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TO PER AND MARIE: PLEASE, JUST READ IT..
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NickNL74 said on January 25, 2003 02:40:
Hey P&M
Lately all I read on this forum is disappointed fans who or not so fund of the obvious less quality music you’ve put us up with during the last 2 years. At first HAND was nice and we assumed it was some sort of experiment so we were actually looking forward to the next album.
Then RS turned out to be somewhat in the middle of it all and now I think a lot of us have run out of patience.
If (if any at all) there is going to be a new album we more or less demand more (electric)guitars and complex classical intro’s which have put roxette on the worldmap of (pop)music initially, so that all us fans can actually relax again while listening to our favorite style of music.
All this time we’ve prooven to be good and loyal fans, we’ve put up with a lot like delays, years of battle with EMI, and all other reasons that had made the circumstances far from ideal, but I think it’s time to draw the line and be a little more clear about what’s in our minds. We’ve been far to nice for way too long.
As for now WE DEMAND ROXETTE.. and not some 3rd rank misfit synth semi-techno disaster since the world has enough of them already thankyouverymuch..
Bring us back to the joyride and C!B!B! days!
I have spoken :-)
Cheers,
Nick
P.s.: It’s possible to negotiate.. just give me a call between 6-8am tonight ;-)
llounge said on January 25, 2003 08:02:
You must write PER, not PAR!!! So I think also like you. Hope to hear more guitars and sound like CBB in the next Songs and Albums.
marcusvandeursen said on January 25, 2003 08:53:
SOME WILL PROB. HATE ME FOR SATING THIS... BUT WOULD LOVE TO HEAR SOME NEW TUNES WITH A SAME SORT ARRANGEMENT AS CRUSH ON YOU AND STARS...
SecondFabian said on January 25, 2003 09:00:
what you wrote have been said b4. we have to move on but I DO MISS THE OLD ROXETTE.
NickNL74 said on January 25, 2003 11:12:
@llounge: yea yea, I noticed that one after submitting the message.. (just look at my age.. I’m 74 for heavens sake!) Also corrected it in a message called “BUMMER!!!” but someone from the fanclub aparently erased it after they has corrected this ones (THANX! for that, whoever did it :-))
@secondFabian:It has been said before, I’m aware of that.. I just figured it couldn’t be said enough, so I simply gave it another shot ;-) Of course they need to move on in music, but it would be nice to keep the ’famous’ touch which was obtained in the early ’90. And it is absolutely true they need to have fun making music and salesfigures are supposed to be of less importance. But (here we go again ;-)) we DO miss those bloody guitars and semi mysterious synths with the melancholic touch. Love to hear Marie sing again like she did on the joyride album for instance.. she was just stunning in those days!. Well.. I guess I just miss that certain feeling on the later albums.. too bad
Roxeanne said on January 25, 2003 11:21:
sorry, but i do not think that roxette care too much about the new album right now...
i hope marie’s concentrating on nothing else than getting healthy again right now!!!
heavan’s sake, have you forgotten this allready??
by the way i like their new sound a lot!! (maybe not stars, but that’s just being me)
it’s much more adult, don’t you think?
per’s voicehas improved A LOT!
rox
Alfonsette said on January 25, 2003 23:38:
@NickNL74
Please don’t say WE DEMAND ROXETTE as I want also the 1st rank PERfect pop-dance they done with HAND era (with just 3 songs)
Don’t you think “Crush on you” arrangement is one of their best performances? I know you don’t think, but it is!!!
I’m getting tired of listening intorerant fans criticising HAND songs, those are as good (or even better) than “CBB”.
whiteroses said on January 26, 2003 06:39:
I agree to you nick!
me too! I do miss the old rox their old album were the best . Just look at sales it reach compare to their experimental album. I do miss tourism style and CBB! Oh come on!! guys he’s right the Old rox were the one who put them on top of Every chart...... I guess you all know that.
baio said on January 26, 2003 07:11:
I think Room Service has a clasic sound...
