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Do what you want but harm no one-not even Germans?
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Kiwein1 said on June 5, 2004 19:01:
Hello!
We are a group of German fans who would like to address you openly in a serious matter which is quite important to us.
Especially in the recent past, it has struck us that there has been more and more railing against German fans. German fans have always been a popular target for sneering and mockery. One should be able to laugh about oneself and pull one’s own leg occasionally, however, sneering and mockery have risen to a point lately when we can no longer be silent. We are wondering: What have we done to deserve it???
Postings by Germans were deleted without obvious reasons; Germans are always considered unbearable; Germans are the ones hiding in trees and bushes and stalking Per and Marie; behaving like mere lunatics, etc. (These taunts are occasionally even joined by a moderator of this forum, even though he should actually take a neutral position.) Unfortunately, it happens in threads in another language but English, too – probably hoping that we don’t understand. If anyone has got anything to say to us, then please do it openly and directly into our faces.
Okay, it goes without saying that there ARE unbearable Germans who do not always behave the way you may expect from a normal person (and who the other German fans dissociate themselves from and do not want to be named with these people) but this is the same FOR ALL OTHER NATIONS. There are many people who are good and normal people and who are not to blame for anything – and then, there is a fistful of “idiots” who would like to provoke or don’t know the limits and then serve as stereotypes for “THE Germans”, “THE Dutch”, “THE Britons”, “THE Spaniards”, “THE South Americans”, etc.
Please do not let these “idiots” destroy our community as fans!!! We are all magic friends!!! This does not mean that we have to lie in each other’s arms or have to love us dearly or that there may not be the occasional disagreement. It means that we should respect each other. Please do not project the dealings of a few individuals to a whole nation!
It makes us really sad that the existing prejudices against us make us feel to be the “scum of humanity” (or at least the scum of the Roxette fandom) and to have to be ashamed for our nationality. We have reached a point now when many people (Germans) have lost the interest in posting and exchanging with other fans because one immediately feels this rejection without having done anything to anyone. (This “we” refers to the majority, not some few sad examples of how one should really not behave.)
Rest assured that some Germans encounter NO understanding or acceptance from us for their dealings, maybe some mocking is all they get – just like from you. Hasn’t it already happened to you on holiday that some of your fellow citizens have behaved quite badly and you have been ashamed for their behaviour and have felt totally embarrassed even though you don’t know these people at all and have nothing to do with them (maybe except for having the same passport like them)? This IS such a case. Just because there are some “idiots”, it does NOT mean that everyone is like that.
Please let us be a big community and do not let us waste our time with little “wars” among each other. Would Marie and Per approve of that?
Best wishes and keep on roxing!
- crashroxer
- LittleGirl78
- Roxfever
- roxgirl_germany
- Starrox
- rox-girl
- annorlunda
- Kiwein
- Raffnix
- Lurirox
- roxettecentral
- Holla
- Gagus (Italian admin of Planet Roxette)
- freche nick
- Pretty Little Dum Dum
For some examples of what has been mentioned above, please read the following threads:
- http://www2.dailyroxette.com/article.php/1566?p=2#comments
- http://www2.dailyroxette.com/smalltalk/thread.php/10737
- http://www2.dailyroxette.com/smalltalk/thread.php/10740
- http://www2.dailyroxette.com/smalltalk/thread.php/7067
- http://www2.dailyroxette.com/smalltalk/thread.php/4576?p=30 (pages 30 - 34)
Kiwein1 said on June 5, 2004 20:17:
You made yourself understood for sure! I, and I can only speak for ME though it was ME who posted this comment, see your point. (-:
So what about the mockeries against Germans done by the people and even moderators?
Yeah, I know, you’re the wrong person to address.. (-:
purplemedusa said on June 5, 2004 20:33:
I plead quilty on this issue; was influence by the media => been watchin Flumeride to often!
