The Daily Roxette

Roxette World Tour 2011 schedule
The Daily Roxette discussions forum has been closed. The forum is only available as a read-only archive.
‹ Most underrated ROX-tune. Oh my God.......... ›

Discussions: :

9-11

67 replies

Astronom said on September 11, 2002 05:16:

Today marks the one year mark of the tragic events in the US. Many people world wide lost love ones in those mass murders. My thoughts and prayers go out to them today.

I pray everyone has a safe day home and abroad. If you can, tell someone today how much you care for them. You just never know...

PEACE TO ALL

Billy

roxchurch said on :

PEACE TO ALL!!!!!!!

Eddie said on :

Peace for ALL. Not excluding Iraq nor any other nation.

poppy_head said on :

LOVEPEAS

zeeshan said on :

Pakistan remembers 9-11
May we all live in peace and harmony.
Yes to peace a BIG NO to war!!

Zee

Jud (moderator) said on :

peace and love to all!

just read today that Spanish goverment agree with Bush and Blair if they are to attack Irak.. shame..
as Eva Dahlgren sang back in 84:
“A choice between life or senses”

They are hiding at dinner parties
Behind worried faces
They can make you a hero
Or a disgrace to the human race

They can win or lose
You lose your life or your senses
They load you with arms
Still your mind is fenceless
Say no
Tell them you won’t go

“That’s the law” they told him
It can’t be true
He’s as right
But the law justifies you
He will crawl for you
Fight your war
He will kill for you
A legal murder force
And I pay you for it
To see him executed
What ever you say
I won’t take your excuses
Cause in my womb
There’s a survivor
But I can’t give life
Cause I feel like a traitor

There’s no Rebel Rebel no more
Even the rebel is bought
He used to stand up to the authorities
Now he doesn’t stand at all

So we’re stuck in the corner
Our faces to the wall
I blush for insanity
Die of shame for us all
Say no
Tell them you won’t go

That’s the law they told me
It can’t be true
I’m as right
But the law justifies you
Common sense you’ve heard that
I don’t think so
You make rules so we should
Dance on our toes
We crawl for you
Fight your wars
Against people
Who are slaves under the same law
But this is it
Won’t take no more
You can lock me away forever
But you can’t stop us all

and sings in 2001:

“there´s too many beliefs, too little faith, too little trust, too little hope.. and too little love, there´s too little love.. just too little LOVE”

Roxmaniac said on :

Yes, PEACE FOR ALL!!!

I´m with all those people, who lost friends, wife, husband, father, mother, brother or sister! I´m with you today!

To see those pictures again and again makes me really sad.

LOVE AND PEACE!!!!

Take care!

Ferdan said on :

*my minunte of silence ONLY FOR THE INOCENT PEOPLE*

gyllene_tjej said on :

My thoughts are with them as well

kachina008 said on :

great article ferdan.
thats why my TV stays off today.

I wish peace for the world, but i think that is REALLY wishful thinking :(

coyboyusa said on :

today i sat watching the memorial services as they read the names i cried....for the first time. I lived 10 minutes away from WTC, I saw the towers fall from across the river, almost lost some dear friends. Now we’re ont he verge of a war with iraq...and I don’t know what road we’re headed down. I just don’t ever wanna hear another list of names read like this again in my lifetime

ROXAIR said on :

USA is a shit and ours too, please is a forum of Roxette!!!

xarrrr said on :

all my love and thoughts to the families and everyone involved....

and higher love radiates on us all, on us all

ailsa xxx

PerFanatic said on :

@ROXAIR, I just wanted to clarify... are you calling the USA a piece of shit?

Oh, btw, if you want to read Rox-related threads, let me suggest NOT clicking on a topic that says “9-11”. Does this make sense to you?

Roxrider_USA said on :

Hey, everyone!! I hope everybody is doing fine. I want to wish peace to all of us and that one day the world may, at least, be a relatively peaceful place.

Take care everyone!!

@ RoxAir; Not sure if i understood you correctly, but are you stating that the USA is shit?? If you are, i believe you should reconsider and take that back. Gosh, why the anger?

Carlos E. , New York!

Markuz said on :

@Ferdan: excellent article

@Judith: I know what you mean, you’re one smart lady! >;) God bless us all now that the fate of the world lies in the hands of... you know who.

