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My Words and Apologies

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ally77 said on September 12, 2006 13:15:

I just had a really polite telephone conversation earlier today with Lars-Erik Olson (TDR Editor, for those that don’t know) about what happened yesterday with the sharing of the new songs that Roxette are about to release next month.

I was fortunate enough to get those songs sent to me yesterday and I appreciated getting the chance to hear them as it has been a long time since we have had any new music from Roxette. Sadly I was also guilty in passing those songs on to a few more people and thus the chain got bigger.

I didn’t feel guilty at the time, I feel happy at being able to share those songs with other people who I knew would appreciate them as much as did, I guess the same way as the person who let me have them. I think anyone that has friends in the roxette community probably would have done the same and shared them with there closest friends.

Once it became aware that people had heard the full songs, topics where being created on TDR numerous times yesterday from people discussing what they heard. There was indeed a lot of positive comments from people about how they where pleased to have Roxette back, like me hearing those songs created a happy moment for people around the world. A lot of these topics where inundated with requests from others asking to be emailed the songs.

I discussed with Lars the impact that this illegal file sharing has done, not just to the reputation of TDR but to the plans that both Per and Marie would have had in place for the release party and first play of the song. I suppose in a way that was something that I didn’t think about at the time, and I guess it’s something a lot of people who also heard the songs and passed them onto others didn’t think about either. However what’s done is done and I cannot turn back the clock for the part I played in emailing those songs on.

I decided last night I would not be emailing them on again (mainly because it was time consuming) So despite several requests already today from people I am sorry but I am not prepared to fulfil them. However I cannot stop others on the internet distributing them and I also cannot stop the many topics that will appear on TDR over the coming days asking for the songs.

So this is my apology to both Per, Marie, The Management and the staff at TDR for the part I played in distributing those songs. I was wrong, and I apologise.

verano said on :

This was an honest and really good apology. Therefore, I hope you’ll not get punished for this. I think most of us can understand the joy and excitement you felt when you wanted other fans to share the songs with you.

Have a nice day!

thenicekai said on :

Respect for this post and congratulation for changing your mind. Great move, ally! :-)

ernes said on :

I have not sent the songs to anyone, I have only downloaded One Wish for my pleasure, having the fact that I will buy the Box.

But I give all my support to Ally77, she did what excitement made her do and I am part of those peoples breaking the rules.

But, there are many other people out there, sharing the songs and so, and I am not hearing anything from them ...

I think the first one writing a post like this should be the first person leaking all the songs to us.

Ally77, go on, you are great. You did with One Wish what the radio will be doing in 2 weeks. And, there are not thousands of people with the songs right now, just a few of those more supportive fans who, mostly, will buy the compilation even if they already have this songs.

bevi said on :

honest apology.
i understand you perfectly,for sure if i would have had these songs i would have wanted to share them!
if this help you in some way, i will tell you that i have download all the 4 songs but have not listened to them (except ILHYLM) cos i want to wait until the Rox Box (yes, it may sound stupid but this gives me ilusion) and if i´m not stronger enough and i listen to them i will buy the RB anyway.

once again: honest,real,great apologies. i´m with u!!

NickNL74 said on :

Ai ai ai.. ally77.. tell me I didn’t read this post right. I haven’t been on this forum for a few days, so I wasn’t aware of the file sharing.
First off I have respect for the fact you’re bold enough to appologize.. you’ve got some serious balls there!

On the other hand I feel deeply sad this has happened (yet again!). I realize this would have happened anyway, but I hoped that would be AFTER the official release.
Like verano said, I too can understand in the excitement you felt the need to share this with other people, but now you see what the consequeces are. Luckily you stopped, but the others will continue sharing them with others and so a lot of people will have the song long before it’s official release and makes the song “old” by the time it gets on the radio.
I also can see the owners (in this case P & M) of the songs will be furious.
Well, I’m not trying to bring you down or lecture you because I believe you see the seriousness of this incident. I also believe you regret what you did and that you’ll think twice next time.
True, this could have happend to a lot of people. It’s very understandable (and tempting) to share something that is very much wanted by others.
But, with these kind of things (and actually a lot of things that are ’doubtful’); try to turn it around and pretend it’s yours and someone else would do that to you. The thoughts I get then is what keeps me from doing so and abort any further action.