DEATH TO FLUMERIDE & IT’S CREATORS! SAVE THE GERMANS!!
roxettecentral said on June 6, 2004 00:09:
I also want to say something.
Judith THX for your answer, but where are all the other people who talks about us? Especially the ” Anonymous” ones.
tevensso (moderator) said on June 6, 2004 10:27:
You are not allowed to reply in any language BUT English on the frontpage. We did an exception on Marie’s birthday piece.
Kiwein1 said on June 6, 2004 11:18:
Since my fellows don’t seem to want to answer it’s me who speaks again:
It’s not only about writing in another language on the frontpage, but about the mockeries that go on in several topics..
annorlunda said on June 6, 2004 11:36:
Exactly: The biggest problem is that one is forced to be ashamed for being German. We don’t want that to be this way. We haven’t done anything wrong and wanna be treated as humans. Thanx.
LittleGirl78 said on June 6, 2004 12:07:
For this that here are so much user come very less replies. :P
What´s the really problem is is exactly what my fellows already said.
Everywhere are we germans the bad folk and we do all so embarrasing thing, but that isn´t true, not we all do that.
But here are many ppl who always to blaspheme about us and we want to know why, why we should to ashamed about our nationality? :P
Roxfever said on June 6, 2004 12:50:
How typical that those who know exactly that this topic is addressed to them don’t have the courage to reply. And I’m sure that the anonymous users have a registered name at TDR and hide behind their anonymity when it come to draging others through the mud. How brave!!!!
It also shows many users’ and also the moderator’s shortcomings that they almost always irgnore such insulting postings and almost never say anything against them. Archiving threads is not a solution! Have you ever thought telling those users that posings like that are the hight of impudence and that they must stop writing sth. like that? Have you? I’ve hardly ever seen a posting neither of the moderators nor of any other users of that kind. To me there is not big difference between ignoring and not saying aginst such posting and agreeing to them. Think about it.
Have a nice (Sun-)Day
harriej said on June 6, 2004 17:55:
Of course not all germans are behaving bad, but it is a fact that a lot of them have behaved in a typical way, and since some germans started this behaviour, it is since then named as german behaviour.
Allthough also people from other countries have been behaving in that way and not all germans have done that.
But once you have a name, it is very difficult to get rid of it. And the germans, who have done nothing wrong, are the victim of that.
It is a pity, but I don’t know if you can get rid of it.
Anyway, don’t come unannounced, without tickets to releaseparty’s, that doesn’t help your case.
roxgirl_germany said on June 6, 2004 18:05:
@harriej: We haven’t seen anyone at the release party without tickets. That story must be made up or whatever - we have seen nothing of anybody coming unannounced and without tickets.
annorlunda said on June 6, 2004 18:10:
I haven’t even been there (releaseparty)... =D
I think if everyone/more people would be thinking like you (that not all Germans are stupid) and at the same time remember how it hurts us to be thought of as idiots because of our nationality it would be easy to get this label off ...
LittleGirl78 said on June 7, 2004 00:04:
@harriej: same question like central, what for behavior you mean exactly?
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And the second is that we know from some behavior, but that are not all, that is a very small fraction from all.
And if from 8000 ppl are maybe 10 ppl with bad behavior it´s still less as from 2000 ppl it are only 5 ppl. ;) Only as example.
I´ve saw also from other nations a bad behavior but I would never say all of them are bad. ;)
harriej said on June 7, 2004 21:21:
- laying in the bushes near Per’s house to sneak on him
- selling stuff for prices above the value asked in the shops
- coming unannounced without tickets to a releaseparty (Mazarin)
- Those who have done this kind of thing know what I mean.
But again, this is not counting for all germans, so don’t be offended. I just observe that these things have happened.
Roxfever said on June 7, 2004 22:00:
”- laying in the bushes near Per’s house to sneak on him”
Of course nobody from any another country has ever done that,noooooooooo! which doesn’t mean I think this is a good idea
”- selling stuff for prices above the value asked in the shops”
Do you sell things for less money than you payed for them? Then please let me buy your house, car and whatever you own. Btw, ever been on ebay?
