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Do you download music?

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Vixzter said on November 29, 2004 07:04:

Don’t have time to buy cds? it takes about 5 mins online these days ;) you don’t have to visit a record store anymore as they’re always more exspensive anyway.

I download coz I spend my money elsewhere its as simple as that.

*goes off to do some online banking*

LaMan said on :

I think we all that think CD´s are too expensive should download. As long as people pay too high prices CD´s will never be cheaper.
But don´t dl Roxette of course!

harriej said on :

If it is music i like, I download it.
If it turns out to be as good as i hoped for, I might buy the album.
I want only original Roxette-albums, so I do buy them (not download). For other bands i am not that critical.

Jud (moderator) said on :

yes I download stuff - if I like it, I end up buying the album sooner or later as i like to have the booklet and all. What I don’t like is victim of the delete button ;)

I “discovered” Eskobar, Melissa Etheridge and some others using the p2p. I started listening to mp3s, ended up buying all of their albums :D Saving to buy Europe’s latest album now

Edit: With Melissa I even got her 2 live dvds + saw her live 2x ;)

roxlad said on :

I dl from P2P but as Judith said I only do it to preview the album. It’s like when you go to a record shop and hear the album before buying it which I think is fair. Because I dl foregn music mostly from Sweden but also from Russia and Poland, I can’t go to a shop so I dl and then if I like the album I buy the CD and delete the MP3’s...

girl7twenty7 said on :

Who doesn’t? :)
Downloading helps me understand if I like the artist. I can like only one or two someone’s songs so why I should buy whole albums? If I like music much I buy an album.
I’m with harriej in the point of Rox-albums :)

sweet_stalker57 said on :

just not black music ya fucken kook!

Jackeill said on :

okay, i’m downloading music. a lot of music.

i’ve got something about 60-70 gbs of mp3 already. i don’t think about it like about crime... price of cd in my country, this is the crime.

and also, i’ve got something about 200 cds, where maybe 10-15 are original.

RoxHard said on :

Wow... 15 out of 200 CDs? Not think that’s a bit too much?

I am really like the rest of you. I download to check what I like. If I like it - I buy.

My latest example of this is Cat Power. I seen her on Jools Holland once, and I was mesmerised. But, for like 2 years, I didn’t want to buy her album - in case it was rubbish. I downloaded around 15 tracks from her discography. I found I loved almost everyone of those songs - so I bought both her You Are Free and Moon Pix albums. My CD collection is constantly expanding due to downloading. I have around a 300-CD collection, and around 180 of these CDs were bought on the back of downloading...

But “why not just buy the CDs, and if you don’t like them - return them!” - I hear you say!
I don’t particularly have time to buy CDs I’m not sure about, and then having to return them. With the artists that I KNOW i’ll like (Roxette, Bjork, Garbage, R.E.M., Sheryl Crow) I buy their CDs - no questions asked. But, if I’m not sure - I don’t risk it, because I might not be able to go back to the CD store I bought the CDs from in the required time limit (my local HMV only allow 2 weeks from the time you buy them to return them).

The only “Copy” CDs in my collection, are self-made CDs consisting on B-Sides, I’m a B-Side-aholic! I have all known R.E.M., Alanis Morissette, Cardigans, Sheryl Crow, Garbage and Bjork B-Sides on CDs... so there! :p

per_mson said on :

Yep, I download everything. Music, films, games, programs. I do, however, buy the stuff if I think it is really good. So all those people saying that pirates are destroying so much I can say that I don’t destroy anything. I would never have bought it if I couldn’t have it and try it here first.

Vixzter said on :

Its a known fact that ppls who download are more likely to actualy go out and buy cds/games etc than someone who doesn’t.

eg: I will hopefuly buy tickets to go and see Green Day simply coz I’ve downloaded some of their stuff and liked it.

LaMan said on :

Vixz: tell that to record companies!!!!!!!!!!!

per_mson said on :

@vix: Yeah, tell them! Cause without downloading I would never own any of Blackmore’s Night’s album. Now I have the ALL and original!

