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The Law!
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ally77 said on May 10, 2005 22:43:
New Discussion.... Does anyone else sometimes think the law in there country is an a$$ to put it blunt...
The law in this country is so far up it’s own ass it’s unreal....
LittleSpooky said on May 10, 2005 23:01:
Little more input before I can say anything on that would help :o)
ally77 said on May 11, 2005 07:09:
It seems if you are being harrassed by others and experiencing anti-social behaviour which for me has been going on for 4 years with some kids where I live the law is on there side.....
Over the past 18 months it has got a lot worse and I keep records of everything, all my housing association do is visit the parents tell them off about the kids and it kicks off again weeks later, I feel I am just going round and round in circles...
The past 12 weeks have been like living in hell, the past 48 hours I have felt dead.... I finally got the police to my house last night who where great at first, they went over to see the parent of the kids where there 25 minutes came back to me and said she said the same, she feels harrassed by me... I never speak to her, I don’t see her! HOW THE HELL CAN SHE FEEL HARRASSED!!!!! her kids are a nightmare, to top it off two other familys who have moved in one less than 6 months side with her because they two have kids....
The police’s advice last night, stay away from them etc... how the hell can I stay away from people I don’t even go near in the first place... they are the ones hanging outside my house, making as much noise as possible even with footballs or bikes and just general screaming and shouting. We even get now the kids in question barking at MY dog through the door to annoy it, which it turn annoys me....
I have tried everything, I have tried desperatly to move house but I can’t and I simply cannot afford a private landlord at the moment.
At the end of the day they are kids.... the main two being 9 & 11 years old but they know what they doing, and they know why they are doing it.
The harrassment act 1997 is a waste of paper... and frankly right now I feel there is nowhere to turn to for help and I have had enough of it all.
ally77 said on May 11, 2005 14:09:
So do I, lazy pieces of shit... I feel okay when I am at work, but being in my own house it’s just a nightmare for me....
I have my holiday next week, and I think I am gonna seriously have to think of moving, as my manager said to me today, it’s even move regardless of the cost or go mad! or commit and crime and do the time... and I have come so close to it that even I do not know how I stopped myself...
coyboyusa said on May 11, 2005 15:01:
in america you have to file a complaint and take them to court, usually all the judge does is issue warnings to both parties to get along. if you live in an apartment development you can’t do much here unless the owner files charges, especially if the kids dammage property. This is exactly why i saved up and bought a house i hate people in terms of being neighbours
Kathrin said on May 11, 2005 17:57:
In Germany it’s da same way but we don’t have any Death Sentencesses!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
LittleSpooky said on May 11, 2005 18:58:
Ally: Legally, go find somewhere else to live, if you can. If not... go find yourself a paintball gun and start taggin the little bastards. It’s not the “correct” thing to do, but it will prove to people that you have not approached the kids, and they’re terrorizing you.
ally77 said on May 11, 2005 19:56:
@ Little, I like that idea! lol...
Heres an example I complain and make all the notes and keep all the records and am waiting for a visit from the housing people..... do they come NOPE! they do however spend 2 hours over the road and the person’s house I have a problem with.... I thought they’ll come here, but they didn’t!
However as my mother pointed out this evening... at 7.30pm all the kids went in, was like something in a film... all the (well 3) mothers called them in! Now don’t get me wrong it’s nice to have some peace tonight.... but it’s for me a case of how long will it last for? a week, a month, 2 days... case of been there done that and worn the shirt... we’re going round in circles...
Am gonna go with the option of moving which will really be hard on my pocket but I could look at taking legal action against the housing people as with the amount of complaints and diary sheets I have completed the trouble family should have been evicted ages ago.... and if leaving my house is the only way of getting some peace then so be it...
In situations like this you can only I guess take it one day at a time...
ragdoll said on May 12, 2005 09:05:
Ally, it sounds like you are doing the right thing in keeping a diary of events. Do you have access to free legal aid or a citizens advice bureau? Perhaps they could help you out.