”- coming unannounced without tickets to a releaseparty (Mazarin)”
This argument will still be up to date in 20 years. I’m sure.
”- Those who have done this kind of thing know what I mean.”
Yes, how many are they? 20? -1, the guy who sold roxette stuff doesn’t count ;-)
“But again, this is not counting for all germans, so don’t be offended. I just observe that these things have happened.”
Can you tell me why so many people here refer them to as The Germans then?
Lurirox said on June 8, 2004 20:44:
@Harriej: I have to ask you one little thing: You say that you know that not all germans ar like that - so why do you call it “typical german behaviour”?? How many germans do you know? Do you really think, that we have nothing better to do than laying in the bushes in front of Pers house (I have never been there by the way) all the time? Let me tell you one thing: Not even all germans are Roxette-fans!! So - how can the behaviour of let me say 5-10 people be typical for a whole nation?!
Think about it.
It’s nice that you say that you know that only a few germans behave embarrassing and bad and that people from other countries behave the same way sometimes- but if you call the behaviour of 5 persons typical I don’t know, if I should believe in you.
ally77 said on June 8, 2004 21:05:
My god, I swap being English to being a German anyday... I f***ing hate being a brit...
The Germans have such a better way off life...!!!
This not offensive, but thought I would test my language skills!
Vor ich pflege, ein deutsches penpal vielen Jahren angerufener Heidi zu haben, sie erhielt mich in Roxette, aber wir verloren Note im frühen 90’s. Ich würde so sehr lieben, sie unten aufzuspüren, um zu sehen, was sie bis zu jetzt ist, oder wenn sie noch ein Ventilator von Roxette ist. Ich pflege, es zu lieben, als sie mit mir über ihre Lebensart in Deutschland... sprach Ich würde alles tun, ein langweiliges Vereinigtes Königreich zu verlassen! aber Geldmangel hindert mich am Bewegen auf andere Teile von Europa. Übrigens habe ich sehr netten deutschen angerufenen Nachbareve, den sie 78 Jahre alt ist und in Großbritannien seit 1945 gelebt hat, als sie heiriet. Sie mag es hier, aber Fehlheimaten. Sie jedoch spricht noch mit deutschem Akzent! und ihr Englisch ist noch nicht vollkommen, aber sie ist solch ein netter Nachbar. Ich verwende ein on-line-traslator, es bin eine lange Zeit, da ich Deutsches an der Schule sprach, obgleich ich bis 100 noch zählen kann! und sagen Sie meinen Namen!
It is suppose to say....
I use to have a German penpal many years ago called Heidi, she got me into Roxette but we lost touch in the early 90’s. I would so much love to track her down to see what she is upto now or if she is still a fan of Roxette. I use to love it when she spoke to me about her way of life in Germany...
I would do anything to get out of the boring United Kingdom! but lack of money prevents me from moving to other parts of Europe.
By the way I have a very nice German neighbour called Eve she is 78 years old and has lived in the UK since 1945 when she got married. She likes it here, but misses homeland. She does however still speak with German accent! and her English is still not perfect, but she is such a nice neighbour.
I am using an online traslator, it is a long time since I spoke German at school although I can still count to 100! and say my name!
I bet it doesn’t... I have yet to find an online translator that works well!!
PEACE AND LOVE TO ALL!!
ally77 said on June 8, 2004 21:07:
Another point.. I really really admire how other European countries teach languages from such an early age! Over here you don’t take a second language till your 11 years old, and by then it’s almost to late to learn!
harriej said on June 8, 2004 21:30:
“Do you really think, that we have nothing better to do than laying in the bushes in front of Pers house”
This implies you take it personal!!
If you have not done this, it means that it is not valid for you.
@Lurirox: This thread started with a question why Germans are being treated in such a negative way.
