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Tourism - Poor CD Manfacturing
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steven said on November 28, 2003 14:25:
Over the years, I have bought two copies of Tourism because the CD printing flakes and peals off the actual CD.
I’m not certain whether this causes any damage to the CD itself, but it’s definately not heathly for the CD player as little black bits are falling into the CD drive.
I’ve noticed this defect when conditions are cold, example, if I leave the CD in the car CD player over night.
I often do this with many other CDs, but this one Roxette CD is the only one that continues to flake and peal away.
Anyone else experienced the same problem?
Denstandigaresan said on November 28, 2003 14:50:
Not me, I don’t play the CD very much. But my friend has bought a couple copies, because the print has worn off.
steven said on November 28, 2003 14:50:
Only happens with this one Roxette CD and have had two Tourisims show the same problem on two seperate players - albeit in cold conditions.
Denstandigaresan said on November 28, 2003 14:52:
Actually, scrap that... just looked at the CD. There are little, ’blisters’ on there that were not there before. I’m guessing if I touch the blisters, the paint will flake off. Oj.
Denstandigaresan said on November 28, 2003 14:54:
My CD is cold... my CD stacker is just underneath the window. A couple of my CD’s went mouldy! But i’ve moved it over now, and that’s stopped. But I guess they’re still getting cold.
steven said on November 28, 2003 15:49:
@ Denstandigaresan
Yes! The blistering is the first stage of Flaky-Tourism-Syndrome. I had actually forgotten about that particular stage.
Touch the blisters and the printing will crumble instantly and stick to everything.
I wonder why this is happen only to this CD?
kiwijazza said on November 28, 2003 15:55:
I’ve had mine for a long time now, and it seems fine. Just a thought, out of curiosity, where does it say your copy was printed in? Mine says the US.
Denstandigaresan said on November 28, 2003 16:19:
@Steven... Awwww poopy. :( I knew I wanted another copy for a reason... that and the fact the booklet on mine is ripped to shreads, from where it doesn’t fit in the CD cover very well.
Starrox said on November 28, 2003 16:33:
Well, I do know the problem, but not with Tourism but with CBB! I don’t even know exactly when and why it started, I just noticed these blisters one day...
ally77 said on November 28, 2003 17:00:
Mine is okay... but failing that it’s a fairly new copy as I lost the other! ;( I’ve not played it much!!!
steven said on November 28, 2003 17:26:
I suspect this *may* have something to do with condensation, but I can’t explain why it’s not happening to any other CD’s exposed to the same conditions.
Marlene said on November 28, 2003 17:27:
I have this problem with my ’Sleeping in my car’-single. :-( It has never been in the cold nor do I have the problem with other CDs. Only this one.
Aleks said on November 28, 2003 20:49:
I also have some problems with my tourist- cd and I-m quite sure that this in not the fault of my cd- player. so I guess it’s really cheap manufacturing. well, at least all the other Roxette- CDs are OK.
LittleSpooky said on November 29, 2003 06:51:
No comment on the “Made In the USA” mostly because we ALL know what kind of crap the US puts out now. Japan makes a better product in damn near everything...
but that’s a rant for another time.....
LaMan said on November 29, 2003 10:24:
Denstand @ move to South Africa. It´s warm most of the year. ;)
mertz said on November 30, 2003 06:21:
I don’t have that problem with my tourism cd, but i have it with the crash boom bang cd, anyone else having the problem with that cd?
ditroia said on November 30, 2003 08:36:
Nothing wrong with mine [Made in Australia].
Could Be the cold conditions of some countries.
Dave
DeLuk said on November 30, 2003 18:01:
I do have the same problem with the “Crash! Boom! Bang!” CD (with both copies I got this far, both made in Holland). As well as with the “Crash! Boom! Bang!” single (first copy I had gotten, also made in Holland, the second copy, UK one, has managed to stay fine over the years, but then the printing isn’t quite the same as in the Dutch CD), the “Run To You” one (again, Dutch release, the UK single which I got afterwards hasn’t thus far shown any signs of such a problem, but also the printing on this one is pretty much different than that of the CD made in Holland), and yet “Vulnerable” (also Holland made, both copies I got). :( Funny thing about the “Vulnerable” single, though, is that, the second copy I had ordered, from England in this case, it already had those “blisters” when it came (and pretty big ones, I may add, which of course had me return the CD), which for the first time then had me realise that it wasn’t my hause that was “haunted” (for a moment I was starting to believe so, as seeing all those CDs mysteriously getting their printings swelling), but it should in fact be related with the printing (and/or the printing proccess) itself. And my guess goes as well to humidity, causing this problem to appear. Or at least, the “blistering” does seem to aggravate when the Winter arrives, and days get colder, and specially humid...