01- Real sugar is like a mix between “How do you do” and “Sleeping in my car”
02- TCOTH has a Look Sharp! sound, it would be great with guitars
03- M&T&H, well, is like a standard rox ballad since 1995 when they stopped doing power ballads
04- Jefferson, just great, Rox is back
05- Little girl, it would be great without the intro
06- Looking for Jane, a Rox 120% song
07- Bringin me down to my neeks, I don’t like it, but is the same with M&T&H.
08- Make my head goes pop, OK, YOU ARE RIGHT!
09- Try, it’s different, but I like it
10- Fool, I don’t like it, but it has electric guitars
11- ITYNTTGH, I hate it
12- MWMLML, it’s the first power ballad since 1994! It has a Listen to yur heart sound
Salvation7-20-7 said on January 26, 2003 08:47:
’WE DEMAND ROXETTE’ ?????
If I haven’t been buying the real Roxette’s albumns, then who have I been buying????
Anyhoo, I don’t really understand what the problem with RS was. IMHO, it was one of the best Roxette albumns, and it seems (again, IMHO) that they just keep getting better and better. It’s funny to think that when other artists ’experiment’ with their sound, it seems to be fine. Can’t Per and Marie have the same liberties as any other artist??
Or are they to become the child starts that we refuse to accept as ’grown up’??
Not meaning to sound mean in any intent, just trying to understand.
Cheers,
Salvation7-20-7
NickNL74 said on January 26, 2003 17:31:
@Salvation7-20-7: “If I haven’t been buying the real Roxette’s albumns, then who have I been buying????”
A: Some mixed up figments of Per’s brain ;-) Ok, mayby I am a bit black&white about this topic, but what I try to say is that this new stuff isn;t as powerful and pure as the early stuff like looksharp/joyrid/C!B!B!. All that new stuff is standing in the shadow of their ealy successes.. I think that;s a shame cause they are brilliant and could deliver so much better songs!
And yes, roomservice is more like the good old familiar sound, but not quite the same. And yes, changes are essential, but too much changing makes too big of a difference. Makes me feel liek I’m buying roxette albums more out of a habbit than out of a thrill.. I somehow miss the excitement.
And for anyone who’s offended by me ’demanding roxette’.. all I’m trying to say is that I’d rather see the early roxette with more guitars and less synths as they have now.. Liek it is now it seems more like they uncomfortably trying to squeeze in with all these dance-acts from nowadays. If they really want to set foot on the ground in the US again, they seriously need to open a can of guitars.. big time!!
Twilight-Ghost said on January 27, 2003 14:35:
One of my biggest admiration for Roxette is that their music changes. This just proves how versatile they are as musicians.
goetz said on January 28, 2003 00:01:
So many artists have changed and kept their succes while others have stuck and lost it. The problem is the quality of the new styles. After having heard the first verse and chorus you know how the new Rox-song is going to end! There are no more surprising middleparts like in joyride or the look because radiosongs today have to be shorter and per sad he doesn‘t believe in so-called albumtracks. And i‘m sure this 30 second clip is all we need to know the new song. we have the corus and a hint what the verse is like and the bridge. I bet we‘re not going to hear more in the full-version only the already-known stuff two and a half times in a row. God, I hope i‘m wrong!!
coyboyusa said on January 28, 2003 00:13:
I think Room Service has a clasic sound...
01- Real sugar not prodouced enough guitars too suybdued
02- TCOTH perfect song catchy radiof riendly
03- M&T&H great great ballad breeezy summer love song nto that greta live
04- Jefferson thank god for twatg
05- Little girlhorribel arrangement
06- Looking for Jane if only all his songs were this great
07- Bringin me down to my neeks underrate amazing song8- Make my head goes pop b side material but better than ycpuaawag
09- Try too laid back n depressing
10- Fool not enough guitars but great song
11- ITYNTTGH the best per ballad
12- MWMLML a more plugged in wicf style song aswesome but a bit repetitive
Jackie_Radiorox said on January 28, 2003 00:58:
They are never going to sound again like Joyride and Look Sharp if that is what you are looking for.
