animalkingdom said on February 18, 2002 00:34:

So what ARE you doing? ;-)

gyllene_tjej said on February 18, 2002 01:06:

Hej Pietro, excellent job once again, thanx! BUT I still claim the FC pix are worth buying. If you followed our Gessle is a sexy babe thread you would see that some ( I won’t point with my finger:)))) would actually kill to get that discussed Per live photo as a real pic and not just jpg. So, I think it is not really about choice.

pietROxette said on February 18, 2002 01:50:

I just said that those pictures that the fanclub sells aren’t professional ones, made by professional photographers with professional equipment, they are only pictures made by fans from the crowd.

The fanclub decided not to put those pictures to www.roxetteontour.com for free but rather sell them.

You see, there are people willing to buy them anyway. So why don’t you have those pictures online for free and sell them for money if someone wants it on paper. Would be rather fair...

Roxmaniac said on February 18, 2002 06:57:

Hi Chantie!

Why do you discuss? If someone wants to buy these pics, than she/he should do that. You can do what you want, but you´ll never win everyone´s heart! So, it makes no sense to discuss here!

But I think pietro is also right! But we can decide, if we want to buy pics, or if we wanna download them for free! So, I don´t understand the problem! Sorry! Chantie hasn´t said, that we have to buy these pics! She just wanted to let us know, that these pics are now available at the fanshop. And I´m sure, there are many fans, who are thankfull for that!

But that´s only my opinion!

Roxmaniac said on February 18, 2002 07:07:

I agree with StillFar!

Iertje_ said on February 18, 2002 07:58:

I say get them both! Download those really nice pictures from pietro’s website and buy the fanclub’s tourpics that were made with professional camera’s etc. ;)

The more the better! I love pics! btw take a look at the Innsbruck ones.... Chantie made them and they are the best!

Arlanda said on February 18, 2002 09:07:

@chantie I’m sure, you do your best for the FC. I’ve orderd the fanpack of all shows! Of cause it’s a lot of money but for me is it allright. I WANT to hold the pics in MY own hands and not just see them on my computer!!!

BTW: I like your homepage, it’s GREAT. :-)

Cheers.

Arlanda said on February 18, 2002 09:30:

@chantie You are welcome, keep up your good work! :o)

chantie_ said on February 18, 2002 10:35:

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Katuska said on February 19, 2002 04:19:

LOL:-)

No, that was not so high, that’s why I could reach Marie’s hand...

cisca said on February 19, 2002 10:42:

hej all
This is the first time that im reading in this forum, and i must admit that i was somewhat dissapointed in this thread. I want to share that with you, Im not here to say, that the fanclub is great, and im Most definately not here to say that you MUST buy the pics that we have to offer. I just wanted to share a few things with you.

I was the photographer for the Room service tour, Representing the fanclub last year. It was a great time, but very tiring. I am a professional photographer, and i have been for a few years now. Due to heavy luggage , i needed to choose one of my cameras to make the pictures, and i went for my Nikon, F60, with Automatic focusing . Basically I went too 21 Shows, and all the time the rules where the same, simple, 3 rules, Dont go on the side or the front of the catwalk, Dont use your flash, and get the hell out of there after the 3rd song. Simple it seems, I know, but more diffecult, then you think.

Marie is very hard to photograph. Per is easier because he tends to stay at his mic, and doesnt move around alot, Marie runs from left to Right, Right to left, and again. Its almost impossible to get her with a telelense, because you need to keep relatively Still and so does the focus point. That is why i have more pictures close up of Per, he is easy to ” grab ” as we say. So its down to 3 songs, of which you can only take pictures in two of them, as the third song is complete lit up in red, and diffecult to make a clear shot.

