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Which of You are thinking of Leaving this place?

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I am not meaning to sound mean, but hey... what happened to TDR?

No, I am not talking about the new look, I’m all over it as much as I am still missing the old face. Well, give and take.

This place is like so dead now, less and less posts which longer intervals of new reply everday. I still remember, 3 years ago that i used to post everyday and by the time I logged in the next day, there was like 6-7 new topics made. People were free to share views on things and yes, we mostly talk about roxette. We do argue about things but after a while the things just dies out and sizzle. People make friends again.

From most of the post that I read recently, most people are not happy with the way the mods are doing their job. Locking threads deemed to be offensive, putting on replies that reflects way down intellect of what I expect from a mod and more so on neglecting the sentiment of a few people.

Well, maybe this post will be locked but if that hapens I am so not surprised. Please, your statisctics shows that less and less people are visiting. If you are ignorant of why, it’s time for a self reflection.

To repeat myself; if you don’t like it here, feel free to find new territory.
People may not be happy about us moderators, because people simply don’t behave anymore. Things have almost gotten out of hand, that’s why we moderators are tougher. The statistics show nothing out of the ordinary, and where else on the Net will you find Rox news this hot and fresh?

No, I’m not thinking of leaving this place.

Your reply mirrors exactly what I meant. I’ve been rereading a lot of your replies tevensso, and most are not so nice. Is this they way, you as people of higher authority act?

The people here kept the community alive. And we have been here long, long way back. I can still remember the lovely green hues and If I still remember it a bit longer the, the newspaper style theme (ala Look Sharp! if I am not mistaken).

A few years back, Lars archived one of my post for very solid reason, and I didn’t question his act. In fact I said sorry. But the way he handled the thing with such courtesy and humility astounds me.

If you want people to talk about Roxette, then just do so. What do you expect with a place which is titled ’OffTopic’ where we can ’Talk about your world, your love, your life... about anything.’? You tell me.

You lost me now.

“From most of the post I read recently, most people are not happy with the way the mods are doing their job”

And then read Thomas’ answer.

The amount of topics we close now is not higher than the ones we closed 1 year ago, the only thing I have seen that has changed is that more and more people think that for the mere fact of having a “moderator” tag next to your name, one is a target to be attacked and bashed, commented against etc etc. One has a limit of patience and well, we NOW answer back. There have always been some rules to follow, people used to accept them, until we got to the point we had to write them down because people seemed to (want to) forget them more and more often and have fun by trying to provoke us. There is more to tell, but I oh, why to waste the time.

It’s not the first time we’ve been this close to call it a day. It might just happen one day because it’s simply not a funny and nice hobby anymore.
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If I am a new user here, say 1-2 years membership period: then maybe you can assume I was typing my post based on the intention to blame. But I’ve been here long enough, way long. The only reason that I was absent for a long time was when my interest fizzled after Roxette started to churn out the same old repackaged greatest hits over and over again. So that’s it. Then The Change and SOAP came out and I started to visit the page again.

Now, just look at the most common element that is being discussed in this TDR Discussion Forum: what is it for none other than censorship and modding. These has never become a big issue before and trust me I never have problem with mods in my history of being a TDR member. At least accept my seniority as an old member to begin with as I don’t start this topic merely to bash.

And no, I don’t target the mods just because you have a tag to it.

Actually I was very surprised that some fans are very vocal about Roxette, which was a resurgence of different views from what I read years back: where people seem to worship and praise every element that is Roxette, Marie and Per. I like the changing TDR. You know what, at that time I knew it’s gonna be interesting that people have woke up. Yup.

Well, I ain’t gonna leave.

When a hobby starts to become more and more a unloved duty than a joy one will quit. And I’d regret the loss of the No. 1 source of information about my favourite artists.

Obviously, people need to be supervised. And if one could blame the moderators, then for not having been stricter in the past. All were used to “the long line” they walked with. Now the line is shorter (for good reasons) and of course, most complain. It’s all a matter of actio and reactio.

It’s the tone the music consists of. And this has become most unpleasant. My wish to the mods is to keep their reactions and replies friendlier and follow one route strictly. My wish to the community is to start acting reasonable and not like a bunch of kiddies.

I really don’t like this new version. I’m sorry guys. But, TDR is really DEAD now!!!