By the way, forgot to say that also I’ve experienced this with the “Tourism” CD as well (this one, UK release), although with “Tourism” it doesn’t appear to be as bad, as only (!) some little portions of the inner and outter edges of the smaller inner printed circle (you know, where it is the center of the star) have detached from the disc, but nothing seems to be wrong with the rest of the printing (not so far, at least)...
steven said on November 30, 2003 18:57:
The plot thinkens...
...so, any other artist CDs showing signs of Flakey-Tourism-Syndrome?
DeLuk said on November 30, 2003 19:39:
Well, first time I noticed this (it was with the “Crash! Boom! Bang!” CD), I took it to my usual CD store, questioning whether they had ever seen any CD having such a problem and which might be the cause, and, though rather surprised and not at all suspecting of any causes for such to happen, they said they once had in store some CD (don’t remember which band anymore, that was several years ago) with the same problem (they said they touched the printing, and it all started to come off)... So, apparently at least, this isn’t something exclusive to Roxette CDs, I suppose?...
Jud (moderator) said on November 30, 2003 19:57:
never had any of these problems with any of my cds :S
DaminehGessle said on December 1, 2003 22:21:
Flaky-Tourism-Syndrome hahaha
I have never had this problem with any of my CDs either as I am very gentle to all of them. Except one time that I left my sunroof open and all of a sudden, hail and rain started and went on for a few good hours and when I came back to my car at the end of the day, my car was a pool!!!! All my CDs and their covers were wrecked :( and guess what? I only carry my Queen and Roxette CDs with me worth so much both money-wise and feeling-wise. Anyways I had to purchase them all over again :(. Sad... Very sad.
DeLuk said on December 2, 2003 15:55:
I don’t think this has anything to do with being gentle to/careful with the CDs!!... :/ I know the gentle/careful I always have been/am and yet... :( *sad as one can be*
CRIZ said on December 2, 2003 18:29:
I only had a problem like that with my first LOOK SHARP! -CD (made in Germany). After half a year the silver surface suddenly disappeared. I had a funny “Sleeping single” rap suddenly. Not nice. Than my brother got the “funny idea” to fill the missing silver spot with a silver Marker...My CD-Player got wild and the CD was not playable at all anymore. I had to buy a new Look Sharp...No wonder that it was on Top 1 so long. :) Maybe many other people had the same problem??
My first Roxette-Darling is now hanging on the wall....broken but signed....what a nice end! :)
patolucas said on December 3, 2003 23:29:
I’ve got the same prob!!Mine is made in UK.i’ve got another ones made in Austria,Italy & Australia and they’re still perfect!!
steven said on December 4, 2003 00:04:
Ok, so here’s another question on the subject.
I think we have established that there is a doubt concerning the integrity of some Roxette CDs.
So far, we have learnt that there are some concerns over the Tourisim and CBB albums.
And most appear to have been made in the UK.
So my question is:
Is it fair to return these CDs direct to EMI and expect a free replacement?
Should we expect an infinate life of our CDs?
Yeah, I know it was 2 questions...
Let the debate continue...
Denstandigaresan said on December 4, 2003 13:36:
Another C!B!B! problem CD discovered. ;) My friend with the faulty Tourism... he’s replaced his C!B!B! Twice.
I must add, he does often leave his cd’s in his car. So maybe the different temperatures did it.
thenicekai said on December 4, 2003 18:55:
The first thing I was told when I came in touch with CDs (mid 90s) was not to leave them in cold or heat conditions. And guess it, yeah, all my CDs (70 roxrelated) are still alright. Hmmmm, how come? ;-)
Don’t ever put Audio CDs into PC drives. Their acceleration is far too high for this kind of material. I eveen saw a report on CDs breaking at 52x speed drives.
I am no one who never takes his discs along. Tourism is accidentally my favourite album, every time I go on holidays (both summer and winter) this CD is taken with me. And it still works fine. No faking at all. (btw: bought around 1997, made in holland)
Maybe the real problems are the bargain offers of earlier Roxette albums. At least here in Berlin you have to be carefull not to buy one those “MidPrice”-offers lying around. I can well imagine that this could be crap.
Last word: Do want you want but harm no one.
Denstandigaresan said on December 4, 2003 20:48:
Mine certainly wasn’t a midbargin. Bought it new, beginning of 93.
None of the other cd’s I have... including ones from 1986 have flaking problems.
coyboyusa said on November 28, 2003 14:35:
no maybe your cd player runs very hot or makes contact with the surface never had any problem like that