Stages, Whoa, always different I must say, most diffecult was proberly barcelona, the place was so big, and the stage was so high , that it made it very diffecult. Roxette didnt travel with their own stage, it was provided by the venue , those yellow trucks where carrying the barriers for front fow, sound equipment and lighting and the instruments ofcourse. German shows where fine, but the security did often get in the way, so to speak. taking pictures from the crowd was allowed in germany in the eariler shows , and this caused a problem for the press too, because the flash behind you , ruins your own lighting. Being the Press you could often choose, Left or Right, Per or marie side, I went for Per when possible because it was a better side for the lighting. From that point of view, I took pictures of marie , and i can understand that it looks like im in the crowd. I wasnt always only zoomed in on their faces, because you need to get a broader aspect at times. A Fan standing front fow, top of the cat walk, will most understandably get a good shot of marie when she is on the catwalk, im sure, because one show, I got permission to stand top heavy on the catwalk, from BO, and thought it would be great, but actually not, because only when they are on the catwalk, but when they are on the stage, behind their mics, they are actually quiet far away, To me it seems.

Karlstad was the best show for me , Kiel too, In Kiel per played with me looking into the camera a few times and making big eyes and flashy smiles. Marie is very concentrated on the crowd, and the lyrics .... (woops did i say that ? haha) This message is not to make anyone angry, I am just proving that i was press, which i thought i would never have to do, The tour was excellent, but i missed alot, After the third song, we get led away, to a room, to take the films out, and lock the camera up, this often took time, and i always seemed to miss REAL SUGAR, which is my favourite song. I gave that up, because i was doing 2 things i like to do, well 3 . 1 was take pictures , its always a challenge. 2 , i was making a memory for the fans and 3, i was listening to the best music on earth and the 2 nicest people making the music.

thanks Cisca.
ps, for the rumours that are to follow, I took leave from my job for the tour, I used my tax return money, my holiday money, and a credit card (that is still not talking to me) I had absolutely no financial support from the fanclub to be on tour, except film rolls that where provided by them.
oh, and a coke that ronald brought me, in sweden, hahaha, but that was his money.

pps , Greetings to all the nice Meet and greet winners that i met on tour, Hope you all got your pictures complete, it was great taking you backstage to meet roxette, and thank you for everyone that didnt faint :-) ( that was my biggest fear hahaha)

chantie_ said on February 19, 2002 11:08:

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pietROxette said on February 19, 2002 11:14:

About the trousers... well, it might be right that they are hard to clean... actaully Marie’s pants with the eye on (I love those trousers! Soooooo cool!) werent’t too clean in Vienna :-D

animalkingdom said on February 19, 2002 11:40:

@ chantie_

Very nice photo...And funny *looking at Cisca*

raisa said on February 19, 2002 21:09:

big thanks to cisca about the fotos in backstage.
it was fun to be with you strange people from netherlands. and you thought that finnish people are crazy.. i was just a little girl from little town in north finland and all alone in big capital city. *grin*

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little-miss-sorrow said on February 20, 2002 10:42:

Well... I’ve been to a few shows as well. What I always though when I saw someone from the fanclub taking pix was “wow, it must be cool to take pix from soooo near but how THE HELL do they make it to the audience (or even front row) later??? No way.” I think there are always two sides of everything. It sure is cool to do something like that BUT I would have died to miss real sugar and not be in the front once!! ;o) So hats off to everybody who did...

raisa said on February 20, 2002 11:46:

@Sarah
can’t forget you and your coke. *grin*
i really had fun with you. ;)
it was great night.

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Iertje_ said on February 23, 2002 09:09:

Chantie: You don’t need the courses and all... you are a natural! Just look at the Innsbruck-pics!

btw: Hi Cis!!

Lars-Erik_Olson (moderator) said on February 23, 2002 15:08:

Cisca’s comments regarding photography include a reference to what I consider to be the most important distinction between “snapshots” and “photographs”... and that is composition (she talked about trying to “see” more than the typical Japanese tourist). Bravo! It’s easy to learn how to use a camera... it’s quite another thing to develop a photographer’s “eye”. It takes practice, but I believe it’s a skill that can be learned. Yes, there ARE INDEED courses one can take to learn to be a photographer.... and working in Photoshop on my computer will never replace the magic I felt working in a darkroom. To be a PROFESSIONAL photographer (strictly defined) would mean that you derive income from taking photographs... that it’s your profession, your job (or at least a part of your job). One can have a fancy camera... but that doesn’t make them a professional photographer.

