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The United Nations
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TinyBubbles said on July 23, 2006 06:39:
I actually made these remarks on a different forum but i’d like to know your opinion too.. go on plz restore my faith in the UN..
(From santi’s orkut community “the fight for common sense”) :
The United Nations 22/07/2006 23:25
What was the point about the UN again? Formed after WWI in order to prevent another WW from ever happening again? After another WW and WWIII seemingly unavoidable these days, (*rolling eyes*)i can’t help but wonder if the UN isn’t a bit USELESS?! I know their peacekeeping forces try and do their bit around the world and i wont deny the aid in all forms they supply to needy countries are admirable. But isn’t the main aim to ensure peace around the world? I know i know.. i’m too idealistic. As big as the UN is.. no force can keep ppl from hating eachother
Main Aims 22/07/2006 23:30
taken from the UN websiste..
The UN has four main aims:
1). To keep peace throughout the world.
2). To develop friendly relations among nations.
3). To work together to help poor people live better lives, to conquer hunger, disease and literacy, and to encourage respect for each others rights and freedoms.
4). To be a centre for helping countries achieve these aims.
They get points on (3) and (4). .but (1) and (2)?!!?
22/07/2006 23:40
The Principles of the United Nations:
- All Member States have sovereign equality.
- All Member States must obey the Charter.
- Countries must try to settle their differences by peaceful means.
- Countries must avoid using force or threatening to use force.
- The UN may not interfere in the domestic affairs of any country.
- Countries should try to assist the United Nations.
lol, member states dont obey the united nations.. the UN has no real influence on member states.
Countries must avoid using force or threatening to use force?? Lol the UN’s own member states dont even follow that rule..
this is the worst:
The UN may not interfere in the domestic affairs of any country?!
So does this mean if genocide breaks out in any given country that the united nations will do nothing? Please tell me i misundertand that. That cant be right.
Countries should try to assist the United Nations >> i guess that is why Condoleza Rice is on her way to the middle east. Without making this too political, i personally dont think it is a good idea for the USA or any other country, be they UN members or not, to interfere. Things should be left to the UN alone to deal with. Oh wait.. i forgot.. the UN is USELESS.
whateveriam said on August 2, 2006 09:47:
I know its in New York. But TB, don’t you mean that the US acts like the UN?
coyboyusa said on August 2, 2006 23:46:
the un is a farce it has no global political influence and is inded funded heavily by the usa, rember that next time the un makes food drops to starving countries and earthquake victims, thats usa dollars :)
Room_service said on August 4, 2006 05:58:
“next time the un makes food drops to starving countries and earthquake victims, thats usa dollars”
I don’t think the USA gives away money for nothing. I guess they expect something in return everytime they help any country.
As the UN are working today, I think is a little pointless organization. Not all the Nations have the same status, that’s a lie. The fact is only a few nations are deciding over (and ignoring) the others.
coyboyusa said on August 4, 2006 21:42:
its a klarge numbe rof countrieds that ignore the un be it russian the usa somalia the congo u need to read up more :)
Santi said on August 4, 2006 21:51:
Oh well, but the country that most often and most times has ignored the UN has been Israel without a doubt...
rox-kuryliw said on August 5, 2006 11:15:
I personally think , the UN is VERY important and needs ALOT more power. Needs there own army ect ect . and needs to act faster.
whateveriam said on August 5, 2006 15:11:
The problem with the UN is that it is in its own ivory tower. They believe that a resolution will work on its own, with out any additional help. No one beleives it works any more, if it ever did...
rox-kuryliw said on August 5, 2006 15:52:
i totally diagree. They dont have enough powers to do what they need to do, to much red tape.
whateveriam said on August 5, 2006 15:55:
’Do you kids want to be like the real UN? Or do you want to squabble and waste time?’
Sorry, kid brothers watching the Simpsons- and I couldn’t resist.
whateveriam said on August 5, 2006 15:59:
And whose idea was it for the UN to have so much red tape in the first place? Does anyone even know?