It’s no longer “sellable.” That some Roxette songs have lost their edge. Yes, I do agree with that. Some of the last songs in the last two albums (Let me say that I don’t HATE HAND - there are SOME good tracks - but I really do not like it.) have been a bit TOO commercialish. Thou, to each its own.
Also, not too sure just how much control P and M have over Roxette. But with 95% of most bands, management is who picks singles, songs on albums etc. A friend of mine signed to a Canadian label was allowed by management to pick 10 out of the 14 songs on the album, but management picked the singles. So who knows?
At least Rox is still making music, so bitch less and like it more. ;)
SkyDrum said on January 28, 2003 01:25:
I agree that Roxette has changed and a lot, but in my opinion, they did it in the wrong way...
Roxette is one of those bands which got caught by the middle ’90s synth and sequencing movement.
There are bands that were very successful in the ’80s and ’90s begining, and of course they made 80s music, and they are still very successful bands because they kept on making a kind of 80s music but with a modern sound. For example, the power ballads were a classic 80s music-type, so they are part of that decade, but there are bands like Aerosmith that made a power ballad some years ago when the movie “Armagedon” was released... It’s name: “Don’t want to miss a thing”. Great song!!! If you hear it, it’s obvious that it’s a power ballad but with modern sound and in the 90s!!!
I’d really enjoy Roxette going back to their home music-style: 80s pop/rock and power ballads. I started to like Rox because what I first listened was Joyride (old but good times), but if the first Roxette’s album I’ve ever listened had been Room Service, I would just take them as another current pop band... And sorry if this comparation hurts anybody but the current music they’re making is not very different than their home-country’s band A-Teens (I don’t like ’em at all... bah!).
And analyse this: if we are the Roxette’s fans and we are starting not to like their music, how would we invite other people to hear Rox if we don’t even like ’em? Think about it...
Greetings,
Leandro.
Sascha said on January 28, 2003 08:21:
Uhh, so many stupid comments!
1. If you wanna hear joyride songs: Listen to joyride!
2. If Roxette doesn’t please you anymore: Listen to other bands!
But don’t offend us who love Roxette’s latest material!
It’s that easy...
goetz said on January 28, 2003 12:25:
Roxette has been my favorite band for the last 12 years and still is. That doesn‘t mean I‘m forced to like everything about them! And where else can I talk about the few things I worry about? We don‘t insult anyone for loving Roxette‘s change so why can‘t we complain when we feel the need to?
It‘s in human‘s nature sometimes to talk although it is clear that nothig will happen.It‘s hard outside to be a Roxettefan so where can I go and let people know what i feel like about roxette?
Roxette-atic said on January 28, 2003 16:11:
OMG this is going out of control...
” weve been far to nice for way too long”...
Please man tell me you´re joking.
Btw... Sascha...loved your comment :),,,
NickNL74 said on January 28, 2003 17:12:
I am joking ;-)
Thought I’m also trying to make a point here. Unfortunately a lot of people are taking it the wrong way.
NickNL74 said on January 28, 2003 17:18:
@Skydrum : Exactly!! They changed in the wrong way.. like the title of TATU’s album.. 180MPH in the wrong lane... such a shame..
Vixzter said on January 28, 2003 17:31:
Sascha has got it spot on!
@the rest of you.....take notice of Sascha’s post!
;P
NickNL74 said on January 28, 2003 17:38:
@Vixter : Why is that? Isn’t it so that we ALL have freedom of speech? One is in title to speak his mind without restrictions... so.. spot off..