Clara said on February 24, 2002 04:57:

I found some pictures from the tour on this page. I don’t know if you have allready seen them but some of them are great!.
http://spain.roxette.org/especial/tour/intro.html

cisca said on February 24, 2002 05:58:

Dear AGBF

I named myself a professional photographer and on the contrary , like Lars Erik said, a professional Photographer makes a living out of it, which i most certainally do not. It is a hobby for me, Not my profession. I use professional equipment so maybe its best redivined as a Experinced photographer, As i am a Manager IRL.
If you do not wish to buy the fanclub pictures, then dont, no one is forcing you too, you too can take them from the website, they are available there too.
As for you not thinking my pictures are not good, well that’s a pity, I know alot of people like them, Thank goodness you didnt see all the ones that where completely screwed up and didnt make the scanning process. Working with a telelense , working against the lighting , with no flash is not easy, im sure you dont have the prior experience of standing in the press ring with a camera , there purely to take pictures , it looks so easy, but it can be extremely hard, i found that so, just my personal experience.

And as for the fanclub using the money for new camera’s, well i dont even want to start with that, i thought i cariflied it in the beginning, that is most definately not the case. Otherwise id have a new camera and i dont. People that are against the fanclub, yes i can understand, but adding more fuel to a already dying out fire, is only what i can sigh about. Ofcourse there always has to be one.

pietROxette said on February 24, 2002 07:05:

I think some parts of this discussion are turning to be pointless.
I don’t consider my pictures better than Cisca’s - neither say that her ones are way cooler than mines. With this, I’m not telling that she’s not a professional photographer. When you are in the audinece and making pictures of a band performing, you can’t really make »perfect« (I tried to aviod the word »professional« here) pictures. You know, the band is moving all the time, the only thing that matters is to know when to push that button. OK, professionals might have a little more experience in finding the moment to shoot the camera, but that’s it. You cannot compare a picture that has been made in a photographer studio with special lights, make up and everything with what you make during a concert. Most of the time, it doesn’t even matter what kind of cameras you are using (well, of course it matters, there are some basic things your camera must have). You see, I made all my pics with a throw-away camera that cost less than 10 Euros, including the film inside. I also have some pictures that have been made with a digital camera but using such a device in a concert is not a good idea, since when you take a picture with a digital camera, to obtain a sharp result, the object you wanna photograph should not move when you are taking the picture, for about a bit less than a second. To do this during a concert is a very hard job.
Anyway, I say that whoever made pictures during any of the concerts should share it with other fans. And if someone believes that the pictures the fanclub are selling worth 1 €, then go for it and buy it.

cisca said on February 24, 2002 16:41:

Hi Iris ,

Its a good Idea, but unfortunately we have invensted in another idea already. One that the fans will definately like because Per is supporting it 100% . Im affriad I cant tell you what the idea is, because Due to New jobs, 4 management members moving house ? (is that possible lol) oh and the fanshop moving house, we dont want to make any promises, and dont want to make a due date. All I say is that it’s Nr 1 priority and we all hope you like it when it arrives. So please dont think of it anymore, it will just arrive ( sooner then you think) in your postboxes

cheers
cisca

j_adoreMF said on February 25, 2002 06:06:

The cd rom idea is great. But what about the poor fans who don’t have computers??? What about them? I’m sure they’re happy withthe pix in the fanshop!!!

Iris said on February 25, 2002 07:29:

Well, I can’t believe that there is anyone who don’t have a computer and if they have not, that’s what I said .. you can go to a shop and give them the cd-rom and they will print for you the photos (I could tell a lot of shops in Vienna and Austria who make that for you and one photo costs with a size of 10x15 0,28 Euro and it’s in that good quality that you could let them be printed in poster-size too)... so the “poor” members have a lot of advantage of that cd-rom even if they haven’t a computer ...
I’m sorry that the OIRFC doesn’t wanna take some kind of that idea, but I hope for their members that they will have a really great surprise for them ...

cisca said on February 25, 2002 09:59:

ofcourse there are fans without computers, many of them actually, we are all privilaged to have pcs and live in europe and america, but what about the fans in russia and lithuania etc etc etc. Internet seems like a mother tongue to most of us, but we havent had it for so long, and if you have, then you are more privilaged then you think. And you dont have to be labeled poor because you dont have one, to me you are labeled computer illiterate.

