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RS Tour VS. Sommar Mazarin

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Max-Tob said on January 6, 2004 12:52:

After seeing Per’s dvd some things crossed through my mind. Here’s the most insistent one:

Per’s shows were better then RS shows. Correct me if I am wrong: I wasn’t able to go to Sweden last summer, so I only saw Per on dvd...I presume they put on dvd the best live material, but still, I think that, on the whole, Mazarin Sommar Tourne was better than latest Roxette appearences.
In 2001 I saw 2 shows in Germany and they seemed somehow powerless, without life in them... I also saw the recorded Stockholm show and I didn’t really like it. Who can compare it with CBB or Joyride Tour?? Songs sound strange, Marie wasn’t good as she used to be, the whole stage seemed to be a total mess...They sung in a mechanical manner...

In his Mazarin Tour Per struggled very hard to make it sound REAL, and - on my surprise (honestly, I couldn’t believe he could do it all alone, without Marie) - he succeeded! I felt something that lacked on RS concerts...

Please, tell your opinion on the latest live performances of Per/Marie/Roxette... It would be a pity to underrate RS Tour just because I didn’t see enough of Per’s and Rox’s live materials. I’m waiting for a “counter-attack”.

rox-kuryliw said on :

well its simple you like per and his CD alot. i think he cant sing at all with the help of a studio , hurts my ears lol. and his solo effect is not as good as marie’s and i dont even speak swedish lol. i hear the music and the voices. but it would be a boring world if everyone thought the same.

Jud (moderator) said on :

i’ve seen the sommar mazarin and actually, i find it boring, nothing to look at, so I just let it play 2-3 times on the background as if it would be a CD, but actually i even find nothing special in that, I think the queen on stage is Marie, I love to see her energy and smiles and the feeling she puts when she sings :))

crashroxer said on :

The Room Service Tour was the best Tour I´ve ever seen..I LOVE THE STAGE, THE SONGS, THE OUTFITS..everything...

Room Service Tour FOREVER!!!

ATLTK said on :

I enjoyed the RS show and the mazarin show just saw one on RS so that cant be boring but i saw 3 mazarin and I say that the first was best in halmstad and the latest in eskilstuna was quite boring cause no extras same songs as at the other shows etc

Jud (moderator) said on :

forgot to comment on RS :P

I think the RS showcase in Barcelona was the best i’ve ever seen with Rox, and of course, due to Marie :P I also heard the RS October show in Madrid was amazing and I had a great time in both Göteborg and Sthlm, the soul of the shows was Marie. I think she got a lot of self-confidence after her solo tour, had never seen her so happy as in 2000 and 2001 on stage :)

Max-Tob said on :

Phfff....OK-OK...So you desagree with me...That’s good. I think.

Emil__BG said on :

it depends on which show you have been... i agree with Ted ..Eskilstuna was a little bit boring... but anyway–Per’s shows were great.. (if you watch only the DVD you can’t feel it,same with Marie DVD for example–it much more boring but in real life it maybe was not true,Judith??)
talking about RS tour–maybe it wasn’t so big as before but still was the first class,world show..
the diffrence was per–he (at least in Vienna) wasn’t no in god mood..
At the time of Mazarin Stockholm concert he was a different person–happy and full with energy..
and it seems to me that he sang much better in stockholm than in Goteborg.. and sangs even better in Eskilstuna..
maybe i’m wrong but that is not so important–Per CAN sing his songs,and make it good enough to make audience crazy,hej,hej,hej,crazy hej,hej,hej :-)
So the Per’s tour was really really GREAT!
But for me RS shows was better-even if you rigth that “the whole stage seemed to be a total mess” but there was the whole stage,there was a show.. that were Per AND Marie,there was video,there was a brilliance,there was a band... and all this made the show BIG.

NeverendingRoxette said on :

recorded Stockholm show?? is it available?? dvd - video??

:S

Jud (moderator) said on :

Emil: I have seen GT Återtåget video - i didn’t see them live myself and I think the atmosphere and all is much much better than in Mazarin. Somebody asked for opinions and I gave mine, I don’t want to convince anybody, neither I want to be convinced, you have your opinion, I have mine, and I just feel that Per can’t reach the same atmosphere in a concert as Marie and that he is boring, different tastes, I guess? :P

Jud (moderator) said on :

The Sthlm concert was available for download some time ago.. not sure if it still is??