Jud (moderator) said on :

yep the article is nice.
In a way I think that we are all kind of brain -washed and just see what the media (read goverments) wants us to see.
What about the people who have died in Afganistan during the past year, paying for what a guy who is surely not living in there did? What about the thousand children that die everyday just because some goverments prefer to invest in weapons instead of fighting against hunger? What about the people that might die just because they live in Iraq?
What about... I could go on.. but I hope that you know what I mean, now we pity what happened 1 year ago as if it would have happened to ourselves and as the biggest tragedy ever, and they have tried to make everybody hate the islamists, muslims and anything that is not like us.
I am *not* saying that what happened was deserved or was not that big or something like that, I am just trying to make you think that more innocents have died and will keep on dying, wherever they live, whatever religion they have, and that we should not just be sorry for this one happening, but for all that have happened in the past and will keep on happening as long as the world is in the hands of some boys (read men) who feel they are playing cowboys and indians as if they were kids.

I think we should not wish peace & love to everyone just Today, but everyday.

Jud (moderator) said on :

@markuz can you please write me? ;) thx!

PerFanatic said on :

@ Judith - can you please elaborate on what you mean by the following:

“and will keep on happening as long as we are in the hands of some boys who feel they are playing cowboys and indians as we did when we were kids.”

Also, I will be writing a much longer post to address some of the disturbing things I’ve read here, but I did have one more question first:

So, in your opinion, Sadam should just go unchecked until... when? Shall we just close our eyes and “hope” that he doesn’t develope the means to destroy thousands of human lives via chemical or nuclear weapons. This maniac has proven what he’s capable of time and time again. Please, don’t be naive enough to think that they’re actually working on crop enhancement in those factories. He’s murdered and starved 1000’s of his own people. Do you really think he gives a damn about anything but is own power and wealth?

The bottom line is this: as a condition of his surrender in the 90’s, he agreed to let UN personel inspect his factories. Why would he be stopping them now if he had nothing to hide?

So, please let me know what you would do? Maybe Spain is not a primary target for Sadam, but what if you lived in the US or UK? Would your feelings be different?

zeeshan said on :

What about people in Kashmir? what about people in Palestine? YUPS.. this can become a long debate for sure.

Don’t call USA a shit! I am NOT from USA.. but I respect the people of other country including our traditional rival India. You see people of any country are not BAD.. these are the governments who screw up things all the time. No country is a “shit” but yes governments can be pretty nasty shit all the time!

Zee

vaxjoe said on :

agree with zeeshan thumbs up to u zee! ;-)

zeeshan said on :

am I dreaming or what??? hehehe u don’t get to see guys understanding your “point-of-views” on TDR much.. well atleast when it comes to Roxette ;)

PerFanatic said on :

well said Zeeshan! Very good point too. And let me compliment you on your open-mindedness regarding India. That is comendable. I wish others in this forum would also keep an open mind.

eva_roxer said on :

@ PerFanatic: Sadam = Bush

For me there’s no difference between them...they both have the power to make the world dissappear...but Bush have got also the mediatic power.

And about Blair...just watch George Michael’s new video “Shoot the dog”.

@ Judith: Thanks for your comment, I think EXACTLY the same.

vaxjoe said on :

hmm wasnt bush the one who when he was a governer had approved of the most death sentences ever?

matts said on :

@ vaxjoe, yes he was, I guess his the most stupid us president in history anyway. I respect the usa, swiss people always respect everybody I think. and since yesterday even switzerland is in the UNO ;-)
but lots of ppl die every day and not only in the usa, sometimes I think some ppl forget about that. in the beginning of last year about 30 000 ppl got killed in the earthquake in india, but nowadays nobody talks about them...

zeeshan said on :

I think people in USA are either too innocent or they have turned blind for the extreme propaganda which USA’s media show all the time.

Why don’t they ask their government “WHY AMERICANS ONLY?

DOn’t get me wrong or something.. but I belive that USA is not the ONLY “free-country” so is England and other European countries. Why don’t terrorists bomb them?? Blair I guess is making a bit of mistake by supporting USA in everything good or bad. This can turn these terrorists organizations start speaking “The friend of my enemy is my Enemy” and lord WE DON’T NEED ANY MORE AL-QAIDA attacks in “anywhere” in the world.

We here in Pakistan are facing extreme problems regarding Al-Qaida because Pak is a front-line ally in War against Terrorism. You need proof? They had a 4 hour gun fight with 5 Al-Qaida terrorists who were planning to do some terrorism in Karachi. The bombing on US councellate (spelling!?) was done by Al-Qaida (lukily Pak agencies caught them)

I guess it is due to USA’s double policies and their extremely complex foreign department strategies regarding the 3rd world. I would like to ask Americans to ASK THEIR GOVERNMENT “WHY USA”? why not Germany? why not England? why not France? Because they ain’t soo biased as USA’s government(s) have been.

