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let's discuss George W Bush
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bunny said on June 8, 2005 17:42:
i think he’s the worst US president ever
Santi said on June 8, 2005 17:58:
I don’t want to discuss Bush, I don’t think he deserves a second of my time and in my opinion I’m wasting too much time already writing these two lines.
tevensso (moderator) said on June 8, 2005 18:13:
As long as you keep it flameless, we’ll let this go on.
ally77 said on June 8, 2005 19:29:
What’s to discuss, the man’s an arsehole... and - Nah I don’t think I need to go on....
LittleSpooky said on June 8, 2005 23:49:
I have got to know, just to satisfy my own curiosity:
Why on earth did you want to have this “discussion”? I don’t know too many people who like this assclown.
Oldag75 said on June 9, 2005 17:13:
“Arsehole” “Assclown”
Yes, this really has the components of an intelligent discussion. The name-calling is reminiscent of things that teenagers squeal about adults, when the adults won’t simply let the adolescents have their way. The US had teenagers in the White House for eight years, and it was a great big free-wheeling party – and now all the teens are angry at the adult who has taken charge of cleaning up the mess.
It is definitely true that Europe’s multitudes of pro-Saddam terrorist sympathizers don’t like Bush. All those big-money deals with Saddam are defunct, now that he’s running around a jail cell in his underwear. Good luck with your ever-growing Muslim population there... after awhile, the world will get to see just exactly how tolerant, diverse and inclusive you all are.
sommartiderhejhej said on June 9, 2005 20:34:
Have you ever seen the movies Fahrenheit 9/11 and also Bowling for Columbine?
If so, then you would understand that George W. Bush is not much better then the terrorists he is chasing himself.
Why were the USA so sure that Iraq has mass destruction weapons?
Exactly, because Iraq has bought a big part of its weapons from.........the USA.
Talking about a reliable country, it is clear that it is NOT the USA at least.
Just read in the newspaper today that Bush didn’t sign the Kyoto-protocol because of pressure of Exxon Mobile.
Again another example how unreliable Bush is.
I guess Exxon promised him some money for his campaign.
Do I need to continue?
These are just a few examples of how unreliable Mr. Bush is.
So don’t come here saying he is cleaning up the mess. If he would be doing that, he has to make sure he dissappears himself also behind bars, that wouls also clean up some mess.
on_a_mission said on June 9, 2005 21:50:
hmmm, Oldag:
You call this discussion adolescent (with which I am inclined to agree in part.)
However, your contribution merely includes sweeping generalisations about European politics and muslims in general.
Is this really any better?
MiracleMan said on June 10, 2005 01:59:
“The US had teenagers in the White House for eight years, and it was a great big free-wheeling party – and now all the teens are angry at the adult who has taken charge of cleaning up the mess.”
Adults? That inarticulate smirker—this secretive, autocratic lying administration is the best thing for this country?
The Far Righteous and their imposition of their moral aganda on the nation is cleaning up the mess?
The lies this admnistration has foisted on the nation, not to mention the rest of the world, have done more to damage the US than Clinton ever thought about perpetrating on US.
How many people died because Clinton lied about a blowjob?
His lies have cost over a thousand servicemen—and how many Iraquis—their lives. He’s destroyed our reputation outside the US, and divided the country internally.
This is a duplicitious administration that produces “news” segments—on the sly, mind you—that skew in favor of THEIR propaganda and give them to local stations to air as legitimate news items, all the while complaining the popular press is slanted. They will only hold a “townhall meeting” or rally by filling it with glad-handing worshippers, actually barring any dissenting or even questioning voice from the audience. It forces though damaging right-wing biased nominations for the high courts, all the while screaming about the dangers of judicial bias.
Go haunt the FOXNews website, Oldag, if that is the kind of divisive rhetoric you want to contribute.
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And shame on you, Bunny, for starting such an idiotic thread that only stirs shit and pisses everyone off. If you wanted a legitimate discussion, you would have contributed more than just a flip comment on a subject that is as potentially as explosive as this.
LittleSpooky said on June 10, 2005 05:35:
MM: Darlin, don’t thump Bunny too hard for this. I have to admit, I’m kind of curious to know what most everyone else thinks... provided they can be somewhat civilized and realize that while the brainwashed majority voted for him, it’s the minority that is trying to make the change.
He used the public’s fear of another 9-11 as a catalyst to launch himself back into office. He claims that God Himself speaks through him to the American people. He has used things like same sex marriages to tout that the “moral fabric” of this country is degrading and that he would do whatever he could to prevent that.