Max-Tob said on :

I have a copy of the RS Stockholm show made by an exchange swedish student here in Paris. It isn’t one of a very good quality, but still you can see that there isn’t brilliant.
@Judith (I think): I do not believe that Marie needed some more self confidence gained (you said) during her solo tour in order to make RS shows better than ever. She WAS already very experienced in everything...
One of my best friends followed Rox in Wien as well and he said it was awful because they both looked bored, esp. Per. And Marie was smiling as a machine. What can I say? I didn’t want RS to be a “mess”, but as I saw 3 shows (2 of them really live and not on the tv screen), I must say there was not Interaction between the members (of the band), not even between P and M, the audience was great, but Marie said just a few words to us and she sung very correct and that was all. No one can beat Marie on the stage, we all know that. But think about CBB tour - she was incredible!!!! And Per too. Is it because of growing older? One can say that. But Per wasn’t good on RS as he was on his Mazarin...Roxette songs are also his songs, so what happened? Anyone here who thinks RS being not so great? Of course there was a great screen behind them and it was a show with high standards, but all in all, I can’t even compare CBB with RS. That simple stage from CBB and Marie full of energy can not be repeated.

And one more time: in RS there was no interaction between Rox members. Not enough. They didn’t “shine on us”. At least not in the shows I attended.

Denstandigaresan said on :

I never went to any RS concerts. I have the stockholm one and the showcases... and they’re both great. I went to two Mazarin dates, and they were fantastic. I prefer Marie to Per, but I prefer the Mazarin DVD to Maries.

Jud (moderator) said on :

Max: I know Marie was great before 2000, but she was even better after that ;) I think she never thought her solo stuff could make so many ppl attend her concerts, she looked always so happy and amazed, and i am not the only one saying / thinking she was in an excellent mood that summer :P Yes Marie, we DO like your music! :D

Btw, I think the concert in Wien was just a flop, they put them in a big stadium and “closed” half of it or sth, and it still looked empty, I am not sure how many ppl attended it, but the promotion wasn’t good either.. so I guess they were disappointed. The show in Innsbruck was a lot better, which was before Wien.. so I guess that coming from a kinda-successful concert (inns) to a deserted stadium (stadthale- wien) can be depressing.. and people here in Austria aren’t the most crazy ones.. ;)

Lennon said on :

I only saw the DVD and to me it seems to be a great atmosphere.
But musically it was only a reproduction of the album-material. No special arrangements like Roxette did often on their Tours (unfortunately not on the “Room-Service”-concerts).
Almost everything played very close to the album-versions.

Txiqui said on :

I went to madrids concert during the room service tour and it was great. I guess noone will ever bet what we lived there, the atmosphere was great, everyone was singing and doing whatever marie asked the audience to do. They were (marie & per) both smiling and looking really happy throw all the show. It would have been a great dvd if it had been recorded.

lonely_girl said on :

Well, I saw only Sommar Mazarin in Halmstad (the opening gig) which was a REAL blast. I also wondered a bit how Per would manage solo on a stage but he was just great... The audience in Göteborg (as it seems on the dvd) is quite quiet (((-;

RS gig in Zurich was also great, the audience was super and both, Per and Marie really enjoyed the show. I can’t really judge...

pelu said on :

I was at 7 gigs on the Mazarin tour, it was way better then Room Service, and Återtåget.
The audience in Göteborg was great, the sound on the dvd is not “fair”. After Halmstad I thing the Göteborg-concert was best.
Judith, we know you just like Eva Dahlgren and marie, you don´t have to show us that all the time!! ;-)

pietROxette said on :

Marie bored in Vienna during the RS show? Oh come on! She was in a perfect mood, although, yeah, Per preferred to stay behind, but Marie spent most of her time on the catwalk, just in front of me and she look quite happy and full of energy. Probably the Stockholm concert was even better, at least what I could see from the video recording (which is still available to download from http://roxbytes.com ), probably because Per was more active and they’ve played in a full house. I think it was stupid to have 2 concerts in Austria, in a relatively small country, and no shows at all a bit east of that.

coyboyusa said on :

rs tour even thought i didnt see it but i have stockholm on vhs was by far the best touyr they had no pressure...granted marie did about 90 % of the sonds so sure after a while even u would get tired, but the stage was great the whole set up and production was great...i only wish i saw it in person so ur wrong..besides roxette and their solo material are 2 totally different arenas

malena said on :

I haven’t seen any show in the RS tour but I have seen a little bit of Sommar Mazarin and I think Roxette shows are great ;they have something about them, that something being the result of both Per and Marie but in my opinion Per can do just as good when performing solo. He writes great songs and, of course, he knows how to deliver those great songs to the audience.

crashroxer said on :

IS THERE ANYONE WHO WANNA SWAP PICTURES WITH ME ??

Well, I have TONS of [self made–of course(-;] Mazarin and RS pics. And I´m looking for some great [self made] Room Service pics.