I am just giving some observations/answers to that question here, which may be the reason for the treatment the germans are getting.
This does not necessarely mean that this is also the way I am thinking, so don’t attack me on that!
It is just the opinion I have heard from other (non-german) people.
Off course people from other countries have done the same thing, but it was started by Germans, and then afterwards it will be named german behaviour, even if a Swede, dutchman, frenchman (or german) does this.
Anyway, I gave an explanation, but don’t attack me on it since it does not mean that I do think all germans are bad (although some are annoying, but that counts too for english, dutch, spaniards etc.)
One should not be judged by its nationality, but by it’s actions.
BTW, Why do you make such a big point of it, when you know you don’t behave bad??
LittleGirl78 said on June 8, 2004 21:54:
@ally77: Have you your german translation from Babelfish? ;D Sorry, nothing negative, but the way to translate Fan into Ventilator is funny and Babelfish do it. ;)
But it´s great that you like germany and germans, I think then it´s not a think where we talking about you, and the ppls who are meaning with the thread don´t answer us. :-
tevensso (moderator) said on June 8, 2004 22:06:
Ummm, it might be easier if you actually told the people you want to answer this?
Lurirox said on June 8, 2004 22:08:
I didn’t want to attack you! It was just this little “Of course not all germans are behaving bad, but it is a fact that a lot of them have behaved in a typical way” that you’ve written above. Why typical??
And I wonder, who came up with germans starting bad behaviour?
Some germans behaved maybe bad, but who says that they were the first ones? That’s maybe a lie by someone from another country who didn’t want to tell that it was himself who made bad things. How can you know? (and I don’t ask only you, Harriej) And by the way: The ones seeing germans laying in the bushes in front of Per’s house or whatever can’t have been far away either - right? They don’t have the right to say “We are the good ones and you are the bad ones” They aren’t so much better, I think.
I make such a big point out of it, because I know that I haven’t done something wrong. I don’t want to be called “bad and embarrassing typical german” just for the reason that very few persons (maybe not even germans, who knows?) behaved wrong!
I don’t want to go around in Sweden thinking the whole time: Hope that noone realises that I’m german!! What the hell do they think about me if they get to know?”
Lurirox said on June 8, 2004 22:12:
@tevensso: Well , you are one of them. Just follow the link to the swedish forum and you will see what we are talking about...
tevensso (moderator) said on June 8, 2004 22:40:
Sure, I can reply: I know well what I’ve said in the Swedish thread. I don’t care either way about Germans (or whatever), but I do know they have behaved badly over the years. You are not disliked without a reason. And this is not my fault... Take it standing up and stop complaining. Do you see any other ones whining here? And if I personally mention in the SWEDISH thread that “don’t act like Germans [fans]” what is that to you? I don’t go into the German thread and do it at least. About being unfair, sorry but I’m not. I never delete a thread or a topic because it’s in, started by, or about Germans.
If blame is to be put out, blame the ones among you that gave you the name “German fans”. Sukie to name one.
Roxfever said on June 8, 2004 22:46:
Yes, this thread is not supposed to attack those who don’t think the Germans are little bastards :-) so don’t take it personally either.
Why we make a big point of it? Simply because we are Germans and don’t have to do anything with this behaviour like most of the Germans. But when the people here talk about “the Germans” they talk about us (normal people like 99,999% of the rest of this county) as well but we don’t identfy with this very little minority which is here refered to as the Germans. As you probably know there is not much left of German “patriotism” but that doesn’t mean we tolerate everything and ignore insulting postings. There is no other nation on this forum that is attacked so obviously and it gets on our nerves and we are sick of it. That’s all. I really don’t want to know what would happen if we attacked people from other countries in the same way as some of them/ you attack us. I think you know what I mean... We just want to be treated with respect. I think we are not expecting too much.