So LEAVE! I personally am really sick of hearing how shitty TDR is, if you don’t like it don’t hang around... It can’t be simpler than that.

Thank you Krischan, for your words.

I’m not leaving. Why? Well, as tevensso put it, where else can one find the latest info on Roxette stuff? Type “Roxette” in Google News, and 90% of the articles that pop up are from the Daily Roxette. This place is a very valuable resource, guys! Their first and foremost obligation is to get the word out about any Per/Marie/Rox news as quickly and as accurately as possible, not to mollycoddle people or cater to everyone’s whims.

I think that a lot of people have “left” TDR because they’re tired of reading people complain about the new look of the place, and the general air of negativity going around the boards. Per himself has had how many haircuts and facelifts, and he’s still the same musical genius that everone loves–but TDR goes and gets a facelift of its own, and it’s not the same place anymore? C’mon.

“Où sont mes pantalons?”

TDR isn’t dead. The forum might be visibly dying off, but the newspaper side isn’t...if the mod’s stuck with that side, and shut down the forum, it might be better that way.

Meddle not in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and good with ketchup...

’Even if I am in love with you. All this to say, what’s it to you?’

I agree, whateverian. The newspaper side is not dead and, after the change, I like it more than before. We users have killed the forum with our own stupidness and arrogant attitude. I understand the mods reactions. Sorry if I’ve also been too arrogant or stupid sometimes here.

I sometimes think that people are much too serious about things. I agree with Thomas about the fact that “if you don’t like it here you can go and leave”. Nobody holds you back. And topics like this one won’t change anything either. So the discussion is a bit useless IMHO.

Speaking for myself I can say that I still check the page several times a day for news but nearly never read in the forum since the layout changed. I don’t know if it’s because the layout changed or not. But I never *thought* about it until I came across this topic by accident.

And for the moderators: Keep the work doing you do at the moment. If you changed anything ppl would complain again. So stick to it. I think you’re doing a great job and I agree with Krischan about the “being a bit friendlier” thing.

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fabian you are so right... tdr is so dead nowadays. No one seems to care...people are leaving. Even off-topic is very quiet what a pity.

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Yeepppp ,some people want TDRs death.

But if some people have the courage to see the truth and when (if) mods fix bugs and change the bad look everything will go back to normal,cos we see that others forums didn’t fade as TDR.

and YES—TDR Discussions is more “popular” now than Offtopic.

Wonder why?

OK, I tried not to post a reply to this topic cause I don’t wanna get the fire burning more. So let’s leave it like it is. That’s why it was such a long time since I responded to more posts.

Anyway, I went to visit Run to Roxette forum recently and much to my surprise, things are more heated up over there. Maybe people are more careful of the things that they post here. Strangely, in RTR, there are still threads about mp3 links (to demos mostly) and the topics have been going on for weeks with no locking. And much more surprising that some of the TDR moderators are also the mods there (If I am correct). Hmm...

Does the policy of TDR is very different then RTR? If Roxette management is furious over song leaks, I can tell them that it can happened anywhere: other forum, bittorent and hell... just by googling (recapping the One wish and reveal revealing).

Those mods are providing us with news about Roxette and trying to build a rox community for years now. While the group is not that active anymore those mods are still active. Like you mentioned before, the daily roxette went through a lot of changes, and people complained all the time. But now that Roxette is having a “break” some of you just complaining about everything, as you don’t anything to talk about anymore.
Just to remind you it is not the mods job, it is a hobby, and they are fans as we are but they have to be more objective. And I know that some of their replys are not too nice but that is quite understandable. Just try to think of being in there position and everybody is complaining.Tobe honest I would have quit a long time before I was in their position and somehow I did,i am reading this site but don’t write anymore. The reason should be quite obvious,
Maybe we can change this topic and saying “Thank You” for the mods’ engagement and the great job they did through all the years. What would Roxette be without them?

Well said RoXoR!!!

All the negativity in here is driving people away. I must admit, I haven’t been leaving that many comments recently because I don’t want to join the whole ’let slag TDR off for the 1,543,752th time’

I’m just hoping that when there is a new full album the people which have left here, come back. I do miss the old TDR when the were constantly replies to threads, and new ones being started all the time. But you’ve just gotta live with it!