Be good! ;-)

chrisjankunas said on :

I’m there with ya Ally. Although I didn’t upload and physically share the files I did point people who requested personally from me towards the right links which in fact is the same thing. I also apolagise to TDR, Per, Marie and everyone here if I helped to ruin any kind of presentation that P+M were planning. :( This is the first release that I have been a present Roxette fan - I became a hardcore fan in 2004 and I guess excitement got the better of me. But I am sorry.

Sascha said on :

I instantly felt that Marie & Per would be quite disappointed about the leak, though I couldn’t resist either to hear OW and R. It was just too appealing...

Now I hope that the songs don’t find their way out of the TDR community to filesharing networks or other public distribution. And that all the downloaders either legally buy the songs or delete them!

Don’t let this steal the joy surrounding ROX20 from Marie and Per!

Claire said on :

Well, its unfortunate but it happens thats the consequence of the internet.

I have not passed on the songs nor will i do so but last night i was just as excited as everyone else about hearing the songs and it will not stop me buying the box.

coyboyusa said on :

well i am gonna play devils advocate here and say the following....you’re not the one who should be apologizing, your source should be..and if that’s a tdr mod or staff member then so be it.....on the other hand i think i should thank you and all those who sent me the songs you kinda cemented my fears......neither of the new songs are very exceptional...one wish more so than reveal....and myth...let’s just say i probably wont buy any of the releases and if this turns out to be the last new material they release its a shame...

ally77 said on :

@ NickNL74

I was only a very small part of people who where file sharing these songs, I think mainly because I spent most of my spare time at TDR yesterday talking with others over the new releases that people assume I was the one who leaked them first but that was clearly not the case.

@ coyboyusa

Just to make it clear my source was not a TDR moderator or staff member who gave me the songs…. I got them from someone else, who obviously got them from someone else and so on and so on. They had probably been around the block many times before I got them!

davidc4 said on :

everybody makes mistakes we are all human.............can i have the track? kidding...i can wait...goodness knows its bin a while anyway...i wouldnt feel to guilty tho..it wont do much damage if any at all..

substitute said on :

I’ve got the songs from a closer friend!Not from u Ally77.
But the songs really make my day,my year,my life!!
I love them!!I’ve always donwload the songs when they appears first on internet.But i ALWAYS buy all the Roxette releases!!!
I download the songs first cos i can’t wait to get them on the stores!!I’m terrible impatient,especially about ROXETTE!!!

Krischan said on :

Well, I guess this got me all feeling guilty now. I was unable to withstand the hysteria, thrill and curiosity either. I cannot enjoy anymore what I was allowed to obtain yesterday evening.

I beg everyone’s pardon who is concerned.

Grmpf.

ernes said on :

I am not saying this is not “punishable”. Everything that happened was illegal and I was part of it as many others.
I am sorry for that too.

Anyway, isn’t it strange that this all happened? Who was this misterious “man from sweden” who leaked all this songs (in my opinion too many)?

Marketing? ...

We are all happy now, almost forgetting what happened with all this RoxBox thing and almost all waiting to buy the Box, now or in Christmas ...

:-)

Illegal, punishable but great effect on us all.

ncurran said on :

What happened here was natural really. Of course if a track leaks then fans will want to share it and discuss what they have heard. Perhaps we should have been just a little more discreet about it. Still, the really guilty party is the person who leaked the tracks....to whom I am very grateful I might add.... but if Per/Marie/the management want to point the finger, then it should be within their own circle.

whateveriam said on :

I’m really sorry, but it was spur of the moment, I was so excited and happy, but I fully realise what its done now...and boy do I feel like crap!

*goes off and has long think about deleting songs*

Zargo said on :

Well, what’s done is done... I guess a leak was probably always gonna happen anyway.

whateveriam said on :

True, I’m just really worried now...

davidc4 said on :

whateverism..... i dont see the ponit in deleting the songs.. at the end of the day if you dont pass them on then theres no reason why you should just keep them now

Krischan said on :

I thought it was great if this thread was left for people who like to apologize. Just a proposal...

whateveriam said on :

Well, I’m more concerned about TDR really. I think you can guess why.

whateveriam said on :

’...Dangerous and beautiful, the radio transmission that I have to know...’