Zee

zeeshan said on :

@Judith: I am impressed. I don’t know how I skipped your post but now when I have read it, I must tell you that I AGREE with you. BRAVO

@PerFanatic: Please read this...

Saddam was USA’s fav. pet when he was fighting against IRAN. The “Jihad” was HOLY for USA when today’s Al-Qaida/Taliban members were fighting against Russia. Osama was a friend/agent of USA back in Aghan war. What turned them AGAINST America? USA did that “Use ’em Discard ’em” which was and is a blunder.

Then we see MUSLIMS being blamed for terrorism. A terrorist means a muslim? NO WAY... and what do you think about HITLER? or Churchil (spelling?) were they muslims too? Terrorism has NOTHING to do with any Religion.

I am still very much disappointed at the Western Media, seems like they are not learning anything from the past. Islam is a religion of Peace and Harmony. Ohk.. lets not talk about Islam.. Lets talk about Christians, Jews, Hindus and Bhudists. They all belong to different religions right??? But I got a question to ask you... does religions has ANYTHING to do with Extremism? or Terrorism?? To my knowledge NO RELIGION IN THIS WORLD TEACHES IT’S PEOPLE TO KILL. They all teach to live in peace.

The point is DON’T mix Religions with Terrorism. I am a moderate muslim and come to my country and you will see how people are like here. They are not even the 1% of what they show in the Media. Infact they are TOO DARN MODERATE!!!!!!!!!!!! ;)

All I am saying is DO NOT BELIEVE ON MEDIA ALONE. Try going back to history, get some facts out and then analyze things. How can you say Saddam has Nukes? Even if he has Nukes then do not forget that USA is the ONLY country which has used a Nuclear bomb EVER in HUMAN HISTORY. We have NUKES and we know what they could mean. I don’t feel proud to live in a Nuclear capable country or something but I just don’t like it when the so-called “champions of peace” kill and then tell others NOT to kill. First try to look what’s inside your sleeves then tell other what to do.

PEACE FOR ALL. PEACE FOR YOU.

Zee

Jud (moderator) said on :

I have had the pleasure to meet a lot of people from Pakistan; my dad was trading with karate suits with them and we have even had them home for lunch and they are far from being terrorists ;)

The *only* mention to their religion was when they asked if we could cook something without pork - they were not trying to convert us to the Islam or sth ;)

(and that is nothing to say huh they are weird, catholic people are not eating any meat during certain Fridays of the year so..)

So exactly, muslims NOT = terrorists. As the Media has tried to put in our brains. Why aren´t they showing the images of the Afganistans that were celebrating a wedding and the US army attacked them? Does anybody remember that?

Of course it was hard and sad to see the attack on 11/sept. but please, don´t try to make it the most horrible tragedy ever. Cuz then we should start saying the names of the 6 Million jew and the people who are STILL living the concequences of the atomic bomb. Did we forget about that?

So yes, peace and love to all... always.

Jud (moderator) said on :

@eva_roxer: i knew I had forgot something, George Michael´s latest video ;)) Now we should add Aznar to the club.

lonely_girl said on :

Yesterday made me think a lot about innocent victims... The terrorist attacs were a terrible thing, I agree with everyone. But I think it’s wrong just to think about those victims. There are wars everywhere on earth, consider also Israel-Palestinian, Northern Ireland, Afghanistan and so on. Just switch on the radio and you hear about crisis everywhere.

And I personnally think that the behaviour of the American governement was / is just one reason that something terrible like the terrorist attacs happened. Don’t get me wrong, I was shocked when I saw the pictures about the planes crashing into the towers and the collapsing towers. But the Americans behave like they were the kings of the world and all other countries have to obey them! Just consider their environement policy or their behaviour against Iraq!!! So they shouldn’t be too surprised if there are people which can’t stand them...!!!