I do still come by every single day though, just to be nosey! :-)

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For once I never wish for its death. If I am, I would never have posted here again. That never was my original intenttion, I dunno why it was taken in that way.

The problem is, if people like me started to give some feedback that is rather unpleasant, some people might interpert that as ungrateful, whining or plain complaining. But are all feedbacks supposed to be about positive things? You get comments and you analyse and interact with them. Not just plain dishing them away.

We all know that there are two sides of roxette fan that posts here: one that really airs his/her views, sometimes really honest that some people can’t really take the revelation. The other one is the optimistic type, thanking for all the roxette stuff coming (rather than none at all, right?) but somehow a bit disappointed with a few things, but kept silent in denial (need I say, the 3rd repackaged greatest hits yet again?) If my descriptions are wrong, then ignore them.

And for the record, this is the first time in my TDR history of creating a topic of this sort.. And I am a Roxette fan.

RoXoR

We are not here from yestarday ,and Roxette and co were in worste situations.
But TDR forum never was in such bad shape.
That’s the simple fact.
Don’t think that we are ungrateful idiots just cos we pointing some probs.

Be honest and say if you like or not the new “look”. Give us a link to a world famous music band forum with such “look” and “possibilities” .
Read again what have said fabian and take a look on sonofaplumber gyllenetider and marie forums.
Don’t you see the difference????

Tell me that you didn’t see any bugs and improvident things in new forum and i’ll understand why you wrote it.

If it was a hobby why they bother to change the working layout??
Why changing and old but working VHS player to maybe new but not good looking and not well working VHS player .
Especially when everybody use DVD player???

Emil__BG, I know your feeling just by reading your ” why we can’t edit our post?” topic.

It’s hard when you are misunderstood. But well, we have been here way long to know how different it was.

well said fabian
We are here from long time and never complain about anything ,,,,but now it just doesn’t work..
You are really Roxette fan cos you care about these forums.
People who doesn’t care and only read from time to time forums or want but don’t feel comfortable to write here from few weeks —all these people if here no change ,unfortunately soon we leave it forever..

And people who want the death of TDR are the ones who wanted TDR to be only “one news page ” wonder.

“tdr disscusiion ” forum by default can’t be only about good things.

PS :
fabian
sorry for answering in your topic.I’ll try to not replay .Didn’t wanted to start fire again ,but was pissed
off in that moment..
if i could i would edit my post..

But this is not about Roxette that is about TDR, the only way to get fresh information about the group we like, about people who invest a lot of time to make interviews to support Roxette and us. It is something different if you discuss about One Wish or Reveal.
I admit that the new forum is not that colourful but about the edit button, hmm, you can’t edit if someone has already replied, what’s wrong with it?
But that the forum is not that busy anymore, well, the same happens to every other forum about roxette as well, but hey, there are not that many news right now and topics are discussed trice, but that is ok, there will be times when the forum gets busier again. But think about what would happen when Roxette or Per or Marie are making a new CD but Thomas or Judith decides to quit because they are sick and tired of spending free-time and providing us with news because a lot of peolpe are complaining...
I don’t want to offend anyone, that is just my oppinion.

Fabio: “And much more surprising that some of the TDR moderators are also the mods there (If I am correct). Hmm...”

I wonder why you have to go around with indications instead of writing things as they are. It’s not “some of the TDR moderators” but just one: yes, I am a moderator at R2R. Exactly in the Marie Fredriksson forum because Jorge asked me if I wanted to be one, I accepted. I cannot moderate other forums over there. He is the owner of the website and the forum and he decides the rules. I moderate the forum according to his rules. I am tied to the management and Roxette’s rules when I moderate in Roxette.se/SOAP.com forum as the site belongs to them and they decide on the rules. And I follow the rules on TDR as we (owner and staff) have decided them to be. Nothing more nothing less. Cannot be too hard to understand ;)

Regarding feedback: many took the time to send us (negative) feedback (thanks!) to improve the new website and we have changed many things as well, but whatever we do, it will never be enough for some (luckily, a minority). Guess now I understand Per’s comment back in September. And I don’t even spend so much time and money on TDR as Visa does. To tell the truth, if I would be in his position TDR would not be anymore. This is not a paid service and we do it because we want to and (used to) have fun with it. Now it only makes us sad, disappointed and pissed off. Do you think one would go on much longer like this?