I think that sums it up! Because the song is beautiful, and now its become dangerous, and everyone wants to know it, if you get what I mean.

For anyone who gives a toss, the quote is from a song called Shout (the best Depeche song penned by Vince Clarke in my humble opinion). If you wanna see...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZR75YS_FJs

Majdy said on :

Hi, Ally. I just want to say that many of us might done something like you did. We know that you don’t mean the bad thing but just want to share the happiness you get with other people.

whateveriam said on :

I’ll second that...

Our sharing was not done out of spite, however I’m not so sure about the perpetrator

Stockholm-Syndrom said on :

Yes you should feel guilty – shame on you ;-)
But it is understandable in a way also if it wasn’t fair.
Now it’s done and lots of people are happy (again) and that’s cool!!!
Maybe it helps per to forget his anger ;-)

TyroneKnight said on :

Hey ally77 and fellow-fans,
what happened on 06/09/11, would have happen with anybody else and any other music group too. As far as I remember, you been not the only person got email from the “strange man”.
It’s all a matter of time.
And it’s important to say, this is not the only Rox-forum people spread this songs.
The songs whirring around “One Wish” and “Reveal” seem to be in a strange, quality.
I believe, they are not even finished and mastered.
The time is marked different from the announced time.

According to roxette.se
One Wish 3.30 bootleg 3.03
Reveal 4.00 bootleg 3.43
Maybe this all are demos! And this was truly a BAD HAIR DAY.
I experienced that before with another Project.
(DjBobo & Sandra - Secrets of Love, when an absolutely unfinished and different version was out on a bootleg, months before).
Didn’t share people yesterday like on a previously tolerated way from forum?

My point is: When it leaks, the one who steals the songs should feel guilty at first.
And it’s not just normal or natural, that alot of fans even still ask for this songs.
It’s expected from us beeing interested. Isn’t that why we are fans?
Considering we would not ask for Roxette’s music, Per and Marie would do something very wrong.

Sascha said on :

The times should be correct. Different lengths for GH/RoxBox versions. The leaker must have had access to both albums: OW and R from GH, M and A/ILHYLM from RoxBox. Or the original soundfiles/tapes...

ncurran said on :

TyroneKnight, these sound like finished versions to me. I get the sense of deja-vu, when people were convinced TCOTH was a demo....it turned out to be the real song

abysmo said on :

OK, done. But I believe that Per, Marie, management and TDR team can understand this. They should know, that yesterday was one of the happiest day for so many fans. There was no bad intention, only big big longing and expectation. I know it´s not apology but it can help to understand what happend yesterday. Well, I´m going to buy single, because I´m a fan, because I´m a collector and therewithal because One Wish is excellent.

pallis said on :

I wonder who this “strange man” is....It’s must be someone that is very “into Roxette”. After all he shares the songs on TDR....

ATLTK said on :

I agree with Ally I also have to spoligise the people i,ve sent them too. but I did it because I wanted to make people happy - thats the only reason

tomos85 said on :

Don’t know what to say...

Eh, I don’t feel really sorry for what I’ve done yesterday but I understand Ally’s point of view. It was illegal, but most of us (me included) will buy single (at least) and maybe GH20 / RoxBox later (when it will be cheaper). So in that case, I do not feel sorry that I’ve listened to new songs and sent them to fans around the world.

I feel (and will feel) really UNHAPPY if someone who got the song on 11th September won’t buy anything officially released. It would mean that what I’ve done turned out to be sthg terribly awful. It would mean that because of me Marie and Per earned less than they should for their hard work... But soon or later, those kind of people would download song... it’s just few days, does it make diffrence?