I refer to the ivory tower, because the UN is so bogged down in redtape, it rarely sees the cold light of day. Ever.
coyboyusa said on August 6, 2006 10:25:
the red tape evolved out of a sense of accountability and decorum and like any goerning body it turns into what they have now a group with no credibility and no power. You can’t in some ways blame israel for being independent in some of their actions.....the holocaust taught them that if you wait for other people to act you’ll be dead. They were right to bomb iraq whne they tried to make nuclear power plants and I have a sneaking suspicion at some point, whether right or wrong they will go after iran, but at that point i think the world needs to stop getting involved with either side and let the 2 of the annihilate each other
LittleSpooky said on August 6, 2006 19:52:
Coy: Obviously you’re quite clueless as to WHAT specifically is happening in the Middle East... but then again, you can be forgiven for being brainwashed by the American Media to believe what you believe. What’s being portrayed on the boob toob isn’t even close to the whole story. But you’ll never see that in America. I know... I live in the same damn place (but my tv is just table decoration unless I watch a DVD / VHS with it)
Santi said on August 6, 2006 23:34:
It was the expression “Red Tape”, which I was not familiar with at all... :D
So I wasn’t getting anything of the last part of the conversation...
whateveriam said on August 7, 2006 20:56:
Have anyone ever been to the UN building? Apparently its very, um, retro...
coyboyusa said on August 8, 2006 13:57:
its very very obvious whats going on in the middle east and no offense but this total bs about americans being brainwashed by the media is exactly the brainwashing your own media does to you. The simple fact is they are ignorant peopel that the world would be better off without let them nuke murder and mame each other just leave the rest of the world out of it
LittleSpooky said on August 8, 2006 22:02:
Coy: I won’t get into it here with you. You’re just not worth the effort of typing it. Not to mention, that I don’t want another damn thread deleted because of the direction that the conversation turns.
Just keep this in mind:
Isreal is NOT the “innocent victims” that they want the world to believe. They started the assault after the “abduction” (see they’re embarrassed that one of their own was captured) of one of their soldiers. That’s like me coming over to your house and taking your dog, and then you coming over to my house, shoving a grenade down my pants and pulling the pin.
IT’S CALLED OVER-REACTION!
Oldag75 said on August 9, 2006 00:54:
People are squealing about this latest Middle East conflagration because Israel is... take a deep breath... winning the war: They’re pulverizing the Big H out of those who have attacked them.
The United Nations consists of a few capitalist democracies, plus a whole bunch of socialist states and dictatorships who simply want lots of stuff (for free) from those capitalist democracies. That’s how leftism works – the slackers, who produce nothing, always demand to share the produce of the producers. You know, like Democrats in the U.S. Hillary in 2008 !!!
The motto of the United Nations should be “Eunuchs To A Man.” Because that’s pretty much all that the U.N. IS.
LittleSpooky said on August 9, 2006 05:59:
Let me see if I understand this correctly:
You’re PROUD that Isreal is starving innocent Lebanese civilians? You’re PROUD that Isreal is bombing civilian homes because they ASSUME this is where Hezbollah is hiding, yet they have no ACTUAL PROOF? You’re proud that the Main-Stream Media in the United States has pretty much LIED about the type of armaments that the Hezbollah uses? You don’t believe me about that last one, Google / Dogpile / Yahoo search on Katyusha Rockets.
I’ll save you the time. For those of you who do not know what Katyusha Rockets are, visit here:
http://www.veteranen.info/~cedarsouthlebanon/kat/kateng.htm
(copy / paste the above link)
An excerpt from that site:
“The Katyusha (Little Katie) rocket is from Soviet origin. Already halfway thirties the NII-3(currently the Federal Missile Construction Center) started with the development of combat rockets designed for the Soviet Air Force; the 82mm ROS-82 fragmentation rocket for fighters and the 132mm ROS-132 for bombers.
In this time there was a technical exchange program between the Soviets and the Nazis. After the Germans started with the development of the six-barreled Nebelwerfer rocket mortar in 1936, this became known soon by the Soviet authorities, which ordered the NII-3 to develop their own artillery rockets. The NII-3 developed two major versions of Multiple Rocket Launchers (MRLS) the 82mm BM-8 and the 132mm BM-13. Both types were developed to carry chemical and incendiary warheads, and were mounted on the ZIS 5 and ZIS 6 trucks.
The first large scale testing of the rocket launchers took place at the end of 1938, 233 rounds of various types were used. A salvo of rockets could completely straddle a target at 5.500 meters. But the Artillery was not found of the Katyusha, because it took up to 50 minutes to load and fire 24 rounds. A conventional howitzer could fire 95 to 150 rounds at the same time. The Katyusha rocket also known by the nickname Stalin Organ was finally adopted in May 1941, just before the Nazis invaded Russia. In July that same year the rocket launchers were brought into action for the first time against the German aggressor in the version as long range flamethrowers at the Orsha railway stations. The Katyusha rockets were constantly modernized and new versions were mounted on al kind of trucks, T-40 and T-60 tanks and even on tractors.”