Do you think it’s normal the only thing we expect to reading these days are the negative comments people have posted on here? (Both about TDR and about Roxette & Co and anything else). This is what makes people leave, if there is anybody who has left at all, as I don’t see that in the logs, I could imagine they are sick and tired of so much negativity and fights because this is what makes us TDR-staff want to leave as well. So yes, leave if you don’t like it here and only have your bitterness to spread around and let those who still want to have a good time in here enjoy their time here. I don’t go to places I don’t like either, why should I?

So now it’s out. There is just one thing missing, one of my favourite sentences by Marie ;)
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When talking loudly about “giving feedback” and tell the staff to accept it, I wonder why most have forgotten about the rules of feedback completely. So why would they surrender to the rules of accepting feedback then, as you demand?

It does seem kind of dead at the moment, but i think this is more to do with the lack of happenings in ’rox world’ at the moment, rather than the change of design. I’m sure it will liven up a bit when there is a new Per/Marie/SOAP/Rox release. I dont visit as much either at the moment, but thats mainly because i dont think there will be much to discuss.

“So now it’s out. There is just one thing missing, one of my favourite sentences by Marie ;)”

Get a life? ;-D
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TDR is not dead. Personally I find it very useful and informative. That’s the reason why this site has been my starting page since ever. Maybe the forum is not so active as it used to be but we have to face the fact that there are many other forums. I don’t take part in TDR discussions as I’m an active member of the Polish Fansite and I find it enough.

hey guys, who is dead? this is my favourite newspaper. one of the few places on the web which i visit daily. So far I have been just a reader, now i try to be more active. From my point of view, this site and the forum are wonderful places in which we can share our love for the two Swedes. Thank you guys, whoever you are!

I think that TDR is the greatest place on the www and the Mods are doing a great Job!

Hello!

How are you ladies and gentlemen? Hope you guys are doing fine!

Well, i believe that the underlying issue is the fact that many members might be feeling as though they cannot express their opinons and thoughts more freely, either because some members will use destructive criticism against other members opinions and also because i believe moderators tend to limit how much members can express themselves concerning some topics they may regard as sensitive or explosive.

Concerning the sensitive topics, i believe that moderators should only archive topics that are completely insulting, desrespctful or misplaced. I don’t see why topics that lead to heated discussions should be archived. However, as i said before, if the topic is hijacked to be used as a platform to incite destructive criticism, then by all means that thread should be archived, or better yet, if possible, a mechanism that blocks members from posting or even entereing in the threads that they have been acting in non approppriate behavior. This, way, only the members that know how to handle themselves properly in a civilized setting would be able to go on with their discussions. Futhermore, as a result, the problem of members being turned off by negativism and destructive critcism would be ended or greatly reduced and therefore, members would be more willing to participate again as they used to in the past.

Moderators, i really appreciate your hard work and effort to keep this place alive and well. I wish you all luck, wisdom and open-mindedness. Also, to close this reply off, i would suggest that you be whenever possible more friendly by engaging in reponses that are more polite and diplomatic even though i know that it’s a tough balacing act when one reads so many negative posts. However, remember, i beliebe that since you agreed to be part of TDR as a moderator, you’d expect to deal with a range of not pleasent responses or issues. Be well!! :-)

Alright roxers and non roxers, time for me to turn off the keyboard!

Take care!
Carlos E., New York.

Just wanna say that there no conection between negative comments about new look of TDR or moderators behaviour and negative comments about Roxette ,Per or RoxBox for example.
(unless Per is TDR -moderator ;-)))
Maybe we didn’t like the exact tracklist of RoxBox ,but it’s still a masterpiece and it’s better than older Greatest hits packages.
And all the cd’s and dvd’s work properly.
I personnaly already bought 2 RoxBoxes.

Seems like MANY people DID Fabian :(
off-topic is totally dead.

Well maybe moderators got what they wanted.

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Yeah it is very slow around here. But there hasn’t been any news for over 2 weeks and there is nothing coming up (except the Reveal release) that there is to talk about as far as things happening in the Rox world.

I’m sure once some news breaks things will pickup.

except the Reveal release
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the forum was much more alive even when we hadn’t new single to talk about..

and the offtopics is also slow..