BTW: I was brought up the catholic way and I live in Switzerland!!!!

matts said on :

@ lonely girl : looks like swiss ppl have exactely the same opinion about the usa...

lonely_girl said on :

OOOPPS, Hej then

coyboyusa said on :

terrorists dont bomb most of europe cause they are neutralists. They age the reasons millions of jews died before the us was attacked and asked or for the most part begged to enter WW2. the simpl fact is there are alot of peopel out their envious of a nation, the youngest one on the planet that has done what it has take other countries 2-300 yrs to accomplish. Sure, maybe our media is a bit skewed, but when it comes down to it the only people who know anything about a story is the victim and the attacker. We here as americans as victims know that this is an ongoing threat, something the rest of the world is afraid to admit. Look to chechenia where islamic rebels have cause much chaos and death under the guise of a ” free” chechenya. I honestly at this point don’t think we alone should go into iraq. If you look to alot of science fiction writers and other novelists, ww3 starts when an holy war spawned by chaos in the middle east erupts all over the wolrd. I think israel should be made to conceed to UN regulations just as much as iraq....there alot of turmoil going on in the world alot of people do not understand,.....its time to wake up before its AGAIN too late.

ps> being muslim or arab has nothing to do with what the american nation feels towards the events of sept 11th. if thats the case we would be bombing saudi arabai...where 9 of the 11 hijackers came from

SirMikeAlot said on :

this is such an emotional issue, and there is bound to be differences in opinions.
i was both shocked and sadened when i saw the images of 9/11
but i agree with much of what judith has said
on this day we should remember all innocent victims of tragic circumstances – not just ones that are given exclusive media coverage

zeeshan said on :

@Judith: please don’t turn me your fan ;) I just want to stay a loyal ROX fan :=)

@coyboyusa: USA can not even IMAGINE to bomb Saudi Arabia. The whole Islamic world will not stand it and trust me it WILL give rise to the most bloddiest war ever.. infact.. this thing would destroy the WHOLE planet left alone USA or Saudi Arabia. So don’t even talk about that. When it comes to Chechnia then we all the know the truth .. Chechs are under heavy state terrorism much like Kashmir and Palestine.

Zee

PerFanatic said on :

blah blah blah...

I would envite you thrashers of the USA to simply try the following: post some substantive material with facts to back it up (not just the way you FEEL). Spouting nonsense and talking out of both sides of your mouth is hardly a way to have a civilized debate.

Oh, Judith and eva_roxer... I’m still awaiting your reply to my Sadam question!

antioxid said on :

I can reply to that:

Wait for the UN’s decision. Bush is not the king of the world and the USA is not the centre of the universe, as much as you’d like that PerFanatic.

OF COURSE the whole world is concerned about what Sadam might work out. But there are certain rules not to be broken. We’re not looking after a WW3 here and the USA haven’t been attacked by Iraq so there is no legitimate reason to attack them, yet.

And yes, I cried for those who died on September 11th. There were 3 portuguese there as well. But I also cried for the hundreds of innocent people who were offended by the Al-Kaeda and later by the allies who were supposed to be there to defend them. It was nothing but revenge. Now, I fail to see that as USA-bashing but rather as a simple analysis of facts.

And yes, the rulers of this world are more concerned with making bombs and playing cowboys and indians than with solving world hunger and environmental issues.

Hope this was good enough as a point statement.

Jud (moderator) said on :

Thx antioxid for posting for yourself.. and for me :P you saved me some words :D

StillFar said on :

PerFanatic: in my eyes, You are the biggest trash talker of all. In every discussion all you do is insulting people, where are your arguments???? I don’t really have to get into this discussion since most countries question US politics lately and don’t show their unlimited solidarity anymore...let Bush take care of unfinished family business, who cares if more civilians are killed (after all these civilians are just Arabs, right?)
@Coyboy: there’s only a couple of neutral european countries..you should know that!

antioxid said on :

Don’t mention it. We have our own little idiot who went running into Bush’s arms and offered him, as usual, our military base in the Azores.
Durao Barroso should be on that G Michael video too :P

PerFanatic said on :

Viva Barroso!!!

PerFanatic said on :

”Wait for the UN’s decision. Bush is not the king of the world and the USA is not the centre of the universe, as much as you’d like that PerFanatic.”
Nobody here, including myself, implied that Bush was king of the world, or that we want him to be.

”OF COURSE the whole world is concerned about what Sadam might work out”.
So, let me get this straight. The whole world is concerned, but nobody except the US, UK etc. wants to do anything about it? How do you define the word “concerned”? Sounds more like most countries either don’t care, or, more likely, don’t want to take a stand and (lord forbid) agree with the evil Bush, for fear of political retribution from their constituents. Talk about cowards…

“But there are certain rules not to be broken. We’re not looking after a WW3 here and the USA haven’t been attacked by Iraq so there is no legitimate reason to attack them, yet.”
Huh? Rules? Why the hell do think we’re in this mess in the first place? It’s because Iraq is not complying with the requirements set forth by the freaking United Nations! Last I checked, most of you on this list are from countries that are members on the UN, so don’t go blaming Bush for that, he wasn’t even President when these agreements were reached as a condition of Iraq’s surrender. So, I ask you, what power does the UN hold if countries can just ignore their mandates and resolutions without any fear of the consequences? I don’t see how you people don’t get this… it’s so obvious! Please, I urge some of you to respond to this one!