So let me get this right... Isreal is basically using MODERN WARFARE on an “enemy” who is using slingshots, bows / arrows, and spears?
My Gods, you MUST BE PROUD of Isreal then.
coyboyusa said on August 9, 2006 16:13:
lol jesus neithe rof them is a victim or a victor....israel is no said but if you had rag heads pelting you with rockets that could be equiped with lets see sarin gas, shrapnel, anthrax, any form of volitale chemicals and they threaten to use them all the time what are you going to do just sit there? the jews aren’t saint either but lets rember it was the un’s decision to force 2 ethnically clashing peoples the jews and muslims to live together to make amends for the atrocities of ww2 and now we’re all paying for that stupid decision. BUT lets be damn honest, if both sides wanted peace they would have it by now. Clinton got them to the table got a road map for peace worked out israel withdrew from gaza razed their settlements and what for? if i were them i’d be damned pissed as hell.
LittleSpooky said on August 9, 2006 16:16:
Yeah... Coy just screwed it up with his racial / ethnic slur. Way to go
LittleSpooky said on August 10, 2006 00:09:
Coy: The words I have to describe you are very derogatory to gay people. How would you like it if I used those words and then turned around and said: “Hey, it fits sometimes”
You are a very childish, narrow-minded, self-centred, egotistical, xenophobic, BIGOT. You are not only an embarrasment to Americans, you’re an embarrasement to the gay community as well and I sincerely hope you change your attitude sometime soon. If you don’t, you will die alone with no friends and no family because no one will GIVE A SHIT about you.
Oldag75 said on August 10, 2006 00:49:
When someone attacks you, there is no such thing as a “disproportionate” response. If some crook breaks into my house in the middle of the night intending to steal a little silver fork or lift a small gold ring, I will shoot him dead. I don’t give a flying flip why he’s inside my home: I am going to kill him. It matters not that Reuters has reported that he’s on a mission of mercy or whatever, since Reuters has totally blown their reporting credibility. And anyway, nothing we say here can influence the Middle East idiocy in any manner whatever. Arabs hate Jews. Skinheads hate gays. Gays hate Bush. They’re all equally irrational.
coyboyusa said on August 10, 2006 12:05:
spooky go ahead and show eveyone you’re a homphobe it wouldn’t be anything new :)
whateveriam said on August 10, 2006 13:05:
Coyboy, go ahead and show everyone how (insert your own adjective here cos I can’t be arsed to think of one) you really are. It wouldn’t be anything new.
Yeah, I may be an bitchy, anally retentive Brit, but at least I have the decency to admit it. You are so aggravating, thats its painful to read your comments sometimes. I know you can be a nice person, but being vile about everyone and everything on here is starting to make me wish I didn’t think so.
whateveriam said on August 10, 2006 13:58:
OK-calmed down a little...
This is turning into the WAR thread again guys. Why it hasn’t gone grey earlier is a mystery to me.
LittleSpooky said on August 10, 2006 22:24:
Coy: I’m not homophobic. What I DO despise is the fact that you’re THEORETICALLY a grown man, yet you sling racial / ethnic slurs as only a true childish bully can. You’re a xenophobe through and through. Just admit it and get the hell off this board so none of the more intelligent / rational people have to put up with your sandbox slinging antics.
coyboyusa said on August 11, 2006 16:04:
scrwe you if you’re so offended leave yourself you blind cow :)
Roxrider_USA said on August 11, 2006 18:40:
@Oldag75: I agree with you concerning your comments.
I don’t see why people would think that if you get hit by pebble, you should respond by hit back with a pebble. Does that make any sense at all ? I mean, a sovereign country suffers an unprovoked attack or aggression and has its borders violated by a group that basically has created a state withing a state and has its on military wing aside from the real military that the actual recognized state (Lebanon) has. And, still there are people that think that Iraeal should go into the state of “Hezbollah” within the state of Lebanon and kidnap 2 Hezbollah soldiers because Hezbollah kidnapped 2 Iraeli soldiers.
I’m sorry, but come on, that makes no sense.
Also, remenber that Iran is supplying the state of “Hezbollah” through Syria. Also, remember that is widely believed that Sirya was respondisble for the former Lebanese prime minister Rafic Hariri. And, also, that Iranian revolutionary guard troops have been found with Hezbollah fighters among the dead in southern Lebanon.
Ad we all know that, in the Mid East most of the countries there and people would rather see Irael wipped off the map, as the super “rational” Iranian president, Ahmadinejad has stated.