Vixzter said on :

Record companies need an exscuse for making cds so exspensive so they blame it on all us naughty ppls who download.

Jud (moderator) said on :

indeed, I use the downloading as if I would go to the store and listen to the album there (I used to do that before, in the times when I still went to record shops :P) - so what, I download it, listen to it, if it’s crap, I delete it, why would I waste Hardisk space ;) If I like it, it’s placed in the “wanted list” and when it’s cheap (cd-wow or wherever), I buy it. I wouldn’t have bought it otherwise because I don’t like to run the risk of buying something that I will listen to only once IF!

This is like clothes or a car or some electronic device, you don’t buy (at least not me ;)) a pair of trousers without trying them and see they fit me/I like them on me. Or I won’t buy a car just because I like how it looks like, etc etc etc. So I don’t buy albums just because they have a nice cover or it’s THIS artist or whatever ;)

Oldag75 said on :

Artists do the work to compose and perform their music, and then record companies preserve it (tape or CD). An overwhelming number of artists (musicians, singers, actors) are liberal in their thinking, they believe everyone should have free health care and retirement and so forth, in the beautifully utopian European/Canadian fashion – meaning that it’s perfectly okay to take money from the people who work to earn it, and use that money for everyone’s medical care and retirement. Accordingly, under the same principle, every artist’s music, CDs, DVDs should be provided free to everyone – no one should be denied the right to hear music, see DVDs etc. All of their squealing about copyrights and intellectual property and so forth is a lot of rich artists merely wanting to get richer on the backs of poor CD and DVD buyers. Let all of these liberal rich artists practice what they preach, and make their music, movies etc available free to all of us. They certainly don’t want to be seen as wealthy hypocrites, do they?

Download free music and movies TODAY. If you buy those products, you’re just helping evil rich people get richer !!

StillFar said on :

Oldag...man, you’re a good example of how important it is to provide health care for everyone!

Oldag75 said on :

Whatever your profession/occupation is, you should do it for free – be compassionate, humane, altruistic, and simply give your products/services away to those who need or want them. That’s all we are asking of our artists, when we steal their music from the internet.

Vixzter said on :

Try before you buy.....like Judith said would you buy a pair of jeans that didn’t fit or suit you?

roxlad said on :

But there’s also people who dl music they like a lot, burn on CD and even print out the cover and then they do not buy the cd ’cos they have it already. Now I think that’s like going to a record shop, put a CD in your pocket and run away!

The best thing would be to have legal download sites where you can listen or dl songs in good quality (eg. 96Kbs or 64Kbs) but not full quality.

And before smb says that CDs are too expensive, I agree with that too, especially for students who don’t have an income. There’s no easy solution but stealing is not the answer I think.

Also.... the VAT on CD’s is exagereted, in Sweden is 25% in Italy 20% and so on.... it should be 4% like books. That’s politics to blame.

Now that I’ve said this I can relax and have a cup of tea....

per_mson said on :

About films on DVD:
Something I think is really sick is this region system we have on our DVDs. The dealers are not even allowed to sell DVDs from another region than the one you are living in. There are films/TV-serials that you can only get in one region and how should you get it without downloading it or pay ridiculous fees to our stupid governments?! I for instance wanted to buy the complete Monthy Python box (14 DVD). It is only released in region 1 and therefore I can’t buy it here. I found a nice internet shop (in Canada) on internet who had it. What will now happen if I buy it there. Well, when it arrives here I will first of all have to pay customs (3.5%), then VAT (25%) and then a fee to the company that handles the customs work (around 6-7 Euros). Is this really fair? I don’t think so!
Another thing I discovered with this DVD shop is that the DVDs you can actually get here is much more expensive than they are as region 1. An example is the upcoming DVD box of Lord Of the Rings - Return Of The King. That one costs approx. 23 Euros in Canada (postage included), but in Sweden I have to pay 47 Euros for the same thing.