@Ally, fantastic translation! lol, one of the funniest texts I’ve ever seen :-) You would like to live here? Living here is far from living in paradise but you could give it a try;-) But don’t forget to bring the British humour with you! I love it!
tevensso (moderator) said on June 8, 2004 22:54:
@Roxfever: I agree with you... But you’re missing the point, people will not forget that easily. I admit I’m one of them.
The only thing you can do is to behave BETTER than everyone else. Sad but true.
Roxfever said on June 8, 2004 23:02:
@Tevensso
“If blame is to be put out, blame the ones among you that gave you the name”. What?? Hello! The following is a bad (too political) example but I can’t think of an other at moment (and don’t want to start a discussion about this topic!!!!)...According to what you said all the people who were against the war in Iraq and “hate” Bush for it have a right to hate all the Americans because 1 American + his supporters are responsible for the bad reputation of American foreign policies? Oh my God! I hope not! *prayingforalltheamericansoutthere*
An I’m not takling about a political issue but only about the behaviour of some fans.
roxgirl_germany said on June 9, 2004 05:19:
“The only thing you can do is to behave BETTER than everyone else.”
Guess what I’ve been doing all my life long since being a fan. Like some other thousands of German fans - and still it’s a fistful of “idiots” destroying the reputation...
And tevensso, this one person you named is an example for those whom we are ashamed of (ourselves)...
Jud (moderator) said on June 9, 2004 05:35:
well you should take into account that people like to generalize.
If you bring this to a more general view, every country has its own “jokes” or “bad comments”.. for example Spaniards are lazy, fiesta, siesta, sangria, sevillanas and toros.. but I can tell you that besides the sangria from time to time, I’m none of the others.
So yes, Germans in general - and specially in Sweden- do have a bad name/reputation. I once was in Leksand, yes that kinda small town up in the north, and heard just a plain person from the village say “jävla tyskar!” And it had nothing to do with Roxette fans. I don’t want to say what people think of you guys down here in Austria - I guess I don’t need to because you people think the same about Austria ;) Will you also complain to the respective governments? ;)
What I’m trying to say is that we all have standard “Spaniards, British, Germans, French, Americans” in our minds.
And when it comes to Roxette fans, yes,I am sure that when people in general think of German fans they get all these examples of Germans who behaved stupidly in the 90ies (94-95-97 etc). Argentinians and Spanish /Latin also have the “name” of being loud and histeric etc.. and i’m neither none of them.
So yes, we all can try here so you are not “attacked”, but we cannot change people’s minds and the way they think of you. That’s not on our hands. Who can or how to “wash your image”? I don’t know.
I also think that the fact that Germany is bigger than any other (Western) European countries, the bigger the higher the number of “freaks”... I KNOW there are “freaks” from everywhere and I get in mind some from Austria, Spain, Netherlands, and also Sweden.. but it feels like as their number is lower.. it feels like they don’t exist.. something like for each Austrian freak you get 10 German ones..
boring eh? what do you want, it’s not even 8 in the morning.. *zzzz*
Kiwein1 said on June 9, 2004 06:46:
@tevensso: To talk bad about Germans in the Swedish topic doesn’t make it better, does it? Well, you are a moderator in this forum and you are supposed to be neutral, aren’t you? What you think and what you do in your free time is a different thing, but IMHO a moderator just can’t write SUCH things.
Sure you’re not to blame for the bad reputation of Germans but do you have to support it on the other hand?? Aren’t we here to stop all the prejudices that go around for a long time and that maybe aren’t right anymore? That doesn’t go only for Germans, but for EVERYTHING. Who are we, that we don’t think about opinions that we’re given?
LittleGirl78 said on June 9, 2004 08:25:
yes it´s true, we all have a mind about a country, but nobody is so attacked like germans.
