image, like every public image, depend upon media, but is not exclusively related to them (They are not Madonna or Lopez or other VIPS that are in so close relationship with media)...So, as long as they themselves constructed this kind of image FOR being given to the media, yes, we must admit that we know only things that media manage respectably...but if you say that media constucted an image FOR them, I won’t agree. I’d rather say that we’ll never know the things they don’t want us to know...They will not let media involved in their private decisions...and Per himself is a very wise cat...He’ll not tell you too much... he prefer to tell you stupid little nice things, but not too much about their real relationship...I’d say that ROXETTE themselves constructed the image of brother/sister relationship and the legendary connection between them...Which could be, in fact, only “ordinary” good sense, wisdom, proffessional devotion and good old smell of REAL music business that Per always had...and, of course, that human natural connection that always stands when a woman works so close with a man...(they don’t really hate each other in a way in which two men or two women would have done it...).
Well, I think that’s all...for the moment.

Max-Tob said on March 7, 2003 10:23:

@Th_Th, related to your last statements:
Well, maybe P and M are not thinking that much about how they should behave with each other and people around them (like Asa, like Micke, like relatives and good friends) are primarly interested in things to be in a CERTAIN way, and not in the other...In this case, I think any effort to think clearly and objective about the type of their relationship (even having only a few information, or, rather, “official” information about it) could be helpful...It would be hilarious to say that P and M just (eagerly!!!) wait for the stupid fans to “solve” their relationship ups and downs and they do exactly how we told them to do, but I’m sure these discussions are not pointless...P and M are at least able to see what the exact effect of their type of “constructing” their image really worked among the fans...I mean they can get a picture! If P reads certain comments from The Daily that regards, let’s say, his way of behaving with fans or other matters that are related to Roxette, it would be a stupid mistake for him not to adjust his discours taking the remakes of the fans into account. Adjusting one’s statements to the ones who recept them is one of the gold-rules of communication...So, is not bad for them to see those things...They are not too indiscrete...They are about how Roxette manage their clean image - what it works and what it doesn’t; what is believed and what is not...
So, I suppose it wouldn’t be useless to write these commentaries...
Th_Th, I totally agree with your lines.

regn said on March 7, 2003 10:53:

...I think they are just FRIENDS(friends are the part of your family that you could CHOOSE!!!)...And they very Mature ( Their world success comes when they’re close to 30’) They’re NOT like Gallager’s brothers(thanx lord;-) ) just watch their interviews they respect the word of each other etc.... so whats the problem here???

Th_Th said on March 7, 2003 11:02:

There is no problem here at all mate. Just a discussing going on, which I found to be really interesting and I think max-tob did too. ;-)

Th_Th said on March 7, 2003 14:42:

Twillight:
This weekend I am going to write down exactly word for word what they said, I will post it asap! ;-)
Or does someone have got the chance to do it right now?

Max-Tob said on August 29, 2005 10:50:

Gee, I did use to write much back in 2003...lol...

@sparv.: well, Per didn’t mean it. He wanted a kid of his own back then, that was all. He was a bit jelous and, after all, he never really enjoyed parents’ behaviour. These things are simply not in his blood.

Sparvogamarie said on August 30, 2005 05:56:

Max-Tob: you think Per was jealous because he wanted a child? I never thought of that. I always got the impression he didn’t want kids. He often said stuff like “Roxette is my baby, I don’t need another one.” I always thought Åsa finally got desperate and talked him into it (or threatened...!)

Sparvogamarie said on August 30, 2005 08:29:

LOL Max-Tob that’s exactly what I thought happened. I imagine after MF had Josefin, Åsa started nagging and Per was probably pretty annoyed with Marie for having a kid and reminding Åsa of what she wanted, then she started being a pain in the ass and wanting time off from Roxette! Then after Oscar came along...I bet Åsa really started kicking Per’s butt that MF had two and they had none!

Katya said on September 2, 2005 14:41:

I am not sure whether it was a Really Roxette interview with Marie, but still there was one where she spoke quite open-hearted about their relationship with Per starting from the time when they got acquainted. And there were some things she meant very clearly: that in the mid 90s they no longer were close friends (she especially compared it with the before Roxette time) because of the constant work and pressure that it created. She didn’t blame anyone or any circumstances, but she said “I am sorry for that friendship that is now lost”.

It doesn’t meant of course that they hated each other. I’d rather say they were somewhat tired of each other, and that business relationship had ousted the warmth in a way.

Kathrin said on September 2, 2005 20:55:

In RR Docu Marie also said that she missed that friendship of theyrs!

lawyer said on September 6, 2005 20:19:

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AURYTE said on September 14, 2005 18:47:

Marie invited only her closest friends and her family to the weddings. There were also rumours that Per and Marie had a fight between each other at that time.

morning_star said on September 22, 2005 04:10:

Re: the wedding It’s a bit weird Marie didn’t invite Per, regardless of what the fight was about.

BadMoon said on September 24, 2005 13:22:

as Auryte has already said ’Marie invited only her closest friends and her family to the wedding’ ...not her lovers... ;)

ChristaK said on September 24, 2005 20:00:

BadMoon...HAHAHAHA :DDD u hit the point...fantastic coment...