We know new songs, we’re happy to have them and we cannot change the past... I’m sorry for what I’ve done, but probably I would have done it again... it’s temptation, forbidden fruit that no one can resist...

xxx

TyroneKnight said on :

hmm, I really don’t know.
Well, I let me surprise about the originals! I’m still looking forward to. ya, things like yesterday get happen all the time and I don’t think that’s a big deal. BUT these new songs still make my day.
hey I guessed for a good moment that was a sure Promojoke. after all that controversy with per lately. It’s getting really exciting here!

pallis said on :

Why didnt TDR stopped it earlier?
Can it be promotion?
Now everyone talks about the new songs.....

whateveriam said on :

No, can’t be promo, cos we’re not talking about it anywhere else than in Roxland...unless anyone can correct me on that

Max-Tob said on :

Hm. I got the songs from the same unknown person. I listened to them a few times, yesterday. And I didn’t even put them in my ipod, I didn’t even burn them on a cd. So I didn’t even listen to them in my stereo. And I didn’t even move them in my desktop. They’ll be laying forever in the laptop and I will only listen to them occasionally, in my headphones. I would have never bought the roxbox ’cause I am not interested. I was grateful for receiving the songs, but I kept wondering all day long (and I did post a few comments on this issue) how come that nobody came to stop us? OK, some threads turned grey. But rather late. And always when ppl tried to direct other people to some links. We all knew something went slightly wrong, but we all waited to get some kind of warning! At least I did. Since the warning didn’t come, we kept fooling around passing the songs from one to another. Our biggest guilt wasn’t that of sharing them (all “blame” goes on that unknown Herr who was kinda nice after all). Our biggest guilt was...our indecency. We knew we shouldn’t get excited here on TDR, out in the open, under Per’s angry eyes and apparently helpless (??) mods. We all behave as if the songs were already out legally. Why? Because, on one hand, we were quite excited and therefore indecent, and on the other hand, because we thought we will got some kind of serious warning at some point...Since we didn’t, we supposed the mods are just closing their eyes and let the mice play on the table. Something like this.

And I wonder where Per is right now. I suppose he’s not even in the country to watch how we agree and disagree upon his songs two weeks before their being out. Hm. It’s not a very confortable situation. In some way, it continues in the same tune as the ROXBOX tracklist battle...Rebelling in different ways against the hand that “feed” us lol. No, really, it’s not our fault. That was something expectable (sharing the songs before their being out). The awful thing is that we did it out in the open, on a forum whose policy is rather close to that of an official one...

I would pay the money that I won’t give for the roxbox just to find out what Per thinks right now. lol

gyllene_tjej said on :

oK then, here’s what I have to say about the whole thing:

Much as I admire ally77 attitude - that she had the guts to stand up and face the music, I still don’t get it why there’sbeen made such a big deal of it?

Sure many of us requested the songs, some of us listened to them all, some others not. I myself only played OW on and off, but in terms of what is written above it still makes me as guilty as the rest because I have the songs...why?

Call me narrow minded if you want but I don’t see it doing more harm to fans and TDR reputation than you know what (I’m referring to the massive uproar and some unpleasant comments flooding TDR recently coz of the RoxBox issue)...

I’m convinced the sole purpose of sharing the songs was to SHARE the happiness between all of us - that is- FANS. I think everyone benefited from it - TDR was once again buzzing with life - Roxette (should they happen to come round) got very much positive feedback and fans were overjoyed (now, that word found its right place) about Roxette’s comeback!!

I don’t think anyone here is foolish enough to put the songs on dc++ or any other p2p prog...The songs served as a teaser and at the end of the day we’ll all buy the upcoming stuff....so?

and regarding the leak itself...hadn’t it been that one person it all started from, it would have been somebody else - sooner or later, as it had always been like that - ever since RS days at least.

So, all things considered, I do not think this little episode should bear any influence on our Rox 20 celebrations - other than triggering the hysteria a bit earlier than expected.

TyroneKnight said on :

Yeah I came to the same point. It can’t be promo.
It seems to close by the ilegal way, bringing songs under the people.

ally77 said on :

@ Max-Tob

Thanks for your comment, I think most of what you worded there was what I wanted to say but could not really put it in words but I agree with you whole heartily!

@ gyllene_tjej

Very well said!

@ ATLTK

Thank you Ted!

@ tomos85

Very well said also, I guess we both played a part in it yesterday, but we cannot turn back the clock!

@ Everyone!