”And yes, I cried for those who died on September 11th. There were 3 portuguese there as well. But I also cried for the hundreds of innocent people who were offended by the Al-Kaeda and later by the allies who were supposed to be there to defend them. It was nothing but revenge. Now, I fail to see that as USA-bashing but rather as a simple analysis of facts.”
Please don’t put words in my mouth. I certainly have pity for any being that suffers or dies unjustly, and have never implied otherwise. But for me, as an American, the WTC attacks were the most horrible thing in my country’s history. Certainly I will always pay homage to those affected by those events, but that doesn’t mean that I’m not concerned and aware of other tragedies in the world. I really don’t understand the rest of what you said here so please elaborate.

”And yes, the rulers of this world are more concerned with making bombs and playing cowboys and indians than with solving world hunger and environmental issues.”
Yes, you’ve described exactly people like Sadam, Milosovic, Hitler, Mussolini, etc.
Bush is not perfect, or maybe not even the best President in our history, but he certainly doesn’t deserve to be compared to the world’s butchers and maniacs. Please people… educate yourselves a bit and try looking at things from a logical perspective.

”Hope this was good enough as a point statement.”
I give you points for at least trying (unlike others), problem is though, you’re referencing perceptions, not facts.

Judith, should I assume that antioxid speaks for you (based on your last post)? Hmmm, I was expecting a bit more from you, as you appear to be somewhat educated.

antioxid said on :

PerFanatic, this could be an interesting non-Rox conversation if you could at least compare your opinions with others and see nobody here is trashing the USA as you put it. And of course everyone is entitled to this or to that point of view. You have your own and you seem to be very skeptical in accepting what others have to say. Read your posts carefully and you’ll see what I mean. I guess you like to have your own little conflicts...

Regarding your comments:

1. Just because we don’t put our helmets on and go bomb Iraq doesn’t mean we don’t care. The USA do not have the right to attack another country based on presumptions. Has it ocurred to you that maybe that’s why countries like Canada or Germany are not supporting the idea? We need facts first and when someone confirms that Iraq possesses that kind of power (I don’t deny they don’t) I’ll be the first to support the attack of military bases. Not before that, no. Not when there is the risk of a nuclear war.

2. I did not mean to imply you were unsensitive regarding the suffering of others beyound your own kind. I’m sorry if I was misunderstood.

3. I did not compare Bush to fundamentalist fascists and you gotta be blind not to see what he’s trying to get here. A re-election would be very nice... And also, there are unresolved matters by his own father. I hope that is not the reason for this idiotic approach to the Iraq problem.

4. I don’t think that you get your point across when you start telling people you’re smarter than them. Most of Europeans know what fascism is/was. Oh boy, do we know. My country stopped in time for 40 years because of that. But that’s a different story.

Just one more thing: try to lower the tone of your posts. Why are you always so angry?

edit# you wouldn’t “yay” Barroso if you knew what his government is doing to my country.

Heart_2002 said on :

Love is all shine a light on us all....PEACE!!!!!

antioxid said on :

That’s a bit utopic Heart. But cool anyway :)

zeeshan said on :

blah blah blah...

I would envite you thrashers of the USA to simply try the following: post some substantive material with facts to back it up (not just the way you FEEL). Spouting nonsense and talking out of both sides of your mouth is hardly a way to have a civilized debate.

@PerFanatic : If that was for my post then buddy you gota study a bit more about HISTORY. BTW it seems like you are NOT ready to accept the truth so now use of argueing.

Zee

zeeshan said on :

@coyboyusa: “. the simpl fact is there are alot of peopel out their envious of a nation, the youngest one on the planet that has done what it has take other countries 2-300 yrs to accomplish.”

______________________________________________________________________

so u mean that America was born just a couple of years ago?? :D I don’t know about American history but I know that it is there for a LONG LONG time. Secondly.. America is a HUGEEEEE continent comprising of different states all under the Umbrella of the word “America”. It is soo huge that American government would never go bang corrupt even if they ask a single cent tax from a family each month. So they didn’t do something amazing or astonishing. They had the resources they used it and accomplished the task. If they hadn’t done that then they would have been the most lame nation on earth. Don’t get me wrong please but I am trying to be a bit frank here. Secondly.. Government of USA has been using other nations for it’s own profit so ofcourse that helps.