Vixzter said on January 28, 2003 17:39:
@NickNL74 the problem is you speak too much.....so spot on! ;)
SkyDrum said on January 29, 2003 00:39:
Ok, you see? Some stupid who call themselves “Roxette’s fans” are just “radio fans”. They found Roxette there, liked a song and they became a Roxette fan, and in my opinion, a cheap radio pop fan. I mean that Roxette’s last material is pure and cheap radio pop. That’s my opinion and I congratulate those ones who agreed with me or not, but that I’m sure that they like Roxette because they are good-music listeners. Does anybody want to edit this message and say “you’re right” if you do it? Cheers!
ttmo said on January 29, 2003 01:47:
All I can say that Per isn’t true to himself.
I still have it fresh in my mind when he said “we don’t do dance music , we do power pop-rock music”. Most of it now is dance. Can we have real drums sometime ? I’m tired of all the tsk-tsk drums in all the ballads. I like roxette since 1990 , ever since then they evolved nicely up until HAND.
I think Per got hit with something heavy right after recording TWATG and decided to make half ass dance album. Granted I like HAND but not as much as the other ones (I like it better than room service,room service ballads are crap , tsk,tsk).
I think they were trying to please the public and not being themselves (same thing happened with gyllene tider on heartland cafe. They rock-pop band and then suddenly the synthesizers are all over the place ... must’ve been on sale or something).
I say get rid of the clarence dude , get a new producer or produce without him. I hate Marie’s stuff that Roxette records , but yet most of her demos have guitars in it and sound good.
My question is “who is killing gutiars in production process”. I always thought marie did.
Why change something that isn’t broken.
Plenty of bands out there that true to themselves (U2). It’s not like Per needs money so badly .
I hope one day they’ll make album that they want to listen to themselves (like they used to).
20 years from now I’ll be listening to CBB rather than to RS.
Vixzter said on January 29, 2003 06:50:
i’d have to disagree there.....if it was dance it would have awful drum loops with vocals sped up. (go to www.bbc.co.uk and listen to bbc radio1 and u’ll see what i mean)
i think the closest they have come to dance is Stars.
Per will just carry on what he’s doing....wether ppls like it or not.
Ferdan said on January 29, 2003 06:59:
But he said something that i feel, i really feel is right.... Per isn’t true to himself in Roxette.
I said something like that in other post, i said Per doesn’t do what he likes... Per does what he thinks is correct to make Roxette sound “up to date” or whatever.
NickNL74 said on January 29, 2003 07:06:
@Vixter : There you go again. To YOUR oppinion I talk to much *is that possible at all?!* But who’s to say wether one talks too much or too little? I simply let my heart out and if you can’t handle that then don’t reply.. as simple as that :-)
@SkyDrum : I agree.. compaired to previous albums it’s cheap lousy pop music.. nothing even close to roxette music.
@Ferdan : Absolutely right! And that is exactly what I meant by saying that roxette desperately tries to sqeeze in with all the other dance/techno ’abnds’ from nowadays. If they would just simply stick to the pure guitarrock that initially brought them their big break, they would still be somewhere on the top.. at least they would not have lost their face, because they are not exatcly be taken serious lately.
@ttmo : “we don’t do dance music , we do power
pop-rock music”. Nice agruement!! I don’t know what to call the lates music of roxette, but it sure as hell ain’t “power-pop-rock”
It’s pure “anxiously-trying-to-fit-in-music”
Yes, Per has really outdone himself in tearing down the credibility they had.
As for Marie.. I don’t think Marie has that much to say when it comes to producing the albums. Per more than once told in interviews that it’s really hard for him to let someone make changes in his arrangements and he like to keep them in tact as much as possible.
To be honest I think Marie’s music is by far superieur to roxette tunes and it’s quite different in each of her albums without losing her own style. You can still tell wether it’s Marie or not.. THAT’s the art of making music and being true to yourself. I think Per could learn quite a lot from that.
