rox-kuryliw said on July 14, 2005 14:20:

well not over keen on you either mate lol

Oldag75 said on July 14, 2005 23:33:

Coyboy, I am much sicker of it than you are.

Are not.
Am too.
ARE NOT.
AM TOO !

Oldag75 said on July 15, 2005 17:07:

The honorable component of humanity is in GREAT shape, so there’s no reason to loathe them. It’s the dishonorable sector that’s causing all of the problems – the thieves and looters and parasites, and the religious ideologues who INITIATE violence.

One of the things that dishonorable people do is attempt to obtain some commodity – be it money, or perhaps mere pity – based on some misfortune they’ve undergone. That is called emotional blackmail (it pops up in the Dear Abby advice column about once every three months). These folks think that carrying a wound of some fashion ENTITLES them to obtain something from others who had nothing to do with causing the wounds.

I began to understand this concept long ago, when I dated a fatal-attraction psycho-emotional-wreck who claimed that her parents had beaten her as a child, and for that reason I should love her and allow her to move in with me (and, incidentally, help pay her delinquent income taxes). In some manner, that sort of thing will happen to everyone eventually..... so if it hasn’t already, BRACE YOURSELF.

Humanity’s honorable component is still working hard to improve things, invent things, follow reason and upgrade the human condition... they’re doing just fine.

ncurran said on July 15, 2005 18:38:

this thread is really pointless. Coyboy, if you were refering to another thread on the board, you should have posted about it there

rox-kuryliw said on July 16, 2005 09:23:

is that what there saying in US ? :-/ no wonder i dont like the country that much.

LittleSpooky said on July 16, 2005 18:47:

Rox: So far as I know, none of my friends are saying anything of the sort. However, it is being compared to the attacks of 9-11 as well as the attacks in Spain.

MiracleMan said on July 16, 2005 23:01:

I”ve never heard anyone comparing 7/7 or 9/11—aside from pointing out the Al Queda connections. Comparing it with the Spain bombing, yes, but not the 9/11.

LittleSpooky said on July 17, 2005 13:50:

It’s being compared to 9-11 because of the fact that Britian has pretty much backed the US in this farce of a war and so on down the line. In the news (and I wish I could remember what channel was running it) some made the passing remark that it brought 9-11 back to the forefront of some peoples minds as it was a “sensless attack on innocent people”... I think I’m quoting that right.

Does it remind *me* of 9-11? In many ways, but that’s a discussion I won’t get into on this board because it’s an inappropriate forum no matter that this is Off Topic or not.

ncurran said on July 18, 2005 21:49:

Coyboy, what a lot of rubbish. I take it by England, you mean the UK as a whole, and if so i can tell you that there are 1.6million muslims. Not a small number, but hardly a huge proportion of a 60 million population. Most are of Pakistani descent, and they are not impoverished at all. Sure there are poor areas inhabited by some muslims, but actually on average they are better off and contribute more in taxes than white families

ncurran said on July 19, 2005 15:43:

That is not true coyboy, so pls quote your sources at least

Edit: I think i found the figures you were talking about. Its is 37%, but that is only for one area of London. Of course there are areas where a high proportion of muslims are unemployed and live in poverty, but the same could be said for white non-muslims. There are some areas where hardly any muslims live that have a 50% unemployment rate. After having looked into it, probably if you average it out over the country, muslims are poorer than non-muslims, but not by a huge margin.

In Scotland, there are only 60000 muslims, but it is very rare to find a muslim living in a poor area, or in a dead end job. Most of them own their own businesses or work as doctors/hospital specialists, etc and are very well off. It is important not to generalise too much.

ncurran said on July 19, 2005 17:21:

again, rubbish. Certainly it could be said that some immigrants dont have a good standard of english, but that could be said for ALL immigrants, including Europeans and people with white skin. It has nothing to do with colour or religion.
It is important to distinguish the difference between economic migrants, asylum seekers, and british muslims, as all these groups have different qualities and needs. It is important to remember that most muslims in the UK are 2nd or 3rd generation who were born and brought up here and english is their 1st language in most cases. It is important not to generalise. Other muslims might be asylum seekers from the middle east or africa. Of course their situation is going to be different.