So, i don’t see how Israel would just kipdnap Hezbollah soldiers just to respond to the kidnappings done by Hezbollah when Hezbollah is a tool and a proxy of Iran and Sirya, both of which clearly would prefer to see Isreal dissapear from the Mid East.
Concerning the UN, i don’t think it’s effective at all. Besides that, the UN is corrupt, full of self interests and badly represented for todays world’s realities.
Take care.
Carlos E., New York.
Santi said on August 11, 2006 19:37:
So if I get hit by a pebble I should in normal conditions slash the guy with an axe you say?
Oh, I forgot, and his family and all his known relatives, obviously :)
And all the people in his town, just in case :D
LittleSpooky said on August 11, 2006 19:43:
Santi: According to Isreal, yes, you should do just that. Rather than make the attempt to recover / retrieve / negotiate for the return of said soldiers, Isreal decided to wage an all out air / ground campaign against Lebanon / the Hezbollah.
Now, for whatever reason Lebanon / the Hezbollah decided to take the first soldier, I don’t know. That’s been skewed so far wrong in the media (multiple conflicting stories), that quite frankly, it’s hard to know what prompted the abduction. CNN, FOX, CNBC, MSNBC, etc. can’t be trusted with telling the truth. It doesn’t generate “ratings” or sympathy for the “victims”.
Things had to have been pretty desperate for Lebanon / Hezbollah to do this.
whateveriam said on August 11, 2006 20:15:
’scrwe you if you’re so offended leave yourself you blind cow :)’
@CoyBoy God, you really have to sink that low you waste of oxygen? And to think I thought YOU were intelligent enough to come up with a proper comeback. Thats the type of insults CHILDREN use. Now, throw the dummy out of the pram all you like, cos I don’t care. You deserve all the shit that you get-now sod off, get back to the discussion and leave personal attacks out of this, cos quite frankly, you picked the wrong girl to start slagging off.
The only (and I mean the ONLY) art you have developed is the art of being obnoxious. I do not have to justify myself to you.
whateveriam said on August 11, 2006 20:21:
On another note, I happen to agree with Little Spooky on this-they must be desperate. And what have Israel gained? Not much it would seem...
ncurran said on August 11, 2006 20:37:
Olddag, “because Israel is... take a deep breath... winning the war: They’re pulverizing the Big H out of those who have attacked them.”
Not true actually, Israel, despite it’s month long bombardment of innocent civilians, has barely made a dent in the Hezbollah force. They are more sophistocated than people realise. This will go on for many months yet unless pressure is put on both sides for a ceasefire....which for some stupid reason Bush and Blair are refusing to do.
With regard to the UN, yes in its current form it is pretty pointless, with the permanent members being allowed to keep their veto. Perhaps if this was taken away then they could actually make some changes in the world, and countries like Israel might be held accountable for their actions.
whateveriam said on August 11, 2006 20:39:
OK, one last thought before I sign off for a bit
I said silence cos I was thinking. If I was offended, I would have said so. You assume too much :-). Ain’t completely a bitch, despite what you may think CoyBoy
I really can’t see any answer to this conflict. We’re brewing for a major war in the Middle East, and we can’t stop it, cos of stupidity, misguidance, and the need to keep oil under $100 a barrel (after that, we dig up the Antarctic).
Roxrider_USA said on August 11, 2006 20:50:
@Santi: In the situation that Israel has always been, yes it is indeed necessary to try to arrest the ones responsible for the kidnapping or kill them. Their families should never be targeted, though. But unfortunately, it seems that many of the Hezbollah terrorist soldiers mix themselves up with civilians to try to deter any Israeli attempt to kill them.
*Terrorists because of their past history concerning the bombing of the american base in Lebanon, highjacked airplanes and the bombings in Argentina.
**Concerning Israel’s situation, i mean that Israel’s surroundings is not one of the most desirable ones, so Isreal has to show that it will do whatever it needs to defend itself, and therefore use that as a deterrent force and warming against any other states in that disturbed region of our world. For instance, destroy Iran’s nuclear facilities if they go ahead trying to build nuclear weapons, especially with that president Iran hasand its fanatical religious leaders.
I don’t think any of us would want to see Ahmadinejadi with nuclear weapons...
Take care!
Carlos E., New York.
Santi said on August 11, 2006 21:00:
Just a point: Terrorists are civilians. If they were soldiers, they wouldn’t be terrorists, they would be soldiers. That’s why the government of the country were you live can keep those poor devils in Guantánamo and do with them whatever they please. Because soldiers are protected by international treaties, but fighter civilians are in a legal vacuum. (That’s why most people fights in wars under the name of a country)
Besides, I would tell you to shut up the media you’re listening to for a while and think twice what a terrorist is and what a freedom fighter is. It is only a matter of perspective, and I know there are many countries very proud of their “freedom fighters” that for a different country were “terrorists”.