Thanks to all the people that have supported me, and to all those nice emails I got today since I posted this! It’s nice to know that people understand I didn’t create this problem I just let happiness overtake me and I was guilty of forwarding on the songs to people who requested them!

Mari said on :

edit: Stupid me :)

whateveriam said on :

But you ’download’ them from the email!

Mari said on :

edit: still stupid

Mari said on :

edit: soooo stupid :D

whateveriam said on :

Tis strange, but indeed a loophole...you got me there!

whateveriam said on :

But these didn’t come from TDR, but from email groups based in US (hotmail), so American law would apply surely? Oh, I don’t know, never had the need to think about it before...

Strest said on :

Downloading pirated material from an e-mail is the same thing as downloading from the web, from direct connect, from kazaa, from ftp etc.
If it’s legal or illegal I cannot say because it depends on which country you’re in, but it’s illegal in “most” countries.

It doesn’t matter what-so-ever where TDR is located since they didn’t spread the files.
(But it would’ve mattered, for them, if they hadn’t closed the thread.)

Edit: IF I downloaded the songs and IF I also sent them along to someone else I’m not sorry for it.
I strongly believe this will not affect the sales of the new GH/RoxBox/single(s) since if you were gonna buy it you still will, and if I didn’t plan you all that happened was that you managed to download the songs earlier.

Also, it changed the topics from the RoxBox to the new songs, and quite frankly, I think that was good for Roxette (and for us).

I do, however, hope that TDR won’t get into any trouble because of this!

Mari said on :

whateveriam, my mistake. You are right. TDR didn’t send the songs :) Stupid me. I need sleep :)

Anyway, of course it’s wrong to listen and send song which isn’t officially release. But I think most of us will buy the stuff anyway, right?

activewatcher said on :

You still don’t get it, do you?

The problem is not that you were keen on the tracks. You are fans, this is understandable. And maybe you have shown your interest by this.

The problem is rather what you have done to the TDR. It’s not only the reputation as the leading Roxette newspaper, it will certainly go much further. You cannot take for granted that the TDR can tell you the newest stories about Per and Marie. What the guys do here are they doing in their precious spare time. They try to stay in contact with Per and Marie, which is certainly not easy. They try to get the goodies for you. (And I’m sure the fact that these goodies have decreased over the years has nothing to do with the quality of the work of the TDR staff.)

The TDR staff depends on the good will of Roxette and their management. And their good will depends on how you treat this forum. I hope you can imagine that yesterday’s action was not helpful at all for the relation between TDR and Roxette. Easily imaginable that something got broken yesterday.

Now the mood of this thread has turned into a “oh it wasn’t so bad, why do you complain at all”. Guys, it was bad and you know it.

whateveriam said on :

@Mari, don’t worry hun, I’m sleepy too. Night night

@activewatcher-most of us are like this, cos most of us are going to buy it anyway, regardless if we had heard it or not. Oh come on, if some person emailed you the songs, would you just delete it without looking? Talk about looking a gift horse in the mouth!

ally77 said on :

The thing is anyone can create a Hotmail address from anywhere in the world (especially a .com one) so it’s would be hard to say where the original email came from.

The illegal side of things is the fact that everyone who requested the song, downloaded it and received it into there email account is guilty of receiving stolen goods!

whateveriam said on :

Ally, don’t remind me!

activewatcher said on :

@whateveriam: Please read my post again, think one minute and please answer again.

The question is not whether I had taken the songs. The question is what happened after that. I don’t talk about actions that occur under the surface. (I wish you good luck and a lot of fun there, really.) I talk about the things that happened above the surface and that are so dangerous for this forum. Please try to understand this. :-)

whateveriam said on :

Are you joking? I know what this could do! I’m not completely green!

To prove my point, please read my post on the previous page

’Well, I’m more concerned about TDR really. I think you can guess why’.

Oh yeah, the question was a rhetorical one btb

ally77 said on :

@ activewatcher

I understand you completely and all of what you said was pretty much pointed out to me by Lars today in my call and this if anything is what I am truly sorry for.

TDR is a fantastic site, and Lars and the other people behind the scenes do a great job at keeping people updated with news.

whateveriam said on :

Hell yes!

tomos85 said on :

Yeah, they did and they still do. Respect.