Parents have forgotten how to parent. Also, they are not allowed to disipline the kids anymore. What a pity for the kids. I totally disagree with beating kids but Mom & Dad need to let the kids know who is boss.
I have been visiting some people here in Ireland for a couple of weeks now and I am appalled at how late some really young kids are still outside playing. Where are their parents!!! Don’t they worry???
ally77 said on May 12, 2005 13:11:
Tried the citizens advice bureau, helpful but not that good to me as it all comes down to the police and even though I can diary it all it’s there word over mine, and I have three parents now all grouping togeather and my elderly neighbours are to scared to say anything...
I saw and took photos of one of the parents allowing her 15 month old baby to sit on the lap of an adult on a quad bike a couple of weeks ago driving around at around 30 mph on the close, (a) they are illegal and (b) she calls herself a responsible parent!!!!!
Santi said on May 12, 2005 15:17:
I know all what you’re talking about... I used to have this kind of neighbours living in Spain (the bad thing is that my family still has them).
Good luck!
I fought the law and... the law won... I fought the law and... the law won! :(
ally77 said on May 12, 2005 17:27:
I hear what your saying, one of my big problems is I can leave but my parents would still be stuck here over the road and there is no way my mum is well enough for a house move...
ally77 said on June 3, 2005 01:28:
It just gets worse and worse... twice not in less than a week, Sunday I somehow ignored it.... god knows how but I did...
Sadly this evening some little 13 year old shit decided she have some fun, because in her boring sad life she has f*** all better to do....
So we’ll wind up me, my 74 year neighbour, and the bit that really got to was having a pop at my parents....
The police came... things moved on I am dealing with the police on a regular basis... finally they are taking my complaints serious - writing to my MP helped but I just wish things could happen sooner...
Oh and the girl, turned on the waterworks when the police arrived... I was hoping to have a civil word with the mother when she arrived home but sadly little daughter got there first and make some cock and bull story and the mother acted like some wild animal when she got out the car... and this mother is training to be a teacher... god help the education in this country.... and pray god any children I have are not taught by her....
ally77 said on June 3, 2005 01:30:
I hasten to add I felt so bad tonight that a good friend drove 30 miles to be with me and supply absolut! :) which has now all gone.... pass the sick bucket...
ally77 said on June 3, 2005 03:21:
That’s done, am still up not slept a wink...... bang goes work in 4 hours!
ally77 said on June 3, 2005 07:00:
My god I must be nuts... I came to work, not a wink of sleep.... lost count after 4 vodka’s.... and I gotta work 8 hours!
ally77 said on June 4, 2005 19:08:
No the parents of the 13 year old did not what to know, so if they can justify there daughters behaviour then fine... in all honest I did not think either of them are like this...
Oh and my father woke up with a slahed tyre this morning on the car... that’s the kind of area I live in :( we could all play games if we wanted, sadly I am not like that... but I could learn to be if they really want me too!
LittleSpooky said on June 4, 2005 19:19:
Time to take the weekend, go out and buy a slingshot or something like that, and tattoo someone’s ass to the fence, everytime they come near your property in the middle of the night....
chrisjankunas said on June 4, 2005 21:34:
lol ally i kinda know what you mean/ The “street-rats” as we call them were runing round hiting each other with rolled up newspapers yesterday! Screamin an makin a fuss! Irritatin lil f*c*kers, their parents are a joke - dumpin em out there cause they run one of the local pubs. mind u this is only 2 / 20 - the rest just roam the streets cause ... their parents dont want them around i guess.
ally77 said on June 5, 2005 09:49:
Best part the parents of one of the kids, the stone throwing 13 year old.... did not want to know....
How she can justify her daughters behaviour the other time is beyond me.... and the ironic part, she’s in training to be a primary school teacher, final year! FFS! god help the kids she teachers...
ally77 said on June 25, 2005 09:46:
So we had the slashed tyre.... this morning my parents wake up to find someone has ripped a loverly tree out of the front garden which my mum planted about 8 weeks ago and thrown it into the middle of the road...