_______________________________________________________________________
“Sure, maybe our media is a bit skewed, but when it comes down to it the only people who know anything about a story is the victim and the attacker. “
_______________________________________________________________________

Couldn’t understand what that means :(

_______________________________________________________________________

“We here as americans as victims know that this is an ongoing threat, something the rest of the world is afraid to admit. “
_______________________________________________________________________

Do you mean other nations are blind?? or are too afraid to accept an incoming threat? I don’t think so.

______________________________________________________________________
“ps> being muslim or arab has nothing to do with what the american nation feels towards the events of sept 11th. if thats the case we would be bombing saudi arabai...where 9 of the 11 hijackers came from”
______________________________________________________________________

Saudis has billions of dollars in US Market taking them out can mean a new dawn in EURO and a dramatic or catestrophic fall in US DOLLAR market. But they have taken care of that by sueing a TRILLION DOLLAR LAWSUIT on ARABS and ofcourse the decision will be in the favour of 911 victims since this lawsuit will be held in USA courts. Saudis are gradually taking out the money and the recent rise in EURO has a LOT to do with Saudis pulling money from USA and pushing it in EUROPE. Like I mentioned earlier USA can NOT think of bombing Saudi Arab as the rest of muslim world might use nuclear/chemical/biological weapons to defend Saudis which would ultimately result in WW3.

China on the other hand is developing as the next Super Power but they have learnt a lot from USA’s mistakes and I hope they won’t do this when they finally take the SUPER POWER seat. You know this world has become a dangerous place to live in thanks to our Governments. Lets find another planet we will name it “Planet ROXETTE” or something and Per and Marie would be incharge for entertaining people for the rest of their lives which would mean Roxette unlimited with no Britneyshits. :D

Zee

PerFanatic said on :

zeeshan, no, it wasn’t meant to be aimed specifically at you. It was directed at those who blindly criticize Bush/USA just because we’re the USA, yet offer no legitimate alternative to the things they are criticizing (like to the Iraq thing).

PerFanatic said on :

zeeshan, coyboyusa was simply using that “bombing Saudi Arabia” reference as an example in proving his point. he was in no way implying that we would ever consider doing that.

Oh, and by “2-300”, he meant 200 to 300 years.
In addition, here’s a little bit about why the USA became successful so quickly…
According to your statement (if a understand it correctly), we’ve attained our success so quickly because our immense population constitutes one of the biggest tax bases on the planet? (I won’t mention that China has 4 times the population of the US). No, the fact is, this country was founded by people who wanted to escape oppression (unfair taxes, religious restrictions, etc.). Eventually, more & more people from all over the world (especially Europe) started to migrate here for these and other benefits. A lot of those people possessed not only brilliant minds, but a tremendous work ethic. Once here in the USA, they worked extremely hard and put their abundant skills to work to build this great country. A prime example is Andy Grove, one of the founders of Intel Corporation. He left Hungary during the turmoil in 1956 to discover opportunities in the USA. Now, 45 years later, he is partially responsible for building one of the world’s most important companies. So, many people like him came here to escape either persecution or, to make a better life for themselves financially. Think of it this way… there are those who are extremely bright and/or willing to work extremely hard and long hours. If you live in a country where you can only make it so far, not matter how smart and hard working you may be, wouldn’t you maybe think about going somewhere else where you could make a better living for your family? Yes, many people have stayed, but many others have come to the US. So, what I’m trying to say here is that one of the primary reasons we became successful so quickly is because some of the most genius and hard working people have migrated here, which has helped instill in us the work ethic most of us have today. No, it’s not perfect. A lot of us work insane hours and other aspects of our life suffer for that… but, at least we have the opportunity to make that decision, something that is not always available for those residing in other countries. Yes, much of our government is corrupt, just like most governments in the world, and you’re naïve if you don’t think so.

zeeshan said on :

@Par: thanks for clearing things up n I knew what coyboy meant I am also just telling you what might or would happen if they even consider doing this.
:)

Zee

Jud (moderator) said on :

peace & love

J

zeeshan said on :

@Judith: where are you from?

eva_roxer said on :

Hey, PerFanatic: you’ve written in reference to me:

“try using your brain a little bit and post something with substance”

”...makes you look completely pathetic (was that your intention?)”

