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LEGAL access to "Roberta Right" & "I'm Glad You Called"
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Roxwriter said on December 3, 2008 01:52:
Ok so a huge section of Per (Roxette’s) audience live outside of Sweden and are therefore restricted from hearing these bonus tracks (for some retarded reason).
So, without causing a furore, is there any way for us non-Swedes to get these songs LEGALLY?
I read somewhere that people from Sweden can send the song via email and we can pay for it using PayPal? But will that money reach the artist though?
I really think Per or EMI should provide some advise to us non-Swedes otherwise we all know how we’ll be listening to these songs (limewire). But I’d rather not, I wanna pay for it, like most normal people, but how can we do it in a way that it’s fair?
Help?
Roxwriter said on December 3, 2008 09:18:
Cheers mate. Appreciate the info.
Ok, well I have a PayPal account if anyone wants to help out?
[email protected] if you want to touch base and we can take it further?
Thanks again for the heads up pwbbounce.
brentnewtown said on December 3, 2008 10:45:
The described method is not necessarily legal. Every country will have different copyright laws. An original purchaser may not have the right to onsell.
Anyway, it seems like too much effort to do such a thing when even the record company / Mr Gessle can’t be bothered releasing the tracks globally.
roxlad said on December 3, 2008 11:35:
For those who are planning to go to Sweden in the future just wait till you’re there and buy an iTunes pre-paid card, set up a swedish account using any Internet points and the song will have your name on it. I don’t know about Telia. The above operation you can do even if somebody e-mails you an iTunes gift code to use as credit. The operation is not really legal but the record companies are acting against the law themselves because in the EU there is a COMMON market and that is a limitation and infringement of EU law. If I had the money I would sue them!
Room_service said on December 3, 2008 12:28:
Haha, this topic is hillarious. If a Swede downloads the songs, I think the tracks will only play on his/her computer. I said this because the original buyers had to crack the copy protection of those files before sharing them with the fans abroad, it was not as easy as sending the original songs directly, it needs a certain process. So, you’d ask this person to download the song, take the payment via Paypal or any other method, crack the protection and email the songs. I know Swedes are (in general) very generous, but this is TOO MUCH!
In addition, the price of each song is 12,90 kronor. I bet Per doesn’t get more than 50% of that. That’s 6 or 7 kr which is almost NOTHING, if you consider he has gained millions all through the years. Do you think he really cares about these digital tracks being shared for free? I don’t think so.
Don’t make a drama out of this, and get these songs anywhere else. I’ve got the single and I will purchase the album soon. Should I be worried about getting these songs legally? Please, this matter is absolutely bizarre and almost ridiculous.
PS: Roxwriter, you want legal access to these songs... but in another topic you said the whole album blows and stinks. I don’t really understand you.
daniel_alv said on December 3, 2008 13:14:
@ roxlad: You are totally right about that there is a common market inside the european union. But the thing is that the rules about the common market only forbids the states with EU to limit the common market by law. EMI as a recordcompany can of course decide to only sell to Swedish people as they are free to choose who they deal with. But as long as a legal copy is sold inside the European Economic Area (EU + Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein) EMI can not by legal actions stop you from selling that copy to anyone inside that area. You can’t force EMI to sell the copies themselves because of the common market.
The way with Paypal should be legal atleast inside the EEA, but maybe the files wont work because of copyprotection?
roxlad said on December 3, 2008 16:55:
@Danial I see it as if I go to a shop in Milan and they don’t want to sell me something because I am from Rome. Maybe they have a sign saying please no Romans in the shop! :) Anyhow this is completely off-topic so I’d better not go on about it. As for the DRM. Telia uses the WMA format which will only work on the computer where the related license is stored. I’m not sure if you can transfer the license somewhere else. iTunes has no problem because the AAC file, apart from being better quality is also DRM free and will work anywhere.
daniel_alv said on December 3, 2008 17:39:
Of course you can’t use rules that discriminate because of race, sex or sexuality, but you are allowed to sell only to people living in Sweden.
rossyrox said on December 3, 2008 22:34:
What’s the point in buying the music outside of Sweden, my CD still hasn’t arrived from megastore.
miso said on December 3, 2008 22:42:
No: there’s NO WAY to buy that songs outside Sweden *legally*.
Read here http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/us/sales.html Buying you declare to live in Sweden and to be an end user. If someone from Sweden buys and sells to you the song is violating the terms.
I don’t know Telia, but I don’t think it’s different.
I’d simply download, if you want to support Per buy the album or the single...
Roxerally said on December 3, 2008 22:46:
“Theme From Roberta Right” is a great song, perhaps one of the best on the album!
daniel_alv said on December 3, 2008 23:05:
@ Miso: Those are the terms for the US Itunes store. As I wrote above: according to swedish law you can sell a legal copy to anyone inside the EEA.
Room_service said on December 4, 2008 00:12:
“I’d simply download, if you want to support Per buy the album or the single...”
That’s the most wise sentence I’ve read in a long long time!
miso said on December 4, 2008 14:08:
@daniel:
well I linked the US terms because I don’t understand swedish but
http://www.apple.com/legal/itunes/se/sales.html
I guess FÖRSÄLJNING ENDAST INOM SVERIGE and FÖRSÄLJNING ENDAST TILL SLUTKONSUMENTER mean “sales in Sweden only & to end users only”. Am I wrong?
daniel_alv said on December 4, 2008 15:01:
@ miso: Yes, it does, but it doesn’t change anything since the law gives you the right to sell it to other people inside the EEA.
thomasc said on December 13, 2008 15:42:
I have the same problem...I wanted to download Mikael Bolyos album outside of Sweden - not ben able to find it anywhere. I only want it for Hometown!!!
coyboyusa said on December 26, 2008 14:44:
this is exactly why i still feel digital music has let music fans down we still have to deal with internation music companies proprietary rights and refusing to release stuff to digital musci stores in other countries. What the hell happened to emis digital store, shouldn’t they have had all the tracks available from day one? ANd not for nothing, why weren’t at least on of these tracks maybe put out on the first 50 mintins of the single? To me it’s all stupid after a while, the novelty of exclusive tracks died off with digital media, so why do we still have to deal with it?
so say we all
coyboyusa said on December 26, 2008 23:38:
heheh yeah, how funny is it that gaeta is ” bi”. lol I am a huge fan been watching it since day one it’s gonna be interesting to see how they wrap it up, i hope they don’t kill off cast members I want to sleep with :X lol
so say we all
pwbbounce (moderator) said on December 3, 2008 09:01:
The only way, at present, is what you mentioned earlier. Ask a Swede to download the song for you from Telia or iTunes (make sure they just don’t copy the one they’ve already got though), and then they can send the song to you via email once you’ve paid them with PayPal.
I can’t think of another way. Once they’ve downloaded the song to send to you, the artist will then get paid. They won’t lose out. The only way they’ll lose out is if the Swede sending you the song doesn’t download a new copy. Maybe ask for their receipt as proof?