No people ,no problems :-(

ok time for me to get into this, firstly to the mods dont get so thoroughly offended by this post, yes some are associating the heavyhandedness of what happened post track sharing on this site to you guys, but alot of peole didn’t understand the impact it had till after, when both per and marie obviously had no interest in promoing anything, and yes thats partly the fans fault. bBut, as of late, it seems tdr’s own contacts with rox managemen seem non-existent, where release info and promotional info stem from sources independent from tdr. Noones claiming you guys can be everywhere all the time, that’s just stupid. i post here alot less becasu freedom of thought has taken a back seat to political correctnss and an endorsed amount of bashing because it’s popular to do so and it isn’t moderated until someone points it out, even if it is. So, that’s my 2 cents

Thank you. There is no news at the moment. Per is still in the US and while we keep in contact there’s really not much to say right now.

The only reason why I still come here now and then, is because this website is still a reliable source for Roxette-news.
The recent layout-change however has done a lot to chase me away.
If an other Roxette-site happens to have the same news as TDR, and as reliable as TDR, I am leaving this place. It used to be my favourite website, but it is not anymore.

It must have been love, but it’s over now....

The only thing I don’t like is that some people always have to have Revenge!
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why do people not like the moderators?? I really don’t understand this. Personally I love this site and the users and the moderators. Can’t we all just get along people? PLEASE!!

PS. Tevensso, if you r reading this, i want you to know that you are my favorite moderator! You have always been so helpful, so THANKYOU!!

The only reason I’m still here is because this site contains
the latest roxette related news. I don’t post so often, maybe
I don’t have so much free time as I used to have in the past years.
And perhaps I’m tired of reading the same topics over and over
again.

On the other hand, the Look and Feel is very very amateur,
diferent fonts and sizes, colours don’t fit, very badly designed.

I’ll never understand how can a professional site turned into this.

I will never leave this place

I would agree 1000%...the moderators NEED BLINDFOLDS...and they need to stick to the REALITY of things...rather they decide to be UNREALISTIC....and just either erase posts that are NOT of their liking...well as I have said before INVEST IN BLINDFOLDS

sylviah it’s time to learn that there is more than one reality besides your own. Thank you for the pdf file the other day, but it’s clear that you valued only your agenda (no matter how noble your intentions might have been)... and you forgot that there are certain systems in place for a reason. Nontheless, your determination is admirable!

Please do not bite the hand that feeds - the staff at TDR are doing a fantastic job to inform the rox-community and have only followed the rules as agreed upon by yourself - you would not have had the privaledge of typing the above message if you did not hit the ’accept’ button for the disclaimer!

I suggest you sit back and enjoy the latest offerings of the two ppl in the picture on the top right-hand corner of this page, and know that your efforts were not in total vain. You’ve learned a lot, but try a course in patience and tolerance too!

Kind regards,

purplemedusa

I agree with you, but never would I stand for speaking out a LIE...for years I did so many things “just for the hell of it” and while the ones getting “paid” for were doing nothing! Then you get bored...and eventually pissed off when “reality bites” and just doing things because they have meaning...it just freaks people out...because it makes you a powerful person because of integrity and honor.

Fabian : you are right. People don’t visit this site that often anymore. The reason is obvious: Roxette is dead and Per Gessle has -for many fans- fallen due to his RoxBox-comments.

Somehow can’t deny mods are more strict now. Must have a reason somehow, but as always it’s painful to see the well behaving punished for the behaviour of a few *ssholes.

Well said P-p-p-pelle!!!
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The mod’s are stricter now? Well, maybe they have to be, following the ’incidents’ that took place when One Wish and Reveal were released last September. Do people not remember that?

I can imagine that it must have been very close to being the end of TDR back then.

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Admittedly i don’t visit this site as frequently as i use to,i’ve got nothing bad to say about the site or the mods,they do an exellent job & keep things in order.As previously stated these people (the mods)only run this site as a hobby (unpaid) and doesn’t deserve any flack whatsoever.

if i may say something, almost 1year after the last reply.
the reason i feel that TDR and even other forums like this (even though in my opinion, TDR is the best) are “dead” is cuz of the fans. “we” are getting older and people maybe gettin tired out of roxette cuz of their age, and we need fresh young blood in there that have the time and energy for this stuff.
hopefully im wrong? But i do see it alot in my friends they grow out of roxette.