Lennon said on :

Okay, my “short” analysis what happened, from different points of views:

WAS IT ILLEGAL?
By German law (and I guess this is more or less the case for most countries) you are allowed to use music you have got on a legal way for private purpose. Private purpose includes to make a copy for a friend or for yourself (e.g. to listen to it on the MP3-Player). You may not undergo a digital copy-protection, so you would have to make an analog copy of it.
The question is now, did you (“you” is now anyone who received/downloaded the tracks) get the tracks on a legal way? If it is obvious they were stolen, you have not the right to use them (not even listen to them or store them, as far as I know). We can asume that noone from the management wanted these tracks to be spread now. On the other hand someone received a track from anybody closely involved in the project. So he/she received it in a legal way but maybe broke an agreement by spreading it. But the person who received it afterwards maybe did not know about this agreement. So I guess juristically it is hard or impossible to verify a delict to anyone here.

WAS IT OKAY?
Obviously everyone of us who listened to some of those songs knew that it was not the intention of the producers of this recordings and releases (Per, Marie, the management a.s.o....) that these songs were available before September or October. So regardless of law, it was not okay.
But on the other hand: we did not hurt anyone. Very most people who have these tracks now will buy the releases, cause they are fans or/and collectors. And on the other hand in 6 weeks many people will own legal private copies without having bought the CDs.
But we took away the decision of the owner of the copyright, WHEN the release should take place!

WHAT DOES IT TEACH US?
In physics there is one principle: you cannot destroy information! For the age of internet, were information is spread mainly in a digital way it means, that it is not a big deal (from the technical point of view) to copy some 0’s and 1’s. Record companies like EMI try to reduce this by copy-protection which only annoys people who PAY THE MONEY FOR IT! Ironically ONE person who cracks the digital copy protection (or makes a legal MP3 of it on the analog way) and then spreads it is enough to enable EVERYONE on this planet to get it for free (without any barriers like the paying people have with the copy-protection).
In this case the tracks were out even before the copy-protected CDs were ready. Ironic, isn’t it?
Will it influence the number of sales? No! Will the records be copy-protected anyway? Yes!
How can you prevent the spreading of songs? By not giving them to anyone else and not releasing them!

WHAT ABOUT ALLY77?
I really apreciate your appologie. But in the end you are just one snow-flake in this digital snow-ball, so everyone of us is guilty here in a way! You shared something being yet rare with others, that at least is not naturally! So I’m sure that everyone will see there was no bad intention in your actions.

AND WHAT ABOUT ROXETTE AND MANAGEMENT?
I know, it is annoying in a way. But on the other hand, this big interest is just because of their success. Imagine you could travel back in time to the late 70s and tell Mr Gessle what happened today. Would he answer “What, that’s terrible? My songs were stolen?”, or what he smile and answer “your kidding, I don’t believe in time-travelers. but if I had ONE WISH it would be that my music becomes so popular that many people want to have it”. And that’s what’s the fact now!
I have a small website with selfwritten songs together with my sister. Unfortunetly our songs did not spread much so far! So as a musician I really are a little bit realous here :-)

RESUME:
I think it is not that bad in the end. It’s just an indicator for a band still being very popular! Nontheless we act against interests of some people, but that’s everyone of us (including me) who asked for those songs, NOT ONLY ALLY77!

Vixzter said on :

I’d like to hold my hand up too!

no exscuse’s

just wish i hadn’t had antyhing to do with it now to be honest.

what more can i say, sorry seems pretty pointless after the event but.... i am sorry!!!

qrox said on :

Nice words Ally :)
Should I feel the same as you? Maybe, but somehow, I don’t regret I shared those songs.

As a fan, when a new song is leaked it’s very hard to resist to look for it. I know it’s wrong, but it’s stronger than me. I cannot resist, I get desperated.
Luckily for me, I got the songs from several sources (which I won’t reveal ;) and enjoyed them earlier than lots of other fans.

Several people asked me for them. This is the second time I have songs everybody wants to have and I’m not supposed to share (neither have) and it’s not an easy situatiton to be in. I mean, if I share them, I feel guilty doing something that may be perjudicial to Roxette, but on the other hand, I can imagine how some fans get as desperated as I do, and I think “it would be awful reading everywhere that the songs are fantastic and haven’t been able to listen to them”. And it’s true! It’s awful not to have them!