So my conclusion is: No wonder why people are downloading so much.
I will at least not pay double the price for something just because I live in region two. So download it is... sad...

nancy_girl said on :

Who doesn’t?:) I too download music to find out if I like something or not, but I have to admit sometimes also random songs by artists I don’t particularly like and don’t want any of their albums or so.
Btw, what about bootlegs, live recordings etc. which aren’t released officially? I’ve got like a few hundred songs/vids especially of Placebo, just because there are so many :). Is that even illegal? I’ve got a hunch that it is, only I don’t see why...

Vixzter said on :

if music was cheaper maybe not so many ppls in the world would need Prozac? ;-) catch my drift?

Jud (moderator) said on :

LOL ain’t we a bit extremist, old? What does the health system in a country have to do with downloading cds? :)

Anyway, as I end up buying the CDs I like sooner or later, I don’t feel bad for downloading them before buying them. When I was younger I used to borrow LPs/MCs/CDs from friends and make copies and never bothered to buy the original anymore, I guess that’s worse ;)

Oldag75 said on :

It’s a matter of principle. The mindset which holds that it’s perfectly okay to steal music and movies from the internet – that such amenities should be free to all, that the artists who produced them need not be compensated – is the same mindset that views certain commodities (such as health care and retirement funding) as rights, as entitlements. It matters not that someone else has to labor to produce the funding for those benefits, because your right to be treated by a doctor or be paid a pension is seen as a free claim upon the work of others. This something-for-nothing mentality – theft is acceptable if I want/need the loot – is a cancer on every society in the world.

Vixzter said on :

Old: if you’ve never stolen anything in your life then i applaud you (please tell me you haven’t otheriwse ure views on this are slightly hypocritcal)
Its a wonder you lower yourself to mingle with us common thieves as you are obviously of a higher moral standard than we are. ;)

The point trying to be made is that ppls who download aren’t all theiving gits and they are more likely to actualy buy more cds/dvds/games whatever when trying something firstly by downloading.
Secoundly I’m all for musicians earning their fair share of what they’ve worked hard to produce (i’d like to see a bigger share went to the them than the record companies), after all its their job, but if cds were cheaper more ppls would buy them and so reducing the need for downloading and piracy. :P

StillFar said on :

Oldag: can’t see the connection between dowloading and health care. Thinking the way you do (which is a challenge btw) why do you accept free education...well, that’s it, I’m out protesting against an unwelcome “guest” and after that I’ll download the new U2 CD, cya

StillFar said on :

OK, have to say something else before I’m joining others in saying GO SOUTH, I’d just like to point out that if you take the time to do some research, you will see that there are a number of countries providing health care for everyone and a pension plan for everyone with a lower unemployment rate than the one of your country...but why should we really care about the guy who lost his job because of lay offs, isn’t covered by any health insurance and has cancer...his problem!

per_mson said on :

@stillfar: Well said!! :)

Oldag75 said on :

Why, exactly, does my unemployment and illness give me a right to have some of YOUR money?

ncurran said on :

oldag, because we live in a civilised society. I have no problem paying some of my earnings to those who cannot look after themselves.....and if i ever find myself in the same situation i can expect the same. There are also benefits with helping unemployed people for example. How would they survive if they didnt receive state help, and couldnt get a job? Crime figures would go through the roof

Jud (moderator) said on :

well and what we pay for the health care is a very small part of what we get back. The government gets interests out of this money = more revenue, this way they can pay for our treatments.

Just this year, I had some holes in my teeth done, had some massages for my back, 2 vaccunes (??) and mmm some medicine and visits to the doctor. If I had to pay this myself (or via a private health insurance) surely would be more than what I have payed for the health care.

Private health insurance for teeth only is > 120 Euro (with a limit amount per year), which is already what I pay to the state. Now sum up the other treatment/needs, around 40 Euro per general doctor visit, around 60 Euro/visit for a specialist at least, without counting special treatments, of course. And I am only 27 ;)

So yes, we do pay taxes and health care, but this doesn’t only go to those who have no job or retired but to ourselves! Taxes are used for our living-standard, who do you think pays the roads, repairs streets, sets up public transport (you don’t really believe that our daily use of public transport is paid with the 30-40 Euro we pay a month, do you?), etc etc. This all sums up to our living standard, even though we don’t realise it most of the times.