Santi said on August 11, 2006 21:07:
Moreover, about Israeli surroundings... no one forced them to be there. It was the sionists (which if you don’t happen to remember I will refresh your mind by telling that they were pretty active terrorists -attacking civilian objectives) who succeeded in placing the State of Israel in the “Holy Land”.
Now that’s a funny name for a place that has had the highest number of evil acts per square meter since the agriculture was invented...
Roxrider_USA said on August 11, 2006 21:17:
@Santi: Terrorists are those who attempted and fortunately failed to carry out the plot with the planes in England coming to the US.
Freedom fighters are those who kill others andgive their lives for noble causes by orders given from their governmente in order to save other lives and free those who are oppressed and make these people’s lives better. (Although sometimes, thier goverments use them to achieve the goverments special interests).
Were the allied forces in WWII terrorists? They died and killed others to stop the nonsense and irrationality of the Nazis who contaminated their people with radical ideals... Freedom fighters don’t have fanatic and radical ideals...
Take care!
Carlos E., New York.
LittleSpooky said on August 11, 2006 21:42:
That so called “terror plot” was one of the biggest false flag operations under the sun! C’mon people... “liquid explosives”?!?! Get a grip. You can’t carry that stuff on a plane “naturally” to begin with. There’s a lot more behind that as well, using numerology. I don’t put a lot of stock in that, but when numbers like 3 / 9 / 11 / 33 pop up a lot... it makes me notice.
And those planes were supposed to”come down in groups of 3”
Roxrider_USA said on August 11, 2006 21:51:
@Santi: I really believe that Israel was founded by the British under a League of Nations mandate after the defeat and collapse of the Ottaman Empire in WWI. Palestine as partioned by the British under the League of Nations mandate in order to establish the Jewish state to cover the vaccum that the defeat of the Ottoman Empire created.
Unfortunatelly since then, Israel and the Palestinians have suffered due to this mandete and the fanaticism and radicalism of Arabs governments who can’t stand a Jewish state in the Arab World.
Carlos E., New York.
Santi said on August 11, 2006 21:53:
Lemme guess, lemme guess... “The War Of Worlds”??? (for the groups of 3 :))
rox-kuryliw said on August 11, 2006 21:56:
why does alot of people think british cares that much for Israel ? i heard today some countrys think were supporting israel they always drag UK in stuff like this dont they LMAO
Roxrider_USA said on August 11, 2006 21:58:
Oh no, here we go to the absurd allegations that 9/11 was an inside job by the US government.
This is the same crazy idea!! How can people think that these things are made up? Especially 9/11. I can’t discuss with people who have these views. It’s just out of my comprehention. Deplorable!
Anyway, i guess people can make any points they want and have their views, even if they are way out there... At least some of us can do that. cause in some other places, people with views like these and even more subtle ones that go against the goverment are simply “erased”.
Carlos E., New York.
Santi said on August 11, 2006 22:08:
For a start:
- The Allies can’t be called terrorist because they were soldiers in different armies. Soldiers are supposed to kill, that’s what they’re for. And even if they do and even if the most violent ever to be commited by humanity is a war, you can’t call them terrorist because they are soldiers.
- I think you’re very one sided. Which surprises me, because being born Brazilian I would have guessed you have a little more insight and were able to critisize offical propaganda, but I guess you’re far too USA-citizen by now. So the only “fight for freedom” you can think of is the World War 2? Come on, you can do better, there have been hundreds of well known conflicts just since then... (hint: and not in all of them the USA were present...).
- You see everything in terms of good and evil. That’s wrong for a start. What for you is wrong for some other people (in some cases billions of people) is right. And here is where religions comes in again. It makes you interpret the world in black and white, good and evil, friend or foe. That’s the most dangerous thing of religions, because those people you call terrorists sincerely believe what they were said as kids, just like a Catholic kid sincerely believes a virgin can have a kid (and some other more evil things that I don’t want to share in here). Do you really think a guy would crash a plane he’s flying himself if he were not 100% convinced he’s doing something that must be done, that is needed and that he’s going to be rewarded in an afterlife? If you do, let me tell you you’re disappointing me quite a lot. It’s a pretty bad career move if he is not completely convinced. :D
Oh, and take care you too :P
whateveriam said on August 11, 2006 22:26:
I notice CoyBoy goes quiet when you get to the heavy stuff...