Again I suspect who’s done it, the police have given a crime reference number bla bla bla bla....
Little pieces of shit they are that live around here...
Vixzter said on June 27, 2005 17:33:
bring back the cane at skool and bring back national service then we’ll see how many little s***s are running around above the law
>;-)
ally77 said on June 27, 2005 18:07:
Well said... ;) although we never got that at school and I didn’t behave like this... no I think you’ll find a lot of these little shits parents are the kind that had kids thereselves when they where kids...
What goes around comes around...
ally77 said on July 18, 2005 20:44:
I am still living in hell, we had more problems last night, again all started by that simple stupid jumped up shit of a 13 year old girl.
Result ended in 999 Police being called and the Parmedics as well.... it was so serious with the threating behaviour last night that someone could have got killed and once again we where in innocent party, this all took place on my mothers doorstep with most of the screaming and shouting by a woman with two kids who has just graduated as a teacher... she can’t control the behaviour of her kids let alone others in a classroom. She has to be restrained last night by her daughter....
I’ve had enough of this shit, I am not a person who wants to fight with people, and I don’t want to start losing my temper with these people, frankly these are the kind of people you stay away from, and I am at the point of being scared of leaving my home and am worried for my safety and that of my parents.
The police’s reaction last night when they found out another officer was dealing with this was a more like a case of we cannot interfere on his patch, and we’ll pass the information over to him.
Most of the neighbours would not say that they have seen anything, but thakfully one nice guy from over the road came over today to check on my mum, he lived in anti-social hell before he moved on here around 12 months ago so he knows what it is like. He has also said he would speak to the police and the housing place.
I went to the housing place this morning, I got the same sodding response I always get, we’ll look into it.... these people are issuing threats and you’ll look into it....
I’ve had enough of it.... and to top if off I feel I won’t have a job at the end of the week...
LittleSpooky said on July 18, 2005 22:20:
Ally: Overwhelmed just a little, ain’t ya? Okay... take a deep breath (take several, they’re free).
Now, go stretch out on the bed face down, put your face in the pillow and SCREAM LIKE NOBODY’S BUSINESS!
After you’re done screaming (throw a few cuss words in there about the “parentage” of these kids), get up and flick on a movie on the telly or if you have a DVDRom in the computer, put it there. Pop some pop-corn, sit back and watch.
After that... well... it’s up to you. But I’d be investing in a sling shot and some pellets or small stones (find them on the ground) and takin myself out for a walk. Then fling them fuckers. Make sure there are OTHER people around when you do (the more on the street, the less likely you’ll be seen if you’re discreet)
Cheers
ncurran said on July 18, 2005 22:35:
Ally, do you keep a log of all the incidents that happen? It would be quite important to have a record of everything that has happened as a back up. You have to start playing dirty i think...get some evidence that the council cant ignore. If you could catch any of it on film or keep a dictaphone with you to record what happens when you go outside.
Also, maybe i’m way off mark here, but if you want to play really dirty, if that woman is a teacher she shouldnt really be acting like that in the community...how about a letter to the education dept, or even the school board/head teacher at the school she works at?
LittleSpooky said on July 19, 2005 01:17:
ncurran has a better idea ;o)
I’m one of those that if you push me too far, I do retaliate. Listen to him... not me *chuckles*
ally77 said on July 19, 2005 03:18:
Yeah I log everything, copies to the housing and I keep copies on a back up disc....
I feel the need to retaliate, in fact am tempted to invest in a baseball bat and let rip if that bitch comes within 10 meters of my face...
To top it all off.... I am now up with Alfie who keeps being sick and I need a vet but I am stranded.... the joy of living alone, roll on 9am....
LittleSpooky said on July 20, 2005 08:13:
This is gonna sound a bit different, but here goes:
Up here in SLC, we had (still have but the lady reporter retired about a year ago) a duo who did a column in the Salt Lake Tribune called “Rolly & Wells”. You wanted to stir shit up, you emailed them stuff (of course it had to be corroborated). Do you have anything like that there?