NickNL74 said on January 29, 2003 13:13:
By the way Vix, did you forget about these remixes on cd-singles like WICF, STARS, COTH, RS, M&T&H?! They are not quite called german polka you know? ;-)
And as I recall there was an extra remix release of WICF.. apart from the single version! So.. no drumloops ey? Even Marie took some speed and put her health at risk to be able to keep up with the beats per minute in one of the tracks :-)
Vixzter said on January 29, 2003 18:32:
@NickNL74 I think I heard you say remixes ;)
You really shouldn’t get so uptight about things ;)
And when I said drum loops....I said no ’awful’ drum loops! ;P
Santi said on January 29, 2003 19:42:
@NickNL74: “Per has really outdone himself in tearing down the credibility they had.” -> When was this of the credibility? :O As far as I know Roxette has never got any credibility to music critics, and it’s reported to be one of the most “songwriting-trick user” and “radio-friendly producer” band... since The Look thru Joyride, to Stars, Centre of the heart or whatever... But hey, that’s what I like from them... it sounds so nice always :D
“As for Marie.. I don’t think Marie has that much to say when it comes to producing the albums.” -> As far as they let us know she “decided” Per should sing The look and Joyride should be the first single and sung by Per... according to The Greatest Hits booklet. Thinking that in 2 out of their 3 biggest hits she had something important to say and she wasn’t even the producer...
“Per more than once told in interviews that it’s really hard for him to let someone make changes in his arrangements and he like to keep them in tact as much as possible.” -> The whole Anders Herrlin thing I think it comes from here. The bass lines are “weaker than before” not because the bass player is Chris, but because they’re composed by Per and he’s not a bass player. I bet Chris is “just a puppet” of Per when playing, while it seems Anders could decide much more since he was also the recording engineer. He should learn to work in group, because it’s of wise people to listen.
“To be honest I think Marie’s music is by far superieur to roxette tunes .../... I think Per could learn quite a lot from that.” -> I don’t agree. To be honest Per’s solo music is much better than Roxette too. And it’s because he doesn’t have the pressure on him to sell more, the same as Marie solo. Just listen to “Galning”, “Blå December”, “Rickie Lee”, “På väg”, “Rädd”, “Tända en sticka till”, “Stupid”, “T-t-t-take it!”, “Wish you the best”... and I could go on. That’s “my” Per, he knows how to do great things, be himself and sound good all at the same time :)
Sascha said on January 29, 2003 21:43:
Well, at least t-t-t-take it, if not more of these songs, were written for Roxette! ;-P
Santi said on January 29, 2003 21:49:
And Galning for GT, and Rickie Lee for Marie. But the point is that GT split, Marie thought it was a throwaway and Roxette probably didn’t record it because the lyrics had too much content. Many rox songs are pretty void, but get the lyrics to TWATG and there is, it even seems an adult person wrote them. I like Per’s solo because he says things too.
ChrisWilliams said on January 29, 2003 22:01:
Groups and duos need to progress musically, otherwise they drain themselves of the energy needed to record a new album.
Per has a talent for writing songs in different styles, and I’d have very little respect for him if he was churning out Joyride after Joyride... Although Opportunity Nox sounds suspiciously like Real Sugar ;-)
Even Marie’s voice has changed slightly over the years, and you wouldn’t dare complain about that :-P
I love Roxette’s progression - It keeps me, and 99.9% of the fanbase, interested.
SkyDrum said on January 30, 2003 01:16:
I agree that Roxette is my fav band and I think that it will be it for a long time more, but because I think they change all the time and you have to be there when it happens, that’s it! But there’s something I gotta say: Marie and Per are very good musicians but I think that they could do better albums. There are 2 chances in my mind: they are not puting all in what they are doing, or their ideas have come to an end... What do you think guys?
Mfan28179-Jason said on January 25, 2003 04:41:
Hmmm...but I don’t think everyone will agree with your point. I am one, for example. HAND is my favorite Roxette album and I think it’s the best work they’ve done. That’s my opinion.
Maybe more Roxette fans feel the way you do, however. But keep in mind, not everyone feels the same.
I think it’s good that Roxette experiments and tries new styles.