Go on, try and tell me to screw myself again, mate! Like I give a crap!
Israel wants to be a more powerful force in the Middle East- bashing the crap out of a weaker country (I mean in terms of artillery) is a way of asserting dominance. Lebanon just happened to be unlucky and fuck them off at the wrong time.
Roxrider_USA said on August 11, 2006 22:35:
@Santi: This the problem, people become fanatical because of religion. I, myself, am not very religious, therefore i would never believe that if i explode myself in a crowed market place where children and other are, i would end up with if virgins once i die because i was doing a supposedly noble cause. However, even religious people, and i know many of them, would never do such thing. They are actually preaching peace and tolerance.
However, fanaticism can’t be tolerated or understandable. Radicalism engraved into those poor children, creating an ilusion that waht they are doing is right and that they will rewarded by such horrific actions. For me, i believe all religions promote understanding and peace and not those distorted radical ideals and belifs. Those are created by people who just don’t agree with the way that other people in other parts of the world live. So, in the end they nurture their yound childredn with those senseless fanatical distortions of their, otherwise peaceful religions.
Fight to defend one’s nation, one’s life and one’s way of life is necessary and acceptable, however the idea that cruel distortions of religions as a excuse to do what they think is right because they believe in something that is what the actual religion doesn’t preach, is wrong and should not be viewed as just different opinions and disagreements concerning wether or not we should be muslin or catholic.
P.S.: I don’t think i was one-sided, however, if i ever was, i would like to apologize for the impartiality.
Take care!
Carlos E., New York.
whateveriam said on August 11, 2006 22:46:
’However, fanaticism can’t be tolerated or understandable’.
Understandable in who, the people who blow themselves up to prove their point, or the ones who brainwash/encourage them? (Who’s more foolish- the fool or the fool that follows him?)
Roxrider_USA said on August 11, 2006 22:54:
Nice point. Glad you pointed that out!! :-)
Take care!
Carlos E., New York.
Santi said on August 11, 2006 23:01:
In the ones that defend intelligent design?
I wonder if they pray god for having the designs of their missiles sculptured in rock :)
Oh no, it’s ok to use science for killing, I forgot :P
whateveriam said on August 11, 2006 23:06:
Good God, history isn’t linear at all, its circular! Damn well repeating itself again!
Roxrider_USA said on August 11, 2006 23:09:
Hopefully there are those who don’t make the same mistakes once made before.
Yes, history repeats itself to re-enact either good or bad experiences...
Take care!
Carlos E., New York.
whateveriam said on August 11, 2006 23:18:
Hence Germany kept the stadium they built for the Nuremberg rallies-if you forget your own history, you are doomed to repeat it. That is what America forgets, it tries to distance from the nastier ends of its history (the UK does as well, don’t get me wrong - whole business with Ireland, its colonial history they don’t like to mention ever). The UN is always bizarrely optimistic -like its presiding over a nursery rather than the whole world. Hmm, maybe we all just need formula milk and naptime...
Roxrider_USA said on August 11, 2006 23:22:
Cookies and milk would be great!
But the cookies should include historic messages. Something like the fortune cookies! :-)
Carlos E., New York.
coyboyusa said on August 12, 2006 05:15:
ahem america never forgets its history thats the difference between us and the rest of the world it seems every centry or so the other half of the globe sits by while a big genocide occurrs and they just sit back and go well hey thats not our problems . Europe in particular has had this horrendous needs to just sit back and watch , and now the rest of the world has that same complacencty waiting for another world power or police to act you people are fine and content when its maericans dying to protect the world
Santi said on August 12, 2006 08:17:
Yes well, either that or Americans give strength and weapons to the genocide.
Let’s just remember Sadam Hussein from Iraq (he wasn’t any better in the eighties...), Francisco Franco from Spain or Augusto Pinochet from Chile...
The USA acts in the benefits of their corporations, not in the benefit on the world.
Coming back to the topic I’d like to say that if The UN is not what it was supposed to be is in part because of this. As the most powerful military power the USA is willing to keep their share in world’s dominance (because as we all know those corporations “defended” are the ones that pay the political campaigns... of both sides, so there’s no remedy in this) and so they ridiculize the United Nations. What Mr Blix had to pass is just one example of it. So they may well be the “police of the world”, but they don’t give any alternative to the rest of us in any case.