“try using a little logic and reason in your response”

...so after reading this, I just have one thing to comment:

You’re really impolite and disrespectful. Here in my country there is still freedom of mind, so we think for ourselves and WHAT we want.
I don’t understand how you can defend to Bush and his policy...just ask to Cuba, Pakistan, Palestina,...it’s a shame.

coyboyusa said on :

america is not taking presidence over any other tragedy that has happened in this world. the realization is that as much as any idiot claims the us is undermining the world whenver there is a tragedy of human loss we are there, providing aid, food, and other resources to help people get on their feet.. we can’t feed clothe and shelter the whole world , peopel have to friggin learn to do that themselves. we aren’t the solution to everyones problem, and we are not the cause of them. noone is justified in using religion to excuse murder the was osama bin laden did, or even saddam hussein. i know alot of governments around the world don’t like our headstrong approach, but it was our resiliance that helped win ww2, and helped rebuild europe. the people of today forget that. AMerica was never before attacked on its own soil by such a horrific event with such a massive loss of innocent...and yes they were innocent lives. instead of the world nit picking at the united states they should start waking up to a threat like, as the did with adolph hitler, fester until it becomes out of hand.

a man who forgets the past is doomed to repeat it

coyboyusa said on :

yes i do think alot of the world is turning a blind eye to what is going on...they did it during ww2...though alot of you are too young to know what i am talking about. so what the saudis are pulling their money out of the american market...maybe it shows more guilt on their part than anything. lets be honest , there is a large group of the muslim order that personifies martyrdom. they endorse killing in the name of god as a way to get into heaven...read the freakin koran. the simple fact is this has nothing to do with religion...i dont see peopel still going after the catholics for the crusades? do you? there is one simple fact here...we live in this politicallly correct world where everyone is scared to do anything just to save face. bush, be humself a flawed man like any other may have his shortcomings, but on the issue of terrorism and saddam hussein he is right. how long should we wait...till he mustard gasses kuwait, scud missles israel, funds more alqueda operatives go blow up embassies. we cant live pretending nothing is amiss in this world

PerFanatic said on :

hurray for coyboyusa! It’s nice to see that someone actually gets it! You summed up the entire situation very well. I tend to get long winded, but made a lot of great points in one short paragraph! Thank you once again... I guess there still may be hope!

PerFanatic said on :

When there is an obvious truth that so many refuse to see (for whatever reason), yes, I will challenge them to see the situation in a different light. If some of you took that as disrespectful, then I’m sorry, that was not my intention.

Oh, eva, can you tell me what horrors Bush has caused for Cuba, Pakistan and Palestine? I must have been asleep when we bombed them.

Markuz said on :

Gee, and I thought that CNN was harmless...

Lars-Erik_Olson (moderator) said on :

I am profoundly saddened by some of the things I’ve read here...

The thing that always upsets me the most here in SmallTalk... more than someone using certain words we don’t allow here... more than off-topic threads like this one... more than thread topics that don’t clearly indicate what the subject REALLY is....

...is when one reader makes a personal attack (a.k.a. “flame”) directed towards another reader. It’s OK to disagree with someone... but there is NO NEED to be smug and nasty about it.

Please, please, PLEASE.... whatever you write here... write with RESPECT for others.

Roxrider_USA said on :

I completely agree with Cowboyusa and PerFanatic. i mean, people can’t forget that the US had nothing to do with WW2, especially with Hitler’s cause. It only became a US war too when the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor in Hawaii. Furthermore, the US sent thousands of young soldiers to fight Hitler’s army in order to help keep the European continent from being totally took over by Nazi Germany. Later on, the US, as cowboyusa mentioned, spent millions of dollars to help rebuild Europe. Therefore, those of you who insult the US for personal reasons or any other reason, should really stop and think about what to say. Yeah, everyone has the right to speak their minds, but, please, do it wisely.

P.S. : Can you imagine what would have happened to Europe if the US never had gotten involved in the war? Just think about it...

I’m really glad the US was and is able to help the world get rid of global threats and help other nations maintain their sovereignty.

Before some of you call me a fanatic patriot, I want to let you guys know that i’m actually Brazilian. However, i have lived here in the USA for 5 years and this country has given me the opportunity to better my life, broaden my horizons, achieve educational sucess and have things i thought i would never have in my life time. For this, i must tell everyone here that i just LOVE the USA!

Take care, everyone!! :-) !

Carlos E., New York!!

Jud (moderator) said on :

I meant from the beginning is that it is always innocent people dying because of *some people* who are playing a game where the target is to prove who is stronger or has more power.
I am not excluding any goverment, not trying to say any is better than the other. I am just sorry for all the innocents that have died (and that we might have forgotten) and will die for this reason and asked you to also please think about them. And think about peace and love everyday.