Well for one, he doesn’t speak for the Goddess and the God that I worship. Because if he did, we wouldn’t be sending someone else’s children off to die every day in a war that has lost its scope. He doesn’t speak for me. If men like coyboy want to marry their life partners, GO AHEAD. If a gay couple wants to adopt a child or have one through other means, PLEASE FEEL FREE.
I bet anything that, he’d be a better father than mine ever will be. That’s right... my father is a heterosexual and he SUCKS at being a parent! He screwed up his own kids and he’s blowing the chance to know his 2 grand daughters because of his actions.
I’m willing to bet doughnuts to bagels that coyboy would be a loving and wonderful father... despite the fact that he needs to be beaten with a dictionary on a regular basis ;o)
carbon_boy said on June 10, 2005 10:40:
I was waiting for Oldag to jump in... remember my comment to you Mr O, when Bush won his 2nd term as president? You have more skill to run the USA than that man does.
The fact of the matter is people, that we can moan and groan and bitch and fight about Bush, but it won’t resolve anything. It’s like the discussions we’ve had in the past about religion or sexual preference. Everyone has their views and no matter what is said could change it - it only aggravates.
BUT, just before I go, something worth mentioning. Every president of the USA who has caused a bit of a row and who has contracted some bad “publicity” shall we say, has always left office in some scandal. History has a way of repeating itself... and this is screaming Nixon!
Cheers
coyboyusa said on June 10, 2005 22:37:
as long as this doesnt turn into an american bashing thread i am all for it, i wont sit here and defend everything he does but what happened to a world that looks beyond one man? Or better yet what happened to a world that claims they don’t need amrica yet heres ton blair asking the us for what was it 23 billion in african aid.....why doesnt the world bank take all the forgiven african debt and re invest it? I really hate how hypocritical the world is
and dear spooky i think children are fit to smack around with a cattle prod so i wont be having any soon i love my 5 cats much more
coyboyusa said on June 10, 2005 22:38:
teenagers in the white house? bill clinton was the most intelligent president the usa has had in a long time in terms of domestic policy, he shot down our national debt to an all time low something bush ran over in a matter of half a year
LittleSpooky said on June 11, 2005 05:37:
Coy: Here I am giving you a compliment (first one in HOW long?) and you have to go and ruin it!!! *lol*
I have a cat as well, Satan, and I don’t see myself with children in the near future either *lol*
on_a_mission said on June 15, 2005 23:47:
@Oldag, I see you let this one go. Just wondered if you had a further opinion.
But let me make it clear to all, I’m not after a petty fight. I’d like an intelligent exchange of opinions.
LittleSpooky said on June 16, 2005 05:42:
OAM: Why don’t you ask for world peace and the end to hunger while you’re at it ;o)
Jud (moderator) said on June 16, 2005 06:24:
oam: “You call this discussion adolescent (with which I am inclined to agree in part.)
However, your contribution merely includes sweeping generalisations about European politics and muslims in general.
Is this really any better?”
>> Agree
Besides, not liking Bush doesn’t mean we are all pro-Saddam and terrorist sympathizers. There’s a LONG way to get there.
per_mson said on June 16, 2005 07:44:
@Coyboy: “what happened to a world that claims they don’t need amrica yet heres ton blair asking the us for what was it 23 billion in african aid” This is, in my opinion, a really typical comment from some Americans living in the US. It seems as if you think you are some kind of world heroes who are giving away so much money to save the world from evil. You should bear in mind that the US population is approx. 289 million people while Europe is close to 460 million. So I think we are able to give away more all in all to be honest. But have you thought of the reason why Blair asked for this money?! Maybe he had to otherwise the Bush government wouldn’t have even considdered giving anything!? ;)
on_a_mission said on June 16, 2005 13:40:
@Little Spooky
*adopts beauty pageant voice* ’Uh, ehh....And I’d like no more hunger and WORLD PEACE!’
;-) There you go!!
coyboyusa said on June 16, 2005 13:59:
u juist proved my point europe alone has the ability to contribute so much but you guys don’t you send your diplomats here for money and its getting old, i don’t veiw america as a ” hero” but lets be honest, whenever theres dire need in the wrold who’s the first group you expect to fork out aid...the usa! the tsunami was a prime example, it became this assanine bidding war against american aid, people died and were displaced and all the the rest of the world was worried about was one upping the americans, we may be a young arrogant nation but we have bigger hearts , and thats our bbiggest fault, while we’re out being the welfare provider for the world our country’s slowly degrading to crap
StillFar said on June 16, 2005 14:10:
slowly degrading...you’re on the highway to bankruptcy.