Oldag75 said on :

I have lots of needs in addition to health care and retirement. By your reasoning, those needs, too, give me some sort of claim to part of your money in our civilized society. Which of my various needs constitute a right to the produce of YOUR labor, and which do not? I’m not trying to be difficult – I just want some clarification on the reasons other folks must give me money to fulfill my needs.

StillFar said on :

why is education free in your country?

purplemedusa said on :

BTW. I think this discussion went waaay off-topic!!

Oldag75: I understand your views... very logical I might add, however everything you utter lacks one simple concept called “humanitarianism”. Are’nt you just a prime example of a Capatalist?

Oldag75 said on :

It’s not free. Primary and secondary education are funded by property taxes levied on the citizenry. Everyone living upon property of any nature (home, apartment, whatever) pays that education tax either directly or indirectly (via rentals). If the property owners don’t pay those taxes to their school districts, they ultimately must forfeit ownership of their property. Upper education is funded mostly by the students (or their parents) via tuition payments, and others obtain scholarships of some nature... which are funded by the members of organizations and other entities.

StillFar said on :

So your taxes finance the education of someone. That means in twenty years from now, assuming you won’t have any kids, your taxes will be spend on the education of someone else.

I guess some countries really stand united. There are some places where you don’t see as many people missing teeth, people using prehistoric wheelchairs, people not being able to finance an aids or cancer treatment...some people consider that a good thing.
Besides, you of all people should understand solidarity. Over the last year, your government spent a billion each day on ’freeing other people’ ;P and you’re alright with that.

Jud (moderator) said on :

I am talking about minimum needs everybody should have covered/access to! Those are health and being able to pay for food/a home when one gets old. Another one is education. I don’t know what your needs are, but we aren’t talking about the “I need a tv”.... and yes, somehow it’s fun to see how you are worried about paying the cancer treatment of your neighbour or friend or relative but on the other hand you are happy to pay for the freedom of a country that has nothing to do with American citizens/patriots (oh wait, the oil!) and why not, let’s extend it to the whole world (=translated means you don’t mind filling the pockets of the guys behind the weapon industry). Nice way of thinking. My government does fill in their pockets but at least we also get something out of our taxes ;)

per_mson said on :

Hmmm, wasn’t this a topic about downloading music?! ;-))

Oldag75 said on :

I need music in my life – and you have no way to verify that, since you can’t read my mind, so you simply have to take my word for it – and that need means that I must be allowed to download free music from the internet for free (because the benefits of my right to have my needs fulfilled must be given to me at no cost to me). Who cares if the artists get paid, so long as my need gets met?

Now, I also need a lawyer for a non-criminal matter. Since lawyers are absolutely essential (any lawyer will confirm that), shouldn’t legal services be provided to everyone completely free of charge?

Wait a second – let’s reorganize the world so that everyone gets his needs met for free! To each according to his needs! A system like that, certainly cannot fail. Wow, a country that tried that would have to put up walls with armed guards to keep everyone else out !!!

Vixzter said on :

a yes or no answer to the original topic of coversation would have done! ;)

purplemedusa said on :

“Wait a second – let’s reorganize the world so that everyone gets his needs met for free! To each according to his needs! A system like that, certainly cannot fail.”

Wow... now we seem to be getting somewhere! If everyone gives, who’ll be hungry?

Oldag75 said on :

Nowhere in the discussion of having my needs met (which is my right, because I exist) did I ever mention the word “give.” I only want to “get” my needs met – I want my free music and legal services. To me according to my needs.

purplemedusa said on :

And this discussion benifits you how exactly?

Vixzter said on :

If everyone worked for free..... no one would have to work at all ;)

purplemedusa said on :

Vixz now u just confusing urself!! *hands Vixz another pint*

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