Of course, Austrian dislike germans and germans dislike austrian, but we talking about that not everywhere and attacket them so hardly. ;)
That is a different between what´s your mind and how you behavior with the mind. :-
And everywhere to attacke us isn´t right, I don´t think I have to ashamed about my nationality, I have to ashamed about the 0,01% germans who behavior bad, but Not about my whole country. ;)
And some postings here, give us the feeling that germans aren´t humans. :(
Jud (moderator) said on June 9, 2004 08:34:
Have you missed the flames about americans and muslims? ;)
Starrox said on June 9, 2004 08:53:
Well, I haven’t, but I also haven’t missed the fact that every single one of those discussions was being moderated heavily or even closed! Would anyone care to tell me why it’s not ok to flame Americans or whoever it was, but it’s ok to flame Germans?
ally77 said on June 9, 2004 09:17:
Can I ask which person are we talking about.... is she/he German.... ?
Roxfever said on June 9, 2004 10:11:
No Tevensso, I wasn’t overanalysing, I was just transfering the problem to show what this attitude would lead to if it was discussed in a different context. If you agree that hate hateing Americans is stuipd, and I think you do (and me either), it would be logical to agree that this “anti-German-attitude” is wrong too. If not this is sort of a double standard, double moral (I have no clue what the correct English word is;-)).
Are we talking about a special person here? I thought we are not. Are we?
Lurirox said on June 9, 2004 10:41:
Well, I think we would be talking about special persons here if they wouldn’t have been so cowardly to write anonymous!
Maybe this was some kind of misunderstanding...
roxettecentral said on June 9, 2004 19:45:
@ tevensso: Ok. people won’t forget that easily. But last year i saw a lot of swedish people, who talked with german fans in English. They also talked about “our destiny to be bad behaved”.
The main result of this was that some swedish aren’t better then us. And that some are very imaginary because rox & related come from sweden. You know what i mean? I hope so.
So right now i got a question: Do you ever talked to any german? If you said: YES. And there all the same. You lie i think. You got very bad luck.
So what do you think about meeting at a concert and havin some small talk?
At last i only got one Question. Do you ever talked to Per about Germans? ;)
Rainqueen said on June 9, 2004 21:26:
I was meeting a lot of fereign peoples in my life and most of them did not discriminate against germans. I think it’s nearly nowhere such a big problem than here. And that ist very sad. Here we have the same interests, so why should we quarrel about such things like discrimination?
I think, if you discriminate us, you are not better than you think we are! But don’t worry about that: most of us are not so bad than you think! ;-)
So, like roxettecentral said: let’s meet at a concert to have some smalltalk!
@Ally: you should visit us to see the “real life” here in germany, so you can decide if you would like to live here! ;-) You are invited to visit one of our fanmeetings!
tevensso (moderator) said on June 10, 2004 12:46:
Speaking of strange behavior - this “adidas” person isn’t really doing the Germans any favors. TRUST me on that.
Kiwein1 said on June 10, 2004 13:59:
Strange behaviour is also living with and on cliches without thinking twice about them!
tevensso (moderator) said on June 10, 2004 14:33:
http://www2.dailyroxette.com/smalltalk/thread.php/10830
Starrox said on June 10, 2004 17:46:
Sorry, but how stupid and narrow-minded is that? And I’m not talking about this person or the thread...
ally77 said on June 10, 2004 18:30:
@ Rainqueen, thank you... I keep meaning to come over to see my friend over there...
tevensso (moderator) said on June 10, 2004 19:35:
OK, I’ve only tried pointing out what you people are doing wrong. If you choose to ignore it it’s your problem. This discussion is over for me. Danke sehr.
purplemedusa said on June 10, 2004 19:47:
You mean we’ve got2 b nice to the Germans now? What’s the world coming to? Jeez!
Kiwein1 said on June 10, 2004 20:15:
“what YOU people are doing wrong..”
There we are again! :-)
Nobody said that you have to be “nice” to Germans, it’s just about THINKING TWICE about clichés..IMHO.
Starrox said on June 10, 2004 20:17:
“OK, I’ve only tried pointing out what you people are doing wrong”
YOU PEOPLE? YOU PEOPLE? Oh my, you really are a totally hopeless case... *sigh* You should be glad that people don’t judge everyone from Sweden based on what certain people do on TDR, you know that?