And coy check out some statistics of what countries give in aid based on their GDP (and don’t check the one from Fox, because bombing countries most people do not consider foreign aid)
ncurran said on June 16, 2005 15:57:
Exactly Stillfar, whatever you think coyboy,european countries are much more generous when it comes to giving aid. The only thing Tony Blair is asking is that the US gives 0.7% of GDP in foreign aid...which Bush will not commit to, even though most european countries already give more than that
per_mson said on June 16, 2005 16:43:
@coy: Just to see how big heart you have: How much did you give to the Tzunami victims from your own pocket? I gave approx. $30 (since I’m unemployed that’s what I could afford). My father gave approx. $70. Then our government gave away a lot of money. So don’t come and say that we don’t have any hearts in Europe!
And I also think that you should do some research among statistics before you think that USA is that great! :)
sommartiderhejhej said on June 16, 2005 17:52:
If we look at the amounts of money the countries have given to the tsunami-victims, and relate this amount back to the population of the country (per person), the USA was not giving that much at all.
And talking about disasters, Bush is a walking disaster-area.
coyboyusa said on June 17, 2005 13:17:
i gave nothing to the tsunami aid becuase for one the 3 main cahrirties that were working with tsunami aid were and still are corrupt, i dont’ support charities that have any affiliation with the naacp. secondly, let be honest most countries including europe and the usa don’t follow where the aid goes after they send it out. 9 times out of 10 it goes into the hands of violent regiems, thats why africa is still a messs. the red cross donated blood to conganeese militiamen the government claimed were government solfdiers, this is the militia that puts machinguns in the hands of 10 yr old. until the corruptoion ends in third world countries all the foreign aid in the world won’t help.
and acutally every american technically gave to tsunami aid because all the govementrs money stems from our taxes so don’t go and slight the maerican peopel for being tightwads we aren’t, and those charts don’t reflect all the provate donations americans give including alot of our celebrities etc, the simple fact is no matter what america does you peopel aren’t satisfied, and no offense but this country doesn’t get off on kissing everyones asas to make em happy :)
coyboyusa said on June 20, 2005 13:40:
aside from the fact that the organization is a farce run by opportunisitc black epopel who have noting to contibute to the advancement of the right of black people and the fact that they tend to stand up for the utter dregs of societ like r kelly al sharpton and the like?
per_mson said on June 20, 2005 13:53:
@coy: Well, I agree that a lot of charity is corrupt! That’s why I never give any money to organizations that I don’t know about. But I don’t think the red cross are corrupted. At least not in Sweden and not for help going to countries like Thailand.
I can also tell you that we also gave money via our tax, so that’s not really a defense. I was just curious how generous as a person you are since you said Europe are so cheap and want USA to pay everything all the time.
And yes, I do know that USA are not the country that are “kissing any asses” to make anyone happy... you tend more to “smoke them out of their holes” if they don’t do exactly the way that pleases you. ;)
LittleSpooky said on June 20, 2005 21:52:
While I agree that there are some corrupt charities out there (United Way got nailed a few years back), I try to find charities where I know specifically what the money’s for:
American Cancer Society, American Heart Association, American Lung Association and the like. NAACP has done some good in the past, and does continue to do so. But the problem seems to be (just like anywhere else) is that you get the “militant blacks” that think ALL white people owe them a living.
It’s the same with every racial group, it doesn’t matter who. You get the militants, the ones who think that the world owes them, and you’re going to have problems.
It’s like Jeff Foxworthy once said:
“We can’t keep the most ingnorant amongst us off the television. When we have a disaster, they don’t interview a doctor or a lawyer, they get the woman with the mu-mu and the sponge rollers.
’It was pandalerium. I thought we’d be killed or even worse. looked out my window in time to see the Jinkens House go right over our roof, and all I can think is Carolyn still has my casserole dish!’”
Do I support the NAACP? No. Why not? My grandmother passed away from cancer, my step-father has respirtory problems, my grandmother had a pacemaker put in before she died and my grandfather had a 5 by-pass surgery. If it wasn’t for folks like the ACS, AHA, ALA, advances like that wouldn’t have been possible.
NAACP hasn’t done anything for me, I’m white.
coyboyusa said on June 20, 2005 23:50:
amen spooky
your right i do gfive to solely based smaller american charities as well includiang pediatric aids and breat cancer research, i just don’t feel the necessity to give to international charities when they don’t endorse the use of birth control in impoverished places so there peopel ar ehaveing 12 kinds but can only feed 3, thats inhumane and its not my responsibility to make sure thye r fed, in nature when animal populations overbreed the young simply starve to death and die, why should humanity be any different
Vixzter said on June 8, 2005 17:44:
lets start a flame war shoudlve been the title of this topic possibly?