And about the FanClub project?
* cisca tapes her mouth shut and looks innocently around the room *

Iris said on February 25, 2002 10:22:

Well, that’s a really good point Pietro .. that’s how I thought about it too .. if there are fans without computers they can’t order the Fanclub-Pics either, because they maybe wouldn’t even know there was a tour :-P ... just kiddin’ ...
But that’s true ...

cisca said on February 25, 2002 11:31:

and that , is exactly why my mouth is taped shut for the moment kids ..

sorry, but you wont get it out of moi :-)

take care and have a good week , im off for three days, ready to paint my computer room.

pietROxette said on February 25, 2002 11:53:

Free computers maybe from the extra profit on the pictures?

Iertje_ said on March 1, 2002 07:50:

Pfffff jeez people... either you wanna buy the pics or you don’t. Please stop arguing about it!
Good thing that rox-fans don’t rule the world, it would be a bigger mess than it already is! (Hmm... but I guess some wars started for less than this).

And about fc buying camera’s: all pics I ever made for the fc I made with my very old Nikon. It’s older than me and I got it from my dad. And I love the thing!

AGBF said on March 2, 2002 10:31:

Na na na don’t sware chantie ... mesa don’t like such things, btw where from do ya know Pietro is your honey ? That must be new *grin*

chantie_ said on March 2, 2002 10:52:

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pietROxette said on March 2, 2002 12:17:

By extra profit I meant that to develop a 10×15 glossy pic costs like 30 cents. The difference between 1 euro, the price the FC sells it for.

But I’m not gonna argue about it, make a profit cause you have work with it. Completely up to you.

Lars-Erik_Olson (moderator) said on March 2, 2002 13:25:

Sorry, but I can’t let the “because the FC isn’t allowed to make a profit” statement above go without rebuttal. There is a common misperception about “non-profit” organizations. All “non-profit” means (in the simplest terms)... is that at the end of the fiscal year, there isn’t any money left over – it’s ALL BEEN SPENT (on administrative costs [incl. salaries] or programs). The American Red Cross, for example, is a “non-profit” organization, but their president earns more than the CEO of the “for-profit” company that I work for. “Mothers Against Drunk Driving” is another organization that angers me off due to the outrageous salary their president earns every year. I understand that the small group of people involved in running the fan club are not getting rich off of it (there just isn’t a large enough customer base... they aren’t enough Roxette fans left anymore – which is why the former “Official Roxette Fan Club”(s) [back in the days of Joyride] have gone out-of-business). But it DOES rub me the wrong way when OIRFC people try to claim they’re not getting ANYTHING (however small) from all this “sales” activity going on. I do NOT object to their earning some kind of compensation (salary, perks, etc.). I only object to their not being very upfront about it.

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Iertje_ said on March 10, 2002 02:03:

As for the stuff about the ’former boss of the fc’, this has nothing at all to do with our fc. We just took it over from him and have nothing to do with the former fc, just like we have nothing to do with the one in Poole/Dorset from the early nineties.

Iris said on March 10, 2002 10:16:

Hi Iertje .. that’s what I said before, that the former official FC-leader had nothing to do with you ... that was the reason why I wrote that in that way so that no one will blame me saying that you make the same or something like that ...
I only took that for an example ...
But sorry, I have to tell you something allthough ... sorry, but if you make loss with something you’re selling because you take less money for it than you spent than you are some kind of ... well, what’s the word .. hmm not dumb .. that’s too mean .. but some kind of that and for people it looks like you’re making profit if you sell something with such an obvious higher price ...
So why don’t you sell your t-shirts with a higher price and make the pics a little bit lower ???
Doesn’t that make more sense??