I decided only to share them among my close friends, who I know that will buy the box and the greatest hits (some of them, several different editions of each one). That way I’m certain that what I do won’t affect Roxette sellings. Of course, my close friend may share them too and they may not think like me, so we are in the begining again, is it right to share the songs when I don’t know if that will affect Roxette sellings? I don’t know, I can only say that I will share the songs when I feel like it, when I feel that the one who asks me is someone as desperated as I was yesterday. I’m not sure if that is a good thing, but at least that way I consider myself a good friend who helps other fans.

By the way, I believe that it was an intended promotional leak. It happened with Room Service too. Correct me if I’m wrong, but there wan’t any snippet for TCOTH. Then the whole album was leaked (some versions said that Per was the one who put them on the net). A few years later, ATAY came. There was a 30 secs snippet, but there was not leak. The same happened with ON. Now, there is no snippet, but there’s a leak.
I’m pretty sure it was intended to be this way. I hope I’m not wrong.

*Added*
I created a new discussion about the leaked songs, maybe it would be better to discuss that on the new discussion so we don’t go off topic.
http://www2.dailyroxette.com/smalltalk/thread.php/16766
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roxtexanet said on :

I’m not sure why this topic is on the table this time round when this is exactly what happens with every new Roxette release... some kind fan gets his/her hands on a copy/records it from the radio, whatever... and makes it available for other fans to enjoy. It won’t make a lick of difference in the end - people who don’t buy it now because they don’t like the song wouldn’t EVER buy the single just to find that out - they’d wait until it appeared on iTunes and preview it or do what we all did in the olden days and listen for it on the radio!

In any case, every artist endures this (it’s not a problem unique to Rox fans) and I think we as a group were quite wise to keep the file sharing via e-mail requests only - makes it harder for a casual fan two weeks for now to get a free copy of the track.

Last thing I will say is that many of us just want to HEAR the new song - Roxette could do themselves a world of favours by uploading the track as a lo-fi stream on their official site like many other artists do... for example, I was curious to hear the Killers’ new track awhile back and all I had to do was go to their site to stream it. Didn’t waste another second looking for an illegal download - the song is great and I will happily buy the album when it comes out. Same with Rox - I’m sure many others are thinking the same.

Room_service said on :

I didn’t get any file from Ally77. I didn’t ask for the complete songs either. I got an email from “herr_mazarin”, subject: “You may like this download”. Now all the fingers point to Ally, but she was not the one that got the songs from the original “source”. It was Ally this time, it could be someone else the next. The subject was very suggestive, I couldn’t help it.

We, the normal fans, didn’t have any access to the new stuff. It would be different if the song was recorded from the radio, after the premiere, and then spreaded all over the fans in the format of mp3 file. But in this case, the source is from EMI, or someone close to Gessle. Don’t blame the normal fans, because we are not guilty. The songs were well locked, if someone took them and made them available for us, that’s the real responsable. Call it Herr Mazarin or Reveal2006.

And please, stop all this moral speach about the illegal file sharing. We have discussed this many times, and we KNOW it won’t hurt the sales. Fans will get the official releases sooner or later, and casual buyers are not here and didn’t get the songs. So, what’s the fuzz about this? This was all planned, so stop making a big drama. I bet Per is laughing after reading all this. He knew this would happen, I am sure he is not worried about it.

Krischan said on :

If someone’s car is unlocked, the keys are in the ignition lock and you drove it away it’s no theft? Because the owner (or whoever) made it available?

No, that’s too simple. Still the car is the owner’s property. And yes, it’s a moral issue as well, like it or not.

What really should concern us above all is that the relation between P&M, D&D and the TDR staff may have become considerably cooler. That’s what most of us are afraid of.

Room_service said on :

Well, then go to the offices of EMI Svenska and look for Herr Mazarin among the staff. And throw all the moral speech in his/her face :o)

Krischan said on :

“It’s always someone else’s fault. Never mine.”

Now I regret having started at all. Well, forget about it.

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