Yes i did like the old forum better (but just the colours), but everything was better when i was younger, ice-cream tasted better and tv was better etc etc.

and is it just me, or do people not analyze things as they used too? i used to see alot of talk about tiny tim and all that, what happened?
I honestly feel that the forum it self is great, it’s just us fans that have lost interest in the site or even maybe Roxette?

I don’t think it has to do with young or old blood. The point is there’s nothing new to comment on. New fans (that you call young blood) that come into the forum usually start threads like “What’s you favourite Roxette song?” or “When is Roxette going to tour again?” And that kind of topics bore the ’old fans’, that have been replying to that kind of questions for ages.

As soon as there’s news about a new album (even Per/Marie solo) the interest raise again. But at the moment there’s not much to say.I don’t think the TWATG re-release with a bunch of demos is enough to catch everybody’s attention. The announcement of a new Roxette album would be a very different scenario.

excuse me fabian, but i dont have very good interpersonal skills so im just gonna tell you how it is....

are you a - idiot???? yes people its big bad konstpaus!!!!! start haiting again
anyway fabian last time i checked the last REAL Lp. roxette done was room service back in 2001 if you wanna call it a real lp seem HAND killed it in so many ways. any way since the RS era there has been a total of 3 greatest hits lps with 2 new songs on them each with a few extra songs on the BH & PH eps cos most people had herd stupid and better off on her own on other cds

then the rox box which the only real new song was Myth so you tell me..... what are tev, lars, judith ect. ment to report on? “i saw per at a 711 at 2am buying a pack of chips and a bottle of coke” is that wat you want?

since rox broke up/ took a break or whatever we have had mazarin, en handig man, soap, finn 5 fel, the change ect. and so what. it is not roxette news its rox related - which last time i checked better than nothing at all.

how do you expect to read new roxette news when there is no roxette news to report on? or do you want some papiratzzi shit going dow like tev following per around 24/7 just to post wether the shirt he bought yesturday was georgio amarni or D&G?

every rox fan should know that Per Gessle HAS NO OFF BUTTON you will get new songs dunno what they will be? english? swedish? who knows? and marie? well if id had a brain tumor id say - It! and put my feet up! let alone sing and record again! hell she dont need the money! think yourself lucky you got one wish or reveal i know i do, hey i didnt expect nothing at all! so if marie wants to do another rox long player Respect, but its not our desision, its hers

to sum this up all i can say if you dont like it, go some where else and try find some new roxette news, didnt some one say google it and all youll get is TDR???? or hang on maybe you can ring EMI svenska AB every day and get put through to marie dimberg.... im sure she will get straight back to you......NOT!!!!!!!!!

sorry guys to write a novel but its people like this who will one day be responsable for the moderators to say....- this! I dont Need this shit!
im sure they all work full time and lead real busy lives and the last thing thay wanna do when they get home is updade a website, let alot have some kid-brain dissing their non profit “hobby” which is really more work than its sometimes worth.

TDR, KEEP GOIN STRONG YOU HAVE MY SUPPORT!!!!!

BRAD, AUSTRALIA

if i didnt make it clear earlier in my other post, i do looooove TDR! i’d never leave this place, ever. i truly do belive and know that the admin ppl are working their butts off just too make this site, as far as i know, on their own time, not getting paid?.

Ive gotten too know soooo many people via this forum that i aboslutely love! Each and everyone of them, they are the main reason i stil love Roxette as much as i do.

but what i do feel still is that, there are loads of stuff 2 discuss that people don’t. eg who is fru nordin, per said him self that its not his wife, if not her who is he singing about. us fans as i feel, arent as enthusiastic as we used too be, for some reason.
For me that’s the main reason that this site has become what it is now, kinda boring place to visit. the admin ppl can do just sooo much, the rest is up 2 us.
and another one, why do per use joanna/johanna so much in his lyrics?

There’s not much to discuss. For me, to know who Fru Nordin is doesn’t really matter. And I am quite sure there was a topic about it when EHM was just released. If people gave up, it’s because that kind of matters are purely speculative. We can guess who Fru Nordin is, but we won’t be discussing that for years. It can’t keep the people interested in forever. Per use Joanna in his lyrics due to the rhyming, I suppose. It doesn’t have a to be a ’hidden message’ always. It could be Mary, Ann or Julie. We should not look for an explanation, because there is not one.

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