But after having been called stupid, pathetic and whatever other insult I can have missed because my education is kinda low and I can´t understand I personally have nothing else to say to some people who treat me like that just because I expressed my point of view and what *I* thought. No wonder the world is going as it is. Period.
And to the ones who understoon my point of view and shared part of what I said. Thx.

Peace and love to everybody.

vaxjoe said on :

SHOOT THE DOG by GEORGE MICHAEL!

for me those who want a war no matter for what reason are the same dangerous for humanity as any terrorist and that is that!

PEACE

kachina008 said on :

Quoting coyboyusa: “lets be honest , there is a large group of the muslim order that personifies martyrdom. they endorse killing in the name of god as a way to get into heaven...read the freakin koran. “
Muslims on this forum: is this true? I grew up around muslim people and I have never seen a more peace loving people.

What people tend to forget is that these extremists are about a minute fraction of the world’s population. their strength is NOT in numbers but in their evil plans for the world. most people no matter what religion, are fair minded and moderate. but eventually, in WAR, THESE are the people who will suffer and lose their lives, just like in the WTC. there is a saying in malay: when two elephants fight in the jungle, the little animals in the way are the casualties (loosely translated)...the civilians suffer, not the politicians who are enconsed safely, giving out the orders.

Pardon my ignorance but what exactly was happening with saddam and the states in the years between G. Bush Sr. and George W? how is it that *now* is the crucial time to stop saddam? seems to me that saddam is having a great time thumbing their noses at the states.

If the majority of the world community seems to find george W’s reasons for taking out saddam lacking to say the least, just in terms of majority, dont you think that he should take stock and think about it more? i really don’t care for politics, my opinions of GW are personal, what i *DO* care about is what might happen if there IS military action against iraq. if saddam does have all these weapons, what is the guarentee that he wouldnt use them against USA? at least right now while there is all this drama, no one is using any weapons of mass destruction. who is to say what would happen if war DOES occur? how is GW going to explain that to the families of those soldiers he sent to iraq?

I know Bush is sitting in the hottest seat in the world (president of the united states)...i dont envy him right now...but he is making decisions which will affect the whole world, and he is making this decision for the whole world. I am concerned about the man in the street, *US*.

antioxid said on :

I have to agree with L-E. Looks like there’s a personal war going on here. It was not my intention to attack anyone on this forum. I just think that people have to understand other points of view and not simply follow like sheep. And certainly not personally bash people like PerFanatic has been trying to do.

I do not have anything against the USA nor to its citizens. I reckon the USA have largely helped the world evolve in areas like science and health. And it makes important contributions to some countries. But that doesn’t cover my eyes when I think about the real reasons behind the possible attack to Iraq.
I’m glad most of Europe is not willing to follow this time. These things have to be thinked over and discussed with other countries. It shouldn’t be the case of “you’re either with me or against me”. It shouldn’t. That makes Bush as fundamentalist as Saddam.
And I really don’t see the WW2 issue as valid. The USA helped Europe against the Nazis when it was under siege and that was great. But, this time the USA are NOT being attacked by anyone, so I fail to see the connection here...

Don’t be so biased not to see beyound the obvious!

And to Roxrider, I see what you mean. Too bad the USA were not so friendly and helpful when millions of people in East Timor were getting slaughtered by Indonesia. Two sides of the same coin?
What about death penalty in some states? Isn’t that similar to some Muslim countries? What about the refusal to sign world agreements on environmental issues, on world hunger issues, on the creation of the international court of law? It’s not all roses! And sure it is all good for the people who live in the States, but what for the rest of us?

Bush is not trying to defend the world. He’s trying to defend his country. And maybe his actions would be more acceptable if he came clear with this. It’s a question of interests. And as kachina put it, who gave him the right to decide for everyone?

I rest my case. But please, don’t take this all so personal.

vaxjoe said on :

well said antioxid :-) and as u said europe shouldnt follow this time, the dilemma u re either with me or against me is fake and a bit of a blackmail

MamaT381 said on :

To those who have something nice to say, thank you and I also want to send my love and compassion to those who have lost love ones due to 9/11. I wish for peace to everyone in the world. May we all know a time without war!
-Tara (San Antonio, TX, USA)-

Close

Get the latest articles to your mailbox, subscribe to The Daily Roxette newsletter.

Enter your email address:


Delivered by
FeedBurner