Roxfever said on June 10, 2004 20:27:
Tevensso, you don’t want to understand it, right? Ok, forget it. It doesn’t make sense....purplemedusa the same goes for you...
It’s a shame.
Starrox said on June 10, 2004 20:33:
BTW, don’t you always stress the fact you consider TDR to be a serious newspaper? Maybe you should think about whether you really want to run a newspaper that not only allows people to post comments that could be considered racist but also have a moderator openly support this...
Jud (moderator) said on June 10, 2004 21:02:
I think that considering these comments about German fans as racism is a bit too much. At least I consider racism discrimination of a race, and as far as I know we are all (at least in this discussion?) caucasian ;)
What Thomas was trying to explain - what I understood - is that such comments from that Adidas only do “contribute” to the bad image Germans already have. You yourselves are discussing in the German forum if the visit of those 3 (4??) Germans to Micke’s parents house is “good” or “bad” for your image. Some may think “ha, great, now this makes us look as we are all invading peoples houses just like that”. So Thomas just used Adidas as just *another* example.
It IS a fact that Germans/you (not any of you in special, I am just refering to German fans) have a bad image, specially in Sweden, and it’s not only about Roxette&co /being a fan but in *general.
We said we can help by moderating here - but this won’t change people’s minds/concept they have about German fans. Somehow I have the feeling that you kinda blame the moderator(s) here for your bad image because “we don’t moderate” enough.
I thought this was supposed to be a discussion and a way to find some solutions - and actually what *we* can do is that, moderate, but not more - but unfortunately and sadly it seems to have ended up in a flame with insults in between.
purplemedusa said on June 10, 2004 21:13:
To the Screeming Germans (who suddenly releazed they were being victemized - what caused the delay; did some school offer English lessons at halfprice or something?)... just because I’m not from Germany doesn’t mean that I don’t see your point. My previous post could be read in various tones - something which the discount English classes left out? PLease understand that you’re NOt being victemized and that you’re NOT being excluded from the Roxette community! Stereotypes will always be applied... live with it & make light out of it... just remember each stereotype have it’s routes even if you’re not part of it. Choose to prove the stereotype differently!! ANd that’s about it from me for now...
kind regards (and there’s no sarcasm there!),
*purplemedusa*
Kiwein1 said on June 10, 2004 21:16:
“Somehow I have the feeling that you kinda blame the moderator(s) here for your bad image because “we don’t moderate” enough.”
Sure not! Some postings here do for sure NOT offend ALL moderators. It’s not about moderating or not in this particular topic or any other topic on this forum. But doesn’t a moderator have to be kind of neutral? At least, he should SHOW a neutral side.
No harm is done yet. Well, we ALL know that Germans aren’t liked in the WHOLE world and we ALL do know WHY. But most of these things happened a long time ago and it’s not OUR fault that we are born in this country.
purplemedusa said on June 10, 2004 21:31:
And about the moderators; give them some respect! There’s certain reason WHY they’re moderators! And please; don’t be naive enough to believe that the moderators should be neutral... they’re not gods | they’re pretty much human with human interests like all of us & human opinions! We’ve got to respect that. Neutralism is a term that was invented by American media owners to hide there own political agenda’s and was declared redundant through the postmodernist movement. I wouldn’t trust anyone claiming to be neutral as there is no way one can put self-interest (in whichever form; positive or negative) last!
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Hipocricy in it’s negative form was invented by those too laze to analaze the complicated.
Roxfever said on June 10, 2004 21:35:
@purplemedusa, no, full price but their quality can be compared to halfprice lessons ;-) Sure, your post could be read in various tones, sorry I read it in the wrong tone, maybe because the rest of topic hasn’t been very funny up to now.