For example, you’d write Rolly & Wells with your story, you’d list the dates that you contacted the police / housing authority and what the responses (or lack thereof were) and so on down the line. Up here... that’d stir things up quite nicely.
Guess it’s time to take it to the press
ncurran said on July 20, 2005 09:41:
Ally, you should check out this webpage.
http://www.nfh.org.uk/resources/Articles/asbo/index.php
Have you checked with the police/council on the possibility of obtaining as ASBO (Anti-social behaviour order)?
And if the police/council are not willing to act, even though you have provided them with all the necessary info, maybe you should contact your MP to put some pressure on them. Like Littlespooky said as well, if you have a local paper in your area you could contact them, although there is no guarantee that they would run with it. Your MP would have a duty to at least look into your problem though
LittleSpooky said on July 20, 2005 14:58:
True... nothing’s for certain, but if she were here in Utah and submitted it to Paul Rolly, it’d make a 3 or 4 paragraph blurb in his column (especially if it’d been going on for an extended period of time, or multiple callings to whomever with little to no action done)
ally77 said on July 20, 2005 15:17:
@ ncurran, My MP is dealing with it, David Crausby.... he has been great since I first contacted him in May, he is only now the reason why the police have got involved and the housing association are suppose to be doing something but it still takes to long.
I wrote to my MP and David contacted the police, the housing and the anti-social behaviour unit at the town hall and within about 5 days the police visited us and we have been assigned ourt own officer, but the guy is so busy dealing with this sort of stuff over the town, that we don’t get a great deal of contact. The woman dealing with it at the housing is a real waste of space, and I had a go at her the other day as I felt they where just not taking it serious. There was a meeting planned over 4 weeks ago with the police and IV but it was cancelled because the lady from the anti-social place was sick, that meeting is due to take place tomorrow.
The people that live here are breaking the rules left right and centre that is written in the tenancy agreement and some of them have been for years, but they have just been allowed to get away with it.
One family there 11 year son set first to a JCB and the development stage 2 shortly after we moved in.... he’s 17 now, there has been more complaints made about his bahaviour in 6 years and they are still living there... it’s the family next to them that are also a problems and there stupid 13 year old daughter, and then there is another family from across the way with two children aged around 11 & 7. Other than that most of them are okay or are the kind of familes to come and go... these three have been here since the start.
For me I have tried to get out of here for 4 years and I am more desperate than ever for a move... I can argue with anyone in the street and will give as good as I get, except sometimes I open my gob a little too much, and now I might be jobless in the next couple of weeks (don’t ask!) but that’s something I deal with if it happens.... I shall be back in work tomorrow after a few days holiday and I need to speak with my employers....
I desperatly want my parents to move, but my mum is ill and don’t need the upheaval, but I fear for the safety of my parents with one of the families on here.... and if anyone lays one finger on my parents then they will know about it... so far so good I have remained calm and am not a person known to get into a fighting mood but I have come very close over this past couple of months, but it would just get me a criminal record....
ragdoll said on July 20, 2005 15:36:
Ally77...do you live with your parents?
Yeah, report that teacher lady to her employers. Glad to hear you are keeping a diary of events.
Kathrin said on July 20, 2005 20:49:
ALLY I feel the same with you cuz I have BAD BRATZ as Neighbors too Last weekend one of them drew some D’s on the walls of our entrance and they blamed it on us and that is not good! But my little bro found out which neighbor it was by talking to him about it!
Those little bratz also like to say bad stuff about that is not true and they also are violent in a way!
ally77 said on July 20, 2005 21:04:
@ Ragdoll, no I live alone, my parents are over the road, the events of Sunday night I heard from my living room, well I heard this parent shouting, I lauhhed to myself and thought to myself some kid is getting told off... that was till I looked out the window and saw this woman was having a go at my parents...
Personally I am surprised how calm I am remaining because what I like to do is take that 13 year old by the throat and sit on her till she suffocates! but you see I am a nice person..... but for how much longer....