Finally I’d like to remind that so far all political and military powers have fallen... so I wouldn’t say it’s very wise what the USA is doing since the end of World War II. They could well ground the UN for a longer period of peace. But well, I guess that seen from the corporate perspective, this wars is what we want... who would some of those corps sell arms to if there were no wars?... :P
ncurran said on August 12, 2006 09:40:
“however the idea that cruel distortions of religions as a excuse to do what they think is right because they believe in something that is what the actual religion doesn’t preach, is wrong and should not be viewed as just different opinions and disagreements concerning wether or not we should be muslin or catholic.”
Isnt that exactly what Israel (and the US) are guilty of. More than just terrorist groups use religion to distort reality
Jud (moderator) said on August 12, 2006 10:08:
so you see what happens when you let such topics open long enough? I think two of you have gone way off, I still don’t understand why you react to Coy’s words, you keep telling he is just here to provoke (sp?), and still you keep on answering to what he writes. I’m sure he’s sitting there laughing at you, cos this is exactly what he wanted and he got it and how ;)
rox-kuryliw said on August 12, 2006 11:58:
coy has alot of problem i worked that out LONNNNGGGG ago lol.
Roxrider_USA said on August 12, 2006 17:26:
@Judith: Unfortunately, there a few people in here that just can’t have a to the point and civilized discussion. I see no reason to resort to insulting.
Disagreements are acceptable, natural e even healthy. However, once disagreements turn into insults and disrespectfulness, then it’s no longer acceptable and even credible.
For instance, Santi, Judith and Oldag75 are consistently, in my opinion, respectfull and do not result to insulting, either to incite nasty discussions or as a response to someone else’s unfortunate disrespectfulness. Keep it up guys. It’s always nice to discuss with you.
Let’s keep it healthy! Disagree and respect!
Take care!
Carlos E., New York.
whateveriam said on August 12, 2006 22:41:
You sir, are a gentleman. Fair play to you. I’d like to think we are all capable of having a rational discussion, without having to resort to insulting each other (still not happy with the ’blind cow’ comment, but I’ve had worse)
The UN can work, if all the countries of the world gave a crap about it. Certain countries try to use the UN to their advantage, and when they can’t they ignore its authority. That can’t be right can it? I hate the whole veto thing, I hate the fact that something was created with such vision and hope has been reduced to being something virtually pointless. Yes the UN does a lot of good for the world, but it could do so much more if everyone believed it could.
BTW @ Roxrider USA ’But the cookies should include historic messages. Something like the fortune cookies! :-)’- I love it! And the blankets for naptime should have them too, or philosophical questions they can ponder on when they go to sleep...
TinyBubbles said on August 13, 2006 11:47:
IF i take away only one comment from this discussion it will be “Yes the UN does a lot of good for the world, but it could do so much more if everyone believed it could. “
Thanks for that.
And thanks to the mods for not archiving this thread. Becuz it is a testimony of why we have so much conflict in this world and why we even need something like the UN. Here in this thread some members of this forum have shown that they can’t even respect and take in someone else’s comments. Just start flaming eachother almost from the word go. LOL. And then we expect middle easterns to be more mature eventho they have had years of hatred. But here on a friendly discussion forum ppl cant even respect eachother. And dont get me wrong. I am no angel. I’m just saying it as it is and how i’ve seen it shape up in this thread.
As for the UN.. i will try and believe in them more. Mmmm lately i’ve been having dream after dream about me joining their peace keeping forces lols lols lols i’m beginning to wonder if that might be my destiny :P Yeh that is all we need.. a blonde trying to save the world.
whateveriam said on August 13, 2006 12:34:
Why not a blonde saving the world?
OK-I apologise for being a right bitch. I have never been the easiest of people to get on with, and I know flaming isn’t gonna solve that, or help me in any way whatsoever. Even if I find their comments insulting. @Coyboy-yes you hacked me off big time, but calling you a waste of oxygen is just being petty. I am sorry, but I don’t suppose you’ll even believe me.
@TB, d’you want me to take off the comment? I do believe it can, but then I’m probably in the minority on this one...
And can I ask, was this an exercise to show how vile we all are to each other sometimes?
TinyBubbles said on August 13, 2006 13:40:
Hahaha no noooo you misunderstood me lols. I said “if i take only one comment away” as in if i only remember one comment from this thread or if only one comment on this thread touched me and will stay with me, then that comment is the one. I’m probably not explaining it well :P
Anyways, i merely meant that if anything said in this thread was worth “taking away with me” then that .. bla bla whatever. Hopefully you understand what i mean :D
TinyBubbles said on August 13, 2006 13:48:
Lols i really shouldn’t do this, but i just cant resist, cuz it once again shows my point. I give you a compliment Whateveriam and i say a sincere thanks, but you instead assume that i’m being sarcastic? AM i understanding it right? Why do you immediately assume i’m against you and insulting you? I’m sure i even mentioned that i am no angel and that i’m only saying things the way i’ve seen them unfold here.