PLEASE WRITE TO: [email protected]

SolensVaen said on :

I think it’s quite hard to compare Rox live and Per live! It’s like two different worlds!
I saw three shows of RS as well as of Mazarin and they were all great in there way! The best shows I ever joined were RS in Göteborg and Mazarin in Karlstad and Stockholm!
I think it’s already difficult to compare the audience, due to the fact that it was one time international and the other time national!
RS was a fantastic show, but Mazarin was more personal!
I often do prefer the solo-material of Per and Marie because it’s just more personal and seems to be more “real” as Roxette!
I do prefer Per so I’m quite focused on him, and I can say that Per was much better on Mazarin than on RS. But I think that’s mostly because it was really himself!

Cheers P

Jud (moderator) said on :

@pelu: you should read the thread bout Swedes in the off-topic and you will see the great list of artists I like :P Actually I also think Tomas Ledin, Bryan Adams, Melissa Etheridge are great on stage, so there are already quite some in front of Per ;)
Btw, I don’t complain bout Per fans who praise him non-stop :P:P

Jud (moderator) said on :

It must have been something bad with the promotion in Wien, the concerts by other big artists in Stadthalle are just always sold-out at incredibly high prices, 40-60€ about... Maybe the promoters should have changed location when they saw so few tix had been sold.. but anyway, they enjoy playing, so I am told the concert was fine, maybe not as nice as sold-out shows like Göteborg, Sthlm or Spain, but still, I think there’s nothing worse than playing in Karlstad :P

ally77 said on :

I just can’t choose... both RS Stockholm and Mazarin Stockholm... where fantastic... but I would say Mazarin might just have pipped the post!

Emil__BG said on :

Judith –i respect you very much...sorry ..it was just a joke.. :-) the point was that the even the DVD can’t show the true atmospherå..
the point was that Per’s concert wasn’t boring—- ooo nooooooooo!
And you can exalt Marie how many time you want–i love her too, the same way i love Per.. no probs here.. :-))
She is a Queen and Per is the King of my heart,nothing can’t change that... :-)

about Vienna–if i’m not wrong you live in Vienna,but i’m not sure when you moved there ..
as long as i remember the story.. everything was conversely—there wasn’t many people in Insbruck ,the hall was almoust empty..full with ice.. hockey or football game in the other hall..
the concert in Vienna wasn’t sold out it’s true but was almoust full and after unsuccessful concert (inns) Per and marie were happy to see so many people–
“and people here in Austria aren’t the most crazy ones..”–i thought the same but if at least the half of people were from Austria –on 02-11-2001 for 2 hours they forget that fact ;-)
durring the concert and after that ,when we see her in front of the hotel marie wasn’t a machine..

back to the subject.. i’m agree for swedish people Per show was much better than Roxette show –i can’t forget all this young people jumping and singing all song.. can’t compare it to GT concert–will see it this sommar :-))))

however Max-Tob thanks for question .. i guess for everyone it’s a different.. but that is a good about Roxette–there is a something for everyone :-)

Max-Tob said on :

I see. So the RS was great. Someone here said one can’t compare Mazarin with RS which I think is not very correct. The comparison stands because both shows include Per and we can see different sides of his live behaviour. Anyway, on the whole, RS shows were Marie’s shows and of course, Mazarin shows were entirely Per’s shows.
As I said somewhere above, I have to admit that I didn’t really believe in Per’s live potential until I saw Sommar Mazarin. So, the logical implication goes like this: the latest Rox shows formula doesn’t really ask for Per’s abilities as an “entertainer”, that’s why we were all very surprised to see him dealing very well with his Mazarin crowds. Of course, I am still questioning myself about Per dealing with REAL crowds like Marie does all the time in Roxette.
Everyone agree here that there’s a magic between P and M that really keep the crowds alive and make all the good things happen. So, Per has his subtile contribution at Roxette shows even though his not the first violon.
Phff...I forgot what I wanted to say...sorry about spreading thoughts all over, without any specifical purpose...I promise I’ll remember the main idea...

Jud (moderator) said on :

Emil: no problem, I didn’t take anything bad, this is just about opinions, tastes etc :D

I live in Austria since July 02, but my gf is from here and she was in both concerts, so all I can tell is from what I heard from her and her friends, so I might have mixed it up, anyway, the shows in Austria weren’t the most sold, promotion is the key.. but next time they (=promoters) should choose smaller places or make great promo like they do with all the “big” ones.

malena said on :

I don’t think Roxette’s shows were Marie’s shows. She wasn’t the only one who dealed with the huge crowds.

kerA said on :

I wouldn’t compare RS tour with Sommar Mazrin because it’s like to compare NBA (RS Tour) with with Swedish Basketball League (Mazarin).
Sorry...

harriej said on :

I have not seen the Mazarin tour, but I have been to the Mazarin Release party.
This party was really great and breathing a nice atmospere.
I have also been to the RS-concert in Brussels and that was a good organized, well played concert with a lot of enthusiasm of Roxette.
I think you can not compare both tours with each other, since it is a total different kind of tour.
The Room Service tour is much bigger than the Mazarin tour (I think).
In my opinion it is all great!

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