Keeping fingers crossed for my house move!
ally77 said on July 21, 2005 19:28:
Neil, thanx for the site link, look what I found there...
http://www.nfh.org.uk/humour/Flash_Animations/nfh.php
ally77 said on October 12, 2005 19:16:
You know I am beginning to wonder if people are just really trying to wind me up.... I start looking at private rented houses, and everyone find my parents (namely my mother) finds problems with it, it’s too expensive bla bla...
I am sick it, they don’t want me to move to a dump, yet they know that’s about all I coujld find for my budget...
So I find a house today that is a great location, not too far from the old folk but located great for shops etc... and it’s a great little cottage really quiet just what I am looking for....
It’s not empty till tomorrow and I can view it next week inside which I WILL DO... but why do people keep trying to put me off moving house, why? I can understand my parents have got use to me living so close and I can even understand even part of me not wanting to move to far away... but they don’t see to understand that every little problem here with kids, makes me wanna scream...
So the question is do I keep listening to others or do I take the risk move to someone more expensive and try for once to be happy....
Why do so many people want to have a say.... I choose to ask them there opinion as they are my parents but it seems I am too ready at letting them rule my life....
Just as another example I found another house, a little cheaper than the one mentioned above which just so happened to be next door to where I use to live with my parents for 22 years - so yes I know the full history of the house, and moving there would have been bad as it would have ment going back in time and seeing the house I GAVE UP all those years ago...
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr if only one could win the lotto, all ones problems would be solved!
LittleSpooky said on October 12, 2005 21:23:
You want / need to move, screw everyone else’s opinion.
ally77 said on October 13, 2005 21:07:
I know... the point is I care to much for other people, when really I want to tell them where the hell they can really go....
LittleSpooky said on October 13, 2005 22:14:
Ally: If it’s any consolation, I just left a voice mail for my mom earlier today cussing her out because she hasn’t called my sister in law yet. There was a change in plans for Deer Hunt weekend (revolving around the fact that my dad’s an assbag and screwed up the trip, and rather than apologizing for the gaffe, telling my brother “better luck next year”). My mom won’t be needed to baby-sit my brother’s girls (too young to hunt), but my sister in law might want to get together with us anyway.
They live about 45 minutes away in Tooele, Utah, and with gas prices... we don’t drive out often (which is cool, they understand).
ally77 said on February 27, 2006 08:01:
Well I thought I would drag this up again….
I still live in hell and after no contact with the 13 year old girl since the incident last July – although she’s 14 now….. this was until she had a go last Thursday again, and it set me back 6 months… She is just on the bound to provoke me all the time into slapping her silly!
So the decision is made at last, I back down, I give up they have won I am going to move…. I am starting to look again and hope to be out of here in the next 2 months or so.
This place hold to many unhappy memories for me and to be honest has totally wrecked the past couple of years of my life living here, even if the housing place acted now and they are in the long drawn out process of doing something…. Too long in my opinion I have to many bad memories to live here anymore, so I am moving to start afresh somewhere else.
I’ve told my parents I am moving, its time to put me first as much as I love my mum and dad I am 28 years old and I can’t and refuse to put up with this crap anymore. I told them all kinds of shit last week which I think shocked them as to how I was really feeling but enough is enough; it’s time at last to move on.
I have tons of places to go this week and lots of stuff to chase up regarding support to move.
But one thing is or sure I will not let the people I rent from now, get away with how they have handled these issues, as far as I am concerned I have been fobbed off, lied to and the whole situation has gone on way to long, I am determined to see justice against them and teach them a lesson that they cannot treat people this way, they have a right as landlords to deal with these issues quicker than they have done.
I’ll keep you informed on how it goes…
LittleSpooky said on February 27, 2006 15:15:
Good on yas Ally.
I know what that’s like living under people who wouldn’t know a clue if it came up and bit them on the arse.
rox-kuryliw said on May 10, 2005 22:50:
what do you mean ally ?