“And can I ask, was this an exercise to show how vile we all are to each other sometimes? ” If that comment was meant for me.. then yes, i suppose you can look at it that way. And i should be included in all that cuz i’m no better. Did you get my point though? Look how quickly we think the worst of eachother and start flaming and disrespecting each others opinions.. so now we can well understand how jews and muslims in the middle east find it so hard to live with one another.
whateveriam said on August 13, 2006 15:47:
No, no, no! *banging head on desk* You see @TB, this is why we should have emoticons on here - I wasn’t not being sarcastic at all. I thought you wanted it taken away as in removed, rather than THAT taken away.
Also, the vile comment wasn’t aimed at anyone particular, and I do include myself in it. Never mind other people flaming me-I seem to do it perfectly well to myself. And I do get your point hun. Thanks for trying to compliment - sorry I got the wrong end of the stick (Christ- how fucking stupid can I get?)
Rachel.
rox-kuryliw said on August 13, 2006 16:27:
i think its good that some people do have passion on subjects, its just a problem when it spills over when people become shut off from others opinions ? isnt that what extremism is about ? taking something to far ?
Roxrider_USA said on August 13, 2006 19:32:
@whateveriam: Thanks very much for your comments. :-)
See, we do know how to discuss politely while being articulate and effective.
I really believe that we should not respond to any comments concerning discussions of any sort when there is insulting going on. This way, the person who is insulting will just be ignored and will have no reason to keep insulting. This should be standart policy to avoid intelligent and nice topics from being archived and, furthermore, to not allow any insulting incedents to drag for too long.
Take care!
Carlos E., New York.
whateveriam said on August 13, 2006 21:10:
I just hope TB reads the apology now- suffering from major foot-in-gob-syndrome now...
TinyBubbles said on August 20, 2006 07:59:
Lols Rachel :D Take it easy. No worries. Come join me in the garden for a few.. having pina coladas..
whateveriam said on August 20, 2006 08:02:
Sounds good hunny, but I have to go to work, and I’m not allowed to drink on the job. Crap!
whateveriam said on August 20, 2006 08:06:
Even though I DID get offered a swig of Bacardi from a guy when I was cleaning the car park out once...
coyboyusa said on August 20, 2006 13:23:
lets face it the rest of the world can’t make up their minds, you always seem fine with one super power or another acting as the humaitarian/ welfare agent/ world cop of the world so long as they don’t ask anything from you. But once that superpower takes any form of initiative to change something for the better they are suddenly this overwhelming invader? Which is it? Or better yet what way works better, a world left to abandon, or a world with some semblance of a moral fiber. And no, I am not talking about a religiously based moral fiber, one of common sense right and wrong. Yeah fine noone said the united states doesn’t have crap on its hands but so do many of our so called allies. Russia selles nuclear technology to iran and missles to hezbolla, france and russia both profited from the food for oil scandal as did a number of other ” demnocratic” nations. You could troll back through history and find blood on everyones hands.
It’s a bit irritating whne you stand up for the basic standards your country embodies, justice freedom liberty, and are immediatly chided as allying yourself with a half assed president, whats worse is when the rest of the world seems to think that one man, mrs bush, somehow speaks for thew entire country, no offense but if YOU read you’re own media you’d know we don’t necessarily like him that much either, but eh whats the point americans are always wrong cause we don’t tuck our heads between our legs and wait for someone to plow us under
whateveriam said on August 20, 2006 22:28:
’... I’ve always thought that the last day will be brought about by some colossal boiler heated to three thousand atmospheres blowing up the world’
’And I bet the Yankees will have a hand in it,’ said Joe.
Jules Verne in ’Five Weeks In A Balloon’
rox-kuryliw said on August 20, 2006 22:44:
end of day we (each country) vote in head on country, then we loose control to these wh we are expected to trust. Leaders rule with fear and thats why they get voted 9 out 10 times in again.
nice little rant again coy hehe, i do agree ever country has some blood on its hands but thats why we get no were at end of day.
I dont know the answer and wont try it. But i think they is a few who know and have learnt from things and will continue to do so, countrys need to be closer and put the past behind them more, if the civilans can, so should the goverments.
kachina008 said on July 23, 2006 08:42:
It is true though. THe real UN is the US.