Kiwein1 said on June 10, 2004 21:36:
@purplemedusa: Actually you’re right, but don’t forget that we are still talking about discriminating people. *shrugs* What about being neutral in that point? Just a serious question! :-)
purplemedusa said on June 10, 2004 21:44:
Kiwein1... I’m not a 100% sure what you’re asking... but someone was expecting the moderators to be neutral in their dealings here => and I just added some color on that!
Kiwein1 said on June 10, 2004 21:47:
Yes, expecting them to be neutral was me..to be neutral in the way of treating people that are registered users on this board and not to make differences because of different nationalities or even talk bad about them. That was it. ;-)
Thanks for replying by the way..
purplemedusa said on June 10, 2004 21:55:
Okay! LOL... my speed reading kinda got me into trouble there! I was refering to judging in a neutral way - being able to stand in the middel of two parties... that kinda stuff! However, just remember I don’t think any of the moderators wish you any harm and there’s no point in being over-sensitive... I know it’s hard, but try & understand other perspectives 2:)
annorlunda said on June 10, 2004 22:17:
@ judith:
>> It IS a fact that Germans/you (not any of you in special, I am just refering to German fans) have a bad image, specially in Sweden, and it’s not only about Roxette&co /being a fan but in *general. <<
I have spent 10 and later 9 month in Sweden and met a lot of people (students when I studied and teachers/pupils at the school I teached in and so on...). Maybe one or 2 of them thought about Germans in a bad way - so I haven’t met this “bad image” we’re supposed to have... (Germans in general I mean now)...?!
roxgirl_germany said on June 24, 2004 20:40:
Well, congrats to you but what does this have to do with this thread???
(Besides, football is boring.)
roxgirl_germany said on June 25, 2004 05:15:
Well, looks like the number of contestants is getting smaller and smaller...
m-cvk said on June 25, 2004 13:28:
only 2??!!!??? What about that one-man team dressed in black???? ;-)
harriej said on June 26, 2004 23:03:
@roxgirl germany:
(Besides, football is boring.) That’s YOUR opinion, not the opinion of most people.
And maybe this should be corrected to:
German football is boring, since the strikers didn’t score any goal, only the midfielders Frings and Ballack did.
roxgirl_germany said on June 27, 2004 09:09:
@harriej: Yes, that is my opinion. We live in a free world and can express our opinion freely. ;)
If you would like to talk about football, I recommend to post in the respective thread.
Let’s get back to the topic this thread is about. Thanks.
harriej said on June 27, 2004 18:26:
well, we came to football in this thread after the elimination of the german team.
The topic of this thread is:
Do what you want but harm no one-not even Germans?
Some germans were harmed after the elimination, so it was appropiate to discuss it in this thread and thus ON-TOPIC ;)
roxettecentral said on June 28, 2004 17:11:
Ok thats right. But it doesn’t have the same context ;). It ist about what happens in the rox scene!
m-cvk said on June 30, 2004 14:01:
This football thing went way out of line. I was just kidding and celebrating that Holland won. Nothing against Germans :-)
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Jud (moderator) said on June 5, 2004 20:11:
I don’t know what “comments by Germans have been deleted” you refer to.. but:
- in the front page: comments that don’t really belong to the news item in question are _normally_ deleted.
- in front page + the forums except the international: comments in other language but english are _normally_ deleted, specially if there is a kind of “follow up” to that comment in the whatever language it was posted.
Some might have been gone unseen because a) we are human and make mistakes b) we do all this in our free time and sometimes we don’t read all the posts ... so feel free to report the next time :P
And: not only posts in German are being deleted, we have deleted comments in other languages, specially Spanish (and *I* am Spanish ;)) ... I guess that you don’t realise those comments are deleted because they are not posted by you.. and I guess you get the feeling posts in German are deleted because they are posted by you..
Same applies to comments that don’t really belong to the news item (even if they are in English). No way we delete posts by Germans just because they are written by Germans.
I hope i made myself understood.. if not you know where I am :)